I am posting this in response for the increasing calls that I accept money (mostly via Paypal donations) for the work I am doing on the blog, and also so a P.I. can be hired to go to Alaska and investigate the story.
I am very fortunate to be at a position in my life where I can afford to take on a project like this on my own dime. I originally became interested in this story, not because of any feelings or doubts about Sarah Palin per se ... I had never even heard of her... but because as a childbirth educator and a natural childbirth advocate, I have been disgusted and frustrated through the years over the constant and chronic misreporting of childbirth and childbirth related stories in the main stream media. My original interest in Sarah Palin was very "one dimensional;" I assumed that some moron of a male reporter had gotten that birth story wrong, since, of course, it could not have really happened that way. It was only a bit later -when I came to understand that that was in fact "her story and she was sticking to it," that I started digging deeper, leading to... today.
But I digress.
As I said, I am in a financial position that I can put my time and energy into this, and I am choosing to do so. I believe that by not taking any money at all for anything, I keep things "cleaner," and this is how I will continue to operate.
Just as an aside, on the question of a private investigator: Obviously, hiring such an individual would be an enormously expensive task. I think all would agree that a local "man" could not be used, since, while I am sure anyone who was asked would protest that they were "fair, balanced, and unbiased," anyone from the local area could potentially have strong feelings about Gov. Palin (either pro OR con). Even if the person WAS completely unbiased, no one would ever believe that, and I think results would basically be worthless to the public at large.
This would leave bringing someone in from the outside, an impressively expensive task, considering a plane ticket from anywhere in the "Lower 48" (without, say, a two week advance purchase) would run at least $1000.00... and that's just to start. Then there would be the car rental, the daily rate, the hotel. Such a venture could easily top $10,000... and frankly, I doubt it would have much effect.
I have never mentioned this on the blog before, but I know of a rather prominent and well-funded free lance journalist who, in September, did exactly what we are proposing... flew to Wasilla on his own dime. He poked around for days... going to the hospital... trying to get people to talk to him. He tried to interview anyone from the Johnston family - no luck. He was unsuccessful in getting a single person who was willing to go on the record to say either that they knew Trig WAS Sarah's OR that they knew he was NOT.
After five days, he went home, though his final comment on the experience to me has always stuck with me. What troubled him the most was "how afraid everyone is of her."
So... to repeat... while I appreciate more than anyone can know the level of concern that people have shown (and the many kind letters of thanks I have received) I have made the decision not to accept financial backing of any sort for continuing to do this. Furthermore, many people have mentioned a "book deal" to me. This is the farthest thing from my mind, and not a goal at all, though I am enough of a realist to know that - depending on the outcome here - it's not an impossibility.
So I am making this statement here, now, publicly. Should that ever happen, any revenue I receive from any book will be used as follows: First, I have several "volunteers" who have helped my in my research enormously. Some of their names you know... others have stayed behind the scenes. I would use some of the revenue to provide a benefit to them as my way of saying thank you; a cruise or vacation of some sort for the whole group. However, any additional revenue beyond this will be donated to an apolitical cause that would have relevance to this issue: support for rape victims in Alaska, perhaps, or research on Down's Syndrome.
Audrey
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Hello!
Sarah Palin did talk about the continued Trig rumours and fake pregnancy,during the interview with Matt Lauer on Nov 11, 2008.
http://tinyurl.com/557dd8
Again, she talked about it during the interview with Larry King on CNN on Nov 13, 2008
http://tinyurl.com/9v5ww3
That video that is posted was Sarah coming into her office, not leaving the hospital, and I'll tell you Trig does not look one bit premature, or really newborn...he looks about a month old, and defnitely more than 6 pounds...very telling
Now that Sarah's house of cards is coming down, and the reported of cajunboy's story is known, just thought you migh like a little nugget Sherry gave to People mag...just got mine today...my guilty pleasure....
Tha article talks about how Bristol has lots of baby sitting experience then quotes Sherry:
"Levi's mom says Bristol isn't the only one with experience. After the birth of Trig, who has Downs Syndrome, "Levi would help out, " says Sherry, 42, who is savoring Tripp's birth even as she faces charges of selling OxyContin."
Article continues...
"In their first weeks as parents, Levi and Bristol shared parenting duties. By day, says Sherry, they tended to Tripp and sorted through gifts from well-wishers; by night they traded off diaper detail and the task of soothing a crying baby."
All weird, no...so Levi is the rare teenage boy who actually helped out with his girfriend's mother's DS baby? Now living with the Palin's and Bristol, but supposedly was on the North Slope?
It is just such a convoluted mess!
mc-midnightcajun:
Actually, this is the first time in quite a while I have heard her specifically talk about the continued Trig rumours, and for more than one sentence.
(Perhaps someone knows of more times in recent months she has specifically talked about the Bristol-Trig rumours.)
She usually just implies it within a general comment about attacks on her family.
The thing she usually goes on and on about is her political victimization.
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I guess to be more accurate, I should ask how often in the last few months Sarah has specifically referred to the "Trig isn't my baby" rumours as opposed to the "Bristol-Trig" rumours.
Okay, I think I may have exceeded my daily maximum of comments!
Audrey, great blog, I love reading it. I was reading the Attack Crowes blog this morning and they had a nice piece on your website. And it made me think, her story has never made sense, its a fishy story to say the least. I think its on the back of everyone's mind still, but everyone is waiting to see another piece of evidence before they start digging again.
Keep up the good work.
In case any of you haven't seen this. I just love this video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubgv6WrsEKI&feature=related
I just watched much of the Sarah Palin interview that was released yesterday and it's CRYSTAL CLEAR that she's worried about this very blog. Who else would the "anonymous bloggers" be about whom she is so contemptuous?
Audrey, Patrick et al: Keep up the pressure, the info-distribution and the overall great, ethical journalism.
And please: we've been saying on this blog for weeks that any real break is going to come when the mainstream media becomes involved. They are certainly involved today, especially in light of her psycho press release and especially b/c of the editor's blog on the ADN. Let's email our support to that editor. There's a clear link on his page to do so.
Craig:
SP speaks to Matt Lauer and Greta Van Susteren about the Trig gossip. In the first video it comes at the start, in the second it's the last bit.
http://tinyurl.com/8yerdh
You'll find the videos halfway down the page.
ADN (McClatchy Newspapers) is sending a reporter to investigate the Trig birth circumstances and the questions about his birth?
Link to Story
SP talking about Hillary Clinton:
"I think she does herself a disservice...you have to plough through it...you have to know what you're into...any kind of perceived whine about that excess criticism...that doesn't do us any good...it bothers me hearing her bring that attention on herself."
As I sort of promised earlier, I did a little analysis of a frame from the Elan Frank video of Sarah Palin. The interview took place just a few days before the alleged birth of Trig. Sarah thumps or thwacks her belly with both hands in it.
Link to my blog post and pictures here.
Comments appreciated.
Craig:
Re CBJ and the ADN.
Since CBJ is quoted in the 4/22 article, I think it's reasonable to assume that SP gave CBJ permission to speak with the ADN re Trig's birth (or at least answer some number of questions).
SP allowing contact with doctor(s) is also suggested in the Byron York 9/1 conversation with the editor from ADN.
Yeah, I noticed her quickly STRIDING into the room in that video taken "three days" after birth, and had to laugh, too. My second child was born in 45 minutes flat--one of the world's easiest births. I was 35 years old, and have pictures of me just weeks before the birth scrambling around mountaintop Crusader castles in the Middle East (where I was living as an expat at the time). Three days after the birth, I forced myself to attend my older daughter's school concert. Let me tell you, it HURT.
Notice her winking smile when she says, "God chose us to be his parents"? Right.
http://www.actressarchives.com/news.php?id=14123
Why is Sherry Johnston saying Tripp was born on December 2nd?
Is it a typo / reporting mistake, or just the Palin clan's way of speaking in 1000 different voices so nobody is wiser for anything heard?
Ennealogic,
OH, MY! another nail in the coffin.
the lie becomes more onbious when one contrasts her pregnant belly with the real deal.
your is the type of graphic argument that we need to put out. like you say, good pictures are worth thousands of words.
Ennealogic, fanstastic analysis of the video shot, and I'm sure you know that's the second Spongebob sighting (Audrey, main blog). Looks like SP might have just fashioned a sofa pillow for the job. She is so busted, your work is so great.
I just hope the ending isn't tragic...only corrective and restorative. When it's over she needs 1)to be with her children day in and day out; 2)take frank stock of herself and the chaos in herself/her life; 3) educate herself; and 4) keep out of the spotlight, for good.
Regarding the video with SP, First Dude and Trig on 4/22. Watch the first part when the video of SP, FD and Trig is in a window with Gusty in camera. Starting at 27 seconds, Todd moves towards SP and makes a motion to hand her Trig. SP actually shrugs her shoulders and looks away! Only after looking directly at the camera does she move towards Trig and touch him.
OK, so maybe Trig just bit her nipple breastfeeding or she was peeved at Todd because he wouldn't change the poopy diaper. But what a particularly odd reaction for a public figure, especially one who hid her pregnancy from everyone up until approx 6 weeks before that. I bet a psychologist could have a field day with those few seconds of video.
I always found it odd during the campaign that SP didn't seem to have a physical connection with Trig. Starting with the day McCain announced her, the other kids were usually the ones toting Trig around (including down the stairs of the plane, Piper being the most photographed carrying Trig), and even Todd didn't carry Trig much. When SP did carry him, it was if she was lugging around a sack of potatoes (no disrespect meant to Trig).
SP certainly is one odd duck when it comes to demonstrating "motherly love".
I just watched David Shuster, MSNBC, interview John Ziegler, the guy who shot the recent documentary of Sarah Palin. It was Ziegler who released 8 or 9 minutes (of 50 minutes that he has shot)to YouTube (looking for attention and publicity? Mission Accomplished). David interviewed him yesterday (missed it), but it there was such an angry exchange that it was continued today. David's first question was blunt: "Did Sarah Palin ever take any responsibility for the interviews that she gave to Katie Couric?" Ziegler became defensive, increasingly angry, dodged answering by addressing any other issues,but several things became clear through the interview.
Ziegler is an unabashed Palin fan, adoring her before she was selected to as VP nominee. The purpose of his documentary is to show the liberal media bias (against her) which resulted in the election of Obama. Polls be damned, numbers don't count, Ziegler has already gotten into arguments with Nat Silver (538, whose election polls were really accurate.) In the interview, Palin is under the impression that others as well will be interviewed for the documentary (about media bias)-- so isn't Ziegler "using" or "exploiting" Palin the same way that Tina Fey, Katie Couric and others exploited her?
Back to David Shuster-- although he asked the question several times, he never learned if Sarah Palin took any responsibility for the interviews she gave. Angrily, Ziegler accused Shuster of not doing his "homework." So Shuster said, "OK, she reads the New York Times and USA Today.Did you make sure by asking her what was the front page story of the Times today?" Ziegler wanted to know why he would ask such a question. Shuster explained that in a documentary, one has to ascertain the reliability of the material, did she read today's New York Times? Ziegler's only response was to accuse MSNBC of being biased for Obama, he never would insult Palin by asking her such a question.
We learned several things: Ziegler's documentary (if or when it ever shows up) has a bias of its own,and so far, Sarah Palin has not accepted responsibility for any of the interviews that she gave during the campaign.
The video clip of SP and TP showing off the "newborn" Trig when SP returned to work is really, really interesting. As the other commenters have stated, the body language is strange, indeed. I wish I knew how to read microexpressions--this would be the perfect video to read.
Have you ever seen a brand new mother act so NON-maternal? I know she was "at work" but her lack of connection to Trig is obvious.
Also, as mentioned above, Trig looks MUCH older than 3-4 days old and SP does NOT look or act like a44 year old woman who just gave birth and is up nights with a newborn (i.e. tired)(or connected to her newborn by natural hormones).
Audrey or other medical or childbirth experts, do you have any insights into what is shown on the video? I think you would have insight that the average person wouldn't.
Gusty gushes so much, I think she's showing us that she is in SP's inner circle.
http://tinyurl.com/8f3d63
Ain't the internet awesome?
Sarah's press release said, " In another case, an irresponsible talk show host in Anchorage alleged in a newspaper column that the governor must have intervened to get a job for her future son-in-law, circumventing eligibility rules for the position. Again, the allegation was immediately discredited by proof that the governor did not influence Levi’s employment."
What proof? Sarah said she just wrote a letter and Levi's dad said he got Levi the job. That's proof?
FW quoted: ""In their first weeks as parents, Levi and Bristol shared parenting duties. By day, says Sherry, they tended to Tripp and sorted through gifts from well-wishers; by night they traded off diaper detail and the task of soothing a crying baby."
All weird, no...so Levi is the rare teenage boy who actually helped out with his girfriend's mother's DS baby? Now living with the Palin's and Bristol, but supposedly was on the North Slope?
It is just such a convoluted mess!
January 9, 2009 1:33 PM
"In their first weeks as parents"
SJ just gave it away there!!! Tripp as of the time of that interview was not much more than a couple of days old - heck, he would be TWO WEEKS OLD TODAY!!!!!
he other part, about Levi helping at night, and being at the same time up on the North Slopes somewhere is just icing on the cake, IMHO.
CHRIS (tweedy bird) MATHEWS is swooning over SP.
he is such a lightweight.
When Palin was first introduced to America, the Republicans were in such a hurry to erase Obama's fine moment of his acceptance speech, that the brought her out the next morning. That was back when some of the reporters didn't even know how to pronounce her name, the stage was hers and the slate was blank. She is the one who, striding out and opening her mouth, created the persona of Sarah Palin that she presented to the world--somthing she now blames on everyone else.
That first speech, she started out likeable enough, so to speak, and then began insulting Obama--before she had established enough of a foundation to start slinging the mud. That's what first put me off, her vile words straight. Then as the facts of her practices--hunting from helicopters, the crazy baby delivery story, the Troopergate details, etc,--began, er leaking out, she began to look worse and worse. This was still before she anounced the news about Bristol's pregnancy. Then she spewed her race-baiting, class-conscious hatred throughout the campaign, as well as her ignorance--and her refusal to answer questions, even at the V-P debate (which was really shocking), that she winked and mugged through. And now she's blaming the media?
It's important we remember what happened and how it happened. And that she had every opportunity to present herself to an American public that was curious and interested. She is to blame for our perceptions about her, not us.
Audrey and/or Morgan,
I'm not familiar with how blogging works. When someone posts a message, do you know from where it originates via the IP address?
Just curious how many posts might actually be from Alaska.
RW, thanks for this from People Mag: "In their first weeks as parents, Levi and Bristol shared parenting duties. By day, says Sherry, they tended to Tripp and sorted through gifts from well-wishers; by night they traded off diaper detail and the task of soothing a crying baby."
Tripp would have been only a week old when Sherry was interviewed. He would be just two weeks tomorrow. Levi has been home from the slopes less than one week, hasn't he?
There haven't been any "weeks," plural, for them to parent Tripp much less to parent together. Just as with the "looks like Levi" comment, Sherry must be talking about their baby Trig.
Sarah let the same cat out of the bag talking about Bristol and Levi busting their butts parenting, working, and going to school, when Tripp had been around only a few days and school was out!
Plus, Levi must be "living in sin" under Sarah's roof, since Ziegler says Bristol is there. I don't care, but some values voters might. Or maybe they married secretly before Trig was born, but to reveal that now would reinforce that they are Trig's parents.
"In the video of SP and Todd coming out of the hospital (supposedly the day Trig was released/born) Todd carried Trig. Sarah would not come close to them and even gives trig and Todd a bit of a dirty look, until she see's the camera's. Then suddenly she does this, leaning over trig thing and touches him and it all looks so...fake."
That's an awfully brisk stride for somebody who's just given birth a couple of days before. Also, she looks awfully rested for having a new baby- I certainly didn't have the energy to style my hair in an updo shortly after childbirth.
