If a picture is worth a thousand words then this graphic is worth ten thousand.
Amidst all the discussion over who Trig's mother may be, some of our readers have stepped forward to gently remind us that a crucial message may be lost in the debate - the one message upon which this blog was founded. That message: Given the evidence, it is highly, highly suspect that Sarah Palin gave birth to the Trig Palin.
So to prove that we are still on message, we would like to halt the debate over who Trig's mother is and observe a moment of silence as we reflect upon who is not. The debate, we are sure, will resume. And that is fine just so long as we don't lose sight of the original message.
A special thanks to long-time reader and contributor Way of Peace for this awesome graphic.
Update: In response to many requests, Way of Peace has provided an alternate graphic. Let us know what you think. (Remember, click on them to make them bigger.)
Second update: In response to many MORE requests, we've also prepared one with the "Nail in the Coffin" photo. (Also, I re-read my post on this photo just this morning. If you are new to the blog and have never seen it, you should read it. If you are not new, but have not looked at this in awhile, you need to read this post again - if I do say so myself.
A candidate to the second highest office in the United States lied about being pregnant. I strongly suspect she must have had help in maintaining the deception. The MSM's failure to pick up this story in December, after the discovery of this photo, is nothing short of a criminal failure to the American people.)
Update: In response to many requests, Way of Peace has provided an alternate graphic. Let us know what you think. (Remember, click on them to make them bigger.)
Second update: In response to many MORE requests, we've also prepared one with the "Nail in the Coffin" photo. (Also, I re-read my post on this photo just this morning. If you are new to the blog and have never seen it, you should read it. If you are not new, but have not looked at this in awhile, you need to read this post again - if I do say so myself.
A candidate to the second highest office in the United States lied about being pregnant. I strongly suspect she must have had help in maintaining the deception. The MSM's failure to pick up this story in December, after the discovery of this photo, is nothing short of a criminal failure to the American people.)
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 415 Newer› Newest»Is anyone else amused by Palin's decision to go travelling and make speeches...overseas....considering what she said in her resignation speech?
"And so as I thought about this announcement that I wouldn't run for re-election and what it means for Alaska, I thought about how much fun some governors have as lame ducks... travel around the state, to the Lower 48 (maybe), overseas on international trade - as so many politicians do. And then I thought - that's what's wrong - many just accept that lame duck status, hit the road, draw the paycheck, and "milk it"."
Milk it, baby, milk it.
I'm waiting to see is SP takes trig to hong kong. That would mean using his bc to get a passport. Poor kid, no school or travel.
Another thing that always bothered me is if Bristol was 5 months pregnant at the convention was how much time she spent carrying Trig. You would think her parents would have wanted her to take it easy.
Correction: Bristol having TriG might not have been covered by the Palin's insurance. Sarah may have needed to adopt TriG immediately to get him under her policy. But it's a stretch to think that Palin and Dr. CBJ filed claims for Sarah giving birth in order to pay for Bristol giving birth.
I say this because of a comment by an Anonymous at Palingates:
"On another angle, from personal family knowledge of having a dependent daughter get pregnant and have a baby while on parent's insurance, maternity care as well as care of the resulting baby from the pregnancy were specifically EXCLUDED conditions on the policy. Maternity care for the primary subscriber/spouse and the resulting infant covered, but NOT for subscriber's dependent children... However, adopted children adopted by the Primary Subscriber would have qualified for their medical expenses, I believe."
Earlier in this thread, there were questions about Lisa Demer. Both Lisa Demer and Michael Carey (the one in the video from the RNC who mentions the Trig rumors) are committed to the idea that the ADN has proved that Palin is Trig's mom. The ADN is standing by its reporting.
On another topic: four days until Levi's Vanity Fair article. My gut feeling is this will move the ball no further down the field. Why would he use his ace on a magazine article when he can sell a book?
From Levi @ Vanity Fair:
"Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret—nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn’t have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging—she wouldn’t give up. She would say, “So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn’t want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid."
No mention of whether this was Trig or Tripp. Bristol was 17 during some of the pregnancy and birth of Trig and at conception but not birth of Tripp. Tricky Levi!
Quoth Levi Johnston in the new issue of Vanity Fair:
Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret-nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn't have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging-she wouldn't give up. She would say, "So, are you gonna let me adopt him?" We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn't want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid.
Have you seen this?
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2009/09/levi-johnston.html
and..
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/things-that-make-you-go-hmmm-ctd.html
Levi says Palin wanted to adopt Bristol's baby. Game over? Is he talking about Tripp? Might he not know about Trig?
Either way, it's either the end or the beginning of the end.
Oh Audrey, you simply HAVE to come back and talk about this:
Levi Johnston on Vanity Fair:
Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret—nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn’t have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging—she wouldn’t give up. She would say, “So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn’t want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid.
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I am so convinced that he is talking about Trig here, not Tripp, and this so makes this whole situation so much more nauseating to me, in that now it looks as though Sarah may have pulled the rug out from under Bristol in March of 2008 and given the poor kid no choice but to give up that baby. It seems to me she took the choice away from Bristol and stole that baby from her, by announcing her own "pregnancy" and used her position as Governor to make it happen. I am so angry to think she may have done that....and I am convinced she could have done so despite Bristol's objections.
Please let us know what you think--you are so clear about reasoning though new info. I think just thinking through what it would mean that Sarah is begging them to give them Tripp when Trig is just a newborn.....and certainly by the time of the Rep. Conv. Sarah was perfectly willing to let Tripp be Bristol's and Levi's. It seems he HAS to be talking about Trig.
Excerpt from Levi's VF interview:
"Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret--nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn't have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging--she wouldn't give up. She would say, "So, are you gonna let me adopt him?" We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn't want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid."
.....where have we heard this before?
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2009/09/levi-johnston.html
HuffPo has this from Levi's VF piece, supposedly talking about TriPP, but a pregnant 17-year-old could be either baby. He more or less confirms what many of us believe is the TriG story: keep it a secret and she'll adopt the baby. Wonder what reason Sarah would have given for adopting an "unrelated" baby while caring for a DS infant as well?
"Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret--nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn't have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging--she wouldn't give up. She would say, "So, are you gonna let me adopt him?" We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn't want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid."
Guess I should have put this in the other post. Here's the full article. I'm reading it now: VF Levi Johnston article
Vanity Fair has posted a preview of Levi's article. Included is this quote from Levi on Sarah's plan to keep Bristol's pregnancy from damaging Sarah's career:
"Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret—nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him."
For more, see:
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2009/09/levi-johnston.html
Sorry for repeating what others posted already. No wonder the site is slow this morning--we were all trying to post the VF link at once!
We'll be hearing more name-calling from Sarah about Levi any minute now.
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/the_levi_johnston_story_unabridged_edition.php
Sarah would suggest THAT? Laws a mercy!!
Well, blow me down. I stand corrected.
HOLY CRAP!!! I hope his article is juicy enough for the media to focus on for a week -- the longer they focus the more likely stuff will come out!!
I hope your server is ready for more people who haven't heard the rumors yet...
Jennifer
Well there you go. Someone in a position of knowledge has started down the baby-switch path. Although, it regarding Tripp, not Trig. So, who will substanciate this? How will Levi prove this other than just saying so. Remember, this also contradicts what he said to Larry King earlier. So which is the lie?
Also curious: If you are going to reveal that Sarah was willing to cover for Bristol's pregnancy of Tripp, why not mention the next logical point by saying, "After all, Sarah had already successfully covered up the Trig birth and claimed him as her own child." I mean really, if you're gonna accuse her of a potential switch, why in the world would you not support your claim by referring to a prior "successful" switch?
He has already put himself, and his credibility, out there by calling her a potential baby conspirator. So why not go the extra few inches and refer to her fully-realized switch? Especially if Bristol was the common denominator for both births?
Not logical, in the least.
But, I'm willing to see what else Levi may have up his sleeve on this topic, or who else may now come out from under a rock to prove any potential proof (regarding either child).
Levi had to be referring to Trig because Tripp was born too soon to be able to say the same person gave birth to both of them. If it's not possible, supposedly, for Bristol to have had both, then it's not for Sarah either.
Regarding this quote:
"She would say, "So, are you gonna let me adopt him?" We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn't want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid."
She wanted to make Bristol look good, but let the RNC announce a pregnancy on the world stage? She's willing to adopt a baby to make her daughter look good- after giving birth to a high-needs baby? And she's parked herself the gods know where- her father doesn't- and left both babies behind?
Yeah. Try to make me believe he's talking about Tripp. Go ahead, just try.
" Sarah doesn’t cook, Todd doesn’t cook—the kids would do it all themselves: cook, clean, do the laundry, and get ready for school. Most of the time Bristol would help her youngest sister with her homework, and I’d barbecue chicken or steak on the grill. "
I know this isn't to do with the Trig/Tripp imbroglio, but I find it funny. So much for those long-simmered moose chilis and stews!
So, I had mentioned before a lady in my office who was pregnant with her second child.
She's a little taller than Palin, and a little heavier (not overweight at all, though), but she was HUGE and showed immediately with this child. When she was 4 months along there was no hiding it. She popped.
Well, today her water broke...in the office.
And like a sane person, she left immediately, headed home, picked up her suitcase, and her husband drove her to the hospital. It all took a little over an hour.
And EVERYONE in my office was so concerned about her, "Is she going to be okay?" "She has to get to the hospital soon!" "You don't have long after your water breaks!"
You know, normal reaction to someone's water breaking.
Not, "Oh, you flew for over 8 hours and didn't get to a hospital until almost 24 hours after your water broke? How brave!"
They actually thought she (my coworker) was stupid for even going home - thought she should have gone straight to the hospital.
The differences astound.
@Craig: It's important to remember that the online article at Vanity Fair is NOT the entire article, which will appear in the print version. The excerpts are meant to pique our interest (done!). At the least, we'll have to wait until the full article until we start questioning what, if anything, Levi leaves out (and why).
SARAH SLAP-DOWN!
thomas edsall @ HUFF-POST:
A major rift has emerged within the Republican Party. On one side: Ideologues who are inciting the base with wild rhetoric and banking on a "great American awakening" that will sweep conservatives back into power. On the other: Strategists, who see the party's growing intolerance as a prescription for minority status.
So far, the ideologues are winning.
"Nobody helps the cause when they use name-calling instead of substantial criticism," says strategist Charlie Black, a senior adviser to almost every Republican presidential campaign since Ronald Reagan first ran.
But name-calling and demagoguery are the hallmarks of the movement conservatives and media celebrities like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, who are increasingly being viewed as dominant forces in the modern GOP.
Palin's allegation that Obamacare would result in creation of government "death panels" has been widely criticized within her own party. Republican strategist Whit Ayres, who is no fan of the Democratic health care plan, noted: "Wildly inappropriate comments hurt the argument that the comments are supposed to support."
As early as last October, conservative New York Times columnist David Brooks called Palin "a fatal cancer on the Republican Party," and George F. Will, a voice of the Republican establishment, dismissed the former Alaska governor as "an inveterate simplifier."
She would say, “So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” Him? HIM? HIM?
As far as I have read, the only baby whose gender was said to be known before birth was Trig, due to the amnio. IF there was an amnio, as SP said there was.
these 2 other allegations are just as damning.
LEVI:
“The Palin house was much different from what many people expect of a normal family, even before she was nominated for vice president. There wasn’t much parenting in that house. Sarah doesn’t cook, Todd doesn’t cook—the kids would do it all themselves: cook, clean, do the laundry, and get ready for school. Most of the time Bristol would help her youngest sister with her homework, and I’d barbecue chicken or steak on the grill”
....
“Sarah was sad for a while. She walked around the house pouting. I had assumed she was going to go back to her job as governor, but a week or two after she got back she started talking about how nice it would be to quit and write a book or do a show and make “triple the money.” It was, to her, “not as hard.” She would blatantly say, “I want to just take this money and quit being governor.” She started to say it frequently, but she didn’t know how to do it. When she came home from work, it seemed like she was more and more stressed out.”
How could Levi mean that Sarah pondered pretending to be Tripp's Mom? That ploy would run afoul of the immediate 2nd conception problem that still hangs over the undocumented birthdate of Tripp. The ambiguity in Levi's account looks to be calculated. By whom, though? Vanity Fair or Levi?
Well, the story is finally as MSM as it can get. AP is repeating Levi's quotes in VF interview, including the fact that Sarah didn't want people to know that her 17 year old daughter was pregnant so she offered to adopt Levi & Bristol's expected baby.
Big discussions going on every where as to whether the quote was about Trig or Tripp. The AP article quotes the McCain campaign as issuing a statement that a pregnant Bristol, then 18, and Levi would marry. The statement was issued a week after Palin was named as VP candidate, according to AP.
By now, I have lost track of who was how old in relation to each pregnancy and these quotes. I thought that Bristol's birthday was October, meaning that she was 17. After October, she could legally marry without parental consent, when she turned 18. But the McCain campaign, one week after announcing Sarah as VP choice, said that Bristol was already 18. Huh?
As for 17 year old Bristol, she was 17 for much of the time that Trig was in utero. That might correspond to the time when Sarah made the adoption offer. Or, did she make the offer after he was born (Bristol would have been 17 in Spring, 2008).
At least the story is now getting more public attention than ever before. Finally!
GREAT CATCH CAROLINE! W O W!
Caroline said: Levi had to be referring to Trig because Tripp was born too soon to be able to say the same person gave birth to both of them. If it's not possible, supposedly, for Bristol to have had both, then it's not for Sarah either.
Caroline and Rebagg have it in a nutshell: SP wouldn't suggest faking being Tripp's mom, because the date span from Trig's "birthdate" would call HIS parentage into question. So, this "we'll adopt" was definitely about Trig Van Paxson Palin. This IS the smoking gun.
Whether or not Levi knew what he was revealing when he said this, or whether he was just being "whoops, did I say that?", we'll probably never know. But I have no doubt that VF knew exactly what it revealed; they can do 2 + 2 = 4 just as well as we can.
And, I do believe this explains the gap between Trig's real birthdate and his announced birthdate. Yes, Sarah pressed them and pressed them to adopt, while Bristol was tucked away at her aunt's. And then the baby came ... with DS. Bingo, family conference, "we have the means, you're young, etc." and it was decided. So, Sarah announces her pregnancy (shortest one on record) and "gives birth" on 4/18.
