tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post931946555533578129..comments2023-06-10T08:56:21.354-07:00Comments on Palin's Deceptions: I just want to find the truth...Audreyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00205515802929831178noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-6589079018110937402008-10-17T10:12:00.000-07:002008-10-17T10:12:00.000-07:00There's a virtual tour on the site; the birthi...There's a virtual tour on the site; the birthing rooms do look similar.<BR/><BR/>http://www.matsuregional.com/getpage.php?name=services_obstetrics&sub=Services#<BR/><BR/>Sandia BlancaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-8627277979842260152008-10-16T13:41:00.000-07:002008-10-16T13:41:00.000-07:00Audrey,Has anyone tried to compare the background ...Audrey,<BR/><BR/>Has anyone tried to compare the background (or the furniture) in the picture of Mercedes holding Trig with the actual rooms in the maternity ward of the Mat-Su hospital?<BR/><BR/>It would be interesting if you could establish that the picture was taken at a different hospital altogether.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-74470104393356795622008-10-16T11:05:00.000-07:002008-10-16T11:05:00.000-07:00Having worked in Labor and Delivery in a hospital ...Having worked in Labor and Delivery in a hospital setting for over 20 years, I can tell you with almost no hesitancy that he pictures of Mercedes Johnston and her "little brother Triggy-bear" are taken in a hospital birthing suite. The baby in the pics is a newborn,2-3 days old, and Sarah is definitely NOT in a post partum body!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-63279758792968121822008-10-15T07:16:00.000-07:002008-10-15T07:16:00.000-07:00A friend of a good friend of the Palin's from Wasi...A friend of a good friend of the Palin's from Wasilla, said that Bristol had a "meth" problem, and that this is common knowledge.<BR/><BR/>Maybe that can be factored into your theory and/or investigated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-47739540290145482452008-10-15T07:01:00.000-07:002008-10-15T07:01:00.000-07:00To the lawyers posting excellent points in this th...To the lawyers posting excellent points in this thread, may I add (as a non-lawyer) that it is important in any circumstantial case to consider all the possibilities from the available evidence.<BR/><BR/>I agree that the case against Sarah Palin being Trig's mother is very strong. The case of Bristol being Trig's mother is weak, however. It is greatly weakened if Bristol is, indeed, 6 months pregnant. We should know the truth of that issue soon enough. When Bristol gives birth to another Palin child, we can either rule her out as Trig's mother or we can't.<BR/><BR/>Once Baby 2 is born, we will rule out the possibilities 4-6 I outlined above, and perhaps also #2. That will only leave 1) and 3).<BR/><BR/>I'm patient enough to wait. If Bristol has a child her child in, say, February, then she might be the mother of both babies.<BR/><BR/>Whenever she gives birth, however, it does not rule out possibility #3. <BR/><BR/>Only documentation can confirm or rule out possibility #1.<BR/><BR/>DangerousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-72214954748184948342008-10-15T05:47:00.000-07:002008-10-15T05:47:00.000-07:00If you will forgive another follow-up (now that I'...If you will forgive another follow-up (now that I've figured out how to put a name up)....by stressing the nature of a powerful circumstantial case, I did not mean to underestimate the importance of what the civil litigator said. Audrey has not only presented an overwhelmingly powerful circumstantial case that Sarah Palin did not give birth to that baby (how hard a question is that for the McCain campaign: did your VP candidate give birth to a fifth child?), but consider the other traditional kinds of evidence one considers in trying to find the truth. For example:<BR/><BR/>(1) Who has a bias or motivation to lie about the identity of the child's birth mother? <BR/><BR/>(2) Does any party of central importance to this have a demonstrated history of lying/denying objective facts? <BR/><BR/>(3) Whose demeanor/statements/conduct is at odds with objectively-ascertainable facts? <BR/><BR/>(4) Whose demeanor/statements/conduct is at odds with basic common sense?