And yeah, the way she poked at that kid. I know the yearning to enfold the baby you've carried for nine (or eight, supposedly, in this case), and I'd expect her to reach out and take the baby and hold him, or lay a hand protectively over him. That poking, jabbing finger just didn't look like nurturing to me. IMO, of course.
just watched the GUSTY video on the first day at work with TRIG.
where can one begin after watching such farce???
LISA called it: her whole demeanor was NON-MATERNAL. it was more like a stranger being polite and just barely touching the infant.
SP is a P H O N Y!
nauseously so.
Interesting: I just went to http://tinyurl.com/9c3f27, and at the end, there were credits to the audio and video, given to ERIK Hill...
I vaguely remember people wondering earlier on the blog who that was (I don't remember under what circumstances it was, but had to do with some pics of SP) - well, it turns out ERIK is a WOMAN! Listen to the video yourself...
Is it just me, or does anyone else thing Gusty looks MUCH heavier in the April 22 video than she does in the "April 13" massively-pregnant-Sarah still? Lately she seems to have slimmed down a lot. August would have been half way.
But then, I'm one of those who thinks Sarah's hair is highlighted to a much lighter shade in the real March/April photos than in the 3 Amigos shots.
regina,
True enough about the cluster of interviews that Sarah did within a few days period of time in November with Lauer, Greta and King.
I will say that my statement was geared toward a remark being made that she just keeps bringing up the Trig issue, in other words, as if she is always trying to interject or initiate talk about it. She was actually responding to direct questions such as "What do you feel were the biggest misconceptions about you" or "Are there any other things that the media brought up that needed correction" and so on.
I would think that as a woman and mother, if you assume that she really is Trig's mother, then anyone could understand that that would be a particularly galling and offensive example for her to bring up as exhibit A.
I would agree that the body language in the 4/21 video is weird. But I'm believers like many people here so I could easily be reading things into it. Still, it's definitely a staged little show off of Trig.
A little off topic but I find it surprising that Todd was hoping for Trig to wait two days and be born on April 20 (same as Track). I have a son born on that day and I hate it. I found out from the Columbine kids that this is Hitler's birthday! The AIP that Todd loves so much is definitely to the right of things.
In looking at this, I also came across the theory that Sarah was pregnant with Track before they were married. I guess pre-marital pregnancy is a Palin trend.
WOW--how have we never seen that video of SP leaving the hospital before?? As someone who has birthed two children--both smaller than Trig--no way, no WAY, NO WAY she could glide into the room like that! Stuff...down there hurts and swells for a few days. I mean, you can walk albeit gingerly. Surely Audrey can attest to this. Sorry but--uh-huh. No way. NO WAY.
P.S. Did anyone get People magazine this week? Article about the Palin's and Bristol with nary a photo of Tripp (although I do sorta think he was born)
Ennealogic,
Excellent work! On a much earlier posting, I was the one who suggested that more analysis needed to be done on this Elan Frank screen shot. I love how you juxtaposed what a real pregnant belly looks like next to her square one!
The next comparison that would be very remarkable (I believe) is to compare what 6 lb premie babies look like next to a screen shot of Trig in this video http://tinyurl.com/8f3d63
(where Todd is holding him). I have a feeling that it will be quite telling!
JJ
To Littl’ Me…I have said in the past that I believe ERIK to be a girl. I have dial-up and can’t see any of the video…so good catch. Have you found out anything about Erik Hill from the internet? I, for one, think that everyone should be focusing on the “players” in the photos! Audrey & Company, keep up the pressure!
I've just found your fascinating blog, and I'm pleased I'm definitely not the only person still wondering. I gather that Tripp may be a phantom baby when in fact Bristol gave birth months ago to Trigg. But why deny that Bristol was pregnant--create a whole fabric of lies to cover up the pregnancy--only to falsify another pregnancy later? I don't see anything significantly different about Trigg's birth date compared to Tripp's. Bristol was still as minor and a single mom either way. Second question: if Tripp isn't real, then hasn't Palin created a person's public identity which will then result in either a confession of the hoax or a "missing person" case? A small child can be kept away from the media, but ultimately, if you claim the child exists, it has to be documented, seen in school, taken to church (surely Palin's family would have to do that), etc. I know that Palin is the master of obtaining false testimony, but it will get much harder to fake this child down the road.
"My very busy doctor" already "set the record straight for you" Palin emailed (unbidden) the editor of the ADN. And, as Craig perceptively points out, who is that "You" and how was this record set straight? When I read the piece in the ADN this morning, I had to laugh at Palin's audacity, and I did find that wording odd. But mulling over Craig's comment has really made me think that there is something more here. A CBJ communication that we don't know about???
The posts here have been informative and questioning, some of the photographic analysis is provocative--but I find the intellectual curiosity of most of the blog posts to be stimulating. I don't think there is any evidence of "nutty nutcases." And why didn't the ADN acknowledge this story's long gestation when CajunBoy gave a hint that they had been working on something????
--Mary G.
I emailled my support to the ADN editor and the mentioned reporter if they have been getting a lot of negative feedback I think we all need to let them know how much we support them in a unbiased manner. Here is what I sent:
To: ldemer@adn.com ; editorsblog@adn.com
Subject: Thank you for the blog on Palin and her press release
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136415
Finally a story which shows the media is not out to get Gov. Palin, but help her by simply clearing it up once and for all.
I can not believe this was sent as a press release, nor her latest video where she continues to complain and bash all the media.
Now we know it is clear you have been trying to help her.
Please I am looking forward to a reply and information about what the investigation could not get.
Also where are the photos of baby tripp? There was video of Trigg leaving the hospital but nothing of the first grandchild?
Maybe the Govenor can share a photo of her and trig in the maternity ward, all us mothers treasure these photos of our special moment.
Again wonderful piece.
Thanks.
yes, things down there definitely swell and hurt, at least a little. Even for those of us who had a really easy labor and delivery.
She also is showing no signs of maternal bonding with the baby in that video....more like a desire to distance herself from him AND Todd!
That is just too wierd!
This is probably the best collection of photos I have seen. It is 17 pages of SP photos and some from the Ziegler Interview:
http://tinyurl.com/9zsze9
Sarah is bitter. That's why she's lashing out at the media. She tried to cover up for her pregnant daughter but it backfired-- now she has to take care of a special needs child and Bristol has a healthy normal family.
The ice is indeed cracking.
ANON January 8, 2009 6:18 PM said,
"In the video of SP and Todd coming out of the hospital (supposedly the day Trig was released/born) Todd carried Trig. Sarah would not come close to them and even gives trig and Todd a bit of a dirty look, until she see's the camera's. Then suddenly she does this, leaning over trig thing and touches him and it all looks so...fake."
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Punkinbugg said...
Video? There's a post-partum video?
Link, please?
January 8, 2009 9:27 PM
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Enjoy...
http://tinyurl.com/8f3d63
as an added bonus, the reporter is...Andrea Gusty (the same reporter in the faked Governor's hallway pic.
This video and the way Sarah is acting around Todd and Trig, is what makes me and my husband think Trig is Todd's son from a mistress. (cover up because of political and Church reasons)
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You are welcome punkinbugg,
Not only does SP not look like a new Mom, she doesn't move like one either. The distance she keeps between her and her Husband and Trigg is really unusual. So many things do not add up. Todd (first dude) does act comfortable with this child, and Sarah doesn't....another clue?
re Anon 1/9 1:22's comment on Jen's comment about "no one suspectd that Bristol wass pregnant b4 announced."
While I may not have wondered if Bristol was pregnant, I did wonder why, when we saw the first pictures of her when her mom was announced as McCain's VP candidate, she had that large brown blanket draped down her front. When the pregnanacy announcement was made, I had my answer.
Wow! There's a major coverup going on at Fox News for Sarah regarding the birth of Trig. Tonight on Greta Van Sustren's "On The Record" program Greta was reaming David Shuster of MSNBC for condemning Sarah during an interview with John Ziegler, the guy doing a "documentary" to rehabilitate Sarah's image called "Media Malpractice!" My God, these people are absolutely insane and are going all out to protect Sarah. The Republicans will do anything to cover up their lies and deceptions as has been going on constantly for the psst eight years for the Bush/Cheney corrupt administration. Sarah could easily stop all of the rumors about both her and her daughter and the births of Trig and Tripp (who we have yet to know for sure even exists since we haven't seen any pictures of him), but instead she has chosen to attack the media and anyone who dares to cross her! It was fine for these people to brutally attack the character and integrity of Barack Obama, but no one is allowed to question the same for THEIR "saintly" candidates!
Erik Hill is a staff photographer at the Anchorage Daily News according to a publicly available Linked In profile for a person of that same name. He/she is 51 years of age.
Isn't the Internet wonderful?
Attention all:
In a response to a series of posts on his blog, Pat Dougherty, editor of ADN, stated that he "knows" that SP is Trig's mother.
A couple of posters on the blog have asked him directly, with all due respect, how he knows. We'll see how he responds, if at all.
My question to him, perhaps even more valid, is what kind of journalist states that he "knows" something to be true, but hasn't published the basis for his certainty to educate us? He's had almost a year to do so.
I would say that Mr. Pat Dougherty, editor of ADN, is an embarassment to the profession of newspaper people. He's not involved in a cover-up, though. He's just not very curious or open. I guess he must think he's smarter than us, or simply relishes being more 'in the know'. Shameful.
If I had conclusive evidence one way or the other, I would share it immediately with everyone and settle this controversy once and for all. That's what true journalists do. I no longer accept that ADN is a journalistic organization with Mr. Pat Dougherty is the editor. Perhaps Ms. Demer should be promoted, and Mr. Dougherty fired.
Dangerous
Someone said,
"She was very active and traveled around. She behaved the way she did in the hours before Trig's birth. In other words, it is very possible that she was trying to have a miscarriage. It's a horrible thought, I know. But it does help explain her irrational behavior."
But as I pointed out before, the danger of infection with broken waters is to the mother. It's what used to kill a lot of women.
Re Erik who posted the pics of Sarah and Gusty, someone should write Erik Hill at the ADN and see if he posted the pics. I saw in another post that someone said that couldn't be Erik Hill in the picture because Erik is about 50, but the person on the left could clearly be a well-preserved 51 year old (I'm 53 and people constantly think I'm 40 or so and at 40, I was being asked for my ID to purchase alcohol).
If Erik Hill, a professional photographer, didn't post the pictures, I'm sure he'll deny it. On the other hand, if he doesn't respond . . .
Regarding the April 21, 2008 video: I believe it shows Trig, SP and TP coming into the State of Alaska offices (not leaving the hospital, as several have commented).
Yes, Trig, although premature and with Downs, and born a mere 3 days earlier (but looking full term or older), was released from the hospital and brought to a government office building and shown off to hundreds of people.
It's not often that 3 day old premature babies are taken out in public and shown around to a building full of people, but that's what Andrea Gusty said happened.
http://tinyurl.com/8f3d63
Diana 3:18 got me thinking about the various ways this could end. Here and there, contributors to this blog have made a passionate plea for SP to come clean in a way that would be consistent with her religion and with basic good-ethics standards. I mean CLEAN. Not fake-clean.
Of course, what a can of worms that would be. But I am thinking about what else she could do, and it looks pretty gloomy.
So I thought: I'm going to make this post be a tribute to SP, about the things I initially thought I would like and respect about her, as well as a plea for her to come clean.
OPEN LETTER TO GOV. SARAH PALIN
At the beginning, at the RNC, I thought you very capable and interesting (at the same time that I was pondering the "something's not right" stuff -- which I'm going to leave out of this post).
Your initial speech was powerful and attractive and got everyone's attention, Rep and Dem alike. I'm always interested in successful women and what they're about, how they got that way. I loved that you wore your glasses. In spite of your beauty, you presented your looks fairly matter-of-factly. My first impression was that you had dumbed down your considerable beauty so it would not serve as a distraction -- and I respected that even though you were still just very beautiful AND you had managed your beauty to look as if you were not trading on it.
I was amazed and impressed how smilingly and without apparent rancor you could address the taunting questions every politician is asked. And in so many videos and photos, I was again impressed at how smilingly and pleasantly you would respond to constituent requests for photos with you -- I could never do that; my exhaustion/annoyance with all that would be apparent, and I was guessing that you got tired too but you kept going very nicely. A real pro.
I had a lot of sympathy for you in the Couric interviews. I have been put on the spot like that, asked things I did not know, and by critical questioners -- who were asking things they KNEW I didn't know -- and, like you, I didn't think my ignorance in the area in question mattered in terms of my ability to do a really great job. I felt for you, and I admired your poise and ability to just get through it. I know, we can see those interviews in a different way too, and I do, but there is also this side -- a brave woman toughing out what she knows is an effort to humiliate her. You did great, SP -- far better than I did in similar circumstances.
I actually liked your deflecting style at first. It's a time-honored political tradition to answer a question you dont like that way. No problem for me, and I admired the skill with which you did it.
I'm not a hunter, but I like your active outdoor stuff. Love the fishing photos. All of that is so right for an Alaskan. I respect your care of your body: thin, exercised. I like your style in clothes -- the simplicity and no-nonsense of it. I thought you looked GREAT in the v preg SP+Gusty photo the first time I saw it: I like the black suit.
My impression at first was that you are fearless about talking in your unusual accent. I like accents and regional variation in people's style of speaking. And my Dad always said that a REALLY smart person is one who can say complicated things simply. I was impressed with your street smarts.
I might not like what you have done politically, but it's undeniable that you can get from here to there: that you can get things done, and lots of people can't. Such an important ability.
And the fact that McCain picked you (or so i thought at the time) made me semi-believe that he thought you had as much to offer as Hillary, so I wanted to know more.
Here comes a tangent: skip over this if you like.
This is a footnote on lying and deflection.
I have enormous respect for Hillary's brains, hard work, determination, and political savvy but I did not support her because of her LYING! It offends me to the core. Not just about Bosnia and her Ireland visits -- although those were the litmus-test issues for me, just like this pregnancy issue is for me re SP -- but about so much else (I suspect) during Bill's whole career. So I have turned against her for the lying, while admiring a lot about her. But the lying about substantive issues is and always will be a show-stopper for me.
When I say "lying," I mean about the big stuff, the important stuff. I know life is complicated, and I expect politicians to lie at times, and it's okay with me. For example, during Jack Kennedy's campaign, Jackie was reported to have spent $40k on clothes the previous year. Kennedy money. She replied something like "I couldn't spend that much unless I wore sable underwear." A fun response, esp if you think about it. But it was a lie. Jackie regularly bought French couture and expensive American stuff, as you can see documented in books published after her death. And she used expensive shopping to compensate for Jack's nutty infidelities. And she did not want to discuss any aspect of her appearance with the press. But this lie is okay with me: It's no one else's business, it was Kennedy money, I agree that discussing her clothes is tacky, and for a wealthy person to blow a bundle on exquisite clothes -- I don't care in the least.
An example of deflection: after the election, Jackie was asked by reporters when her baby was due -- a question that the attentive student of Jackie's life would know was not only an improper question in those long-ago days, but it was also a fraught qu for J, because she knew she had a problem going full term, and she might have known at the time that this difficulty was perhaps caused by Jack's STDs and other medical problems, which had perhaps affected her ability to go full term. So she didn't want to discuss any of it.
So the interchange went like this:
Reporter: "Is your baby due before inauguration day?"
Jackie (tilts her head and smiles): "Umm, when's inauguration day?"
And everyone laughs, realizing that she will not answer the qu.
I have seen Michelle Obama do this very nicely when she was asked various outrageous questions, or qu that she did not want to answer. SP has done it a lot too.
NONE OF THIS A PROBLEM for me. Lying is okay, so long as I feel I can trust the politician, or that s/he is honest in the big, important things. I never trusted tricky Dick Nixon, but I didn't know why until Watergate was finished. I DO trust Barak and Michelle.
Sorry for a long tangent. It's over now.