This account by Levi explains just about everything.
Was watching the Ed Show on MSNBC. Wasn't able to capture it for the computer, but here are some of the quotes from the VF article. They're different than what has already been shown:
*Ed quoting from article says that Levi never saw Sarah pick up a fishing pole.
*Guest was Lionel--some sort of radio show host. Says she doesn't fish or hunt, no gutting of animal--field dressed a moose.
*They talk about the adoption of the child.
*Ed says she's a phony (well, we all knew that lol)
*Worried people might begin to feel sorry for her.
Quote from VF:
"She says she goes hunting and lives off animal meat-I've never seen it. I've never seen her touch a fishing pole. She had a gun in her bedroom and one day she asked me to show her how to shoot it. I asked her what kind of gun it was, and she said she didn't know, because it was in a box under her bed."
*Mentions that Levi doesn't have an ax to grind (said sarcastically)
*Ed wants to know why he's doing this to the grandmother of his child. Lionel & Ed both agree it's to do with $$$$. (well, of course. He has to be able to support both his kids, and he can't get a job in Wasilla, probably, and probably in all of Alaska. So take those 15 mins of fame, and use it to his advantage. Go Levi!
more TOXIC dirt from the VF but posted somewhere else. i got this from IM:
"Anonymous said... The following excerpt from the VF piece can be found at the link below:
'The Palins didn¹t have dinner together and they didn't talk much as a family. Throughout the years I spent with them, when Sarah got home from her office--almost never later than five and sometimes as early as noon--she usually walked in the door, said hello, and then disappeared into her bedroom, where she would hang out. Sometimes she'd take an hour-long bath. Other times she sat on the living-room couch...watching house shows and wedding shows on TV. She always wanted things and she wanted other people to get them for her. If she wanted a movie, Bristol and I would go to the video store; if she wanted food, we¹d get her something to eat, like a Crunchwrap Supreme from Taco Bell. She'd try to bribe everyone to clean the house, or give us guilt trips. She used to make Bristol feel bad by telling her that she did everything for her. This was unfair because, even before the campaign, Bristol was already the mom in the house, and she got tired of having to take care of her siblings.'
http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/the_levi_johnston_story_unabridged_edition.php
"This shows a concern for Bristol and a tale of the kind of person that we've come to know with regards to Sarah Palin. Selfish, lazy and willing to use anyone and everyone in any way if it benefits her."
So we're supposed to believe that Sarah had a baby and two weeks later (or so) found out her daughter was pregnant and said, "let me adopt your baby" and be governor and be on the radar for VP. Nope. Don't buy it. This is the break we've been waiting for, folks, you betcha! ;)
Jennifer
*disclaimer timelines based only on what we've been "sold".
Yup and more yup JJ, Nilap and Ivyfree.Teaser version-Darn-now I am gonna have to have a lower 48 relative get the print issue and mail it by snail mail to Alaska.
Levi also says how she is not the saracuda out in the woods as the McCain campaign alleged...field dress my butt while in Oz land red pumps and tug on a set net full of salmon with press on nails! Yah and whip up a 3 hour moose stew after a long day at the helm of Alaska.
I suspected as much. Also, a couple of those tv clips showed sandwich making and deli bag kind of items. Never figured she was a motherly type cookin up a storm in the kitchen for her ever expanding brood.And Piper (Bristol) does the nurturing of Trig.
Yeah, good point about why is a supposingly 5 month pregnant Bristol having to lug around a baby on the Get To Know The All American Palin clan on RNC convention stage.
The only thing Palin cooked up was this hoax to cover up the fecund situations Bristol put the family in. H.Honey-Palin makes so many Freudian slips it makes a case study.
Kudos for Audrey and Team Truther for a year of hard work...the damn lies are leaking now. So far Levi is still authentic-got in over his head and has to hold back either for some legal entanglement agreement or waiting for justified financial gain. Let's not forget he and Bristol were just kids when all this was going down-even before us Alaskans really knew what Scarah was capable of.
Also, Alaska magazine always prints a blurb about 'Real Alaskans...' in this case don't glorify in the false limelight and brag like she does.
Keith O: "S.P. thought she was gonna be her own grandson's mother." Watch the late night comedy shows tonight!
On bush radio we have to hear the 1950s classic..."I'm my own Grandpa." This song reminds me of what Sarah did to her family and image of Wasilla. As it starts to blow back in her face-if I was her, I'd go far, far away myself-South Pole sounds good and far from here.
It appears the issue is on sale already in NY and LA. Anyone here live in either place and able to get a copy? I don't know if I can wait until the 8th...
Jennifer
I was just reading Gryphen. He added a comment that Levi's discussion refers to Tripp (T2 - Thanks LA in SF), not,repeat, not Trigg (T1). And that "what most people think they know about Tripp's birth is wrong." Puts a new light on Audrey's post The Cornerstone: Q&A, where Audrey discusses how she can't make sense of the progress of Bristol's pregnancy with T2.
So, what legerdemain was going on while Bristol was "pregnant" with T2?
Oh, geez, look at the 5th bullet here.
Caroline,
You're right that Sarah couldn't claim to have had both babies 8 months apart. But she could have been offering to adopt the baby publicly (and hope people didn't figure out that she was actually related to the baby) rather than fake another pregnancy.
And mlewis, you are right that Bristol turned 18 last October, so she would have been 17 for the majority of both pregnancies. The McCain campaign misstated her age.
Audrey - you must be working on a post about Levi, and I can't wait to read it!
WV: pluton - as in SP must be a Pluton, because she can't be from this planet.
Or: Levi's story is Plutonium!
WTF? from AMY1, WAPO link:
Sarah Palin seemed to dote more on her new grandson, Tripp, than on her own infant, Trig. "Sarah has a weird sense of humor.
... Sarah would call Trig -- who was born with Down syndrome -- 'my little Down's baby.'
... and sometimes say, playing around, 'No, I don't want the retarded baby -- I want the other one,' and pick up Tripp. That was just her -- even her kids were used to it."
_____
wow, TRULY SAD for the PALIN kids. she might just be MUCH worse than we ever suspected!
again , while the let-me-adopt-the-baby caught our attention first; these other comments are devastating!
I think the comments about her not wanting the retarded one are horrible!! In my opinion, they should never have been reported by VF. There are plenty of ways to destroy SP's character without hurting Trig's feelings down the road, or any mentally challenged child who may hear that and think his or her mom thinks that of them. Shame on SP if she said it; and shame on VF for printing that.
Jennifer
OT for the moment, but had to send this in: my wv is ==>quity<==
herkimer
Levi Johnston was Kathy Griffin's Teen Choice date? Sarah Palin must be fuming! - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2009/08/levi-johnston-was-kathy-griffins-teen-choice-date-sarah-palin-must-be-fuming.html or http://tinyurl.com/mhd7ld
Who was that handsome dark-haired young man Kathy Griffin brought to the Teen Choice Awards?
A new up-and-coming actor?
Um, no. That would be Levi Johnston, Bristol Palin's baby daddy, who was in town for a Vanity Fair shoot, no doubt to accompany his tell-all story on Sarah Palin. And he probably had some meetings about that rumored reality TV show.
Looks like he's already made it on Kathy's D-List!
Griffin made like they were a real couple.
"Long-distance relationships are not easy, especially when he's in his igloo and I'm in my Hollywood tower," she toid reporters.
Asked what it's like being Griffin's date, Levi just grinned, "I just, you know, look at her, shut up and do what I'm told."
Kinda like what Todd Palin does with Sarah...
The Levi Johnston Story, Unabridged Edition http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/the_levi_johnston_story_unabridged_edition.php or http://tinyurl.com/lk9onq
From the VF quotes I've seen,
Levi does not say Sarah suggested
that she fake TriPP's pregnancy, just that she adopt him. She might have a problem explaining that adoption (another child to play with TriG?) but she wouldn't have the problem of two kids too close together for one bio-mom.
Levi uses Sarah's horrible reference to TriG as "retarded" as an example of her "weird sense of humor." He's saying she was trying to be funny at the expense of her child, not that she said it seriously. Of course, it is not funny and not what a loving mom would say.
Olberman talks about $arah Palin
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/32665934#32665934
When I take a step back from the latest Levi-inspired frenzy around SP, I'm wondering more and more about his motivation. Yeah, we get the obvious resentment about being dragged onto the national stage, and then having trouble seeing his kid(s), who he now apparently sees. And then there's the lure of $$. But I still think there's more to it. Why is he risking more difficulties over his relationship with his son(s)?
I think back to the story of Todd pulling a gun on him. Never heard why, but I'm wondering if SP and Levi got a little too close under that Wasilla roof. And Levi ended up humiliated and as angry as a kid like him could get. How to express it when you're not very expressive? Pen, paper, and editors who probably said, "That's good, but what else?" "That's not enough, anything more?" I'm totally on the fence about believing him or not if his humiliation runs deep.
"Levi uses Sarah's horrible reference to TriG as "retarded" as an example of her "weird sense of humor." He's saying she was trying to be funny at the expense of her child, not that she said it seriously. Of course, it is not funny and not what a loving mom would say."
It's not what a decent human being would say. It's not what a decent human being would even think consciously.
Incidentally, I don't blame VF or Levi for reporting this. IMO, reporting is considerably less disgraceful than actually saying such a thing. Talk about shooting the messenger! The blame for all of this lies firmly on Sarah.
It would be nice if Audrey or one of the moderators would check in and let us know if something is happening behind the scenes. In light of recent revelations, things seem muddier than ever. I had been looking at the latest pics posted here and at Palingates (especially the video of the MTV/JLo and late at night hand wrote a long post because I had already logged off my laptop. I did not post it the next day, then when I went to bed that night I had an epiphany. I was actually angry that we were constantly looking at all this "evidence" when from the first, the pics of SP in February, March, early April, then the late release of the Gusty picture made me realize, that there is no way one's appearance could naturally change so radically plus there is no way one could look like she did in the Gusty picture and not have flight attendants, fellow passengers (even IF she were allowed on the plane) fawing all over her, making sure she was comfortable, etc. She just was not pregnant in 2007/08! So I would like to know if I am totally off base or still right and there are things happening that will eventually reveal the WHOLE truth.
Daisydem: I made the same journey you describe, coming finally to the bedrock point of looking at the photos and seeing that SP being pregnant with Trig was impossible. What the other gazillion details are -- I don't care.
She lied, she hoaxed us, she used her hoax to promote her pro-life stance, she did her holier-than-thou talk about "choosing life," and now she mocks and rejects Trig with the r-word.
All these other details that will eventually fall into place are not as important as the basic fact: LIAR. Unfit for office. Neither MSM nor McCain told us the truth either. It begins and ends there for me.
"When a magazine offered six figures to be at the hospital when Bristol gave birth, she said yes at first but then told us not to do it." -Levi in VF
If there were no baby, or if Sarah knew she was going to lie about his birthdate, would she ever have said yes to the magazine?
Maybe this means the offer was made to Bristol and Levi and she was just giving them permission to say yes. Then she decided she might need to fudge the birthdate and told them to say no. ??
MEL,
my sense is that this is PAYBACK for what may have happened to his mother; she might have been set up or abused in some way due to SARAH's power base.
also, REX and TANK (her mom's attorney and LEVY's bodyguard respectively) know a lot about the MUCK in WASILLA. which leads me to believe they are the brain behind LEVY's media maneuvers.
having said, i DO NOT discount your speculation.
all we can assume is that the deception / corruption may be a lot worse than we've imagined.
I'm sure there will be a post about Levi's Vanity Fair piece.
But I think Levi dropped a bomb that no one has picked up on yet.
That Sarah wanted to adopt the baby (the unborn Tripp) after it was born so no one needed to know that Bristol had been pregnant.
Now was Sarah going to pretend the baby was hers? Or would this be just some random adoption just because they love babies?
If it's the former, maybe Levi is hinting at something that will come out in his actual book?
Well said Amy1. The bottom line for me on pro-life is that if you can, if there are not circumstances that keep one from safely carrying a fetus to term, then taking proper care of that child or making arrangements for it to be so, I say choose life. But I cannot see bringing any child into this world to be abused. Neglect is a form of abuse. So is ridicule and shame. Child abuse, people abuse and animal abuse are sensitive topics for me. I abhor abuse! I keep thinking of SP's response to reporters, etc. when first disclosing her daughter's pregnancy (with Tripp): "well she is a strong girl" I believe she said. There seemed to be no empathy, no softening of the comments regarding the situation and the future for her, little regard for her daughter's comfort. Offering her services as a babysitter, I mean how insensitive is that? on her 18th birthday, when she is pregnant? I think there may be some serious implications if Levi's observations are accurately reported, even in part. This is all so sad.
Levi's Vanity Fair piece is bewildering. Keeping the pregnancy a secret and having Sarah adopt makes sense only for theTrig pregnancy -- But Levi specifically says in the VF piece that Trig is Sarah's baby: "Sarah hadn't told us she was pregnant with Trig until about a day or two before she announced it to the media, when she was already seven months pregnant. We saw her getting a little bigger, but she tried to hide it...Sarah finally came out and said she was pregnant. I was at the hospital when Sarah had the baby at a little after six A.M. April 18, 2008, two weeks before we told her we were pregnant." Huh??
I'm still defending Levi as I have from his first interview, caught in his truck, in which he seemed a gent to me.
I think Levi is angry that Bristol is/was treated so poorly, still loves her and her babies, would like to support them, and (thanks to the guidance of Rex) knows that "bring money" is Job 1. So he is working hard to make this media circus end up with enough for "his family," as he said.
Defending Bristol against some kind of Palin family abuse could be a reason Todd would take a gun to him.
If Bristol is the Mom of T1, the pain of giving him up to SP and to this hoax is beyond my imagination. I could see Levi sympathizing with Bristol re that, whether or not he is the bio-Dad.
Getting a little humiliation in at SP for his mother's plight also makes sense if SP had anything to do with it. Or if she failed to do something to call it off.
Something happened to turn Mercede off to the Palins, so maybe there's room for a little payback there.
