I am posting this in response for the increasing calls that I accept money (mostly via Paypal donations) for the work I am doing on the blog, and also so a P.I. can be hired to go to Alaska and investigate the story.
I am very fortunate to be at a position in my life where I can afford to take on a project like this on my own dime. I originally became interested in this story, not because of any feelings or doubts about Sarah Palin per se ... I had never even heard of her... but because as a childbirth educator and a natural childbirth advocate, I have been disgusted and frustrated through the years over the constant and chronic misreporting of childbirth and childbirth related stories in the main stream media. My original interest in Sarah Palin was very "one dimensional;" I assumed that some moron of a male reporter had gotten that birth story wrong, since, of course, it could not have really happened that way. It was only a bit later -when I came to understand that that was in fact "her story and she was sticking to it," that I started digging deeper, leading to... today.
But I digress.
As I said, I am in a financial position that I can put my time and energy into this, and I am choosing to do so. I believe that by not taking any money at all for anything, I keep things "cleaner," and this is how I will continue to operate.
Just as an aside, on the question of a private investigator: Obviously, hiring such an individual would be an enormously expensive task. I think all would agree that a local "man" could not be used, since, while I am sure anyone who was asked would protest that they were "fair, balanced, and unbiased," anyone from the local area could potentially have strong feelings about Gov. Palin (either pro OR con). Even if the person WAS completely unbiased, no one would ever believe that, and I think results would basically be worthless to the public at large.
This would leave bringing someone in from the outside, an impressively expensive task, considering a plane ticket from anywhere in the "Lower 48" (without, say, a two week advance purchase) would run at least $1000.00... and that's just to start. Then there would be the car rental, the daily rate, the hotel. Such a venture could easily top $10,000... and frankly, I doubt it would have much effect.
I have never mentioned this on the blog before, but I know of a rather prominent and well-funded free lance journalist who, in September, did exactly what we are proposing... flew to Wasilla on his own dime. He poked around for days... going to the hospital... trying to get people to talk to him. He tried to interview anyone from the Johnston family - no luck. He was unsuccessful in getting a single person who was willing to go on the record to say either that they knew Trig WAS Sarah's OR that they knew he was NOT.
After five days, he went home, though his final comment on the experience to me has always stuck with me. What troubled him the most was "how afraid everyone is of her."
So... to repeat... while I appreciate more than anyone can know the level of concern that people have shown (and the many kind letters of thanks I have received) I have made the decision not to accept financial backing of any sort for continuing to do this. Furthermore, many people have mentioned a "book deal" to me. This is the farthest thing from my mind, and not a goal at all, though I am enough of a realist to know that - depending on the outcome here - it's not an impossibility.
So I am making this statement here, now, publicly. Should that ever happen, any revenue I receive from any book will be used as follows: First, I have several "volunteers" who have helped my in my research enormously. Some of their names you know... others have stayed behind the scenes. I would use some of the revenue to provide a benefit to them as my way of saying thank you; a cruise or vacation of some sort for the whole group. However, any additional revenue beyond this will be donated to an apolitical cause that would have relevance to this issue: support for rape victims in Alaska, perhaps, or research on Down's Syndrome.
Audrey
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Time. It is precious, they say. It flies, they say. And former Republican
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551 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 551 of 551Just wanted to add some more moral support and to say that this effort is getting real legs now all over the place. But don't expect Palin to do anything to stop it because she's got herself in a corner now and she has nothing left to do but strike out at those poking sticks at her.
Don G.
I hope this isn't a repeat. Go to Andrew Halcro's blog today. Seems insiders are starting to talk.
Andrew Halcro
When reading Andrew Halcro's blog entry, keep in mind that Palin's
long time scheduler and executive secretary quit last week.
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/a_day_in_the_life
Great piece
I picked up the Peoplee mag that has the story on the Palin-Johnston baby. Stopped about 2 paragraphs in when I read the following quote from Sherry Johnston" "Bristol and Levi were so excited when they found out Bristol was pregnant that 2 weeks later they went out and bought a car seat and crib."
NOTHING that SP and the people around her say ever rings true. There are a million and 1 things wrong with that statement
Two items: first:
(who's already set the record straight for you)
I think this is an oblique reference to her doctor's election eve letter and nothing more.