So I am trying to say, in my long-winded way, that I think you, Gov Palin, have many qualities that I like a lot. Even though I do not agree with much of your politics, I thought I perhaps could support you -- not over Obama, who got my vote early on and never lost it. But I was looking at you early on and admiring a lot that I saw.
My view even now is that you have a lot to offer and you could have a bright future IF ONLY YOU WOULD START BEING HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY.
And since there are few options for you now, to get out of this mess, this would be a good time to COME CLEAN.
And by this I mean: hire a good shrink to help you, talk to your pastor or other ethics guide, get a lawyer, and do it right. We all make mistakes. Show us what one is supposed to do next. Not stonewalling -- that never works in the long run, and in the short run you feel like hell, and rightly so. Show us by your example that you are bigger than all this bad mess -- show us (by admitting it and seeking help) that one can move on, keep going, become a better person, and not be ruined by it.
In general, I don't think politicians owe us their full personal medical info or DNA tests. I don't think it matters that they spend a lot on clothes or grooming -- it's just a business expense that is dwarfed by all the other business expenses. Some make better decisions about this than others. I don't care much. If you had not made such a big public deal of it, I would have said your family members and their issues are off-limits. But in your case, now, it might take more than just the minimum to re-establish trust once again.
What I personally am asking for is nothing more than: please explain the pregnancy photos showing you getting bigger, then smaller, then bigger, etc. Tell us why the SP+Gusty photo was altered. Please explain the anomalies regarding the MD letter. Set the record straight on the things you have publicly lied about.
But the kicker is this: Please be truly and deeply honest. I am convinced that if you are honest, I will be persuaded, as will many others. But if you try to give us a ball of cheese again, lie to us, give us just a better story, many people will once again know it. And the clamor for DNA testing, the BCs, MD testimony, personal photos, the complete medical records, etc., will all start up again.
Ideally, after you have your money for your book (when you leave office in a few years), I wish you would go to Harvard for a couple of years. I bet they would let you, as a past VP candidate. I bet Henry Kissinger and his pals would put together a custom program for you. I think you are smart, and capable, and a fast learner. I think you could do some good, important work after all this is cleared up.
But the first step is to reestablish trust. By being honest. By coming clean. About all of it. I know it's a wild idea. You would be such a fabulous example if you did this.
--Amy the first
Hey Vinnie! RE: The 4/20 birthday
I literally had this conversation with a friend on New Year's Eve:
Friend: [Her daughter] and I were searching Craigslist for a roommate in [college town], and when she saw an ad with the phrase "Fan of 420", [daughter] said, "Oh skip that one, Mom. That means she's a pothead."
ME (to friend): How weird! Did you know this?
FRIEND: No, but [daughter] said I dunno, Mom, but somehow everybody knows that's a holiday for potheads.
ME: It's also Hitler's birthday. [I was a German student.]
FRIEND: Is there a connection between Hitler and pot?
ME: I don't think so.... I've never heard of one.
US: Weird. We're getting old.
I have a question regarding patient discharges from hospitals in Alaska.
In So. California,it is required that all patients be wheeled out to their car in a wheel chair.
Is that the law in Alaska?
Pat-RN
Off topic, but curious...
I tried to find where factcheck.org confirms SP's pregnancy by the (now discredited) Gusty photo, but couldn't. Is it still there, or did they take it down?? JJ
There are only a few scenarios that would be so embarrassing that Sarah will never tell the full truth. One, could be that both Todd and Sarah are Trig's natural parents.
If you recall there was a rumour that Sarah recently had an affair with one of Todd's associates that the National Enquirer unsuccessfully tried to promote. Perhaps Todd and Sarah both have an "agreement" that it's ok to mess around occasionally.
The play with Sarah and Todd after Trig's birth reminded me of this story: http://tinyurl.com/8fkbus
Scroll down for the story.
If true, it could provide a clue.
Oops! Make that:
One, could be that both Todd and Sarah are NOT Trig's natural parents.
Meaning that one, is but not the other is Trig's natural parent
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Such comments are immediately rejected.
Re factcheck and SP/Trig birth rumors:
Go to factcheck.org, search "Sarah Palin," then scroll backward a few pages.
Then you'll find the link:
http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/09/16/forget-it-jake/
I think it's ironic that there was such a big stink made over Obama's place of birth by the Right Wing, and yet these questions aren't being answered adequately. Whether Obama was born in the US or Africa, shouldn't concern Republicans. If he was born in Africa, then Arnie could run for president at some future date. Also this whole thing reminds me of something I read in a book on Adolf Hitler. When he was coming into power in the 1920's and early thirties, a couple of journalists from Munich tried to go back to his village in Austria to find out more about him, they discovered that the whole village had been destroyed, and no one was around to tell their story. I believe the book was the one where Hitler is shown on the cover as a baby, as I recall.
If indeed this:
""In their first weeks as parents, Levi and Bristol shared parenting duties. By day, says Sherry, they tended to Tripp and sorted through gifts from well-wishers; by night they traded off diaper detail and the task of soothing a crying baby.""
was part of the People story, it's clearly a lie. People prints on Tuesdays, so this was written by 1/6/09 during the day, just about 8 days since the alleged birth. There were no 'first weeks' here. Also, Levi was supposedly working on the north slope at the time, since the report when he quit was that he was flying back.
I don't believe Zeigler saw Bristol at the house. Either he made it up or he saw Willow.
Someone asked
"In a response to a series of posts on his blog, Pat Dougherty, editor of ADN, stated that he "knows" that SP is Trig's mother.
A couple of posters on the blog have asked him directly, with all due respect, how he knows. We'll see how he responds, if at all."
I think that Dougherty's true feelings aren't clear, and that he's doing a sort of good cop/bad cop thing here. You know, "of course we believe you Sarah, we just have to look into these nutty theories." If he came right out and said he thought SP was lying, he'd lose any chance for honest answers. But if he acts as if he's on team SP, he just might get some supporter to slip up and reveal something.
HI guys..
Absoultely fabulous work going on here.. I really feel that the story is about to come to light..
I am so in awe of all the work that is being done of behalf of America.. you people amaze me with your talents and tirelessness..
Keep up the good work..
I can't do much, but I have emailed Factcheck and Gustey and now I will email the ADN.. that is what I can do for my part..
Thanks again.. more will be revealed..
Best to you all.. Pam
As Dangerous has pointed out, the ADN editor, Pat Dougherty, commenting as "editorsblog," claims he "knows" the truth about Trig.
This may explain why there's no MSM interest in this story. Since the ADN is part of McClatchy/Knight-Ridder, the word has probably gone out to all the chain's papers nationwide that "there's no there there."
The best chance for exposure will then be to get someone close to ADN's reporting to flip.
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136415
"I already know that Sarah Palin is Trig's mother. I never doubted that. Apparently some people are going to keep pursuing this nonsense forever. The governor apparently doesn't want to address the questions, and the conspiracy proponents are reveling in it. We have other stories to do."
Pat Dougherty
if you missed KEITH's segment last night on SP's ziegler video:
http://ncane.com/gjj
KO is our man to uncover the HOAX.
watch it and you will KNOW he will pursue this... the question is how do get his attention.
Anonymous said...
Re Erik who posted the pics of Sarah and Gusty, someone should write Erik Hill at the ADN and see if he posted the pics. I saw in another post that someone said that couldn't be Erik Hill in the picture because Erik is about 50, but the person on the left could clearly be a well-preserved 51 year old (I'm 53 and people constantly think I'm 40 or so and at 40, I was being asked for my ID to purchase alcohol).
If Erik Hill, a professional photographer, didn't post the pictures, I'm sure he'll deny it. On the other hand, if he doesn't respond . . .
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Erik Hill Photography, Alaska linkedin profile page http://www.linkedin.com/pub/7/324/a56
a google image search for "Erik Hill" produced some interesting results too. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=erik%20hill%20&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
I saw that too Wage Peace.. and Chris Matthews was always one to call her out! Yeah he looked like a school boy in love.. His guests were trying to focus on real issues and not defend her.. even the lady was like "We gotta remember how she was on the campaign trail towards Obama" .. Instead he just goes.. "Oh I love the way she flutters her eyes like that" ... lawdy me
Craig, in conceding that Sarah does indeed keep bringing up the Trig rumors, makes the point that she does so because "as a woman and mother {if you assume that she really is Trig's mother) then anyone could understand that" she sees the rumors as "galling misconceptions."
Well, actually, Craig, as a woman and a mother, the way I see it is that if these "misconceptions" bothered her, she would lay them to rest definitively by providing an avalanche of information to disprove them rather than simply whining "Why do people keep believing these lies?"
Because you see, these "lies" aren't just about Sarah; there are also insinuations about her daughters, and if she really were a mama grizzly bear defending her young (as opposed to eating them), she would have come up with a real, authenticated birth certificates and unaltered photographs as proof of first Trig, and then Tripp's birth. How hard is that?
I know we can't control our children. But as a mother of two daughters, I also know that if you love them and set a good example for them and stay engaged in their lives, they have a much better chance of getting through their teen years without disasters. Neither of my children got "knocked up" or addicted to drugs or arrested for vandalism. One of them did, I'll admit, drop out of school (she was hopelessly bored), but since she's about to graduate from an Ivy League medical school, I think you can say she made a good recovery.
Sarah's pose as a loving Madonna hits me as about as fake and assumed as her "pregnant" belly.
The latest interview made me realize that Sarah Palin has some mighty big b--ls!
Rodeo Sarah has jumped on the bull, tightened her grip and opened the gate. She has to stay on the bull for 8 seconds[3yrs. till 2012]and not get thrown[keeping truth silent].
I'll bet 2 seconds on the clock!
The John Zeigler Interview (how obama got elected)
I heard S. Palin is upset he posted her clips on youtube.. she thought shed just be part of the big documentary.. released the end of Feb
She mentions being exploited by the media.. this guy just exploited her by showing her clips early.
Little did she know her face would be all over the news with just her talking and that anti-obama website sprawled all over the bottom of it
I wonder if there is going to be some retaliation from her
Kindof sad when her OWN people start taking advantage of her
And yeah.. clips of him being interviewed regarding it .. he is a major hot head... his documentary is not going to be taken seriously by people with brains
Please, everybody...the video is not of SP and TP leaving the hospital, it is at her place of work. She brought the new baby in for the photo op.
This is from the photo discussion thread and worth reading:
LIKELY ANSWER TO THREE AMIGOS PUZZLE
[reposting from earlier thread since relevant]
OK, fellow truth seekers, here is the answer: it's a composited photo with Palin and McAllister added to the original, which had Carpenter standing alone in the hallway.
Here's how you reach that conclusion. Look at the Three Amigos pic and ignore Palin and McAllister. What do you see? You see a photo in which the sharpest focus is near the center: notice that the door frame of office 206 is clearly in sharper focus than the door frame on the far left of the photo; also note that the softness of focus of that far left door frame is matched by the softness of focus of Carpenter (the tall dude). Thus, the original hallway picture was taken (sans SP and her press hack) with the camera probably set to autofocus and the focal point being the close edge of the frame of that middle door. (The S9000 can do auto-focus with either a center-weighted or "multi" setting - but it does not have an auto face-recognition focus mode as many newer cameras do).
So how do we know Palin and McAllister were added to that original pic? They are in sharper focus than anything else. But wait! That can't be. You just can't go from greater sharpness (of SP and McA) to less sharpness (Carpenter and the near door frame) and then back to greater sharpness (the middle door frame). It violates the rules of optics: the very sharpest point is the dead-center focal point, and apparent sharpness diminishes both in front of and behind that point, until you are out of focus. (Technically, nothing in the pic actually seems out of focus - that's an optically and mathematically determined level of fuzziness based on something called the "circle of confusion." But within your given depth of field you can have things at greater and lesser levels of sharpness.)
So there you go. I feel pretty confident in my analysis, but I'd love to hear if others agree. (BTW, I teach digital photography at a university.)
Brad
January 9, 2009 7:14 AM
I have been following this blog from the beginning and I am sincerely thankful that there are people working to uncover the real truth behind so many of the apparent lies SP has told.
I am the mom of a child with Down Syndrome and wanted to put a few things out for consideration. First, it's a dead end IMO to go after the fact that Trig was released from the hospital so soon after birth and that he looks full term for a "preemie". My dd was born almost 6 weeks early and weighed a whopping 7lbs 7oz - we went home from the hospital the next day!
WRT the way SP looks so detached from Trig - I noticed that too - and it makes NO sense to me. Giving birth to a baby with DS was a traumatic thing for me - for everyone I know who has, even when they knew in advance (I didn't). It's instinctive to have feelings of not wanting the baby, and feelings of anger and fear and all those other emotions that go along with grief - however, it's also instinctive for a mother to be MORE protective than usual over a "weak" or "sick" baby, and hold it closely and protectively, and SP barely makes skin contact with Trig. When she does, it's like someone holding a stranger's baby, no skin to skin contact at all. Poking at him like he's some alien lifeform actually, that's what it looked like to me. So, that is waaaay off in my book and pinged my radar.
Also, most babies with DS *are* born early- so it makes ZERO SENSE to me that a woman who knew her unborn baby was likely to come early would take the risks of travel that she did, not to mention the "wild ride" that without a doubt knowingly put him in harm's way. Do you know why there are so few people in the world with DS in spite of it being one of the most common birth "defects?" It's because so many of them don't make it to or through childbirth. Their hearts often have huge defects, and about half need open heart surgery shortly after birth. NO WAY - NOOOOO way would ANY doctor approve of that kind of travel with such risk factors. That alone makes the entire story of Trig's birth completely impossible in my book. Not a chance it happened like that unless she was trying for the unthinkable.
Finally, regarding the comment of how convenient it is that he has DS because you can't tell who he looks like? That is simply hurtful and untrue. My daughter is a CLONE of her sister, only with features characteristic of DS. At birth, ALL babies have strange, scrunchy faces, and yes a newborn with DS can look more like "DS" than his family members, but over time he'll resemble his family just like any other child. Please take this opportunity to let go of some of the stereotypes about Down Syndrome. (sorry, it's personal!)
OK off my soapbox now..
Whoever brought up the fact that it's not possible that Bristol and Levi had been "busting their butts parenting" is right on. How was that possible the day after their baby was supposedly born? What "parenting" do newborns require besides lots of holding and sleeping and nursing/feeding? And how was Levi involved at all when he reportedly wasn't even there yet? Little slip there, SP?
OH - and am I the only person in the world who notice that the very first announcement about Bristol's pregnancy was stated as "AROUND five months?" I very specifically remember that because I remember thinking how careful that was to leave the door wide open for fudging dates.
I am looking forward to seeing this all come to light in the MSM, I have a feelign it will be sooner than later.
J in OH
Tabloid chick, that is indeed exact wording from People Magazine, the newest ediiton that just came out yesterday (Friday, 1/9/09)..Travoltas are the cover story. If you don't want to buy one, snag when you're waiting in line at your local checkstand, p 92
What I found even more interesting was the quote that "Levi would help out" after TRIG was born! What 17-18 year old guy would take care of his girlfriend's mother's baby??? Anyone know of the rare teenage boy who loves to help out with newborn special needs babies? Go back at take a look at the picture of the three of them (Levi, Trig, & Bristol at the RNC).
That and the first weeks statement is beyond weird....I think Sherry is confusing her grandsons and is just so happy she actually gets to claim one publicly.
Craig wrote: "I'm living in Canada? Yikes, I'm an illegal alien!"
Oh, so you're not Canadian? So sorry. Are you British, then? I assumed from your spelling of "rumor" on this same thread at 1/8/09, 8:38 p.m. that you must be Canadian (unless we have two different "Craigs" posting, like we have two Amys! That would be good to know, so we're not mistakenly responding to the wrong Craig).
I agree with Way of Peace: Olbermann will run with the true story of the Big Palin Fake whenever it can be completely confirmed, or maybe even just before. And David Shuster of MSNBC has already shown he will run with it, too, as is evident from his combative interviews with Ziegler this week.