I think Levi could have done far, far worse in all these appearances, considering his position. The fine hand of Lawyer Rex is so clear in the astuteness of all the moves, but Levi gets BIG points for following instructions well. Not everyone does. Look at SP!
Daisydem: Thank you, but I forgot one thing: How many vile, lying politicians can anyone name who have enmeshed their CHILDREN into their political lies, and their political lies into their children! I can think of none so despiciable as our dear SP on this one point alone.
Part II:
- Levi talks about the tensions between Sarah and Todd ("they don't speak, but when they do it's fighting" etc etc). He mentions that in the time "[he] and Bristol were together, I never saw them sleep in the same bedroom. (I don't know how she got pregnant.) Even at the Republican National convention they slept in different bedrooms at opposite ends of the suite..." (and so on and so forth).
Yep, he actually said that. Levi, we are wondering the same thing!
- Levi was getting "Bristol" tattooed on his finger in early August, after he proposed to her in July but before the nomination. According to Levi, this is when Bristol received the phone call from Sarah Palin first suggesting adoption. [[Remember that picture on the Tyra Banks show of Levi holding newborn Trig? I'm curious if we can see whether his hand doesn't have the tattoo.]]
Levi's account of telling the Palins about Bristol's pregnancy with Tripp:
It takes a lot to make Sarah Palin cry, but I've seen her cry a few times - once was when Bristol and I told her that we were pregnant, on May 4, 2008, the day after my 18th birthday. When Bristol had told me she was pregnant four days earlier, I immediately ran upstairs and told my mom, Sherry, and then I called my younger sister Sadie, 17, on her cell phone. They were both excited. Coincidentally, there had been a big rumor going around Wasilla that Bristol was pregnant even before she actually was, and Sarah had recently denied it was true. When we told Sarah the news, the first thing that came out of her mouth was "I just told everyone on TV that you weren't pregnant. So how are you pregnant now?" Then Sarah started laughing because she didn't believe us. Finally, Bristol's friend, who was breaking the news with us, said, "she's being serious." So Sarah said she was going to get Todd, who walked in looking like he was going to rip my head off. I was ready for an ass whooping." He goes on to say that they then all sat down in the living room and Sarah and Todd began to pressure them to get married.
The following is the paragraph following the "adoption snippet":
"It shouldn't have been a surprise that she wanted to keep it a secret. Sarah hadn't told us she was pregnant with Trig until about a day or two before she announced it to the media, when she was already seven months pregnant. We saw her getting a little bigger but she tried to hide it. When we asked her "You're pregnant, aren't you?" she denied it. Finally, one day Willow was going through things in Sarah's room and stumbled across a pregnancy test and said, "Mom, what's this?" Sarah finally came out and said she was pregnant. I was at the hospital when Sarah had the baby at a little after six A.M. on April 18, 2008, two weeks before we told her we were pregnant. He was given the name Trig Paxon Van Palin because Paxon was Todd's favorite place to snow-machine in Alaska, and because of the rock band Van Halen" .
A couple of thoughts:
- I find it a little strange that Willow would find her mother's pregnancy test. Although, it must have been an unused one, right? Who would keep a used pregnancy test for 7 months?
- There are a couple additional instances (Tripp's birthday) where Levi states very exact dates and times for events. If he's lying about these now, he will have blown what credibility he has left if he changes his story.
One more comment on the adoption bit:
- As others have pointed out, it's possible that Sarah would have spun it as a simple adoption (no fake pregnancy, etc). But how likely would it have been for everyone to shrug their shoulders and say "ok, whatever" to this explanation? Especially since rumors would inevitably fly (as they already have) about Bristol?
- If Tripp is indeed the baby in question, and assuming Palin knew in early May she might be nominated, Bristol would still have to be cloistered away somewhere during the whole campaign to hide the pregnancy. What would have happened if the election had turned out differently? Bristol would have given birth and Palin either would have had to adopt a newborn baby right before being sworn in as VP (riiiight), or they would have needed to find an alternate adoptive family.
Mel, you wonder what Levi's motivations might be. It's a long list. First, imagine the look on any teen aged boy being told that the gal he was partying with is now pregnant. I guessing it is something like sheer panic. There has to be a point where parents step in and ask the most obvious question, "How do you know it's yours?" Followed by, "What are you guys going to do?"
Levi has a pretty fancy lawyer. I would hope that he had DNA tests done for any & all of Levi's possible son(s). He could have been set up. Just saying.
Then, he is rushed into the campaign, dressed in fancy clothes, told not to talk to the press. Back home, the computers in his house were scrubbed. Strangers answered the door, pretending to be a Johnston family friend, and in reality- a McCain staffer. His entire life was disrupted, and he didn't get to keep the nice clothes.
So, let's assume that he made peace with the situation. We know that he was living at the Palin house before Tripp was born. How common is that? I know, I'm old fashioned, but why not get married before the child was born? Maybe that's what Levi was thinking. Things changed very quickly after that. Whether it was Sarah manipulating Bristol, or Bristol, someone told him the wedding was off, just when he was getting used to the idea of loving and supporting his kid(s). That's alot for a teenager to deal with.
The business with his mother didn't help at all. Everything around Sherri's arrest is suspicious, and I don't want to complicate anything going on in Alaska in regard to her case. Her situation is trouble for him.
Add the beautiful touching pictures of Levi holding new born Trig, kissing him at the convention, getting involved in special needs kids programs, and then having that taken away.
The only thing that is a little sad about Levi (and his promoters) is that he dreams of being an actor and/or model. Yes, he's good looking, but I think that there is a little bit more to the work than just being a cute guy. He needs to complete high school, maybe a technical school which will train him to earn a good living. Hopefully, his book will pay the way for a good education and a fresh start. The Palins appear to have thrown him under the bus along with all the others they use and lose. Is that enough motivation?
Maybe she can enroll in the Fish and Game's "Becoming an Alaskan Outdoorwoman" workshop. Just because Papa woke ya all up at 5 am to shoot some grouse or watch as he sets some rabbit snares...doesn't make you even a runner up for Ms. Macha Hunter of el Norte(sp). Always like the hunter trophy pose with her young daughter. Not to forget the Griz Bear PROP sofa cover in Gov. office-which I believe was lent by Papa Bear, not her.
"...my baby...my infant..." once you adopt-this is a right term. Heck, I even used it for almost four years when I was a Foster Mom to a family infant. Yup, she had some abs to trot into work some 3 days later. Jumped on the exercise bike and had herself a tanning bed session...no time to catch up on Gov. biz-leave that to Special Advisor Todd.
Hello, somewhere, Audrey-be safe and well. All missing you this week. Keep up the Good Fight and don't let the B...get you down. The flys on the wall are finally buzzin.
Willow finds a pregnancy test? Trig born at 6 am April 18th? Bristol and Levi pregnant with Tripp on May 4th?
Levi directly refutes what this website believes to be true. He's not vague at all, listing specific dates and times. So either he's lying, for some reason, or he's telling the truth. If so, where does that leave us?
That Levi gives such definite dates and details for TriG's birth and for telling Sarah about TriPP suggests that those are rehearsed.
While having Levi say stuff we know is false does diminish the value of his other revelations, I believe the falsehoods are purely a message to Sarah: "I am telling some but not telling all -- yet." He may be negotiating for her to pay him and his family not to write a book.
While the VF article doesn't reveal Babygate, it does reveal that Sarah is a phony. Phony family values, phony truthteller, phony hardworker and "servant's heart" -- phony most things and especially phony advocate for special needs children.
I used to think Palin was not ready for prime time but could get ready when given the chance. While I disgree with her political positions, I thought she was probably smart and capable enough to do better. Most moms are more capable than they get credit for. Now I see there is no there there.
Here's an outcome: Levi makes big bucks. Levi and Bristol reconcile. They lovingly raise TriG, TriPP, and Piper, with the help that money can bring. When all the kids are in school, they increase their focus on their own education and careers. Maybe they don't stay together, but they handle it and other hurdles like adults. Which is more than I can say for Sarah.
wv is "bling." Glamour w/out substance. That sounds like Sarah.
Thx, Also@5:15. I'm having trouble integrating that account with this account from one year ago.
I have been reading the second hand reports of the Vanity Fair Levi article here. I am surprised by Levi's recollection of exact times and dates. I don't think that Levi kept a journal, and it does sound a little like he is being scripted. Do all teen aged boys remember that kind of stuff, really? If I ask my husband exactly when his own children were born (and he was there), the best that he would remember is "sometime in the afternoon, right?"
I am also trying to square Levi's account of telling Sarah that he & Bristol were pregnant right after Sarah "had" Trig. Bristol's account was that it was the hardest thing to do, harder than labor (her words in her interview with Greta).
Let's try to imagine what things were like in the Palin house that early summer, just last year. It was so hard to tell that Bristol's friend had to spit out the news. Sarah was so happy that she suggested adopting that baby. Bristol and Levi planned on getting married. She gave him a ring (which he lost while hunting). He tattooed Brisol's name on his ring finger, and in the face of these serious steps, Sarah wants to adopt their baby. Sarah also wants to run for Vice President. Was she going to tell us that the stork just left that baby on the White House steps?? That would have been such a problem during the campaign, especially since rumors of Bristol's pregnancy (pregnancies) were already floating around, denied, confirmed, whatever. She would have had to send Bristol away to Michigan, like Track to hide her. It just does not make any sense.
The story that makes sense to me is that Sarah just had one tough time covering Bristol's pregnancy (with Trig). Sarah is eyeing the nomination, there is an unwed teenage mother complicating her family values stand, and they can't even put the baby up for adoption when DS is discovered. I imagine that the situation was more like, "I just finished covering up for you with the greatest acting job of my life, and you do this to me! I'm this close to the big-time!" I think that is the thinking behind Sarah's brutal act of throwing Bristol under the campaign bus last year. No mother would publicly humiliate her daughter like that; she was really mad at Bristol (as Levi's article stated).
If I have to make up imaginary conversations between Bristol & Sarah, I'd add, "You gave up that baby. You wanted another baby? Well, here's your bundle of joy. You can just take care of both of them if you love them that much!"
It also does not make any sense that Willow noticed that Trig had DS, or that Willow found the hidden pregnancy test. Why don't they just add that Willow was the pregnancy coach and delivered the babies as well. Or maybe Piper (a little snark here).
Remember the saying about the knock off designer handbags that sell for $15., if the price is too good to be true, it's too good to be true. I think that Levi's story carries some amount of truth in it, but some parts are too good to be true.
Amy1 said...September 2, 2009 2:08 PM “She would say, 'So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” Him? HIM? HIM?' As far as I have read, the only baby whose gender was said to be known before birth was Trig, due to the amnio. IF there was an amnio, as SP said there was."
Excellent catch, Amy1, I hadn't noticed that -- and I'm the one over @ IM who was telling people to follow the bread crumbs Levi was leaving in this article!
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kjgrandma, in your comment September 3, 2009 3:58 PM, quoting Levi's story, you said: "...Levi specifically says in the VF piece that Trig is Sarah's baby."
Not really. In the following excerpt, which also appears in your comment, he says SARAH said she was pregnant (not that she showed them her bare pregnant belly)...that she was getting a little bigger (but I'm sure he never saw her put the fake belly on))...and then he says, "I was at the hospital when Sarah had the baby at a little after six A.M. April 18, 2008, two weeks before we told her we were pregnant."
Think about that statement, which is full of bread crumbs. Why would the boyfriend of Palin's first daughter, an avowed redneck kid more interested in fishing, hunting, and hockey, accept doing girly-man things like hanging around a hospital waiting room -- unless it was HIS GIRLFRIEND having the baby?
In what alternate universe would this kid rattle off the birth time and date of "the baby"? And why would he carefully refer to the birth of Trig without actually saying "Sarah GAVE BIRTH" to the baby, instead saying "Sarah HAD the baby" (what wasn't said: "handed to her as adoptive mother after the baby had undergone a couple of months of NICU care for his heart problems, his jaundice, his feeding issues, and his prematurity")
Lastly, there's ...April 18, 2008, two weeks before we told her we were pregnant."
Wow. Here's this same redneck hunky kid actually KNOWING by the end of April 2008 that his girlfriend is pregnant (again). One would assume, then, that Bristol had just done a home pregnancy test after missing a menstrual period (or perhaps never even seeing one after the early-2008 birth of her first baby) -- which would mean that she was actually IMPREGNATED in early April, or even late March. Nine months after that is -- ta, da!! -- late December 2008!
"We saw her getting a little bigger, but she tried to hide it...Sarah finally came out and said she was pregnant. I was at the hospital when Sarah had the baby at a little after six A.M. April 18, 2008, two weeks before we told her we were pregnant."
Head hurts, big time. You gonna tell me Levi wrote this? What a tidy little package of words! Covers all bases, down to date and time. Yesterday I'm wondering why Levi would paint SP in such an ugly light in VF. Today I'm wondering if the entire clan didn't sit down with a ghostwriter and compose the whole thing. Head hurts, head hurts. Hey, Levi, congratulations on being the only human on record to have noticed SP "getting bigger" before her preg announcement.
I've been on vacation for this week and returned to some excellent posts and analysis of Levi's book excerpts.
His assertion that he was present when SP gave birth to Trig, if true (which I completely doubt), is BIG trouble for SP, although MSM won't move on it I'm sure. For that reason, he can just decide once and for all that MSM is either stupid or completely uninterested in the truth.
To wit, I can see no explanation for Bristol boyfriend to go to a hospital in the middle of the night for SP. Either Sp was on the verge of giving birth that night or it was a total surprise. SP's statements on the record were that it was a total surprise, as an explanation for the wild ride not being reckless. But if Levi even if he was already considered part of the family, would he either a) accompany Bristol for what was supposed to be just a cautionary hospital visit or b) be summoned suddenly in the middle of the night just for the birth of Bristol's baby brother? Either scenario is not credible.
If, on the other hand, Levi accompanied Bristol BECAUSE they expected the baby to arrive shortly, then SP's wild ride was knowingly reckless.
The inconsistencies in the circumstances make some elements of his story a lie. We can't say which elements, but if he is covering for SP faking -- which seem more likely with his statements -- we need to know why and MSM must ask him those questions.