<BR/><BR/>(5) Why in the world is everyone involved being so.....well......lawyerly? And how do you reconcile people's statements with what is known as a fact? Again, a small but telling example: if the doctor who attended the birth says she didn't give medical permission to Sarah Palin to fly to Alaska, and Sarah Palin herself says the same doctor "greenlighted" her trip, it seems to me there's a simple way to reconcile those statements, and to account for why they are both phrased in such a way. The doctor could have "greenlighted" the trip in the sense of saying, "Yes, you've probably got time to make it back by the time my patient gives birth." The doctor didn't need to give a "medical OK" to fly--or "medical" permission to do anything else, like travel in the first place--to her patient's mother. <BR/><BR/>Sure would be nice to be able to pose follow-up questions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-81926930159938725162008-10-15T03:57:00.000-07:002008-10-15T03:57:00.000-07:00I'm the veteran prosecutor, and just wanted to mak...I'm the veteran prosecutor, and just wanted to make clear that it is Audrey's concrete presentation in which I can find no holes. As the civil litigator will probably agree, cases are tried by measures of inclusion. In prosecuting a circumstantial criminal case (which cannot be faulted in the same way someone may go after eyewitness testimony, for bias or simple mistake), we build on measures of evidence consistent with guilt, and the case easily would fall if there is any measure of concrete evidence inconsistent with guilt. As Audrey has said, it would be so easy for the Palins to have provided (or provide even today) a decisive piece of evidence that is inconsistent with Bristol being the mother of the child. Instead, every incontestible piece of evidence (even putting aside every bizarrely shaded statement of the interested parties--like the mysteriously-disappeared doctor who of course wouldn't have needed to give "permission" to a woman who was not her patient to take a plane trip) has gone the other way. <BR/><BR/>I applaud Audrey's work, and echo her calls for civility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-49597489156908254782008-10-15T03:03:00.000-07:002008-10-15T03:03:00.000-07:00I still want someone to track down Sarah Palin's p...I still want someone to track down Sarah Palin's phone records from when she was in Texas. According to her story, she should have an outgoing call to Alaska around 4:00 am. My guess is that she received an incoming call from Alaska, at least initially.<BR/><BR/>Aren't cell phone records accessible to those who know how?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-29287628589971786272008-10-14T23:23:00.000-07:002008-10-14T23:23:00.000-07:00Trig could very easily have fetal alcohol syndrom....Trig could very easily have fetal alcohol syndrom. Gee....doesn't bristol drink alot?... <BR/><BR/>And yeah, at THIS point in time, forget about a damn birth certificate, put that whole family on maury povich (sp?) and let them DNA test the WHOLE family. <BR/><BR/>It has to be MORE than just a pregnancy that is being covered. It either is:<BR/>1. bristol's baby with FAS<BR/>2. bristol's baby with TOD as the dad. (would explain the downs)<BR/>3. willow's babyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-68767423511259248902008-10-14T22:58:00.000-07:002008-10-14T22:58:00.000-07:00Wonderfully clear statement again, Audrey. Well d...Wonderfully clear statement again, Audrey. Well done!<BR/><BR/>There would still be a problem if someone did come up with a birth certificate or some other singular piece of evidence. How would that explain away a very non-pregnant-looking Palin in the photos? I think we would not believe such 'evidence', not because we are all so biased and one-eyed, but because if any evidence is given as proof that Trig is Sarah's baby, it will have to be a bundle of evidence to answer a bundle of questions. One piece of evidence won't answer everything.<BR/><BR/>As an aside, I'd still like to know if Trig really does have Downs Syndrome and that it is not something else. Not being a medical person I am not aware of the possibilities.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Syd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-41707523843788675222008-10-14T22:45:00.000-07:002008-10-14T22:45:00.000-07:00http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2008/0...http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2008/09/22/080922crbo_books_lepore<BR/><BR/>The link above to a New Yorker article about the centuries-long refusal of historians to consider the evidence for Thomas Jefferson's relationship with a slave he owned, Sally Hemings, with whom he fathered six children, is relevant to the Sarah Palin pregnancy (non-)coverage.<BR/><BR/>Until DNA evidence removed all doubt of the Jefferson-Hemings family, generations of scholars discounted and ignored the evidence, and those scholars (and journalists) who did not were stigmatized. The scholar whose analysis was ultimately vindicated by the DNA research discussed this at a conference at the University of Virginia in 1999, as quoted in the New Yorker article:<BR/><BR/>"Perhaps the most persistent, and ultimately damaging, feature of the original debate over whether the relationship existed at all was the tight rein placed upon the historical imagination. One was simply not to let one’s mind wander too freely over the matter. Brainstorming, drawing reasonable inferences from actions, attempting to piece together a plausible view of the matter were shunted into the category of illegitimate speculation, as grave an offense as outright lying."