And now that Greta Van S. is again defending Palin openly on Fox, that has (conversely) given the Big Fake story even MORE legs in the media, since the Baby Faking story is one of Palin's "shadow" issues AND since Palin discusses it in Ziegler's footage.
Along with the ADN blog story on the Big Fake (hat tip to Craig), the Palins & Sherri Johnston featured in PEOPLE with a baby story, and Andrew Sullivan about to win 2008 Blog of the Year, there is more media attention to BigFakePregnancyGate than ever before. The media attention will crescendo in the next few weeks, I predict! Please stay on it, everyone!
(Oh, and Palin reminds me of Nero--conversely. She is fiddling with defending election loss to the lower 48ers, while Alaskans freeze to death and are unable to get food. Mudflats had a must-read post on this yesterday. )
can someone please grab that "back to work on day 4" video in case it disappears?
"I already know that Sarah Palin is Trig's mother. I never doubted that." -Pat Dougherty
Or, "I don't care if she isn't."
I hear this from people I try to talk to about Trig. Her opponents have plenty of other evidence of her dishonesty, some clearly relevant to job performance and abuse of power. A labor and birth story? Most men don't even want to go there. And many women feel babygate is just attacking Palin as a woman -- not like the exact same allegation could be made about a man. Even my rabid Democrat friend wrote in her Christmas letter that the media's treatment of Clinton and Palin was horrific.
The only person who has told me it would matter to her as a voter if Trig wasn't Sarah's, is a Christian conservative who calls herself a values voter. Maybe some other people would care if photos were altered as a coverup.
I still think it matters. I just think it's safe for ADN to act like it doesn't.
Anonymous @ January 10, 2009 6:35 AM
If he was born in Africa, then Arnie could run for president at some future date.
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Wrong.
Arnie had no American parents so he would fail the test by descent.
Obama still would qualify were he born in Africa as his mother is a USA citizen otherwise McCain would have been ineligible too - he was born in Panama.
But that is a non sequitur as his BC has been provided and checked out.
Rgds
One other comment re the Zeigler statement about Bristol tending to the singular and unseen "baby" in the other room...by my calculations, there should have been two babies at the Palin residence, Trig AND Tripp, the Irish twins!
Pat-RN, I don't know about Alaskan hospitals -- maybe patients are snowmobiled to their cars -- but many here have clarified that the pictures/videos in question were at Palin's office, not the hospital.
I can't believe that a 44-year-old woman would bounce back that quickly and completely just days after giving birth. Look at the news footage (or photos) of Princess Diana when she left the hospital after having Prince William. She was only 21 years old and yet she was visibly wobbly. Even though her hair was perfectly coifed and her face made up, you could see the obvious exhaustion in her eyes, and in interviews years later she admitted that she "collapsed" into the waiting limo after the photo call and then bawled her eyes out for hours because she felt so awful. But Sarah "Supermom" Palin, who apparently shed most of her baby weight in the delivery room, bounds into the room all radiant and perky after a strenuous eight-plus hour flight and premature labor.
Also, Pat Dougherty says he "knows" that Sarah is "Trig's mother." He didn't say he knows that she gave birth to him; his statement could merely mean that Sarah has already adopted (or filed the paperwork) Trig. If/when it is revealed that Sarah didn't give birth to Trig, Doughterty is safe; he can't be accused of lying.
Save the money.I am a private investigator, and went to Wasilla in early Sept. This blog has covered the issue well and exhaustively. I spoke to A at length soon after I returned.
The tabloids have the best odds of breaking this story. It speaks loudly that they have not been able to do so for more than three months.
SP's complaining about the media treatment of her, and the right wing organizations are backing her up. We who don't believe her Trig BS are "liberal hate mongers" just out to get her.
When her multitudes of lies are revealed and her followers realize they've been duped, who will be the hate mongers then?
I don't mean to beat a dead horse, BUT, I keep coming back to the alleged Bristol "baby bump" pics that Audrey has previously debunked as showing B pregnant.
However, having looked at the official AK gov site's pics, that Juneau one where B is wearing that wraparound dress is labeled as 2007, and someone has analyzed the backround and said late summer, early fall. If that is true, then it could very well be a real baby bump.....IF B's due date was NOT May of 08----and where are we getting that due date from? Perhaps the due date for Trig was actually April, the baby was born a bit early, and she was already pregnant, and possibly showing already by late summer/early fall. I think she looks pregant there.
I think the error in debunking the picture as relevant is assuming a due date of May (15th, I think you said, Audrey). Who says? Sarah? Are we going with what Sarah said her due date was? Why? Assuming she made up the whole pregnancy and leaking amniotic fluid story, etc,, etc, the May due date coulda been made up too.
Also, even, (ha!), the other photo with the greenish tight sweater that everyone was saying showed a baby bump on B--I still think it does, and I think it's also from 2007--almost from around the same time.
As for Sarah herself, Baby Bump Schmabee Bump!!
Via National Ledger:
National Enquirer is reporting that, due to Sherry's arrest and its possible negative effect on SP's political future, SP is trying to persuade Bristol to NOT marry Levi.
http://tinyurl.com/7zyr9z
I can only guess that the editor of ADN is playing some kind of cat-and-mouse game with Sarah.
After all how could he or ANYONE (short of her doctor) make that statement without backing it up a little.
And then, he goes on to state that Sarah, you've given us nothing to prove you ARE the mother either!...and we (ADN) WERE going to run a story on you by (names name) but we decided it was inconclusive and passed it by.
hmmmm. Is there some kind of insinuation there?
Here's the link to the ADN Executive Editor's blog about assigning reporter Lisa Demer to the Trig birth story, and the enduring questions about the claimed birth.
Link to Blog
Audrey (and assistants) - are you able to let us know if Ms. Demer has been in touch with you, and if Ms. Demer has been through the substantial collection of photos with you?
"Pat-RN, I don't know about Alaskan hospitals -- maybe patients are snowmobiled to their cars"
Please! it's SNOWMACHINE!
(just kidding!)
I never thought Bristol and Levi would get married-- it always seemed to me that if they were, it would have happened before the election when it could do SP some (political) good.
Chris
mc-midnightcajun;
Yes, she has brought up the Trig rumours, but I think its fair to say that she has mentioned it in response to direct questions to her about rumours or misconceptions that happened during the campaign.
Not really the same thing as continually interjecting, or looping back to, the Trig story in her interviews. That is the difference that I was trying to point out, in responding to a comment that she is continually bringing it up in conversation.
A debatable difference, maybe, but I think, still a relevant one.
As far as "why not give the proof", I've given my thoughts on that several times, so I won't bore everyone else with constant repetition.
Just keep in mind that acceptable proof has evolved on this board to DNA testing for some people. In many people's minds, a simple birth certificate and medical records aren't going to be enough, as they could be falisfied.
Hi Craig,
Assuming she is really Trig's mother, I can understand Sarah Palin being upset about "rumors" that she is not Trig's mother and bringing it up repeatedly in interviews.
What I cannot understand is her refusal to combat these rumors with evidence.
I have a 14 year old daughter. If somebody said that he didn't think I was her father, I imagine that I might be upset too. But the first thing I would do is pull out my daughter's birth certificate and say, "See there, that's proof that I'm telling the truth. If you don't accept that, then you're just crazy."
Sarah Palin did not take the obvious step of showing a birth certificate. In fact, she took the amazingly bizarre step of saying her daughter was five months pregnant and therefore could not be Trig's mother.
All through the campaign, for two months, she did not give any evidence to squash the rumors by showing her birth certificate or by releasing some of her medical records. She didn't do this despite the fact that Obama had released his birth certificate to quiet nonsense about his birth.
Only on the eve of the election, when the McCain camp were totally desperate to try something different to avoid defeat, did she issue a statement by her physician supporting the idea that she was Trig's birth mother.
Now, she has admitted in her last interview that it hasn't stopped the rumors. Why doesn't she take more action to stop them?
Among the actions she could take is
1) Release Trig's birth certificate
2) Show ultrasound scans of Trig. She has shown pictures of Trig to the media. Why not show an ultrasound scan picture with the name of the doctor and date on it.
3) a list of her natal appointments with her doctor. There must have been at least a dozen or more.
4) Do an interview session with her doctor. Talk with reporters or a single reporter about her pregnancy. Certainly something like this would be helpful for pro-life groups hoping to influence mothers against abortion. She doesn't even have to say that it is to prove she's Trig's mother. She can say it is to help mothers who went through the difficult process that she went through.
Any of these things would be helpful in destroying these "rumors" that she is upset about.
Yesterday we learned that she did give her doctor permission to hold an interview with a reporter from ADN. Apparently, the birth was something that the doctor either wouldn't or couldn't talk about.
The upshot it that for the last four months she has been saying how upset she is about these rumors; yet she has not taken simple steps to combat them. Don't you think her actions, or rather inactions, speak louder than her words?
Craig said...
regina,
True enough about the cluster of interviews that Sarah did within a few days period of time in November with Lauer, Greta and King.
I will say that my statement was geared toward a remark being made that she just keeps bringing up the Trig issue, in other words, as if she is always trying to interject or initiate talk about it. She was actually responding to direct questions such as "What do you feel were the biggest misconceptions about you" or "Are there any other things that the media brought up that needed correction" and so on.
I would think that as a woman and mother, if you assume that she really is Trig's mother, then anyone could understand that that would be a particularly galling and offensive example for her to bring up as exhibit A.
January 9, 2009 6:00 PM
J in OH, thanks for your thoughtful post. In some pictures Trig resembles Levi strongly. I haven't seen him resemble Todd.
I too was reminded recently of the "around five months" in Sarah's announcement. That would have put the birth "around" year-end, which is when Palin claims it happened. I think people didn't focus too much on the fudge factor because in October Levi or his mom said 12/18 was the due date, and then later on Grandpa Heath said 12/20, so the later estimate overrode the earlier one. Also, "around" made sense, since a teen who is not trying to get pregnant might not have a really good idea of when she conceived.
J in OH,
i appreciate your comments and insight re babies with DS.
one thing that bothered me (and others here) was to watch the way TRIG was handled by SP during campaign rallies. in particular knowing how LOUD this events are.
another thing: i'm a father, and i KNOW that ALL babies cry often, when hungry, wet, cold, hot, confused, etc.
poor TRIG never did that we could see.
is that normal for DS? are they less susceptible to noise, etc around them?
To J in OH @ 9:05:
The wording that the McCain campaign used ("about five months pregnant") jumped out at me too as providing future room to maneuver. It seemed odd to use a modifier when standard language usage is round-number months or weeks to describe a pregnancy's progress.
The language that SP uses when she discusses the rumors also raises my antennae. On several occasions since the election (Lauer interview, Ziegler interview), she says that she is Trig's mom, which is not the same thing as saying that she gave birth to him. Even the "There You Go Again" press release made reference to "the sensational allegation that the governor’s child, Trig, is not hers." I haven't put in the time to review her every utterance on the subject to see if she has used language referencing actual birth in the months since the election so perhaps she may have been more specific in other forums. Nevertheless, language matters in part because usage provides insights and creates impressions, and thus I do find it surprising that she has not been stating with crystal clarity that she physically gave birth to her fifth child, given that adoption is one of the alternative theories in the absence of a birth certificate and can be encompassed by language like I'm his mom and he's my son.
I would like to go back to the pic of Bristol when she was in that tight dress at the...whatever...announcement? Where she was with Levi and her boobs were huge. Y'all know which one I mean, right? Anymore speculations on why her belly was so high? She wears a fake belly about as well as her mother does.
"Just keep in mind that acceptable proof has evolved on this board to DNA testing for some people. In many people's minds, a simple birth certificate and medical records aren't going to be enough, as they could be falisfied."
I'd like to make one point about this-- I think that if a birth certificate had been produced early on, a lot of us would have taken that as proof. It's only as time has gone on that it seems like producing one now wouldn't be enough, because of all the time that's passed in which some strange things could have happened -- like that strangely put together letter by CJB- that a birth certificate produced NOW might not have the evidentiary value that a birth certificate produced THEN would have.
Chris
To Outsider SA: In the United States, a child born on our soil has the opportunity to take the citizenship of his parents or the US if they are not the same. Each country seems to have its own rules. In California prenatal care is given to Mexican immigrants regardless of citizenship because the fetus is a US citizen. When we had restrictions on Asians owning property, many families put the property in their children's names because they were citizens.
sandra in oregon
I checked out the editors blog on the ADN site and noticed a response that Pat Dougherty had replied to one of the commenters. He stated that he KNEW Sarah Palin was Trigg's mother.
I sent a comment that asked, "How do you KNOW that Gov Palin is Trigg's biological mother? Did something turn up in your investigation that would prove this? Not being facetious here. Asking with all due respect."
No response even though he is responding to other questions asked of him.
Then, a commenter with the user name, S. Palin, quoted me and asked the same thing.
No response.
Then, Mother of 3, didn't quote me but asked the same question the same way.
No response.
She asked again.
No response.
In a 24 hour period, this exact question has been asked 4 times. No response forthcoming. So even though Pat states he KNOWS Sarah Palin in Trigg's mother, apparently he is not going to let anyone else in on how he knows this.
http://tinyurl.com/8c6h23
I also thought it was interesting that he decided not to write the story because he couldn't get what he wanted, namely, proof that Palin is Trigg's mother. So instead of reporting that they couldn't find proof, and in fact, had been stonewalled by the family, they dropped the story.
I think it is ironic that it would have stopped there if Sarah had not said a word about this. Instead, she slaps at the ADN for daring to look for proof that she was Trigg's mother, AND, didn't write the story saying that they couldn't find evidence proving that she was Trigg's mom.
Craig, I believe this story may help answer your questions in regard to why the media is not covering this information. It's not that it's not true, it is that it is a incredible story that is very hard to prove. (By the way, I like having you here too. You are intelligent and ask good questions.)
Deb
I just read the bio on Erik Hill at
tinyurl.com7upz2u. This is the bio of a man. How did we get a feminine gender on him? Interesting person but nothing would indicate he is Erik99559.
sandra in oregon
Hello everyone - I have been reading (lurking) here for a longtime from afar - CA - and I think some are definitely on the right path as far as theories go, and some are not. I'd suggest that everyone KISS here. Keep it Simple Smarties (no one here is stupid, the usual word used).
Points we KNOW and other stuff:
1. Sarah Palin is a very accompished LIAR, pathologically so. This combined with her charm has enabled her throughout her entire life to manipulate those around her to get what she wants.
2. Sarah Palin WILL and has thrown tons of people under the bus if she is crossed. We KNOW this also (too).
3. Sarah Palin is probably easily defined as a Narcissistic personality at the very least.
4. Motive? This is oh-so-easy...
If you will review the article written by The New Yorker, she has claimed herself a Washington outsider, but has had visions of higher aspirations for a long time, and it is well documented in this article. It is noted that efforts on her behalf getting her placed on the ticket as VP go back at least as far as Feb 2007; she entertained two conservative groups in June 2007; had reachout down to MSM in late 2007.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/27/081027fa_fact_mayer
This is as clear a motive as you can get for her to have covered a pregnancy for Bristol.
5. Timeframe: Bristol disappears, likely hidden away to prevent what could be the ruination of Sarah's political career, especially as SP starts reaching out to MSM in late 2007.
6. As things progress, SP *really* starts believing she has a shot at this nomination. Even if she didn't really, she had to protect her chances at ALL COSTS.
7. Sarah starts thinking about what would be more damaging politically, especially to a Conservative: Unwed pregnant teen daughter vs. detractors who think SP wouldn't be able to fulfill Gov. duties with an infant on board (Oh, this is also a good excuse to use later for not saying anything til the last 6 weeks). Hmmm...she already had 4 kids...what is one more, and an extra opportunity to paint herself as Superwoman vs. the other option. Easily answered, again.