There are so many holes in his statements that I'm convinced that there are lies upon lies and many have postulated. For example, there was a unnamed 'friend' there when Levi and Bristol told SP that they were going to have a baby. But SP doesn't want anyone to know that Bristol is pregnant? The friend already knows and SP knows she knows!! How would she keep this third party quiet? It makes no sense at all.
There's a big cover up here of something, and MSM ignores it all, accepting without question all of these assertions. They are stupid -- or gullible -- or guilty.
Dan
Maybe Willow needs to write the Tell All book. She must be getting tired of being the newest scrapegoat.
Busy-body Willow snooped in mom's bedroom and found preg. test kit. Inconsiderate Willow just had to point out that the precious new baby looked funny-had Down Snydrome.Willow is also recently blamed for accepting an invitation on behalf of Sarah to speak at some Alaska Pro-Life or Republican event...then of course, Sarah bowed out. Willow gets blamed for everything and Piper has to do all the uncredited work mothering Trig. Bet she had a busy summer and never saw her young friends much. Sounds like Palin quit ALL her jobs,roles, titles...wife, mother, hockey mom, cook, then Gov.
Rex and Tank:You are having Levi skate on a slippery slope sliding between the clear ice of truth and veering to credibility crack-up of 'depends on what the definition of Is is.' (whatever that B.Clinton quote was, I lived in remote cabin and had no MSM of Monica scandal at the time)
KaJo--
What about the breadcrumb of Sarah reportedly saying she had "just gone on TV" to say Bristol wasn't pregnant? Given that Sarah never gave any such public announcement that Bristol wasn't pregnant (evidently she told that privately to Bill McAllister to try to quash the rumors, and that was considerably earlier), couldn't that only refer to Sarah's public announcements about being pregnant? Perhaps even to a little TV taping with Andrea Gusty in the empty halls of the capitol, with an empathy belly?
After all, we know from the RNC that in the immediate Palin family, the public announcement of one pregnancy and its timing is taken as a denial of another, just as Palin's announcement to the media of her own pregnancy seems to have been in Sarah's mind a "denial" that Bristol was pregnant.
How very telling that SP would suggest that telling people she was "pregnant" was equivalent to telling everyone that Bristol was not.
BTW, does anyone doubt Levi's lawyer screened the exact language he used about April 18th, and particularly the delightfully ambiguous placement of the key modifying phrase?
"I was at the hospital when Sarah had the baby at a little after six A.M. on April 18, 2008, two weeks before we told her we were pregnant."
Note he did NOT say, e.g., "I was at the hospital at a little after six A.M. on April 18, 2008, when Sarah gave birth to Trig two weeks before we told her we were pregnant."
He did not say Sarah either gave birth or even "had the baby" (handed to her?) "at a little after six A.M. on April 18, 2008" He said only that he was at the hospital "at a little after six A.M. on April 18, 2008," when Sarah (ambiguously)"had the baby."
I could accurately tell you that my mother was in the hospital the day my son was born and that she "had the baby." It was in fact hard to get the baby back from her, and she was just visiting.
Keeping in mind this had to be vetted by someone's lawyer, that's a lot easier (and equally accurate) to read as Levi being there at that date and time, when Sarah had been handed (or handed over) someone else's biological baby than it is to suppose this teenaged boy was present for the governor's birthing of a baby.
And why in the world would Levi have been there at 6 a.m. if he weren't a little more involved in the process than as the "mother's" daughter's redneck boyfriend?
P.S. Word verification entertaining: gynatorv (a Roman numeral V?).
Further defending Levi -- in the "behind the scenes" video of the VF photo shoot of Levi (at its end 3:38), there is an unsavory little exchange initiated and pushed by Tank, in which Tank asks Levi about posing nude, and then keeps bringing up the subject of penis size in such shoots.
Levi deflects and manages to avoid any kind of salacious quote and treats it all with a dignity I certainly could not have summoned at 19 on an obviously trick question like this.
Not good, on the part of Tank. Nice job of staying away from it by Levi. Well done. Congratulations, Levi.
Funny little Letterman follow-up to the VF piece.
no comment right now, but wv:
fancyab!
Rationalist said... If so, where does that leave us?
Where does that leave Levi? Is he going to be like Palin if asked to help the public to understand a few things?
We only see photos. He knew her when she did the hiking video and went to the classes to keep the abs in shape. He claims he saw her go through the pregnancy changes documented in photos. He saw a tiny Trig when the photos were taken with his sister. He must have seen the pudgy cheek Trig on April 18 when the Heaths were photographed at the hospital.
It is not unusual for a novice writer to have help, including someone to check on the dates of events.
I don't think it matters that Levi had assistance.
I'd like to know why he was compelled to say what he did.
He may not be at liberty to say.
He may be doing it as his way of protecting his children.
He can only speak around the subject of Trig. That may change later. He is the more sincere of the two.
I agree with "B" at 7:15.
Levi is telling just enough truth to make it truthy* without spilling ALL the beans. He is saving that for the book, if necessary. Well, that's what I hope, anyway. Nobody on this PLANET thinks she got any bigger 'cept him?!
*Thank you Stephen Colbert.
How's this for truthy?
"Crunchwrap Supreme" = to know what a person orders at Taco Bell is to KNOW somebody... intimately.
Why would savvy VF be publishing this story, with all the issues we have (correctly) identifed?
Why would the Rex team allow Tank to goad Levi into that vulgar little conversation in the limo? And then let it appear on the web rather than deleting it?
I agree that the handling of Levi has been well done up to this point. If so, then these "lapses" must be part of a larger plan -- the plan to position Levi so he is well known (not among the paltry few who read the NYT, etc., but in the mass media). Without that, his eventual book would have a smaller readership/smaller advance. But now, with this new controversy (liar? or not?)(gent? or not?), he gets a little more famous. Each time, a little more famous.
It must be true that Rex and VF had a little chat, laid out the strategy for future articles and the book -- to say nothing of the role of the foregoing in revealing the hoax, or otherwise dealing with SP. How could it be otherwise? The VF Levi article did not arrive to VF over the transom. (Does anyone still know what a transom is?)
If this game is as big as Morgan says it is, we have two players worthy of it: VF and Rex. Neither has a track record as a fool. This is not the first and only major shot out of the cannon for them, for Levi. Remember, Levi's Mom is sitting in jail. I can only imagine Levi's feelings re that. I think we see in Levi, Rex+, and VF a swan -- calm on top and paddling furiously, unseen, underwater, propelling all this toward a goal.
I am thinking, too, that the protagonist in all of the above is no less than the same forces that caused CBS to back down, tried to KO Dan Rather, and has so far suceeded (although I believe Dan is still fighting).
Audrey, I'm concerned that you've been silent for so long. I know you were being persecuted by the same pack that went after Gryphen. I do hope all is well with you.
ManxMamma
I have been thinking about Levi's motive for the obvious fibbing in the Vanity Fair article. I don't think he is writing to make a historical record or that we are his real audience. I think his real audience is Sarah, who ultimately has so much power over whether he sees his son or -- since he is probably Trig's father also -- sons. If he doesn't get what he wants, he can spill all that he has hinted at. And explain why he was forced to fib...the reasons are likely to make Sarah look even worse than she already does! For the only story that still makes sense of all the available facts is the one that has emerged from the consensus on this blog -- that Sarah faked the pregnancy, and that Trig is almost certainly Bristol's child.
So I'm thinking further about Levi's actions. And two major points come up.
First, his mother is in jail, he needs money to support his family, and he has no real job prospects aside from the media circus he is in. His fame makes his regular job prospects in his home community even worse. He is (as any normal, principled person would be) desperate. To find the resources to provide for his family, to set everything to rights.
Second, I recall P. T. Barnum saying re circuses, that "no one ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the American public." Ooops, I see it's H. L. Mencken who said it, per Wikipedia. Even a better source, though less acquainted with circuses and more acquained with the press. All the same thing, though, esp these days.
I'm holding onto my hope and belief that Rex & Co are steering him on the best possible course, under the circumstances.
Sarah's idea to adopt thereby 'saving' Bristol's reputation really doesn't make sense. When Sarah found out about Bristol's pregnancy, several people already knew: Sherry, Mercede, Levi and Bristol's friend (the one who helped break the news). Those are just the ones we know about, there could be more. So right from the beginning it wasn't a secret.
Amy1, it's one thing for Levi's handlers to be promoting him. It's another thing for them to unwittingly discredit him in the process.
While Rex & Co. may indeed be raising his name recognition through controlled bookings on shows and at events, they cannot control the spin interviewers or celebrities like Kathy Griffin lend the situation. It's the spin that's having the negative effect on Levi - and his future - at this point.
Let's say for the sake of argument that you are right, that these appearances are designed to make Levi a household name so when he does write the book it will sell. The problem is that the people interviewing Levi or appearing with him aren't seeing him the way Rex & Co. see him. They don't see "Levi Johnston, future author." They see a Levi Johnston enjoying his fifteen minutes of fame, and the interviewers (including Vanity Fair whose sole interest is to *sell magazines*) are going to exploit Levi for what he is and how he's being represented.
At the moment, that image is The Flavor of the Moment, the Wasilla redneck who knocked up the governor's daughter and who is now enjoying the fame that relationship has given him. That is NOT the image that will make him a household name unless his handlers want that household name to be "Mr. Opportunist."
To praise how Levi is being handled is to see him as you want to see him in context of what he's been through. I can understand that. I also think down deep he's a good kid. But this publicity tour is giving America a very different impression, and if you read the comments on any Web site discussing him at this point they are overwhelmingly negative.
That should tell you something, right there, which is public opinion matters to this kid if he's going to write a story that people believe. He needs to step away from the limelight and get to work. And fast.
Man, this long silence from Audrey has me worried. I truly hope all is well. I would hate to find out that something totally unrelated happened and is keeping you away.
If you're taking heat, just let us know so maybe we can help. If you're stumped, then maybe back up and post about some stuff you were going to post a while back before all of the distractions started.
Just let us know you're OK, please.
Jennifer
Audrey, Thank you for your diligence. For all of us who have been following this story for the past year, and have had to endure to the eye rolling of friends and loved ones, Thank you!
We all know we aren't kooks, and have found support with our like minded friends here on the babygate-open blogs.
Gryphen's most recent "almost-confirmations" of commenters' theories is very encouraging. I believe those of us, who know the importance of this, and who have not been willing to turn a blind eye, will soon be vindicated!
For your contribution toward this end, thanks again.
I'm puzzled why people here think Rex Butler, no doubt an accomplished criminal defense attorney, and Tank Jones, a skillful private investigator, are now all of sudden genius publicity/book agents? Do they have the skills, experience and contacts? (After all, really good agents get paid a lot of coin for a reason!) Based on Levi's handlers' recent "genius" moves, I'm skeptical whether they're up to the task.
In fact, Rex and Tank have greatly damaged Levi's image. Morgan said it better than I could, in a comment on her own blog, following that fantastic open letter to Levi's Handlers:
http://tinyurl.com/m5rnl5
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"In earlier interviews Levi came off as a shy and sympathetic figure who was being denied access to the child he loved. Now he comes across as an arrogant and cocky party boy more interested in posing nude than seeing his son. It's making people want to hear less from him, not more!"
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As a result, add Howard Kurtz of WaPo/CNN to the growing list of MSM writers (Beth Marcus/WaPo, Gail Collins/NYT) who have had enough of Levi:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/06/rs.01.html
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KURTZ: After all, Bristol Palin's ex-boyfriend dishes all kinds of inside dirt about her mother. Sarah Palin didn't do any cooking. She watched daytime TV, found the governor's job too hard, and wanted to make far more money. She thought of claiming that Bristol's baby was her own. She didn't sleep in the same bedroom as her husband Todd, and there was talk of divorce.
(On camera): Pretty hot stuff, huh? This is a quality magazine paying a high school dropout, whose only conceivable credential is that he knocked up a governor's daughter, who has been called a liar by Sarah Palin, engaging in payback by trashing the family. This is supposed to be what? Journalism. I felt like taking a shower afterwards.
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Personally, I think the real Levi is more the "Tyra Banks" concerned father version than the "Teen Choice Awards with Kathy Griffin" opportunistic hustler version. That having been said, the public perception sadly is now that Levi Johnston is the latter.
IMHO, Levi needs to disappear and not come back until his book is done.
Joe Christmas,
I am referring to your post dated 08/26/09, 11:21 p.m.
You referred to insurance fraud.
Let's keep in mind that we don't know whether there was any insurance fraud or not relating to Trig's birth.
If Trig's birth mom (Bristol or whoever), went to the hospital in labor and claimed to be Sarah, that would be insurance fraud.
If Sarah simply lied to the media and the public, that is not insurance fraud.
We cannot say there was insurance fraud, unless we can see insurance forms which were filled out and see if any false statements were made on them. And this we cannot do. These forms are confidential.
So preparing dinner at the Palin household often meant Levi was grilling for the family. Did he go over to their house to grill that often, or is this just more evidence that he actually lived with them for while?
I still can't figure out why Sarah never released a (fake) birth certificate for Trig. Wouldn't it be easy to copy his real one and PhotoShop the copy as desired? Fake parents, fake birth date, maybe fake hospital?
Audrey, where are you? Where's Gryphen? Where's anyone with new info. Silence is deafening!
Adopting parents can get a birth certificate with their names as the parents. However, I think not only that the birthdate can't be changed (if the birth of "Trig" was not on April 18, 2008), but it may be that the baby's NAME can't be changed on the birth certificate. What if a Social Security number was issued to a baby with a name other than Trig Palin but who has been presented to the world as "Trig Palin"? Maybe, hypothetically, the birth certificate says Tripp Palin (1.0)?
And if the birth certificate can't be shown because it's inconsistent in name and/or date of birth with Palin's story, think of all the fallout for the poor child: will he ever be enrolled in the government programs he's entitled to for his disabilities? Will he be able to enroll in appropriate schools, or (ironically) even be able to get health insurance when he needs to? Will he ever be able to get a passport to go abroad with jet-setter "mom" as he grows up, or will he be a prisoner to someone's ambition and absence of critical thinking skills, and inability to forsee or care about the costs of her deceptions to innocent third parties?