<BR/><BR/>This is the same response that blogger Andrew Sullivan and others who've questioned Palin's pregnancy have received.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-58579767389082230672008-10-14T22:32:00.000-07:002008-10-14T22:32:00.000-07:00Re the statement by the veteran prosecutor, I am a...Re the statement by the veteran prosecutor, I am a veteran civil trial lawyer. <BR/><BR/>We are trained to look for holes in stories - things that don't make sense. Sarah Palin's story doesn't make sense. <BR/><BR/>We are also trained on how to spot liars - the nervous tics, the voice inflections and other indications that give them away. <BR/><BR/>To me, there seemed to be quite a bit of nervousness in Sarah Palin's voice in the video that you posted where she said that she never showed during pregnancy with Trig because she has such tight abs. To me, the inflection in her voice when she made that statement gave her away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-43009284312305563642008-10-14T22:27:00.000-07:002008-10-14T22:27:00.000-07:00Audrey, very well put. I've been impressed by your...Audrey, very well put. I've been impressed by your desire to stay as evidence-based as possible.<BR/><BR/>I am no SP fan, not by a long shot. But if someone, somewhere, were to come forward with real proof that Trig's birth happened just the way she said, more or less...who would dispute that? Or even if it was a situation in which she covered something up for her daughter out of a desire to spare her pain or heartache...well, it wouldn't make me vote for her, but at least it would make sense in a weird sort of way. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, there is nothing except silence from everyone who knows anything. This, combined with other fairly alarming details that are emerging--like Troopergate, to name but one--this is an example of who we want helping to lead our country?<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for this site. I hope that the comments from readers continue to stay as civil as they have been and not devolve into rudeness or insults. No matter whose child Trig his, he's a beautiful baby and hopefully a bright spot in his parents' lives.<BR/><BR/>Molten Contra (aka MC) PalinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-29881008365094151252008-10-14T21:32:00.000-07:002008-10-14T21:32:00.000-07:00Audrey...Well said, but honestly I don't doubt tha...Audrey...<BR/><BR/>Well said, but honestly I don't doubt that a friend would give you that kind of a statement to conceal the truth that we all know. The fact of the matter is that Palin's story just doesn't make sense, and until there's evidence that I believe clears it up (such as a sworn statement from the Dr., medical records, etc) I'm not going to believe any of her little friends, fake birth certificates, or other sources.<BR/><BR/>**Miss Lexstasy**Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-21351250546124323452008-10-14T21:26:00.000-07:002008-10-14T21:26:00.000-07:00Well said, again, Audrey. Your sensible tone and ...Well said, again, Audrey. Your sensible tone and content, and your careful reporting, again show that there are serious credible questions here - that the Palin campaign could easily answer and has not!PalinBaby Questionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11349480995909779962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4091845104881454109.post-55292042924678319152008-10-14T20:47:00.000-07:002008-10-14T20:47:00.000-07:00Audrey,You are exactly right, again. Sarah Palin's...Audrey,<BR/><BR/>You are exactly right, again. Sarah Palin's labor and delivery story is not credible on its face. <BR/><BR/>I challenge ANYONE to show me one other documented case where a women knew she was in labor, her water had broken on a fifth (or fourth or third) child, then travelled waited 20 hours, delivered a speech, flew 4000 miles and eight hours then drove to a remote hospital so that her friend non-OB/GYN doctor could deliver a triple-high-risk baby.<BR/><BR/>I didn't think so.<BR/><BR/>But I have been proposing the Willow-as-Trig's-mom theory to point out the central facts that any theory of the parentage of the two Palin babies (assuming there are two of them) must address:<BR/><BR/>There are three Palin women and two Palin babies. This leaves the following possibilities:<BR/><BR/>1) Sarah is mother of Baby 1; Bristol is mother of Baby 2.<BR/><BR/>2) Bristol is mother of Baby 1; Bristol is mother of Baby 2.<BR/><BR/>3) Willow is mother of Baby 1;<BR/>Bristol is mother of Baby 2.<BR/><BR/>4) Bristol is mother of Baby 1; there is no Baby 2.<BR/><BR/>5) Sarah is mother of Baby 1; there is no Baby 2.<BR/><BR/>6) Willow is mother of Baby 1; there is no Baby 2.<BR/><BR/>The Palins' official story is 1). <BR/><BR/>5) and 6) don't make any sense.<BR/><BR/>Most people have focused on possibilites 2) and 4). But we cannot rule out possibility 3).<BR/><BR/>That's all I'm saying. If anyone wants to challenge the logic of this, be my guest.<BR/><BR/>DangerousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com