8. Time for SP to investigate how to do this...what about birth records, adoption records, etc. Conveniently, AK has a ONE HUNDRED YEAR privacy policy regarding these records. She will be long gone by the time these records become legally available to the public.
9. Finances: As a worker in the health insurance industry for MANY years, group insurance plans will cover an enrolled dependent's pregnancy (aka Bristol) but WILL NOT allow the resulting newborn to be enrolled as a "dependent of the dependent". Hence, Bristol would have had maternity coverage, but newborn infant would not, outside the mandated first 30 days of life AND since he was born DS, it is highly unlikely they could procure any coverage for him outside of going to the high risk pool. These things probably came to light at some point during the pregnancy, or maybe right after the birth...so what to do? Bristol could have stayed on the Gov's plan for the maternity period, and also try to procure an individual policy that would allow for adding her dependent newborn on as a guaranteed issue within 30 days of birth. Only problem with that is: many states allow pregnant applicants to be declined individual health coverage (CA is one, I haven't been able to confirm the same of AK). In that instance, most turn to Medicaid, however, in reviewing the income requirements in AK, Bristol certainly wouldn't have qualified due to SP's income level. Now what to do in order to have this newborn insured? Easy! Adopt at birth or shortly after and then this infant can easily be added as a dependent on the Gov's plan, guaranteed issue within 30 days of adoption since the Gov would be the "legal" parent from birth onward. BONUS: Another exemption on taxes, too.
10. The Birth Story: has been gone over ad nauseum here, and we all know who ridiculous that is.
11. Trig's appearance, at 3 days old: It is not unreasonable to assume Bristol delivered early (Feb?), and in those cases, it is often that the newborn is in NICU to stabilize (get phototherapy too if they are jaundiced) and have put on enough weight to then discharge to a hospital closer to home for some "grow time" before finally going home. Please note, that preemies growth are allowed "catch up time" during the first two years of life. In other words, a baby born 6 weeks early will only have a term infant size at the actual due date time (even though technically, they are 6 weeks old already). This makes sense as to why Trig appeared to be "older" or more filled out than a typical newly born newborn. He might not have had much more weight/size by that time, but 6 weeks out of the oven does allow for loss of all the newborn wrinkly look, and time to fill out a bit.
12. CBJ's letter: this is probably the most disturbing of all, but hey, it wasn't done until the RNC entered the picture, and all kinds of things happen when enough money is involved. Additionally, IF Bristol used a different MD, and Sarah said to CBJ that she herself did have Trig, but had decided to use a regular OB/Gyn elsewhere... Sarah probably only related to CBJ that she had given birth to Trig and the testing done, it still could become part of Sarah's actual medical record in CBJ's files. IE, we all go in to a new doctor and give our own history information; voila, it is part of the record. CBJ could easily be quoting SP provided information, not verified through any real records given to CBJ from another physician/labs/tests etc.
13. I think that about does my own analysis, particularly from an insurance standpoint, and the likelihood of a possible rude awakening regarding insurance options for this infant at some point during the pregnancy or maybe even at birth.
Ya'll have a great day!
In response to Craig's post with this quote,
---The only such published comment I know of is the April 22nd quote of, "Baldwin-Johnson said she had to induce labor, and the baby didn't come until 6:30 a.m. Friday."--
If your water breaks, there is absolutely no need to induce. The broken water which happens in only 10% of births--despite the common perception--starts a chemical reaction during which labor automatically begins. However, to be fair, beginning this reaction does not mean that the birth will be instant---it can still take hours to get to the actual birth. Regardless, once water breaks your body WILL be going into labor within a small window of time so why induce? This makes almost as much medical sense as okaying a flight with broken water. With all this, I wonder how CBJ actually has a medical license?
Also to Anon 10:55
I didn't think about it before but yes maternity clothes are totally cute now and it is very "fashionable" to be pregnant (see all the focus on celeb pregs) When I was pregnant with my twins, I was beyond stylish. Many people commented that I was the sexiest pregnant woman they had seen. I even have bathing suit picts! Considering that Sarah prides herself a lot on her looks, perhaps that's why she needed to cover up, but the maternity clothes today make a pregnant woman especially one as "thin" as Palin looking completely gorgeous and feminine--even top designers have maternity lines so she would have had an excuse to still buy fancy labels.
Cyn
Extra thought about the inducing labor comment from earlier, It just occurred to me that it seems odd to "Induce" a premature baby. Inducement really is only used for over due pregs or danger to the infant/mother. Neither of which applies. So why would CBJ say induce about SP's labor?
Cyn
Audrey and friends,
1. I have always felt that SP is not emotionally well.
2. Her children are afraid of her as well as other people.
3. She really needs to see a therapist asap.
Audrey, thank you for sticking with this and helping to expose SP for what she really is.
Hi Way Of Peace, it's me, J in OH...
Yes it is very common for babies with DS to be "lethargic" or floppy looking and sleepier than other babies their age. This is because they usually have low muscle tone and their motor skills are slower to develop and progress.
OH OH OH that leads me to another questionable thing about SP!!! It's well known that early intervention is the KEY for children with DS - for example in OH we have programs that bein at birth that address feeding (many can't nurse because of latch problems) and later they can choke on food more easily because of tongue thrust,etc...also physical therapy to address things like sitting up, crawling, etc that are later to develop in a child with DS...muscle tone issues need to be addressed early and often! Where were the therapists for this child? I hope they brought them along on the campaign trail, or IMO they were doing Trig a huge disservice.
I don't think the Palins have a clue what they are in for with a child with DS. It's not all smiles and roses. Yes, like all children they are blessings, but unlike MOST children they need and awful lot of support and extra everything. I don't see them discussing that, which surprises me. She claimed to want to champion families with special needs kids but instead I see her sweeping Trig's under the proverbial rug. I'd love someone to report on what they are doing to help him!
J in OH
To anonymous at 1:38, You have added a new dimension in the insurance aspect. The adoption would take care of medical expenses for Trig. I think you tied a lot of ideas together well.
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I have noticed this afternoon that access to the ADN news is restricted to people who have registered. Apparently the volume has been so high that they are limiting access. On another site I read that the ADN and locals were becoming upset about the influx of comments from the "lower 48."
sandra in oregon
To all the commenters who have condemned the ADN's editor for saying that he "knows" Trig is SP's child --
The editor obviously does not know, for sure, whose mother Trig is; however, it would be very, very irresponsible of him, and perhaps cost him his job, if he publicly gave the pregnancy rumors any credence. He would immediately be attacked by his Governor, by conservatives, and by some liberals, as well. People would threaten to cancel their subscriptions to his paper, and some of them would probably follow through on that. There would be a public outcry. At this point, that's not something you can write in a major news publication. I commend him for writing that editorial; it was as skeptical of SP's pregnancy -- or, at least, the possibility of verifying that pregnancy -- as I believe was possible.
"Just keep in mind that acceptable proof has evolved on this board to DNA testing for some people. In many people's minds, a simple birth certificate and medical records aren't going to be enough, as they could be falisfied."
I'd like to make one point about this-- I think that if a birth certificate had been produced early on, a lot of us would have taken that as proof. It's only as time has gone on that it seems like producing one now wouldn't be enough, because of all the time that's passed in which some strange things could have happened -- like that strangely put together letter by CJB- that a birth certificate produced NOW might not have the evidentiary value that a birth certificate produced THEN would have.
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Tried posting this before but it got lost...
At this point, what would be acceptable proof? For me, nothing. There's enough time that any document could've been faked, and the way pictures seem to vaporize when SP goes near them makes me wary of anything she produces at this point.
But I am surprised at people here who've said that if someone doubted that they were the parent of their child that they'd show them a birth certificate. I'd tell them to get lost, and that if it was so important to them, they could go to the hospital and/or city hall to look up records. But if someone didn't believe me at my word, I wouldn't go through hoops to make them believe me. I'd assume they had another reason to doubt my honesty.
That said, I also wouldn't keep bringing up the subject, as Sarah does. She can't let it rest, like a normal adult would if someone called them a liar. It's like it hurts her when people don't fall for her lies.
To Cyn
Actually, 'waters breaking' does not guarantee labor will commence in a timely fashion, and in some cases the woman may need to be induced, or alternatively labor may need to be postponed for as long as it is safe to do so.
The following is an except from an excellent summary from a respected online medical source. It succinctly summarizes the medical issues in a case like SP's, and I'd urge anyone interested to check out the site for more detailed information about managing this sort of clinical presentation.
This is why SP's story doesn't add up.
"PPROM (preterm premature rupture of membranes) Premature preterm rupture of membranes (PPROM) occurring from 24-37 weeks' gestation is far more difficult to manage than premature rupture of membranes (PROM) at term (>37 weeks). Several issues need to be considered in formulating a plan of management. Prematurity is the principal risk to the fetus, while infection morbidity and its complications are the primary maternal risks. All plans for management of PPROM remote from term should include the family and the medical team caring for the pregnancy, including the neonatal and maternal medical team. Remote from term, PPROM should only be cared for in facilities where a NICU is available and capable of caring for the neonate. Because most PPROM pregnancies deliver within a week of ROM, transfer of the pregnant mother to a qualified facility is urgent and should be facilitated immediately upon diagnoses.
The vast majority of women proceed to active labor and deliver soon after PPROM. With appropriate therapy and conservative management, approximately 50% of all remaining pregnancies deliver each subsequent week after PPROM. Thus, very few women remain pregnant more than 3-4 weeks after PPROM. This is important information to give the woman considering expectant management remote from viability.1
Spontaneous sealing of the membranes does occur occasionally (<10% of all cases), mostly after PPROM that has occurred subsequent to amniocentesis; however, this is the exception rather than the rule.
Several areas of controversies exist regarding the best medical approach or management of PROM remote from term. Expectant management and immediate delivery are potential options in these patients, and each has its own advantages and disadvantages. With appropriate care, the maternal risks of expectant management are generally accepted to be minimal and a clear neonatal advantage exists by reducing risks of prematurity.
Controversies exist as to interventions such as steroids for acceleration of lung maturity, antibiotics, and tocolytics (drugs that halt uterine contractions)"
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/261137-overview
Anon 1/10/2009, 10:03AM (the PI):
I'm sure I'm not the only poster on this blog who would appreciate any additional details you (or Audrey) can provide of your trip to Wasilla.
My interpretation of your post: there isn't definitive proof that the Trig birth is NOT a hoax. But showing that it IS a hoax (by finding witnesses who will talk about the hoax) has proven difficult.
Is that a fair assessment?
ANON @ CALIFORNIA,
GREAT summary!
i DO believe it's time to extract out of the myriad of theories, speculations, etc a great summary and put IT all on the 'table'.
the MSM may be ready for a new chase, and with SP waving the red flag of THE-MEDIA-DID-ME-WRONG, they will oblige!
Yes, C in I. I, too, thinks words are important.
I have been carefully mulling over words that have been said to support SP being Trig's biological mother. For example, was Andrea being technically truthful, (but misleading) when she said that the April 13 photo had not been "photoshopped." She did not say it had not been altered. Perhaps another editing program was used. What do the professionals use? Probably not "Photoshop." John Ziegler deliberately said Bristol answered the door so that readers/listeners would picture her coming to the door and opening it. But, there are other ways of "answering doors." Via intercom, maybe? (Or maybe it was Willow as another poster has suggested.)
Regarding SP's recent blast at the media and the internet blogs-- the best defense is a good offense. She thought we would all go away by now and she is lashing out in the only way she can.
"But I am surprised at people here who've said that if someone doubted that they were the parent of their child that they'd show them a birth certificate. I'd tell them to get lost, and that if it was so important to them, they could go to the hospital and/or city hall to look up records. "
I'm not sure that's an option for someone in the political spotlight. I'm sure Obama didn't feel like he should have to produce his birth certificate, but he did, to quiet the rumors. I also think that if the "disbelief" affected a woman's children, as it does in this case (with rumors that Bristol was Trig's mother)that a lot of women would just produce the birth certificate to save their children from being hassled.
Chris
Acceptable proof would be the following statement issued by CBJ herself:
I, CBJ, personally attended Sarah Palin at Mat Su Regional Medcial Center where she gave birth to baby boy Trig Palin on 4/18/08. Other Mat Su Medical staff attending the birth were: names, title, ie RN, etc.
That would end it right there, no privacy violated, the word of a licensed physician and medical staff who personally delivered Sarah Palin of baby boy Trig.
To all the SP supporters - is there some reason you all don't request her to do this simple thing and put an end to the question? Why wouldn't she do so?
Please ask her.
it's me, J in OH again...
SP keeps saying that the MSM is so mean and unfair by not factchecking...but it seems to me that whenever anyone has tried to verify ANYTHING she says it goes POOF, gone, sayunara, goodbye! Pictures, web pages, hospital birth records, and even commentary from real live people who WERE THERE seem to be lacking.
It's one thing to say "screw you, go do your homework I owe you nothing" and quite another to say "ha ha ha have fun finding one shred of evidence"
and that is what she has seemingly been saying.
another thought I just had wrt her claiming Trig as her own - could it simply be that he would not be covered with health insurance otherwise? Seriously - he's going to need many many many thousands of dollars in healthcare (we paid out of pocket for our dd's first few years and it was well over 15k a year for her therapy and other things - thankfully my husband's job now pays for that, since she'll need this forever!)
If that was her reason, and she were to come clean about it, I could "forgive" to some degree. It would be devastating to me for a baby with special needs to be born to parents who could not take care of its needs when i knew I could, and I could see that temptation.
I can also respect that doing so would be FRAUD unless she went through the proper channels and adopted him - and if that were the case, again, I could maybe understand....however
and this is a big however....
it seems that is not the case, because she's not shown any signs of putting his very special needs above her own need for power and control.
This is going to be interesting when it all unravels....
J in OH
wayofpeace : yes, a summary with well chosen, accurately dated photos would be very useful.
A few days ago I came across a video clip of a
'people on the street' interview in early March,
filmed reacting to the news that their governor
was expecting. (Didn't save link, sorry, should have).
I think it would be VERY useful to include a clip like
this in the summary, to show spontaneous reactions
to the news (eg, you go governor, all the best, etc.)
in light of the fact that they maybe were hoaxed . . .
Anonymous said on January 10, 2009 3:41 PM ...
"OH OH OH that leads me to another questionable thing about SP!!! It's well known that early intervention is the KEY for children with DS" - (snipped)
I'd love someone to report on what they are doing to help him!"
J in OH
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Poor Trig....I have the feeling that he's not been getting any of the early (and often) intervention he needs and deserves!
All that time on the different stages, the traveling all over the country! I never saw or heard the first mention of any kind of therapists involved with his care! All we ever saw, was SP once in a while, tote him like a sack of groceries. Other Trig sightings, one of the kids usually had him.
Depriving a special needs baby of the needed therapies...is child abuse, and inexcusable!
I don't think that would sit too well with her base, if any of them really gave it much thought!
In light of SP's most recent video interview, please go to:
http://mikk2.wordpress.com/2009/01/10/whiny-and-cheesy-party/
It's time for a mental health break for all of us!
QE (Question Everything)
"But I am surprised at people here who've said that if someone doubted that they were the parent of their child that they'd show them a birth certificate. I'd tell them to get lost, and that if it was so important to them, they could go to the hospital and/or city hall to look up records. "
I'm not sure that's an option for someone in the political spotlight. I'm sure Obama didn't feel like he should have to produce his birth certificate, but he did, to quiet the rumors. I also think that if the "disbelief" affected a woman's children, as it does in this case (with rumors that Bristol was Trig's mother)that a lot of women would just produce the birth certificate to save their children from being hassled.
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But with Obama it went to his eligibility to be President, so I can see why he'd feel the need to quiet the rumors. The Levi dropout story went to Levi's eligibility for an apprenticeship program, so I would understand if SP or Levi released his high school records. With the Trig issue, there's no effect on her eligibility for an office or a job, so I'd think she'd just blow it off... it's just that to her, there's the whole issue of wanting to be believed. If that really is the case, I would expect her to just show the certificate; I just don't think that your average person would bother if a nosy neighbor was saying "I don't think that's your kid."