Maybe Audrey went off with Sarah to help her write her book. LOL. Just read somewhere else that Palin, Todd and Piper spent the last month in San Diego. Where in the world is Sarah San Diego?
I hope Audrey is absorbed in some pleasant family distraction. Morgan is here to let us know if there's something we should know.
Check out Andrew Sullivan's "Daily Dish" today (Sept. 8) on Atlantic Monthly Website on why getting to the bottom of Levi's story really matters -- and how close we got to having a deranged liar as our vice-president (or even president...)
OT alert -- commentary on some prospects for Alaska now that The Quitter has (presumably) skipped the state:
http://tinyurl.com/mwkxo5
herkimer
The link to the Andrew Sullivan Story
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/levis-remarkable-claim.html or http://tinyurl.com/lmto7w
a link to the video on the page http://www.vanityfair.com/video?videoID=35763261001&lineupID=14192752001 or tp://tinyurl.com/nget8y
The MSM are now treating Levi Johnston with their trade-marked breezy dismissal as a publicity whore. He sure is. Good on him. When you have been used by a political machine - when they made you cut off your mullet to make-over your image - you get a chance in America to make a few bucks by making yourself over. That means, of course, that we should be highly skeptical of what he is now saying. But in the Vanity Fair interview, which I noted a week ago, Levi nonetheless said something truly remarkable that really does get at something awry about the MSM, John McCain and the Republican machine:
Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret—nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn’t have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging—she wouldn’t give up. She would say, “So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn’t want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid.
This is a first-hand account from someone as close to Palin as possible. It alleges a proposed conspiracy by the former vice-presidential candidate to hide her daughter's pregnancy and pass it off as her own to avoid embarrassment. It was not, according to Levi, a one-off musing. It was a persistent nagging to present a massive lie to the world about Palin's own family life for cynical political purposes.
Does the fact that the father of Palin's grandson believes she is capable of a totally crazy conspiracy involving a fake pregnancy ring any bells? Is anyone in the MSM going to actually, you know, ask former governor Palin if this is true, and if it was the first and only time she had this kind of kooky Desperate Housewives scheme up her sleeve?
And where are the conservative commentators denouncing Levi as nuts and batshit and loony and out of bounds and outrageous and hate-filled as they did when a handful of bloggers, armed only with a completely implausible scenario about a pregnancy, asked simply for confirmation of Palin's maternity of her child, confirmation they never got.
And how would you pull off such a conspiracy anyway? Where would you find a doctor to fake a birth certificate? How would you persuade Bristol and Levi to go along with it? How would you find a hospital pliant enough to pull a bait-and-switch? How would you make yourself appear pregnant while your daughter was hidden away - when you are a sitting governor of a state and being photographed around the clock? How would you orchestrate not only a fake pregnancy but a fake birth? Only someone truly unhinged would dream of such a plot. And am I the only one who thinks it matters if this country might have put such an unhinged person in the most powerful office in the world?
That's why clearing up this increasingly surreal set of tabloid stories matters. It's not about Palin. It's about McCain and the GOP. Did they know any of these accusations before they selected her? And how did they get the MSM to acquiesce to no press conference and no questions about this core absurdity? Levi's new claim may be untrue, or a shot across the bow about more to come, or true only in this respect, i.e. Tripp. But if he is telling the truth - and he has been admirably straightforward for much of this psychodrama - then Mrs Palin has some 'splaining to do. And so do Mr McCain and Mr Kristol.
Noah -
1)I recommend that you read Audrey's post "A Tale of 2 Birth Certificates" http://tiny.cc/ImALN. It will answer most of your questions.
2) An adopted baby's name can be changed on the birth certificate. The husband of a friend of mine is adopted and his name was changed when he was adopted.
3) I don't see how this can cause a problem with SS. Some paperwork maybe - as when a woman marries and uses her husband's last name. Or when someone legally changes their name.
I had always thought that the baby was born at home, so the only medical provider involved with the cover-up was the delivering physician. Or maybe no one, if the teenager simply had a private family birth. In that case, the MD simply believed what the Govenor told her.
According to internet chatter, Levi told Vanity Fair that he was at the hospital when the baby was born--- at 6am! Why on earth would a teenagers boyfriend be at the hospital to witness her moms delivery at 6am? Unless he was living at the Palin home, and what dates did he actually live there and why?
Someone just asked about why SP did not produce a birth certificate- even a fake one. Well, maybe the doctor would not lie or maybe SP figured that should her lie be found out...then a false birth certificate would really look bad,- not to mention illegal. Rather, she would hope for pity and mercy- the grandma who wanted the best for her ill grandson.
Questions:
1. When and why did Levi live at Palin residence? Why would he be home schooled?
2. What months was Bristol pulled out of school or moved to different school? Why? Where did she live during this time? What teenager wants to switch schools or be home schooled her junior or senior year?!
3. Why are there pictures released of the Johnstons holding the new baby, but none of the proud parents -SP or Bristol- holding the newborn? Why no announcement- I thought SP craved attention.
4. Why can't a reporter find a classmate or parent or neighbor who will provide info regarding the truth? What is everyone afraid of? They could make millions....
5. What date did the Republicans send their people to scrub Johnston computers? Is this routine?
6. Is a birth certificate considered public info, or not? Why has it been over 18 months since birth and no BC?
7. Isn't it odd that a mother would take a preterm, newborn with DS to work on POD 3. So, did anyone see the Bilibelt? I thought the baby required one......
8. Did the delivering MD ever come out of hiding? Why did she not refer this >40 yo mother with DS baby to a high risk OB? Why would she allow such a crazy jouney from Texas to Alaska after amniotic fluid started leaking? ( If a mom leaks amnio but not progress, then she in induced - just happened to my 44 yo friend---but this was her first baby... not baby #5 that pops out in minutes!)It appears that in todays times, a woman can get away with pregnancy lies, since men get nervous, flustered and just take a prego womans word for granted, ...so she got away with this cockamany story. Politics is a profession where that is still more of a mans world-and heaven forbid, a govenor- a VP candidate- would never lie!
Finally, I think that its time for you to call Levi Johnston and his sister. Do they realize that if he tells the truth in his book, that he will make millions- and he could financially provide for his DS baby and take the power away from SP. (If he does come clean, then he needs to ask for protection for his mother while she is in prison.)
Time for you to contact the Johnstons about importance of truth. Try to call them. Next, try to contact their PR people. Then, send letter and emails. Or go through Tyra or other TV shows they have been on. Find out what TV show they will be on and forward host with facts and questions they should ask.
Time to email all media networks and important newspapers, Huffington Post,etc.
Time for action. No more blogging behind the scenes.
Windy City Woman
Let me clarify my point. There is no doubt in my mind, I am as sure as the fact that the world is older than 6,000 years, that Spalin is not Trig's biological mother. Most people here are as sure of that.
But I'm looking at probabilities and new angles to expose this phony. As you noted yourself, it is POSSIBLE that she committed insurance fraud. My contention is that she PROBABLY committed some degree of fraud. And if said fraud was committed this frees up health care workers from HIPAA laws. It was a call to arms.
If she did follow all the rules, and we all know that is unlikely, than, sure, slap my wrists. Yeah, maybe she adopted Trig, and Levi signed some confidentiality agreement, but I'll bet cash money right now that some sort of insurance malfeasance was part of any sordid deal -- if not extortion and blackmail.
Either way,
Spalin is a psychopathic liar and should never come as close as dog catcher to any public office.
Levi Johnston for governor
Joe Xmas
Punkinbugg, I laughed out loud when I read your remark: "Crunchwrap Supreme = to know what a person orders at Taco Bell is to KNOW somebody... intimately." When that slipped out, I had just returned from visiting my ninetysomething mother-in-law. I had taken her to the nearest Taco Bell for her favorite thing, a Crunchwrap Supreme.
One of my sons, on hearing this, wailed, "Ohhh, my nana is Sarah Palin!" I said, "Now how much scarier is it if your MOTHER-IN-LAW is $P?"
Audrey, please post a paragraph so we'll know you're not being, say, held at gunpoint to write $P's "memoir."
After my copy of VF arrived and I read the rest of the story, I was very aware of the fact that Levi Johnston is leaving some key points deliberately vague, such as, remarking, "I don't know how [$P] got pregnant," while being over-specific on the others. Several posters here have wisely pointed to the extremely precise timing of when Levi showed up at the hospital at which $P "had"--the world's vaguest noun!--the baby.
Apart from his very skimpy commentary about how his mother got arrested and what's happening to her now, the most damning details in Levi's article, to be sure, already have been disclosed. And that magazine pays BIG, so at least he's got some folding money without taking off his clothes.
Thanx to kjgrandma for pointing me to Andrew Sullivan's posts from 9/8 regarding the obvious inconsistencies and lack of journalistic interest in Levi's stunning assertions. In fact, AS only scratched the surface -- and he tacitly admitted as much.
Levi's revelation that SP wanted to secretly "adopt" his and Bristol's child (whichever one he meant) is so over the top amazing that MSM ignoring it and not beating down SP's door to either confirm or deny (she's certainly deny, unless Levi had her on tape) is truly stunning.
So SP will deny, calling Levi a liar. If so, then he could also be lying about everything else, including is relationship to Bristol, Trig, Tripp, etc. He could be lying about being at the hospital when Trig was born on April 18. In other words, if Levi is lying about SP, why should we believe anything he says.
For that matter, why should we believe anything SP says? Her story -- both pregnancy and labor/delivery -- make zero sense in any case. I might be inclined to shrug my shoulders -- as MSM does on this topic -- if there were some supporting documentation that she was actually pregnant. But there isn't any. None. Zip.
How can MSM ignore this story? Do we have to hold a crazy public demonstration about this? Start our own network? Buy a full-page ad in The New York Times? (They would probably reject it.) File a lawsuit?
Dan
Hey Audrey - as a longtime reader, I want to send a message of support and encouragement. We are living in strange times. Seeing Sarah Palin continue to promote the "Death Panel" idea makes me realize that we are dealing with a crazy person. I don't know what the truth is, but I appreciate all you've done. I hope all your hard work comes to fruition. I'm rooting for you.
I don't know if any of you have been following the ebay auction to win "Dinner with Sarah and Todd"
http://cgi.ebay.com/Private-Dinner-for-Five-with-Sarah-Palin_W0QQitemZ260474255847QQcmdZViewItemQQptZTickets_Experiences?hash=item3ca579b9e7&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 or http://tinyurl.com/myn7xz
They got some bids finally...looks like it's a war between 3 bidders. And wth, they made revisions. No more mention of Todd and the dinner will happen in ALABAMA instead of Alaska? Okay, wtf is this all about?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&item=260474255847 or http://tinyurl.com/r48uku
DAVID FRUM, a republican:
" 'Her divisiveness is not just within the country, it’s divisive within the party, and many fear, as I do, that while she’s very popular with some Republicans...she represents a future that leads the party both to political defeat and then to ineffectiveness in government.'
"But Frum's fellow neocons are now happy to have her as a comrade. ... The question for Frum and the neocons is, do you regard Palin as a useful idiot?"
I also find Levi's claim that he was at the hospital for Trig's birth not logical. Why would a teenage boy be there for his girlfriend's mother giving birth? And if Sarah gave birth at 6 a.m., when did they call Levi? From Texas, after calling CBJ? From Seattle? From the airport in Alaska? "Hi, Levi, this is Sarah. I'm having the baby. I'm at the airport. Meet me at MatSu Hospital in an hour." This call was at 5 a.m.? What teen would get up at that hour for that reason, unless it was HIS baby?
**A NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR**
Hi faithful readers and friends, Morgan here.
Many of you have written expressing concern over Audrey's absence from her blog. Several of you have heard rumors that she was threatened.
Those rumors are, unfortunately, true. Audrey has been threatened. She and her husband took the threats seriously enough to seek legal advice and have decided after consulting with their attorney to suspend posting for the time being.
She has asked me to convey her deep appreciation for the good wishes and support she has and continues to receive from all of you.
Thanks,
Morgan
thetokenhippie@gmail.com
"Audrey has been threatened. She and her husband took the threats seriously enough to seek legal advice and have decided after consulting with their attorney to suspend posting for the time being."
And this is how Sarah gets her way.
I have nothing but sympathy for Audrey and her husband, and I know they have to do what's right for them.
But the thing is, she was threatened. We don't know what the threats consisted of. We can't judge if this is a threat we might be willing to be exposed to, if we choose to continue working to expose Sarah Palin for what she is. We only know that for some reason, another good person has been silenced. A voice we rallied around, a community of people who realize the truth.
And that's Sarah's history. That's one of the first things Audrey said, months ago: she had a reporter friend who'd gone to Wasilla, and s/he came back saying that the people of Wasilla are deeply frightened of Sarah. Nobody would say anything because they were frightened of her. And a number of people have asked, What can she do to others? I got my nose smacked here for commenting that she belongs to a church of crazies, and there might be killers there- and if you read Gryphon, you know she belongs to a church of serious crazies, and I don't think it's a stretch to say that there might really be killers there.
(Pause here for the obligatory frown and for somebody to say "oh but they're CHRISTIANS...")
I wish Audrey only the best. I don't wish harm on anyone. According to my definition, hoping that Sarah Palin is held up to ridicule, shame and disgrace after being publicly exposed as a vicious sociopath and immediately before going to jail for fraud/tax evasion/whatever, isn't wishing HARM upon her. Only an educational experience and possibly a moment of spiritual clarity.
What were the threats? What, besides silence, were the options? Is there a legal response possible?
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
Morgan: **Many of you have written expressing concern over Audrey's absence from her blog. Several of you have heard rumors that she was threatened.
Those rumors are, unfortunately, true. Audrey has been threatened.**
I don't want to believe this. Too sickening. We're behind you Audrey...I only wish we could physically shield you and your family. They can threaten you, but they can do nothing about the evidence you've discovered and organized for the sane world to see and rely on. You're in my thoughts.
Dear Audrey, I am so sorry to read Morgans post, describing how you have been threatened, and that you will suspend writing PD. You put a great deal of time and thought into a well researched, well written blog, and I have enjoyed following what you and the other posters have had to say.
We cannot allow people to threaten you, your family, the other Morgan, Grypen, and anyone else who writes in a critical way about Sarah Palin. She is a flawed human being who chose to run for a very high political office. If she cannot stand up to criticism and analysis, she does not deserve to be in public life.