I would not accept a birth certificate now, for the reasons many have stated. Further, any data on it would have to be confirmed, including location and date/time of birth with attending medical personnel. If those parties confirmed the data, then I would accept it.
Similarly, I would no longer accept a statement by Dr. CBJ. She may simply make a choice to lie about a medical situation, with her patient's approval, rather than violate HIPAA and tell the truth about a patient who didn't want that information revealed. Besides, medical records could confirm pre-natal care -- dates, times, locations, etc. -- which I would find much more satisfying.
The basis for both of these requirement is that neither the birth certificate alone or any statement Dr. CBJ might make would be considered conclusive evidence in court. Dr. CBJ would have to be cross-examined on the details of her statement. And the birth certificate would have to be independently authenticated and its the information it contained confirmed.
Now, on to Mr. Pat Dougherty, who is faking being an editor of a major newspaper. No self-respecting journalist would claim he 'knows' something as some sort of game. He should say nothing, or share what he knows. Unless he's holding back for a book or something, which I think would be ethically challenged.
He has no excuse, and it explains why the MSM in general hasn't pursued it. They aren't as good journalists as we are. They are paycheck players.
If anyone is interested, their is a plausible -- even rather obvious -- scenario where the only ones involved in the conspiracy would be Dr. CBJ and the Palins. Not the Johnstons, not the McCain campaign. Nobody else. And they would keep the secret to the death.
If anyone wants to hear it completely and directly from me, give Audrey your private email address. I assure you that the theory fits ALL the facts.
Dangerous
Sarah does not appear to be wearing a wedding ring/band, at least not in the "back to work after Trig," video, or in the Ziegler photos in one of our bloggers' photo stream. So, has anyone else kept track of this? Seems like a "family values" kind-of-gal, like Mrs. Palin, would proudly wear that badge of honor. Maybe she stopped when she got REALLY MAD at the "first dude," Maybe when he did something he shouldn't have...
We all know how forgiving she is...NOT! I wonder what the terms of his incarceration are?
Are there any public records searches that may be done to locate the birth certificates ourselves?
WHY DOUGHERTY HAS TO BE A WEASEL
I think Oriole nailed it: Mr. Dougherty "knows" SP is Trig's mother because he knows about a secret adoption or "knows" based on some similar logic. And he is playing word games - he did not say nor will he say he knows she is the biological mother.
In all fairness to him, he's got to continue working in that state, and she is the governor and a lunatic. How brave would I be in his shoes? (I am a former journalist and now teach journalism.) I might play word games too, to avoid tell a lie but keep from crossing her Royal Weirdness - but I would hate myself for it. (I also wonder who his boss is, and what pressure is coming from that direction.)
Brad
J in OH, insurance for Trig has been discussed here before. Most believed that she could have covered him by adopting him at birth, so no fake pregnancy needed. (She probably would have had to admit to Bristol as the mom, though, as a reason to adopt.)
Another set of theories came in if the child is not in Todd's bloodline, her sister Molly's child for example, and adoption would not provide the free lifetime Native American care as backup for Trig's increased needs.
Audrey does not think insurance was part of it, and Audrey is almost always right. We have thought of many possibilities for why Sarah would fake a pregnancy, but it really seems her behavior is not that sophisticated and the simplest and most obvious reason is true: She was covering for Bristol and providing for Trig.
Cyn, CBJ would have induced because the sac had ruptured and there was risk of infection.
Or it was within two weeks of the due date and she induced Bristol.
All I got to say
and Im an obsessive.. checking this site every a.m. and p.m. for some sort of update.. Im with ya'll!!
S.P's mothering
I am a mother of one.. a son . he's now a teenager
Willow we don't see much.. or Track.. but the other three.. the baby.. little Piper.. Bristol
Have that weird far of gaze of .. ahhh just deal
Any mother who would bring their child to work day 3 after giving birth means.. put them in their bouncy chair.. let them wine and groan .. change their diaper as needed.. feed them.. but as for any emotional attachement.. NILCh..
let them learn to be quiet and occupy themselves as mommy does her important mommy duties as governor or whatever
killing their insides early on..
Couldnt the woman AT LEAST if she didnt want to be there with them.. hire a nanny or something to give them some sort of brain stimulation .. hugs and what not?
She is a super woman no doubt.. but at what cost.. and is it truly admirable??
Cyn, if Sarah had been pregnant, I don't think she would have gone for the new, tight fitting maternity clothes. In fact, I was surprised Bristol chose that form-fitting gray dress for the RNC.
I think Sarah in her first term in office could reasonably assume that emphasizing her pregnancy would diminish her effectiveness as Governor. It's still true in many professions, unfortunately. So I don't take her baggy maternity clothes as evidence of a fake bump.
I just wish someone would have sewn on that missing button. I think she even wore that jacket sans button in TX for her speech.
Many have alluded or stated outright that they belive Ms. Palin suffers from assorted mental disorder, i.e. pathological lying, narcissistic PD, Borderline PD, etc.
If indeed, this is the case, then shouldn't we be hoping that she could be nudged into accepting help rather than public scorn?
Are you positing that people CHOOSE to be mentally ill? And that they have some control over it? That they should be treated with no empathy or sympathy, even if they are public figures?
Based on her actions, it sure appears this person needs some help.
Let's hope she gets it.
Just Wondering
Proof that I would accept?
Well, let's see... As governor she could get a birth certificate forged, so that won't do it. Her doctor has already shown--like so many others caught in Sarah's web--that she's willing to fudge the truth for her... Photos can be rigged...
Nope, nothing I would accept at this point. The woman is a proven liar.
Just wondering: It is very difficult to help individuals with personality disorders because they refuse to believe that there is anything wrong with themselves. They think that they are fine, but that everyone else is at fault.
Think how Sarah fits this mold.
Ohio mom
wayofpeace says, "i DO believe it's time to extract out of the myriad of theories, speculations, etc a great summary and put IT all on the 'table'."
But if no one has the time to do that, maybe we could at least list any evidence that does not fit in with the theory that Bristol had Trig, and see if we can explain it away.
For example, the 4/13 photos are evidence to the contrary, but can be explained away as not proving anything because Sarah is fully clothed and could wear a fake belly. Or the announcement that Tripp was born 4/27 would disprove that Bristol had Trig on 4/18, but it has not been corroborated by photos or anyone other than the parents and grandparents.
The evidence I find hardest to reconcile is Dr. BJ's election eve statement. She could have been reporting from records written by someone else. The Palin campaign could have cut and pasted Dr. BJ's real statement and she just didn't speak up. (Did anyone ever prove that the statement was a composite image?) And the statement wasn't sworn. Still, hard to believe the M.D. would agree to lie.
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That should have said the announcement that Trig was born 12/27, not 4/27. sorry
I don't think Palin suffers from a mental disorder. I think she is not ready for prime time, in over her head, does not know and does not know she does not know, etc.
Re:Photo with Bristol's baby bump.
The green sweater bump was used by Daily Kos as evidence Bristol was pregnant. Then the photo was dated as late 2006 and irrelevant. Now the photo is again dated as late 2007, so the bump could be Trig. Is that right?
But if that were really a baby bump, I don't think Sarah would have let Bristol wear that sweater for that official photo to be seen by one and all. Did she not even know Bristol was pregnant? Did she not notice that Bristol looked pregnant in the picture?
Or did Sarah know and not really mind? Did she not plan for Bristol to hide it, but changed her mind when she learned that Bristol's baby would have DS (say in late February)? Because if Bristol were hiding a pregnancy, wouldn't she wear a looser top and not emphasize her belly with her hands?
Is anyone else stuck by the irony of Palin's latest interview? She mentions the sad state of affairs when we give credence to anonymous bloggers.
Yet, her rise to fame was in part do to a 21 year old blogger working out of his mother's home.
http://www.slate.com/id/2198949/
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/180276/september-04-2008/adam-brickley
http://palinforvp.blogspot.com/2009/01/brickyard.html
Maybe the reason they cannot release the birth certificate is not the names (it would be their names if they adopted) but the birthday (the birthday won't changed after adoption)? If the baby was born at 6:30 AM on April 18th photo with the grandparents was taken when the baby was just a couple of hours old. I don't think Trig Palin is a couple of hours old in that photo. Actually it would be really funny if the baby was born on the 17th while she was in Texas giving her speech (also devastating).
I have to admit, I don't have a lot to add to the discussion at this point because, over the past 6 weeks or so, I've pretty much speculated on everything that doesn't make sense to me, and posted a number of pictures that I've worked on...
But I am following the discussion daily, and may I comment to you, Morgan, that I think you're doing a top-notch job moderating this blog?
I've joined and contributed to message boards on a variety of topics for more than 10 years, and considering how volatile this topic is, the blog is moving along very smoothly thanks to you and whichever other helpers are working behind the scenes -- and Audrey, of course!
In response to GPBAG
Thank you so much for the information. I fully confess that I am not in any medical field. My thoughts came from the fact that my water broke at 32 weeks and taken care of at a prestigious hospital in MA with a phenomenal NICU. The doctors explained the the issues surrounding broken water and risks to me. They really emphasized the risk of infection to the babies now that the protective sac was compromised. (I would have like to let the babies continue to mature in the womb if I could have)Oddly enough I did get the steriod shots and had to hold off delivering for 48 hours in order to jump start the twin's lungs so I do know that full labor does not have to happen immediately, but it is not a state to be walking around, giving speeches, and flying on planes. (P.S. the babies were/are still extremely healthy despite being so early and tiny premies)
Thank you again for the very detailed info and the link. I did not know about the possibility of needing to induce and it is very important to correct less than accurate info in order to keep this site factually well informed.
Cyn
KaJo,
Thank you. Our moderation efforts are part of an ongoing attempt to make the comments section of this blog a place for thoughtful discourse.
Lately that's become something of a challenge. Emotions are high on both sides right now, it seems.
We appreciate your support more than you know.
to Little me @ 4:43. the original source of the quote states first "week", not "weeks".
Adam Brickley's ConservaGlobe
Oh this guys a lil whackjob aint he.
I came across him some time back, he is consistent Ill give him that.
So between one Zeigler nut and this adam-nut...my my her cred is just shooting up...isnt it..
SP has said...
bloggers in their basements making false claims
comments
accusations
etc etc
Is this adam-guy Erik who posted preg pic on Flikr?
Palin is suppose to speak at the conservative convention in February and was suppose to be the keynote speaker last February. She was unable to do it. Maybe that was the time "sensitive" to the birth of Trig and she wasn't able to be so far away in case he came early. It is amazing that she was able to be a speaker in Texas in April if in fact she was so close to giving birth.
It is also unbelievable that SP still does not take any responsibility for herself or her missteps in how she has been presented to the public.
She reminds me of my 15 year old... always blaming someone else for everything going wrong. I continually am trying to teach her (my 15 year old) to take responsibility for your mistakes, move on, and try to do better in the future. She is begining to learn this. It's hard for a moment and then you are free to grow.
I guess Sarah Palin has not learned that lesson.
The mistakes just take on a life of there own.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/824103.html
oh yeah, Adam is redirecting everyone to his new RW extreme site.
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I have not had much to say. But a thought crossed my mind regarding Bristol. Will Bristol be confined to Sarah's house for the rest of her life? Will she be able to have her own life? Will she be shipped off to the military or college? It seems like a big risk for Bristol to be anywhere away from Sarah. Scary and sad for a young girl.
Dinky P.
I love how you guys hang your hats on the Anchorage Daily News. They're a national laughingstock whose slogan is "Will Slander Sarah Palin For Food".
McClatchy, the parent company, has lost 99% of its stock value recently. Just a matter of time before ADN employees are in the streets.
methinks when SP complains about anonymous bloggers, she is talking about THIS BLOG!
i thinks she's been lurking. ;-)
Looks like tensions are rising on this blog and lots of other places in the media, hope that SP thinks out her next move or it might be the wrong one.
@ Sissy
Your Right!
Why isn't the First Dude boss man just telling her to stop all this craziness.
She either has to PUT UP or SHUT UP
Two things:
1) THANKS. Thank you, Audrey. Thank you, Morgan. I, too, appreciate your very professional moderation efforts, Morgan. Not all my posts have made it, but I so appreciate you posting the ones that do. And I am grateful that you are doing this for us; it is an invaluable service. Audrey, I think you deserve kudos galore.
2) MORE THANKS. Thank you to Craig (are you British?) for making my point so well! Yes, Palin has crossed the threshold into permanent "DOUBT" territory. Exactly! There is no proof Palin can present anymore that is acceptable; it is too late. Most of us won't believe whatever she does present. We have too much doubt about her. Palin has given us too much doubt; she made it a whole lot worse this week with her tirade to Ziegler.
Anon (January 10, 2009 10:03 AM):
Wow! A PI who was actually there? Can't you tell us more?
Sounds like you did not find the key missing piece, but you must have formed an opinion.
Do you think it's out there and just a matter of time, or are we wrong?
--Amy the first
This is SP travel schedule for the beginning of 2008. I think will help fine tune the time frame for Trigs birth and also for the Elan Photos:
Circa Feb. 23: flys from Anchorage to Washington D.C.
Circa Feb 26: flys from Washington D.C. to Anchorage
Circa March 2: flys from Anchorage to Los Angeles...
( Elan Interview must be on March 3rd & 4th)
Circa March 5: flys from Los Angeles to Anchorage
Circa March 7: flys from Anchorage to Fairbanks
Circa March 9: flys from Fairbanks to Anchorage
Circa March 11: flys from Anchorage to Juneau
Circa March 14: flys from Juneau to Anchorage
(Long time to be in Anchorage...can anyone account for her schedule.
Maybe Bristol had the baby in Anchorage?)
Circa March 27: flys from Anchorage to Juneau
(This is another long time in Juneau? Do we know her schedule?)
Circa April 15: flys from Juneau to Dallas
April 17: flys from Dallas to Anchorage....
The Beginning of Our Wild Ride!
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If the "Wild Ride" wasn't a wild ride but a calculated deception to produce “the evidence that she had given birth to Trig” then maybe Bristol had the baby in Anchorage or Juneau indiscreetly or even had a midwife deliver Trig. If they didn’t know Trig was DS until after the birth it could have changed whatever plans they had to announce the birth. That could have been when Sarah put her plot to together. It would make the Wild Ride….make sense….in a Sarah Palin way!
So how do you deliver a baby without anyone knowing:
1) Get out of Alaska...so the media doesn't have access to you.
2) Go to a high profile event...where you can be photographed and documented as pregnant.
3) Fly home in the middle of the night when no one expects you.
4) Put together a story of calls in the middle of the night to your Dr./Collaborator
5) Add in leaking fluids, minor contractions
6) Produce Trig and introduce him as yours.
We already know that Sarah hasn't a clue how to discern what looks credible and what doesn't. I am sure she believed this was going to be a plausible plan! She underestimated everyone’s attention to the details from the very beginning. She never imagined the scrutiny and accountability that she would be held up to…. especially if she had gotten away with abusing her power before. There is plenty of controversy around her mis-use of power and getting away with it. That would certainly reinforce her decision to go through with this bold of a charade!
Don’t you think it is interesting she chose a doctor who works with child abuse victims not someone who specializes in births of high risk babies? Who better than a doctor who works with child abuse....to empathize with her situation and help her protect her teenage daughter from the taunts and challenges of not only having a baby out of wedlock but one who had DS.
Sarah Palin needs to feel like she is in complete control. In fact… she can’t stand it if anyone asks her to explain herself or any of her actions!!!
Remember even in the debate with Biden when asked a question...she smirked and said...I may not answer the Ones that you want me too…. or even the Way you want me too. Smile, wink, you betcha!! I’ve got this one Bristol!
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I posted this before but I thought this might be a relevant time to post it again:
PUBLISHED: 4:59 PM on Wednesday, February 6, 2008
Governor Palin Introduces the Health Care Transparency Act
Governor Sarah Palin introduced the Alaska Health Care Transparency Act which will provide more effective tools to help Alaskans access affordable health care, and to ensure our health care system is responsive to changing demographics and market conditions.
The Act includes some recommendations from the Health Care Strategies Planning Council and the Health and Social Services Certificate of Need Negotiated Rule Making Committee.
The bill would establish an Alaska health care information office to give consumers factual information on quality, cost and other important matters to help them make better-informed decisions about health care in the state. Recognizing that health care must be market-and business-driven, rather than restricted by government, Governor Palin is proposing a repeal of the Certificate of Need program (CON)
Health and Social Services Commissioner Karleen Jackson concluded that the CON program does not benefit the citizens of Alaska, given the litigious environment surrounding it.
The reports from the two committees are available online at: http://www.hss.state.ak.us/commissioner/legislature/
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I think we need to go through her schedule with a fine tooth comb. If someone has access to her schedule already…can you post it. We are looking for missed scheduled appointments and or a long stretches without appointments.
She would have been there for the birth and also for the follow up in the hospital.
I am sure that even if born at home…which I doubt…there would have been tests that needed to be run....time to help Bristol with the post pregnancy concerns….etc…etc.
I don’t doubt that Sarah Palin is a Mama Bear protecting her cub…..and is trying to protect her daughter. But you don’t lie about giving birth to a child that is not yours!
That is the kind of judgment that destroys a family….and a country!
Diana
This is slightly off topic, but since Morgan let the post go though I want to address it.
The Obama'a looked at BOTH public and private schools. They choose the private school that many former President's children went to.
The children of the President have a security detail. Imagine how disruptive that would be for the other students in a public school.
I live in the DC area and I would do everything in my power (which is considerably less than Presidential) not to send my child(ren) to a public school in this area.
You only have to watch the news here ONE day to realize what a dangerous place it is.
The Obama's made the best choice for their children and to not disrupt the learning process for the other children that also deserve an education.
I (also, too) would not want my children going to a public school after the extreme hate that was preached by SP on the campaign trail.
I fear for the Obama's as it is due to her negligence.
Sorry to be back so soon after such a long post.
For those interested in seeing a portion of the Elan Interview with Sarah Palin...which has gone missing...here is a link to an interview with him that I found.
He is being interviewed about the Sarah Palin interview and shows portions of the original interview.
If it goes missing after this post...this time we have a copy.
It has a front shot of Sarah...and she doesn't look like she is 2 weeks from delivering anything!!!
http://tinyurl.com/4d3wlw
Diana
Dangerous at 5:29 pm - I would accept a statement from Dr. CBJ, licensed physician and naming those present in the delivery room.
CBJ is credible and would risk her license, her practice, her research and her work etc. if she were to make a false statement. Perhaps that is why she has not done so.
Wouldn't one think the insurance carrier would be most interested in seeing docs confirming the baby's eligibility for coverage? Would this baby be covered under the state plan, the native citizen plan?
Anchorage radio talk show host Eddie Burke interviewed SP's press spokeman, Bill McAllister, on 1/9/09 and they discussed the ADN/Trig birth issue among other topics.
You can download the podcast from the show's web site:
http://www.kbyr.com/ebs/
The interview with BM starts about 27 minutes into the show and lasts about 25 minutes. The first ten cover Trig's birth. Then they discuss the report of the delay in Sherry J.'s indictment, the John Zeigler interview, and Bob Poe, the Democrat who has announced he'll be running for governor in 2010.
BM's key points:
- SP/BM found out about the ADN's recent inquiry into Trig's birth not from the ADN, but from feedback from the parties Lisa Demer had contacted trying to get information.
- LD contacted the school district requesting Bristol's school records.
- LD contacted CBJ at her home, and "threatened" (BM's word) CBJ that unless she went beyond her public statements, LD would attribute "no comment" to her in her article.
- Records searches were requested from Providence Hospital, which fact was reported to SP.
- BM: "There is an amazing website that attempts to debunk photos of the governor five days before she gave birth, claiming that the photos were doctored to make her look pregnant."
- BM: "Blog mentality has pretty much taken over the mainstream media." BM's claim is that the only reason the ADN picked up the story recently is because of anonymous blogger comments.
- Re the Zeigler YouTube excerpts: SP/BM were told that the documentary would be released in late Feb. They were not told that excerpts would be released beforehand. They didn't like having "unsettled political questions" (like the possible appointment of Caroline Kennedy) come out in the middle of things, as opposed to after the fact in Feb.
>> It's not often that 3 day old premature babies are taken out in public and shown around to a building full of people, but that's what Andrea Gusty said happened. <<
And if Gusty said it, it must be true! ;-)
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>> at 40, I was being asked for my ID to purchase alcohol <<
I’m impressed! Hee!
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>> Amy the First at 946p <<
Wow! GREAT letter, stating a good bit of what I would like to say to SP. Thanks for getting those thoughts down on paper. How about submitting it to the ADN opinions … perhaps she would actually see it and read it! …. nah, what am I saying?!? She doesn’t read that paper … it’s not on her list … I know! How about USA Today!?
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Anon 5:39 am http://tinyurl.com/8fkbus >> I don’t mess with Black men. <<
HOLY COW! I hadn’t heard that story about Dear Sarah. Ugh.
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Anon 6:33 am Thanks for the link to the FactCheck listing; I kept meaning to look, but with a link right to it, I remembered!
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Anon 7:50 am >> google image search for "Erik Hill" produced some interesting results too. http://tinyurl.com/7nalml <<
I’m not sure what you are wanting us to see that is ‘interesting’ ??
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OutsiderSA 9:20 am
There is a good discussion on Snopes about both McCain and Obama. It seems that McCain’s ‘right’ to be President is still actually up in the air! Thanks goodness we didn’t have to find out! http://tinyurl.com/8uz8nh
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Anon 10:38am >> http://tinyurl.com/7zyr9z SP is trying to persuade Bristol to NOT marry Levi. <<
Whoa! Which is the greater sin? To have an accused drug dealer/user as a mother-in-law or to have no MIL at all and be an unwed mother?!?
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Philosopher Jay 12:42 pm >> Yesterday we learned that she did give her doctor permission to hold an interview with a reporter from ADN. Apparently, the birth was something that the doctor either wouldn't or couldn't talk about.<<
We did? How did I miss that? Can you give us a link, please?
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Sandra 3:42 pm >>On another site I read that the ADN and locals were becoming upset about the influx of comments from the "lower 48."<<
Could you please give a link?
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Morgan et al.
I couldn’t say thanks and good job any better than KaJo, but please know just how much I appreciate what you do. I am not only interested in the whole SP story/lies, but have learned much and enjoy coming here (too many times a day!). I’m sure it wouldn’t be nearly as enjoyable and easy to get through all the information if not for you and your super helpers!
A couple of posters have recently brought up the Bristol "baby bump" picture, saying that it's now dated in 2007.
I thought Audrey had debunked this.
I'm confused. Can anyone set the record straight?
"Regardless, once water breaks your body WILL be going into labor within a small window of time so why induce?"
I'm sorry but that just isn't true in all cases. I had my waters break and was told that if I didn't begin labor by 12 hours afterwards, that I should be induced. I went into labor at 12 hours exactly.
The only reason to induce the premature baby is because the waters had been broken for too long.
Possibly dumb question, but one would think that there would be pictures taken in Texas? That many politicians and no pictures???
Anita
There is a good discussion on Snopes about both McCain and Obama. It seems that McCain’s ‘right’ to be President is still actually up in the air! Thanks goodness we didn’t have to find out! http://tinyurl.com/8uz8nh
TY for the link.
IMO both qualify as I am sure this would not have gotten past the primaries anyway - just sour grapes.
To Sissy: interesting point you bring up about the convention last Feb (2008), I hadn't realized that before
To Anon @ 1/11, 1AM: Thanks for directing us to this podcast and thanks for summarizing the important points for us - sounds like someone's getting nervous indeed!
B said I think Sarah in her first term in office could reasonably assume that emphasizing her pregnancy would diminish her effectiveness as Governor.
She said something along those lines when the election was still going on.She didn't want anyone thinking she couldn't do her job because she was pregnant.
She wears glasses instead of contacts for the same reasoning, she didn't want her looks to distract from business.
there's blood on the water, and that means the SHARKS are restless:
Bob Poe, an erstwhile state commissioner and former president of the Anchorage Economic Development Corp., has announced his run for the Alaska Democratic gubernatorial ticket in 2010. Whether Sarah Palin will seek re-election is yet to be determined. But if she does, The Hill says that Poe could prove to be a formidable challenger.
Poe is viewed as a serious, viable candidate by state Democrats, though there are some other candidates that could derail Poe's bid to unseat Palin.
Poe lacks statewide name recognition unlike a candidate such as Ethan Berkowitz, the Democrat who came close to defeating Rep. Don Young (R-Alaska) this past November.
maybe SHUSTER would be easier [than KO] to reach and persuade for DECONSTRUCTING SARAH!
from HUFF POST, a couple of bloggers:
I saw this interview with David Shuster and I like how David tried to hold the guy's (ZIEGLER) feet to the fire but he never gave an answer to the question all he did was try to trash MSNBC. ...David Shuster is doing a good job hosting 1600 Penn ave.
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This is what I've been waiting for! Finally a real voice; a sane and ballsy journalist not someone reading from talking points and volleying the ball like some useless patsy. MSNBC is the only place you can still find this kind of candidness ... Oh Schuster, You've got the whole package.
Diana, Palin spent a long time "in Anchorage" because she was living at home in Wasilla and working out of the Anchorage office. The she spent a long time in Juneau because of the legislative session.
Q asked about birth certificates: Not public records in Alaska. Palins could release it, but didn't.
Doubt same is true for marriage licenses though. Someone might be able to find if Bristol and Levi are already married. If they married around Trig's birthdate, could be a smoking gun.
Possibility of different birth date being reason Palins haven't released b.c. has been discussed. When I see the whites of Tripp's eyes, I'll consider Trig being born earlier.
At least two Qs to answer then: 1) The AHA luncheon in mid-February that Palin and her three daughters attended. Bristol would have been showing.
2) Trig's MatSu birth announcement on 4/18 that was removed from their website, suggesting Trig was born to someone that night, that place.
Thanks for the link to McAllister's interview!
"Proof that I would accept"
I tend to agree that at this point all of the obvious pieces of evidence, which would have sufficed at the beginning, would now be called into question.
Maybe I'm just sentimental, but I think most mothers keep: the hospital bracelet with both baby and mother's names and the date of birth, the little card that goes on the hospital bassinet, a photo of the mother holding the baby immediately post-partum, photos of baby with the rest of the family crowded around the bed... Any one of those would have been clear pieces of evidence that could have been made public, say in MAY, to the great jubilation of the Palin supporters - and really solidified her as a great mother, champion of life, special needs, etc. It literally could have changed history! The fact that she didn't do something as simple as this speaks volumes more than a million half-baked youtube interviews of her crying foul and attacking the media.
I don't know - I do have a lot more pictures etc. of my first child than I do of my second. Perhaps if I had a fifth I would be very blase about it. But I would think at the very least a teenage daughter with a cell phone would have posted some cute photos on MySpace. Particularly if they wanted to dispel rumors that she or her sister were pregnant! And we know what happened to all those MySpace pages.
Of course, as soon as we mention stuff in this forum, it gives the Palin family and supporters more to work with. Now that I've said it 'out loud', I would no longer accept even a dated hospital bracelet as conclusive! It's a bizarre Catch 22 that SP has unfortunately brought on herself by the whole tangled web she has woven.
I've e-mailed Audrey a couple of pieces of information in confidence for just that reason, but unfortunately they are just more little pieces of the whole bizarre puzzle - not smoking guns or nails for the coffin.
I agree with other comments that DNA is really the only way to clear this up, but IMO even that would have to be gathered and delivered to the lab by Audrey herself. If Audrey comes up with conclusive evidence that convinces her that SP is Trig's BIRTH-mother, THEN I will be satisfied.
Exceptional Workmanship, Truth for Trig Fellowship. Here is the clue that all posters here at this site need: do the needed research into all members of the Johnston family and then do the research needed into all members of the Palin family. Then and only then will you find the true connection between the two families. Audrey, you are a true American Patriot!
Here is another clue for you stupendous posters: take the time to look back thru all the posts and all the comments from the beginning. One will find THE PATTERN between the comments especially certain posters and SP’s public comments. One can only imagine what SP has said in private during these certain moments in time. SP is following this blog in particular, don’t be fooled!
I know that this is a bit off topic, but pretty interesting. Have you ever wondered how articles look like that Sarah Palin has written herself? Well...through this wonderful thing called "wayback machine" you can resurrect old websites, and you can find her old campaign website when she was running for governor.
On this page
http://web.archive.org/web/20051219065032/palinforgovernor.com/Articles.htm
there are five articles which were written by her. Her writing style is well worth checking out :-)
And it also confirms that the Palin/Heath family has a tradition of naming their children in a pretty odd ways:
"Mr. Heath is grandpa to 12 fortunate young Alaskans, having an especially unique bond with his autistic eight-year-old grandson. From the first born, Track, on down, to Bristol, Willow, Piper lndi, McKinely, Happy, Karcher, Lauden, Payton, Keir, Heath (just 12 days old!) and Tico (who will enter this world and meet his Grandpa in September), our kids will grow up having the privilege of being positively influenced daily by their very own resident school teacher."
Patrick
I'd like to alert newcomers to this blog that in October Audrey did a post on how SP's church managed to takeover the board of Mat-Su Regional during her tenure as mayor: "What is very clear, however, is that there were at least in the past some DEEP ties between Mat-Su Regional Hospital's board AND Sarah Palin's church."
This goes to the issue that it does not require a large group of conspirators to have made this possible. The cooperation of CBJ and perhaps one high level person at MSRH was all that was needed to perpetrate this fraud. All the usual paperwork and procedures could have been blocked (and not questioned by hospital staff) due to maintaining the governor's privacy.
Also, the possibility that Bristol and Levi are already married has crossed my mind. Someone really should do a search for that type of record.
Finally, if Ms. Johnston really did make those comments about Levi helping out after Trig's birth, I find that astounding. If Bristol and Levi are Trig's parents, I bet she doesn't know. Or else she's rebelling against the situation and giving out signals.
--Mom of One, Esq.
MH..this is gonna sound mean but I dont think she wears glasses to distract from her looks..
In close up photos (think newsweek/time) she is getting those foldy things over her eyes and under eye puffies..
When you get older.. you start detracting from that by wearing sylish frames
think Sophia Loren
When she came out with her line in the 80's I remember reading that stylish glasses are a beauty tool for older women.. hides the bags
Can you imagine how deep the paranoia must be up in MatSu area??
...watching everyone and god forbid a stranger shows in town!!!!
Between the heavy fundies and the so far infamous state troopers...Jeez, the paranoia runs deep.
...one could never be sure, anymore.
Could one...
Rof.
Imagine how creepy it would be...
@B
Sorry correction...Mat Su did not want to go along.
I don't necessarily think that because there was once a page for Trig on 4/18 that he was born then. I think it was initially posted. Someone realized that it was misrepresentation and they did not want to have proof of recording the wrong date on record. Someone (who did the initial post) probably thought they could get away with it. Mat Su did NOT want to go along.
so Levi was on the Slope and being a diaper changing good baby daddy for weeks?
Hi Sarah!
All CBJ or the Dr.(s) that DELIVERED Trig and or Tripp have to do is say so in writing, and all of this nasty mess will go away and we'll all be labled as kooks and worse.
Apparently that aint' gonna happen.
Thanks Audrey, for all of your hard work!