Meanwhile, I hope that you and your family are safe and getting good advice. I hope that your lawyers contact the FBI or other law enforcement to take action against those who threaten you. If they are allowed to use these tactics, then they will succeed in eliminating anybody with a different point of view. They are stomping on our Constitutional freedoms, and are a danger to everything that the United States stands for.
Audrey, while I am sorry to see you pull back, I understand completely. Sarah and her supporters are both crazy and dangerous, and the Palinbots have gone after your anonymity the same way they went after Gryphen.
That said, I know you have a lot of information you haven't posted because you are so careful about getting all your ducks in order. Might I suggest you pass this information on to someone like Palingates, who writes from the relative safety of France? Or someone in Australia or England? Or someone here in the States who sets up a new site and from the very beginning is wary enough to keep absolutely ANY personally betraying information secret? How are Patrick and Morgan's plans to put up a new Trig Truther-type forum progressing?
We can't let evil win.
This is so terrible. Thank you, Audrey and Morgan and families for what you have done and the pressures you have endured. I forget what it is called (that card we shouldn't play) but it makes me think of Krystalnacht when the businesses were destroyed.
It may seem like a little step, but it could happen to any of us.
**FROM THE MODERATOR**
Thanks so much for all your comments. Despite the requests - and in a couple of cases, demands - for details, we are not going to speak further on the nature of these threats, or allow a lot of speculation in the comments. Please remember, this is a person's life we're talking about and as much as your curiosity may be piqued, Audrey is smart to take the methodical, thoughtful approach she's taking. It's always been her way and it's been my experience that it always yields results for her. Those of you who respect her will respect her wishes. (I would like to point out here that those demanding details aren't regulars, which tells me something.)
As I stated, Audrey has retained excellent counsel and is following her attorney's advice as she considers her options and next steps.
To Midnight Cajun, plans for the forum are on hold along with everything else.
I appreciate everyone's patience in this matter. Please don't worry that evil will win out. It never does, no matter what the source.
I've been reading this site almost from it's birth. In my opinion Audrey's best defense is an offense. Reveal publicly the person who issued the threats. If someone threatens to throw a rock through your window, your best defense is to expose them before the event.
Lastly,l think your last post was the final one needed. You proved your point in spades and the threat just proves that you wee right. Please do not take this site down. It needs to stay forever. If Palin or Murdock is so powerful with threats they need to be exposed.
Thank you Morgan,
I'm still here everyday reading and wishing well for Audrey and her team.
I didn't get to be 72 years old by being impatient.
Best regards,
Duncan
Ahhh. Once again the first amendment seems to only to apply the wingnuts. Stay strong. the truth will win out.
Audrey,
I wish you peace and calm in this.
Jennifer
In case my last comment didn't make it past the dominatrix--
all I want to say is thank you, Audrey and team and supportive family members, for giving me hope that justice would prevail.
Audrey, I was so hoping you were planning a big post for Tuesday, this blog's first anniversary. Stay safe, and then hurry back.
Morgan, thanks for the update and for keeping this blog going.
As the editor of a blog that deals with local politics, I have also been threatened with lawsuits and suffered from harrassment by the "bad guys." Slowly, but surely, public opinion is changing and people are starting to speak up. They are also getting threatened. While our local governemnt spins out of control, we have learned to stick together to encourage and support each other. My prayers go out to you, Audrey. This is truly a battle of good versus evil - and you're on the good side.
I respect Audrey's decision and wish her the very best.
I very much hope that Audrey can find a way to outwit these goons.
Thank you so much Morgan for updating us. This is what I feared had happened when I saw that Audrey’s identity was outed recently. It is most disconcerting that people exercising free speech in regard to a former Vice-Presidential candidate are being silenced by threats, particularly when you consider all the hate speech and lies being written about our current President. The only comfort here is in knowing that this is happening because she has gotten too close to the truth.
It is not for any of us to second guess what the proper course of action is for Audrey in this situation. The diligence and hard work she has put into this blog is invaluable to those of us who know that a fraud has been perpetrated on the American people. I hope Audrey knows she has the full support of her readers, and that we will respect her decisions. We will also not stop asking relevant questions about Sarah Palin until we have answers. The American people have every right to know the truth about a woman who was almost a 72 year old heartbeat away from running the country. This investigation is not about exposing the private lives of private people. It is about what almost happened to change the course of history in the most frightening way imaginable. And, as in most political scandals, the cover-up is just as bad, if not worse, than the 'crime'.
I wish there was some way we could help Audrey, besides offering our best wishes. There is power in numbers, and there are probably more people than we realize who would gladly contribute to this cause, financially or otherwise.
Audrey, take care and all the best. We miss you. Hope to hear from you a soon as you are able!
Audrey,
I remember finding your blog during the campaign. You were my life-line, so to speak. Everyone else around me thought I was crazy when I said that wild ride story was a lie, that can't be her kid. Later, I was sick and horrified the day Morgan shut down her blog; but then came Regina.
I hope you do not shut down the blog, heck, transfer. If old Palin can have ghostwriters, why can't you? If you need anything, let us know.
Above all, stay safe; I pray God watches over you and your family. And all the associates and their families, too!
We can't let evil win.
My mind was doing anagrams:
Levi
I'm so sorry to hear this. It gets me so mad that another blogger has been threatened.
Audrey, Please stay safe, and when everything is out in the open, I hope you'll blog again.
I think you've been able to prove without much doubt SP did not ever give birth to Trig.
Take care,
Carrie
Austin, TX
Sarah buys a lot of her clothes at a consignment store in Anchorage. Has anyone checked with the people at the store? They might know whether Sarah had to buy larger size clothes and when. These stores know their clients sizes and often call them when they see something they think their client would like. I am guessing she would have purchased her maternity outfits at this type of place.
Today I read the article about Levi & Sarah in the September "Vanity Fair" today. I recommend it to everyone. There is more in the article than what was in the online article. Levi does not paint a pretty picture of life at the Palin household.
Audrey...I am so sadden by what has happen to you. I will keep you and your husbands safety in my prayers. Take care and please let us know if we can do ANYTHING to help you.
GinaM
Kajo said,
"Amy1 said...September 2, 2009 2:08 PM “She would say, 'So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” Him? HIM? HIM?' As far as I have read, the only baby whose gender was said to be known before birth was Trig, due to the amnio. "
No, most people know the sex of their baby by ultrasound, and it was in the news way before Tripp was born that they were expecting a boy.
I wish you the best, Audrey, no matter what happens to this blog. Thank you for being so brave to start it up in the first place, and provide all of us a place where we can comment and speculate.
What really scares me now is the good old boy network, who still believe that blacks are inferior, thus they have no reason to respect our President. President Obama is in a precarious position, even at this time in history, when you would think most people would know that the color of your skin is not the most important measure of a man (or woman).
Hey Audrey,
I'm so sorry to hear of your hiatus, but I understand your decision to play it safe. I remember your saying Audrey was a pseudonym a long time ago - so big wooping deal that somebody "found out"!!
I keep picturing Shannyn Moore, standing on the steps of Palin's Anchorage office building -- and giving a news conference right after SHE was threatened with a Palin lawsuit.
As beautiful & confident as she could be, with a powerful presence in Alaska, her voice still shook with emotion.
Hang in there & know that a whole community of readers wish you and your family all the best, and hope to hear from you again very soon!
I have been reading this blog from the beginning. I too (also) found a community that saw things the way I did...people who saw through this ridiculous facade! It's wonderland with these people - nothing is as it seems and it's all opposite and upside down. I hold McCain responsible for foisting this clearly troubled woman on us. I hold her husband responsible for not sitting her down and telling her, point blank, "NO!" No, you are not capable of this job and no you are not going to do this to our family. Now, after much turmoil and simply unbelievable lies, she has been seemingly rescued by a very wealthy man who can see right through the craziness but doesn't fantasize about her as a politician. He sees her as a pretty mouth piece, the beauty queen who will do his conservative bidding across the world. Meantime, I haven't even looked up this "outing" of you. I don't care who you really are. I just know that you've been writing in complete sentences and thinking clearly about a truly incomprehensible pack of lies. So, once again, I thank you for all your hard work and clear thinking. I'll miss this work, but you must take care. All the best, Laura.
God Bless you Audrey, I really don't comment here very often but I check in each day. Take care of yourself and your family and take comfort in the fact that you must be so close to the truth or you would not be threatened in this vicious way. My Prayers are with you and your loved ones.
Stay strong sister! Tuck in, we all have your back!
I fully support Audreys' decisions, & appreciate all of her hard work. Thanks very much & hoping she can return soon. If not, hopiing the information can be used in another format. Thanks again.
Audrey ... I admire you.
Thank you for all you do, Audrey. Stay safe and strong.
herkimer
I'm sorry to hear about your troubles. Well, at least, you lasted long enough to get the most important info to the public. You can rest assured your job is complete.
There was no new info coming and dare I say ''to come'', so they waited too long to get to you.
You got the last laugh, in my book.
I have been reading since the beginning and am only posting now to express my support for Audrey and her family. As an east coast working mom who had five pregnancies of my own I am so very thankful for all of Audrey's hard work, as well as everyone on this blog who has worked to spread the screamingly obvious truth. I use the information I learn on this site all the time to get the word out. The threats are the last gasp of the palinista's as the truth emerges. Stay strong, there is an army out here willing to support you.
please be safe. However, if you do need something please let us know. I fully support whatever you need to do.
**NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR**
Thanks again to all of you who have written comments or emails expressing support, good wishes, etc. The readership here is large, but I never realize just how large until we post or write something that generates a flood of response from both regulars, lurkers or regular lurkers.
To each and every one of you, your support and readership is valued. The Right is Wrong on this one and they know it. Why else would they try to stifle debate unless they feared the inevitable outcome?
On an unrelated note, Sarah is giving a speech in eleven days, or so her handlers would have us believe. She has, however, decided to bar media from taping it.
Whether she actually follows through is anyone's guess. Her track record has been a bit sketchy of late. ;-)
Just one more lurker who reads regularly, hasn't posted in a while, and is very supportive of Audrey in all of her efforts. Let's hope this gets resolved soon.
I do believe that we are closer than ever to having the truth come out. Unfortunately, that still may mean we're a ways away. :(
I check in often. I just KNOW you will be back with us at some point soon. This is just one more letter of support.
Dear Audrey:
Thank- you so much for your efforts to expose Sarah Palin for the fraud she is. I support and applaud you for all you have done. Be safe and well; you've done an amazing job.
I'm mostly a lurker and an occasional poster. I just want to give my support to Audrey and the staff here.
Also, I'm curious what happened to the Team Truther site. I apologize if it was explained earlier and I missed it.
Audrey, you have done a Good Thing here, and I wanted to let you know that your work and time has not been in vain. Once the tipping point is reached, and the truth is out, hopefully THEN SWWNBN and her ilk will truly be stripped of their power over that portion of the deluded people in this country.
PS I didn't know when I picked this name that SWWWBn has a sister named Molly. I picked my dog's name for my alias. :) But a teensy part of me hopes SWWNBN is irked that someone posts under her sister's name!
I just want to add my voice to the concern and appreciation for all you've done, Audrey. I loved the way you presented the material--so systematical and rational. I've followed your blog from the early days and enjoyed the ongoing conversations in the comments section. Thank you for everything!!
Audrey, so sorry to learn that your family has been threatened. I stand with you and support your theory, which I developed about 5 minutes after Palin's name was mentioned as the VP pick. I read the wild ride story and thought, no flippin' way! From that moment I never believed she birthed Trig. I thought she "bought" the baby as a convenient prop to boost her public appeal. You have diligently sought information, brought it to us for critical analysis, and kept this blog going. Thank you for your hard work and I hope to see you back writing very soon! Thank you too, Morgan.
and now for something FUNNY? IRONIC? TRAGIC?
here's W's take on SP:
Bush also is quoted as saying Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was "being put into a position she is not even remotely prepared for" after McCain announced her as his vice presidential running mate.
“I’m trying to remember if I’ve met her before. I’m sure I must have.” His eyes twinkled, then he asked, “What is she, the governor of Guam?”
Everyone in the room seemed to look at him in horror, their mouths agape. When Ed told him that conservatives were greeting the choice enthusiastically, he replied, “Look, I’m a team player, I’m on board.” He thought about it for a minute. “She’s interesting,” he said again. “You know, just wait a few days until the bloom is off the rose.” Then he made a very smart assessment.
“This woman is being put into a position she is not even remotely prepared for,” he said. “She hasn’t spent one day on the national level. Neither has her family. Let’s wait and see how she looks five days out.” It was a rare dose of reality in a White House that liked to believe every decision was great, every Republican was a genius, and McCain was the hope of the world because, well, because he chose to be a member of our party.
-John Byrne
..
well, W ought to know about being placed in a position beyond one's abilities!
I guess I keep pushing the limits of the moderator! Sorry, Morgan - let me try again. I regret, Audrey, you have come up against He Who Cannot Be Named, and I deeply appreciate all you've done. Good luck with this phase and know that you have the support of a lot of intelligent, devoted fans.
On another topic: I've been thinking for days about Levi Johnston's interview. Here's what I have concluded. The only topic in the article that contains specific dates and times is Babygate. I think that is a message to Sarah, and the message is "F*ck You, Sarah. I'm sticking to the agreement I signed about Trig - see? 'April 18th, 6:00 am.' So you can't go after me. But I'm going to say anything else I want about you."
Levi is pissed off, but what he cares about are his sons and protecting himself. If he can cash in on the fame he didn't ask for, that's icing on the cake. He couldn't give a sh*t about Trig Truthers. He feels no obligation to "get the story out," and neither do his handlers.
Unfortunately, his quotes in Vanity Fair make Audrey's task doubly hard. Now we have to convince the MSM that Levi is lying for a reason.
WV: winedne - Either "wine and dine," which is what Sarah will be doing the Chinese, or "wind down," which, hopefully, is what this phase is doing because the truth is about to come out.
How would she explain adopting a child, after just having one with special needs....adopting #6?? I guess another lie, that she adopted an unwanted child after convincing the mother to choose life and then she brought her to Jesus. Or some such hooey.