I've been re-thinking some things about Sarah's claim to have given birth to Trig. Based on an estimated delivery date of May 18, 2008 (which is what I've read, at least), CONCEPTION would have occurred on or around August 27, 2007. (There is a conception calculator here that one can calculate conception from a due date.) Granted, intercourse up to 5 days prior to ovulation can result in pregnancy, although it's more likely to result in 2 days prior to ovulation to ovulation day itself.
I guess that this "theory" may be harder to figure out, but if there is a way that we could find out WHERE Todd was between August 22nd and 27th of 2007 we could potentially have additional support for our current theories. (Was he on the North Slope working? Was he 'out at sea' playing fisherman?)
When I have a bit more time, I intend to comb through some of the archives of Alaskan news for those dates just to see if there is any mention of what the first family is up to during potential conception time: if Todd was on the North Slope or fishing and the estimated due date of May 18, 2008 is/was correct it's not too likely that SP conceived Trig, IMO.
I thought she wore glasses because she has a lazy eye? (I have one too which is why it caught my attention).
Chris
Diana at 10:41, great post. Made me think of doctor choice in a different light.
Even if SP was initially seeing Dr CBJ, odd as that may be, why on earth would she not switch to an OB who specializes in high risk pregnancies and a pediatrian who specializes in DS when, according to her own claims, she knew at week 13 she was carrying a DS baby?
If I were 43 (the age SP was at 13 weeks), making the pregnancy high-risk in and of itself, AND carrying a DS baby, there is absolutely no way I would continue to see a family practioner who specializes in child abuse and not OB throughout the pregnancy. Absolutely no way. Regardless of my confidence in CBJ as a family practioner.
And, if they knew Trig was DS at 13 weeks and there was the potential for life-threatening issues at delivery, wild ride aside, wouldn't there have been at least one neonatalist or pediatrician dealing with high risk issues in the delivery room? Everyone I know who has had any issue during pregnancy or delivery has had a pediatrician in the room.
Another angle for documentation and/or investigation.
About SP's motives re: the 'wild ride,' etc...
I read, I think on this blog, a good description of histrionic personality disorder, including "extreme sensitivity to criticism, real or perceived." As I said before, I know a woman who I am convinced is cut from the same cloth; also a woman who is quite successful professionally. I can't get into details, but the parallels are spooky. Anyway, people like this have the magic ability to create their own, self-serving reality. When they manage to end up in positions of power, then they are truly dangerous. Their lives are built on a mountain of illusions. When you poke at those illusions, you threaten the house of cards. When they start to see themselves as Important and Powerful People, the reaction is increasingly extreme. "How dare anyone say 'boo' to The Queen?" "Off with their heads!" If they are in a position of power, then heads can really roll. People like this are manipulative as all heck, but don't have the wherewithal to be Machiavellian, exactly. They will lie casually and persuasively, but whatever lie suits the moment, never mind that the story doesn't begin to add up. Nobody challenges The Queen! Thus do we end up with wild inconsistencies re: the 'wild ride,' how much the pregnancy 'showed,' etc.
Re Levi and Bristol already being married.
I found it odd that Tripp's name is Johnston. And, in his word salad of a name, Palin is not to be found.
So, if they aren't married, and according to recent rumors, may not get married, why Johnston and not Palin? I can't imagine giving my baby the father's last name if I had no intention of marrying him.
Or is the name just following an an old-fashioned, male oriented tradition?
You are on the right path Patrick (SP’s speech pattern), that is one of the clues to solving the Palin Deception Mystery. Continue solving!
Check out this ADN article about the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center's new policy about birth announcements:
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/matsu/story/649766.html
Very curious timing.
In close up photos (think newsweek/time) she is getting those foldy things over her eyes and under eye puffies..
It was proven that those photos were retouched to make her look bad. Even those that are not fans of Palin have stated she is very good looking in person.Ever seen the photos of her in the vogue.com Rebecca Johnson feature story? No glasses on, looks like a different person.
I know plenty of unmarried parents (myself included) whose offspring carry the father's last name, so I don't believe that is unusual regarding why Tripp's last name is Johnston.
Also, I believe SP's glasses are for "lazy eye" (strombosis, sp?). I've seen film footage of her early days in broadcasting and it was quite noticeable, as one eye would often be off-track.
Regarding the Mat-Su hospital, I've also read that the board members are all (or most) members of SP's church. At one time, they tried to ban abortion at that hospital, but were forced to reverse that policy.
I recently reread the September 8th Dallas article (link on Audrey's website) gushing about Warrior Sarah and her amazing childbirth story. Several things struck me:
1) She says that a couple days before she announced to the media that she was pregnant, she told several of her colleague. And THEN she told her parents and children, right before she told the media. If this whole ridiculous tale really is true, what does what it say about Sarah's relationship with her mom? She waits months to tell her mom, deals with the angst of discovering her child will be DS alone, and then tells her colleagues first? And what does it say about her relationship with her 17-year-old daughter? By that age a mother and daughter should be moving into that wonderful close relationship they will enjoy when the child becomes an adult. Yet Sarah keeps her pregnancy secret from Bristol? Strange family values that are being held up to the country as something we should all admire and strive to emulate.
2) The reporter obviously interviewed Sarah's sister, who must be added to the list of those in the narrow circle that knows the truth (as she would if Bristol stayed with her). They claim Sarah wrote a letter to her sister telling her the child would have DS, evidently seeking support since one of the sister's children is autistic. Now, Sarah supposedly lives with a Blackberry in each hand, but WRITES her sister rather than calling her? I don't think so.
This story stinks in so many places, it's incredible.
HOWEVER, to those who say Sarah must have a photo of her in the hospital with her newborn Trig, I have to admit that I don't have such a photo of me with my second. I had such a photo taken with my firstborn, after a hideous labor, and I looked like I'd been mauled by a pack of Huns. Everybody who's ever seen that photo says "Oh, my God! You look awful!" So even though the second labor was MUCH easier, I didn't want another such photo taken. Plus, the second child's face was all puffy and bruised. We didn't take her picture until it went down about a week later. Of course, that was in the days before digital cameras and cell phones.
BTW, Dr. B-J declines to comment.
Off-topic but this is from the First Gent's bio on the Gov's web-site: "Mr. Palin and his wife, Governor Sarah Palin, both graduated from Wasilla High School and married in 1988 after college. The Palins have five children, Track, Willow, Bristol, Piper and Trig. Their son, Track, enlisted in the U.S. Army on Sept. 11, 2007."
1. Notice the phrasing which leads the reader to believe that Todd also finished college. (He did not)
2. It really bugs me how Sarah Palin uses Track's enlistment date for political purposes. It leaves me with an icky feeling.
-Mom of One, Esq.
Anonymous at 9:57am: Where was it proven that the Time and Newsweek photos were retouched to make her look bad?
I would find it much more believeable that the Vogue photos were airbrushed. The fashion magazines airbrush routinely.
Ohio mom
The 2008 Conservative Political Action Conference was February 4th. It is interesting that Sarah missed her chance to speak at it. It would have been a feather in her cap. Must have been something important.
@Patrick,
Would you please be so kind as to repost the link to Palin's archived gubernatorial campaign site? Perhaps using tinyurl? I could not access the link as posted; it was cut off at "palinforg" on my browser. Thanks to you and Kathleen for all you are doing and have done.
Gratefully,
Lister
If people have seen Palin in person and swear she is beautiful upclose ..that is proof enough
But as for gauging one's beauty on media images .. please don't
I worked for AOL for years touching up photos .. I touch up my own even.. It is amazing.. i will look bedhead one minute.. just soften here and there.. remove some shadows.. add a little color via hue/saturation.. make the eyes a little whiter and the pupils a little more distinct..
magazine images DONT show the real person
Never heard proof of Newsweek retouching it to make it look bad.. where did you see that?
But like you said.. if someone got in her face at a rally or something and swears she is dang beautiful.. then I do believe that
Hi Anita
I deduced this from what was said on the ADN editor's column's two days ago:
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136415
The editor wrote about this communication from Sarah Palin:
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This was her final question:
And is your paper really still pursuing the sensational lie that I am not Trig's mother? Is it true you have a reporter still bothering my state office, my very busy doctor (who's already set the record straight for you), and the school district, in pursuit of your ridiculous conspiracy?”
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Later, the editor responds:
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Lisa Demer started reporting. She received very little cooperation in her efforts from the parties who, in my judgment, stood to benefit most from the story, namely you and your family. Even so, we reported the matter as thoroughly as we could. Several weeks ago, when we considered the information Lisa had gathered, we decided we didn't have enough of a story to accomplish what we had hoped. Lisa moved on to other topics and we haven't decided whether the idea is worth any further effort.
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Add to this information one of the comments that followed the article:
Jim62sch wrote on 01/10/2009 09:30:54 PM:
loflyer21 - grow up, Troofer. The Eddie Burke Show reported that Lisa Demer was threatening the governor's doctor with "no comment" lines unless she violated HIPAA.
Thus:
1. SP's office says she made the doctor available and apparently the reporter called back asking for another interview.
2. The editor suggests that they could not run the story because of a lack of cooperation from the Palin camp.
3. A Palin supporter says that the reporter "threatened" the doctor with a "no comment" for the story.
Assuming that these three sources are all telling the truth, it appears to me that the doctor was interviewed and refused to talk about the birth. Otherwise, if she did talk about the birth, it makes little sense that the ADN did not run with some kind of story or that Palin supporters would be claiming that the reporter told the doctor that she was going to run the story with a "no comment" from the doctor.
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Philosopher Jay 12:42 pm >> Yesterday we learned that she did give her doctor permission to hold an interview with a reporter from ADN. Apparently, the birth was something that the doctor either wouldn't or couldn't talk about.<<
We did? How did I miss that? Can you give us a link, please?
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Emma @ 9:48,
This was one of the key indicators for me that something just wasnt right about the birth story. Having also had two high-risk pregnancies myself (one of them being a 25 week preemie)I can't fathom the notion that she had essentially a general practitioner handling the case.
My best guess is that she was not aware ahead of the actual birth that the baby was DS, that Bristol is the mother and gave birth to Trigg in March thus initiating the ruse. Someone mentioned that its possible that adoption arrangements with an outside party fell through and that Palin never intended for anyone to know about the baby at all. There are any number of plausible possibilities for what the circumstances were but the overwhelming evidence compiled by this blog and others is that there is no way Palin could have delivered a 6+ pound baby 1 day after her conference in Texas. The holes in her story keep multiplying and details such as the type of physician she had following her alleged pregnancy are making this story look like swiss cheese!
Boy! that was fast. The link to the archives given by Patrick is now not available. Hope someone captured that.
sandra in oregon
Anonymous said @ 1/11/09 8:56 AM: MH..this is gonna sound mean but I dont think she wears glasses to distract from her looks..
In close up photos (think newsweek/time) she is getting those foldy things over her eyes and under eye puffies..
When you get older.. you start detracting from that by wearing sylish frames... stylish glasses are a beauty tool for older women.. hides the bags
I can certainly confirm that! Since childhood I've had "thin skin" under my eyes making me look bruised or tired, so even with glasses sometimes I need to apply a color-correcting makeup stick.
Also, I don't believe contact lenses correct the strabismus problem Palin has, so she MUST wear glasses if she doesn't want to appear cross-eyed (echoing some other posters' comments).
Personally, I think crinkles around the eyes add character, but if Palin is trying to hide THOSE by wearing glasses, she should choose glasses with solid frames. 'Cuz the wrinkles show with the $700 model she's been wearing.
Which reminds me -- to Anonymous @ 9:57 AM just above -- take a look at these 2 pictures of SP and Todd the Dude holding Trig on 4/23/08 (OT: the expression on SP's face in that first picture...looks more like fear than happiness...I guess she wasn't ready to plaster a smile on her face yet)
http://tinyurl.com/98gatx
and
http://tinyurl.com/83mvpf
Anyway, point being, she's pretty wrinkly around the eyes in these pictures -- which I'd expect from such an outdoorsy gal.
I'm getting "failed to connect -- page load error" for this link by Patrick
http://web.archive.org/web/20051219065032/palinforgovernor.com/Articles.htm
Is it because we all went there at once? Or was it removed?
--Amy the first
Fly on The Wall... Do you *know* more than the rest of us?
Were there twins born in the palin family last spring?
KAT,
that has been my take.
SP's behavior has all the characteristics of histrionic personality disorder / narcissism.
what i know of this condition is that perversely the more the person is exposed the more fiercely she holds on to the 'fiction' that is her life.
As often happens when I come here, I ended up on an old post, reading the comments, thinking it was the new one-- and finding all kinds of tidbits on the OLD comments that I'd missed.
--Like using a Due Date Generator to go backwards and see the block of time when Palin would have had to conceive. To know where she was, and possibly where Todd was during that time.
Or the little nugget about Sarah's church owning the Mat-Su hospital! Holy cow. I didn't know that.
So, here's my question.
Am I alone in wanting a consolidation of all the reasonable bits of info from this site? Like a written argument presenting ALL the supporting pieces of information that raise doubts about Palin birthing Trig.
I have fantasized about a journalist coming in and doing this: synthesizing all the material on this blog into a readable, ordered document. But Audrey is an excellent writer, as is Morgan, and many others on here -- couldn't you all do this?
If you lay out all the anomolies side by side (like Patrick and Diane's photos) they would add up to a mountain of doubt.
Anonymous (1012 am) said...
"I know plenty of unmarried parents (myself included) whose offspring carry the father's last name, so I don't believe that is unusual regarding why Tripp's last name is Johnston."
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That's very true. My own first grandchild was born out of wedlock, and has had my oldest son's name since birth. They did eventually marry a couple years later. It was always their intent to marry.
I think things are just a lot more laid back these days. Unwed mothers don't have the stigma that they did back in the 50s and 60s.
Of course, with SP's claim to "small town family values", maybe to her (and that church?), things haven't really changed all that much. Maybe to those of tht mindset, unwed mothers are the same shameful disgrace they were way back in the day.
I would suggest that anyone who thinks the governor's schedule will provide any clues about pre-natal care, etc. read the report by Andrew Halcro at andrewhalcro.com/a_day_in_the_life. This is not you "usual" governor.
sandra in oregon
As per Diana
Circa March 14: flys from Juneau to Anchorage
(Long time to be in Anchorage...can anyone account for her schedule.
Maybe Bristol had the baby in Anchorage?)
Circa March 27: flys from Anchorage to Juneau
I think this is when little Trig was born. Sarah had already missed one convention (conservative convention in February) and was no way going to miss the one in April. She was well aware that she was being considered for VP. She had time to make a plan to come home in the middle of the night from Texas to try to fool everyone. This also coincides with Levi quitting school in March. Why else would he have quit then? He was already a parent and helping Bristol.
Be sure to read Andrew Halcro's latest post "A Day in the Life..."
Also: the question raised by others regarding Tripp's last name as Johnston-- where can Alaskans go for a "quickie Las Vegas style wedding?" What are the requirements in Canada, for example? What is the legal age at which they can marry-- or would they require parental consent?
Mr. Pat Dougherty, the editor at ADN, is scared and nervous! Read his comment to a blogger below.
It's like he is trying very hard to justify to the Palinites that they should not be mad at ADN because ADN ignored this conspiracy theory for months and only decided to report on it to prove the conspiracy theory wrong. (I'm assuming that they (ADN) thought that this would be positive for SP but it backfired on them.)
I guess what's so funny about this is that they (ADN) couldn't even prove that Trig was Sarah biological child. And because of this non-proof, they were not able to issue a report. Isn't that strange?
Interesting!
MNI_IS_BANKRUPT:
Did you actually read my post? Most of the criticism of the Daily News, over this issue, has come from conspiracy proponents who believe the Daily News has been covering up for Palin by failing to reveal the truth, i.e. she is not Trig's mom. We ignored the conspiracy nonsense through September, October and November. Then, In December, we asked some questions but decided there wasn't enough of a story there to justify the effort. Perhaps you could you explain how the newspaper villifies someone by NOT doing a story?
Pat "the Unhinged" Dougherty
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