Otherwise, consider the timing. She knew she wanted to be the VP candidate. She would have to hide one daughter through a whole campaign, which would raise heaps of questions. Then IF (Gag me) she won, why would she adopt a sixth child with a huge new job and a new baby with problems??
Or does she not think at all? did she just want to hide the pg long enough to get to be the candidate, then she would think about how to hide Bristol the rest of the time?
The ONLY way this story makes sense is if it is about Trig. Just like the whole sad story!
There's no way that threats to "Audrey" under her real identity should silence the rest of us. Someone else can take pick up the effort. Otherwise, the threats will succeed, which I don't believe we can allow.
I, for one, have no fear of any threats, although my real identity is hardly a well-protected secret. I wish they had contacted me. I'd tell them where they could stick it!!
The fact is that any open effort to humiliate or harass "Audrey" would only draw attention to the case we have put together. I have to wonder "Why now?" She's been at it, like the rest of us, for a year. I would hate to see "Audrey" lose from this effort, but negotiation with anyone using fear for leverage is not an option.
Can we let them succeed in silencing all of us just by threatening one of us, no matter how well-regarded? No.
So I lend my real identity -- to anyone who wants to locate me, which should be easy -- to the statement that Sarah Palin lied about the circumstances of the birth of her "son" Trig Palin.
I, further, challenge anyone to threaten me in any way and see what happens. I've crushed professionals trying to challenge my integrity, so bring it to me, jerks. You don't scare me.
Daniel Archangel
Claymont, Delaware
Dan: Way to go! I've been outed on another site, and believe me, they have long memories. What kind of person is afraid of pursuit of truth?
**NOTE FROM THE MODERATOR**
Well, Dangerous, that was a pretty noble gesture there. I almost didn't approve it on the grounds that I don't think "Archangel" is really your last name. But it's the thought that counts, right?
Please, folks, I don't want others here to feel that they have to follow suit.
The fact is, Dan, it doesn't matter if you reveal your identity in an act of bravado or not. 99 percent of people on the Internet are pretty easy to find.
I've never deluded myself into thinking that I'd really remain anonymous. "Morgan" is actually my real first name. It'd probably take someone three minutes to find out the rest of it. And anyone who reads my blog knows my life is an open book. They'll quickly know about my unusual career, the general vicinity of where I live, where I like to hang out, what hobbies I enjoy, my husband's name, the names and ages of my kids, even my horse's name.
Even people who think they're safe may not be. All someone needs is a little bit of information to track you down, find out where you live, etc. If most people who think they're anonymous knew how easily they could be tracked they'd probably faint dead away.
But they still blog, still post pictures of their beautiful children (I do this), still spout their opinions, beliefs and ideas and make friends and enemies along the way. I've had some real doozies threaten me in the past over nothing more than political or religious differences. I've had people threaten to come to my house and "visit" me. Or to destroy my computer "remotely." People get really, really worked up by what they read online, some more than others.
At the end of the day the question is, "How crazy are the people who read your blog? Are they crazy enough to threaten you? Are they crazy enough to follow through? And if they do, have the any idea how crazy you might be?"
It's a crap shoot. We never really know who we're dealing with. And if you're worried about who might be reading then study up on Internet security *before* you start blogging.
Now here's the thing about Sarah Palin's fans, though. I know almost all of them regard themselves as Christians and think she's telling the truth.
I don't consider myself a Christian - not like them - but I have the advantage of having read the Bible many times as literature and recall that Jesus had really, really high standards for the people who held positions of authority in the church. He was really a cool guy - the original maverick - and beat the moneychangers out of the temple when he felt they were taking advantage of worshippers.
So when I look at Sarah Palin and Mark Sanford and John Ensign I wonder what happened to Christ's example, and to those Christian mavericks who were so good at policing themselves. When did Christians lower their standards from demanding accountability from their leaders to covering for them, or attempting to stifle debate when they were questioned?
Something mucho dodgy happened with Sarah's reported last pregnancy. That much we all know. If she's telling the truth, then her followers should tell her to deserve their loyalty by vindicating them with a certified birth certificate of Trig Palin dated April 18, 2008. That's really all it would take, after all.
If she did that it would be game over and her family and loyal supporters would be able to collectively thumb their noses at all of us who continue to question her fifth pregnancy. I'd think they would want her to silence us. I'd think she would, too.
So why hasn't she, when it would be as easy as providing one little piece of paper?
That's a question that should baffle her supporters, even if they won't admit it.
Morgan
Good post, Morgan. And I'm soooo glad you're still there! And if you weren't there, one or another of us would/will continue. We're all over. Can't shut us ALL up.
I do disagree with the very last part of your post*: A birth certificate would still, at this point, raise the questions:
1. How do you explain them pix?
OR (not that I believe in this option):
2. How do you explain the wild ride (Dr CBJ has to help you here, or it's no-go re credibility).
Anyway, I'm just checking in, as always, sending my support, hoping for the shift in the tectonic plates, which will reveal the volcano waiting to explode.
Maybe when the China speech happens, and we see the bootleg video of it.
________
*That's what's been so great about this blog -- we have disagreed, torn tiny bits of data apart to see what seems rock-solid and what doesn't and falls into maybe-land. And now the regular readers (or anyone who wants to go back and re-read all the posts and points of view) have a pretty good idea -- a pretty clear consensus -- of what seems absolutely true (SP was not PG), what the mountain of circumstantial evidence is, and why it matters. We have been the first to reject any weak or unsubstantiated arguments. As we should be.
I am truly grieved and horrified and mad that it has come to this, but I have faith that Audrey will make sensible moves and I await with great interest how this unfolds.
Way of Peace,
Those W quotes were really spot on. He's just gone up a tad in my estimation.
Anyone can state they are Christian, but I believe actions speak louder than words. Recall the phrase WWJD, What Would Jesus Do? These words can be useful, in thinking about our own actions, & taking responsibility for them.
I have a problem with Sarah Palins' seemingly outrageous lies, & her inability to set the record straight herself. We surely have the right, as American citizens, to command honesty of our elected leaders.
Friends,
OK, what do you call people who try to influence political or social thought by violent coercion? Terrorists. How about when they infringe upon our 1st amendment rights? Criminals. That is who we are dealing with here. They are sick, psychopathic fools.
They think Spalin is the new Esther or some crap like that. But, ultimately, she will delaminate their plans because of her laziness and simpleton nature -- to say nothing of her underlying psychopathology and web of fraudulent lies.
I’ve said a lot of this before on this site, but if this is the coda, let me state it one more time. As sure as this earth is older than 10,000 years, and as sure as microbes can cause disease, Sarah Palin is not the biological mother of Trig. That is the reason we are all here. They can terrorize Audrey, and eventually they may take down this site, but res ipsa loquitur. They can try to muzzle Audrey, but what she has so thoroughly documented is done. I doubt any of us are quitting, and short of getting rid of us all, there is little (however grand their schemes) these misguided gangsters can do.
Another twist in our road. I’ve always been intrigued by how this will unravel. But I know it will. These people are wrong, and cowardly, and infected with a disease ingrained in our DNA. They are as backward as Al Qeuda and vainglorious enough to want to install a theocracy in this country – again ignoring the tenets of our Constitution.
So stand strong Audrey, and thank you for all you have done.
But for me, I say, “Fight the Dogs”. I can celebrate my 2nd Amendment rights too.
We won’t back down.
Joe Christmas
First: I know for a fact that a Alaska birth certificate can be changed by request to Vital Statistics Dept. to reflect changed baby name and not list biological parents but add a adoptive parent(s) instead.
More Important: Audrey, husband and extended family deserve praise, loyalty and gratitude. You call the shots.
The lowlifes who think they value life more than others and attempt to show it by threats to a person, their property, privacy, or peace of mind will not win.
Justice may have setbacks, but truth has more allies. Mainstream America will be truly shocked and disgusted when they find out what the Palin family did along with and led by the John McCain 2008 campaign. Spearheaded by Republican National Committee and Right Wing Extremist Operatives.
This makes Watergate a bubble in comparison. To adopt someone elses fraud and then keep milking it for all its worth to gain political points and to divide the American citizenry is truly cynical and unpatriotic. I spit from bush Alaska on the Palin clan as well as the McCains. I don't believe them for a minute after following the campaign and then this site for a year. Participating in this site has been a priviledge and I thank all those who stuck their collective and individual necks out. Keep up the good fight and carry on the site's archives.
The XGuam Governor has been dethroned here and I believe the media lurks and this story won't stay buried much longer.
Posters need to discuss publicity of info here as well as other sister sites. The sheer hatred, hysteria, lies and lunacy since Palin had come upon the National scene needs to be drenched with clarity of truth.
Once a sno-go engine part stealer in the big race, forever a common con artist.
I'll keep coming by this site, stay dedicated friends.
Hey Dan,
I seem to bumping into Delaware natives all over the internet lately.
I hail from Bear, myself. My boyfriend lives in Claymont.
Small world.
Noble gesture, btw.
Hey Joe Christmas -- I like your Latin
res ipsa loquitur = the thing speaks for itself
Here's mine:
illigitimi noncarborundum = don't let the bastards grind you down
but my Latin, unlike yours, is fake, of course.
But both are apt! You can't make the truth go away by killing the messenger. Plus there are enough of us who care AND know the details in depth. It was always just a matter of time, once Audrey started his blog.
Once again, my best wishes to Audrey + team.
What we demand is proof (or at least conclusive evidence) of SP's pregnancy. That's the controversy for which we have strong evidence contradicting her statements.
It's also the critical issue that, if shown to be deceptive, proves an intentional cover-up by the GOP for their incredibly inept vetting. They would do so to prevent a crushingly huge electoral defeat giving Obama and the Democrats an inequivocal mandate that all the tea-bagger protests could not overcome.
Further, it would show that MSM cannot be trusted to explore these issues thoroughly and impartially, and that they can be rolled by clever operatives.
So far, the only response to valid inquiries is "How dare you ask!" per Andrew Sullivan. Well, I dare.
Dan
If anyone has read the latest Vanity Fair magazine article where Levi was interviewed, it would seem this article would pretty much burst the balloon about this pregnancy theory.
If it were true that Palin lied about it, I'm pretty sure that Levi would have told...I mean, he's told every other dirty little secret about the Palins.
He is persona non grata in that household so he has nothing to lose.
And I'm thinking that since there has been no activity on this blog in a month, this story is going to just fade away.
It seemed plausible in the beginning, but now that we know what a narcissist this woman is, the crazy way she handled this pregnancy doesn't seem to be out of character for her.
Pathos: How can you say there's no activity on this blog? What do you think this is? Many of us have spent a year looking for the truth and trying to get it exposed. That time has not and will not be wasted.
There are other sites where we can explore. As long as there is a chance that this fraud will be perpetuated, we'll be there.
"There are other sites where we can explore. As long as there is a chance that this fraud will be perpetuated, we'll be there."
I would love links to these other sites. And I certainly hope somebody has carefully gone through this blog, AND all the comments, and saved it all- so it isn't lost. If I knew how to do it, I would do it myself.
I've never thought that SP would be "brought down" by Babygate. I've just thought it was annoying that she thinks the rest of the world is as stupid as she is (evidently true, when it comes to the MSM). I think she's pretty much effectively been brought down by her own greed, self-aggrandizement, and inflated sense of self-worth- in addition to her ignorance and sheer stupidity. After all, a year ago she was considered (by some) a viable candidate for the Vice-Presidency. In only a year, she is obviously a failed candidate, a failed ex-governor, a quitter, a coward, a liar,a poor mother,a poor excuse for a human being (her ugly references to Trig) and the next Big Thing on her agenda is to talk to a bunch of financiers who have a history of inviting flakes to speak to them for comic relief. (I am torn between thinking somebody ought to tell her about this out of kindness, and thinking possibly it would be kinder to let her keep her illusions- but then, eventually she WILL hear that they hire people for comic relief, and maybe she'll realize that's what she is? Would it hurt her more to be told now, or to allow her to find it out later? And do I really care?)
I can't really think that she will ever again be anything but a conservative's wet dream. And she is apt to think that's a good thing to be.
I'm just checking in too, because I believe that there is so much more to the story, and this is where information was gathered in one spot by so many people -- not just one person. Thank you, Audrey, for being there to help us try to make sense out of nonsense! We appreciate everything you've done. Thanks for the rest of you for being here too! And Morgan for being such a great moderator.
Thanks for clueing us in to what is going on, Morgan. I am really sorry to hear Audrey and her family have been threatened, and I hope she is in contact with some of the others who have felt Palin's wrath so she knows what to expect and how to handle herself. I really miss the blog, I am not a regular commenter, but I read the site rregularly and always looked forward to the well composed entries. Good Luck and stay safe,
I'll really miss this.
I'm still checking in almost daily, hoping Audrey is ok.
I don't comment very oftn, but have been reading here since early on--must be close to a year now?
{{{Audrey}}}deignes
I'm still here everyday Audrey, it's been a long slog, but worth every minute.
Stay safe, my WV is Wammo, that's what we need now.
**FROM THE MODERATOR**
Midnightcajun,
Could you please email me at thetokenhippie@gmail.com
C'mon people, the MSM has not picked up on the babygate story because our media is not free.
My opinion of Vanity Fair Magazine has really slipped since the Levi article.
Perhaps they should take a lesson from the National Enquirer and give ..."Lie Detector Tests"...to the people they interview!
Also, Audrey, take care.
To Morgan re: your last comment
About the Palin followers pushing her to just provide "proof" so the story is over
I have often wondered why one of them doesn't just start up a
Trig is Palin's son blog
with a timeline/photos.. just like on here .. except flipped as to prove he is her son
Noone has done that..
but I am sure there were many attempts
I bet they got a little into it.. with the photos.. ect..and was like ah blah.. this is impossible to prove
INTERESTING:
Scott Woodham reports in today's Alaska Dispatch that the bidder in question is best-selling author and notable Palinographer Joe McGinniss.
McGinniss is among the top-two bidders in that now-famous eBay auction for a foursome dinner date with Palin. He's bid $59,999.99 to dine with Our Lady of the North.
The ecstatic subject line to an email McGinniss sent to AlaskaDispatch.com Thursday night read, "I'm going for the knockout blow! (mostly because I like the 'FREE shipping' guarantee)."
Winning the auction would be a boon to McGinniss, who says in his email, "I think such a dinner would be the perfect way to kick off the reporting for my new book: Sarah Palin's Year of Living Dangerously. (To be published by Broadway/Random House in fall of 2011.)"
A CASE OF THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE...
if the GOP is worried about MICHELE BACHMANN, i am sure her ALASKA TWIN makes these hypocrites cringe too:
GOP Leadership Worried About Damage To GOP's Reputation From Bachmann
Eric Kleefeld | September 17, 2009,
The Politico reports that House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) and Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) are worried about the potential damage to the party's reputation from a certain back-bencher: Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN).
This paragraph is buried deep within their latest piece on Boehner's efforts to keep up with the GOP base:
Sources say they [Boehner and Cantor] have been especially wary of the possible damage inflicted on the party's reputation by bomb-throwing Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), who last fall called for an investigation into whether members of Congress are "pro-America or anti-America."
They certainly are in a bind when it comes to Bachmann. On the one hand, the base loves her and she's frequently invited on television. On the other hand, she calls for revolution and warns against the government using Census data to round people up into internment camps. What's a body to do?
Why, oh why, did Joe McGinniss write to the Alaska Dispatch and why, oh, why did the AD publish this bit of information which led to his being knocked out of the bidding.... darn.
wv=amphsp woah--amphetamines Sarah Palin?
you betcha?
Way of Peace,
Boner and Candor are worried about the party's "reputation"........
hahahahahahahahahaha.
Audrey, I'm so sorry to hear that you have been threatened. I hope you can come back to us soon.
Readers, I recommend the August issue of Vanity Fair (as well as the September issue); it contains an interesting article about Sarah. Unfortunately it acceptors her story of Trig's birth without question. It doesn't even say "Sarah says..." or "allegedly." Grr.
The August issue is off the newsstands, but I read it at the library; perhaps you can, too.
I agree with the readers who say that the offer to adopt Tripp makes no sense, given Sarah's potential job as VP and her hands full with Trig. I believe this was a story about Trig, modified to be about Tripp, just as I believe this about some other Tripp stories and pictures.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/20/us/politics/20edwards.html?_r=2 or http://tinyurl.com/kvvx3a
Now when is the Media going to go after and uncover the sordid details about $arah Palin the way they have after John Edwards?
I mean faking a pregnancy to cover for her daughter (making sure her "Family Values" were intact all so she could climb her way to the top of the Political heap) and then use that special needs baby for her own advantage at every opportunity she could do so, is every bit as unsavory as John Edwards denying his own daughter and affair while his wife is fighting cancer, IMHO.
I mean, how is this any different?
"Once the favorite son of much of North Carolina with many supporters beyond, John Edwards is now largely disdained. To many, it was not only his liaison with Ms. Hunter, but also what seemed his elaborate effort to cover up his behavior to preserve his political ambitions."
Audrey & Morgan, sorry I've been out of the loop lately on this story. I will add my best wishes to you and yours, stay safe.
wv: AUDREY: Authentic,
Umbilical cord to facts,
Democracy in blog activism,
R.A.T.:Right ActiOn Truth,
Embraced by Intelligent Panel,
You Betcha,Palin is a Fraud!
Palin Deception Blog verifies
Truth for TRIG and Proud of it.
Does Hong Kong Word Salad come with eggroll?
Still loving y'all and spreading the word.
This makes me sick. If Palin thinks she has won and this all is going away, she's wrong.
The sad thing is she's probably feeling pretty powerful, and she's not. She is a vindictive, small timer who is having her 20 minutes of fame...unfortunatly, the 20 minutes has gone on too long...but it will end.
Dear Audrey,
I'm so so sorry you have been touched personally. Lots of people seem to have moved over to Palingates or Bree Palin but we all - I'm sure I speak for others - miss you, your authenticity, consistency, honor and ethics. It seems unjust that you're suffering and she's flying high, but it's just a matter of time and patience.
pat, an ex-pat in greece
be sure to check BREE PALIN's newest post:
she has posted a FAUX NOISE video that shows QUITTER-LIAR-GREEDY-LOOPY sarah as flat as a pancake on APRIL 8, 2008!
Be sure to see the new video here. It's WONDERFUL proof.
http://breepalin.blogspot.com/
is still on the case with new stills from the stairwell video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OatmLVStFCw&feature=PlayList&p=13CB44843CE8D720&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9
at about the 7:49 - 7:57 mark, Hawaii governor (who was at the April 2008 energy conf. in Texas, with out girl Sarah) says Sarah filled in speaking "at the last minute" -- Sarah has said she was determined to go there and speak...
herkimer
A new (to me) blog of very high quality. I heartily recommend it. Lots of links and original sources.
I miss you, Audrey, Morgan, and the whole team
Some food for thought.
The definition of the word "ROGUE"
= NOUN =
1. An unprincipled, deceitful, and unreliable person; a scoundrel or rascal.
2. One who is playfully mischievous; a scamp.
3. A wandering beggar; a vagrant.
4. A vicious and solitary animal, especially an elephant that has separated itself from its herd.
5. An organism, especially a plant, that shows an undesirable variation from a standard.
=ADJECTIVE =
1. Vicious and solitary. Used of an animal, especially an elephant.
2. Large, destructive, and anomalous or unpredictable: a rogue wave; a rogue tornado.
3. Operating outside normal or desirable controls: "How could a single rogue trader bring down an otherwise profitable and well-regarded institution?"
= TRANSITIVE VERB =
1. To defraud.
BINGO, SARAH PALIN!!!!
You've scored 100% in the title of your "book"
Amy1 writes: A new (to me) blog of very high quality. I heartily recommend it. Lots of links and original sources.
I'll say! Thanks mucho.
I totally agree, Amy1! Thank you for posting the link on BreePalin. It blows my mind that this man posted such a clear argument against SPalin being Trig's mother over a year ago.
Anyone who cares about the deranged and cruel fraud of Trig Palin's birth needs to read Clues in the "Who-is-Trig's-Mother" Mystery by Philosopher Jay.
Thanks, Amy1. And I'll be seeing you anywhere else the truth is.
I FOR ONE HOPE EVERYONE CONTINUES TO DO AT LAST A PERIODIC SUMMARY POST HERE- TO KEEP THIS SITE ALIVE AND PAY TRIBUTE TO OUR LEADER!
Bree (BreePalin.blogspot.com) has some great visual comparisons of Sarah's pregnancy with real ones.
Love your book post, Morgan.
Thanks, B. I've been wanting to do a book cover spoof since Sarah announced her upcoming fairy tale collection. I'm so glad you liked it. It was a lot of fun to do.
Good morning all.
Great work by everyone involved.
I love it! Levi is posing for Playgirl.
Doncha know Tacky Sarah is having a big fat fit.
wv: relide. We relied on Audrey, et al. to keep us straight, to keep us civil. Best wishes to all!
this news is SOOOO GOOd and thus deserves to be posted and archived at PD: SARAH IS HISTORY, from political footnote to seen as a pathogen by other GOPers.
from POLITICO: Palin notably absent from gov. races / Jonathan Martin
Sarah Palin stands ready to stump for the Republican gubernatorial candidates running in the two most closely watched campaigns in the country this fall, but neither seems to want her help. ...
Palin is the only one of the most talked-about potential 2012 presidential candidates who has not yet campaigned for either Republican candidate.
Given her loyal following among many in the party’s grass roots, it’s Palin who could surely draw the largest crowd and perhaps raise the most money for the two candidates — her book, “Going Rogue,” is already the No. 1 best-seller on Amazon, more than a month before it’s even released.
“The governor offered her assistance with both races,” said Palin adviser Meg Stapleton. “The ball is in their court.”
Neither GOP campaign wanted to discuss why they didn’t want Palin in the state — to say so would offend the conservative base that both Christie and McDonnell are counting on, not just to vote for them but to also volunteer time in the crucial final weeks of the election. ...
Yet the two Republican candidates have welcomed outside help from GOP luminaries. Potential 2012 rivals Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, and Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty have been to both states, and McDonnell has also welcomed such conservatives as former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal.
Privately, Republicans aides in Virginia and New Jersey fret that a Palin appearance with their candidates could offend swing voters who are turned off by the polarizing Alaskan
Aside from the fact that Palin was inadequately vetted for the job that is a heart beat away from the US Presidency, what bothers me most about the Palin hoax is the cynical mobilization of people with Down Syndrome and their families for their symbolic value in presumably supporting Palin's politics.
People afflicted with DS have been mobilized and used as presumptive supporters of this figure and title simply because she “has” a DS child, as if she is or would ever be their champion. This makes the actual facts about whether or not she gave birth to him, whether she had any heart-rending and gut-wrenching decisions to face personally – not just one or two people away from it personally-- is a very big deal indeed. I'm sure it is difficult to learn that one's daughter, or son's girlfriend, is expecting a child with Down Syndrome, but if you went through it personally, in my opinion, you wouldn't use the term that the learning of it made you “sad.” You might more likely say that it devastated you.
I seriously doubt if any mother of a DS baby did not take one day off after the birth of such a child.
And Palin's embroideries and lies – specifically the one made up on the hot seat about the plane ride and car ride, a very long trip to an exceptionally easy birth, “in fact the easiest;” her bald-faced lie about how a woman (or rather, she herself, superstar) can work as governor, raise a DS child, and chew gum at the same time; “her” waffling consideration of abortion following “pre-natal testing” – are fiction. To suggest that her political stance, her religious views, or any plank in her party's platform (health care, genetic research, stem cell research, anyone) is or would be beneficial for individuals with DS or other developmental delays is outrageous. She proposed herself as, and was made by Republican image makers to symbolize, someone who is on the side of people with DS. Yet she has done nothing for anyone but herself. To see DS adults stand with placards made for them and wear “Trig” T-shirts, as if she would be an advocate for their needs, means that someone has mobilized them en masse to back her, not her back them. Just to compare, Eunice Shriver was not out to aggrandize herself, to buff her national image, and did not allow herself to be used to garner votes from families affected by birth defects.
Really, what would have been the disadvantage to her for saying that she and her husband adopted Trig. That would have been altruistic, even legal. Even if some embarrassing or distasteful details of how and with whom he was conceived were to come to light, at least adopting him would be doing the right thing. But legal adoptions take time, and cannot be accomplished on a self-serving timetable. All parties need to agree to let go of rights to and claims on the child to let the adoption take place. Letting this amount of time pass to that eventuality would have been fruitless for Palin's VP selection campaign, or for the election mass manipulation process. But to fake a belly, fake a birth, fake contractions, fake a momentary consideration of abortion, fake pangs of remorse, fake hair, fake a flute solo, fake and fake and fake again: that defines her.
Children and adults with Down Syndrome deserve better. They have very varied needs, individually and by age grouping. Families with members with DS are desperately in need of a health care system that addresses their needs. Palin is not the answer, especially if she has lied to the nation about her relationship to her DS child.– lied particularly to families with big issues relating to their child's care. There is no doubt that her family is raising Trig, perhaps TP more than anyone. But it is equally clear that she uses this group of people and their families for her own purposes, not to assist them as a group, or represent them in any way, but to raise her own profile. Getting rich is just a side benefit.
Aside from the fact that Palin was inadequately vetted for the job that is a heart beat away from the US Presidency, what bothers me most about the Palin hoax is the cynical mobilization of people with Down Syndrome and their families for their symbolic value in presumably supporting Palin's politics.
People afflicted with DS have been mobilized and used as presumptive supporters of this figure and title simply because she “has” a DS child, as if she is or would ever be their champion. This makes the actual facts about whether or not she gave birth to him, whether she had any heart-rending and gut-wrenching decisions to face personally – not just one or two people away from it personally-- is a very big deal indeed. I'm sure it is difficult to learn that one's daughter, or son's girlfriend, is expecting a child with Down Syndrome, but if you went through it personally, in my opinion, you wouldn't use the term that the learning of it made you “sad.” You might more likely say that it devastated you.
I seriously doubt if any mother of a DS baby did not take one day off after the birth of such a child.
And Palin's embroideries and lies – specifically the one made up on the hot seat about the plane ride and car ride, a very long trip to an exceptionally easy birth, “in fact the easiest;” her bald-faced lie about how a woman (or rather, she herself, superstar) can work as governor, raise a DS child, and chew gum at the same time; “her” waffling consideration of abortion following “pre-natal testing” – are fiction. To suggest that her political stance, her religious views, or any plank in her party's platform (health care, genetic research, stem cell research, anyone) is or would be beneficial for individuals with DS or other developmental delays is outrageous. She proposed herself as, and was made by Republican image makers to symbolize, someone who is on the side of people with DS. Yet she has done nothing for anyone but herself. To see DS adults stand with placards made for them and wear “Trig” T-shirts, as if she would be an advocate for their needs, means that someone has mobilized them en masse to back her, not her back them. Just to compare, Eunice Shriver was not out to aggrandize herself, to buff her national image, and did not allow herself to be used to garner votes from families affected by birth defects.
Really, what would have been the disadvantage to her for saying that she and her husband adopted Trig. That would have been altruistic, even legal. Even if some embarrassing or distasteful details of how and with whom he was conceived were to come to light, at least adopting him would be doing the right thing. But legal adoptions take time, and cannot be accomplished on a self-serving timetable. All parties need to agree to let go of rights to and claims on the child to let the adoption take place. Letting this amount of time pass to that eventuality would have been fruitless for Palin's VP selection campaign, or for the election mass manipulation process. But to fake a belly, fake a birth, fake contractions, fake a momentary consideration of abortion, fake pangs of remorse, fake hair, fake a flute solo, fake and fake and fake again: that defines her.
Children and adults with Down Syndrome deserve better. They have very varied needs, individually and by age grouping. Families with members with DS are desperately in need of a health care system that addresses their needs. Palin is not the answer, especially if she has lied to the nation about her relationship to her DS child.– lied particularly to families with big issues relating to their child's care. There is no doubt that her family is raising Trig, perhaps TP more than anyone. But it is equally clear that she uses this group of people and their families for her own purposes, not to assist them as a group, or represent them in any way, but to raise her own profile. Getting rich is just a side benefit.
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