The Newsweek criticism was that they or some other mag put Sarah on the cover without removing some of her existing imperfections, like facial hair. In other words they showed her how she really looks.
I just listened to the podcast Patrick alerted us to, defending SP, criticizing Ellen Bemer for trying to get school records about Bristol (I hope this is not true). If one listened ONLY to this, one would have questions about our effort here.
They snickered at our look at the Gusty+SP/3Amigos photos.
But they failed to explain the small --> big --> small --> photos or any of the puzzling issues we have mentioned here. Plus the broadcast had this unpleasant tone of two good ole boys yukking it up at the stupidity of everyone else in the world. Pretty hard to listen to, but I soldiered on to the end.
Dangerous: I badly want to read your scenario. Is it in the mail to me?
--Amy the first
OCEAN, thanks for that link.
W O W !!! THAT is SEARING!
the ground under all-things-PALIN is CRACKING!
Sarah will do ANYTHING to cover up her lies--this is the latest:
"Mat-Su hospital halts birth announcements"
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/matsu/story/649766.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted#Comments_Container
OK, Fly On The Wall, I'm game. It's the da-Palin Code! So, what if I connect the following dots?
1. An earlier comment (in its entirety), containing the word, "fly."
"But, to those of you who thought Trig was Sherry Johnston's child, she states she had a hysterectomy eight years ago. Aahh, your theories are starting to fly out the window :)...."
January 8, 2009 3:25 PM
2. Mention of "fly on the wall " in much earlier comment.
"If I could go back in time to any single place and be a fly on the wall, the Feb 15 luncheon would be it. We have all three Palin women in the same place, indoors, with other people around. Does ANYONE have pictures?"
Dangerous
January 6, 2009 8:41 AM
3. Then today a comment by "Fly on The Wall:"
"Here is the clue that all posters here at this site need: do the needed research into all members of the Johnston family and then do the research needed into all members of the Palin family. Then and only then will you find the true connection between the two families."
January 11, 2009 8:24 AM
Is it possible that someone who knows IS telling us that none of the Palin women bore Trig-- but that a woman in the Johnston family did? And that Sarah is trolling this site-- and trying to lead us away from Sherry Johnston? Did Sherry get arrested to scare her into silence? What if Trig were the brother of both Levi and Bristol (or brother/nephew)? Wouldn't that forge a kind of bizarre relational bond for teens already in love and explain the obvious love they displayed at the convention for the baby?
Very very intriguing, Fly. I like it.
These consecutive passages from the Halcro piece on his blog has me intrigued (I set them off in ***):
***Meanwhile the governor's spokesman is on the phone to a local reporter who has called to inquire about rumors swirling around about the governor's daughter and her boyfriend whho have just become proud parents. The type of rumors that could land a huge payday from inquiring minds.***
That's obviously a National Enquirer reference, which makes me happy because they know how to dig. The obvious rumors to me would be: no baby yet; not their first baby; parentage issues.
***Consider yourself fortunate because the governor hasn't even returned the phone calls of Barabara Walters or Chris Matthews, the former news reporter turned press flack says to the young local reporter.
But the reporter isn't buying the fortunate son angle. He's knows his intel is solid and the governor will have no choice but to pick up the phone and talk to him. And that she does.***
It's gotta be baby stuff; it's the only topic SP seems willing to address and if it were political, she'd talk to Walters or Matthews. The phrase "fortunate son" has me intrigued; to me it immediately conjures up the Creedence Clearwater Revival war protest song that includes the lines "I ain't no senator's son," "I ain't no millionaire's son," "I ain't no military son." It's about a kid who gets drafted and unlike children of privilege, he's getting sent to Viet Nam. Is this about Track in some way? I think this investigation is really going to bear fruit...
Did anyone save the writings that Patrick referred to? I think it may be interesting to compare it to Dr. letter distributed the night before the election. I think we have all the pieces here. We just haven't put them together. but Sarah (who's on here, HI Sarah) knows that everything is right here!
Adding to my previous comment about why SP would continue with general practioner instead of OB and neonatalist/pediatrician once, per admission she knew she was carrying a DS baby.
The other thing that smells fishy is from the physician's perspective. Would a general practioner really continue to be the sole OB doctor for a 43/44 year old woman carrying a DS baby, especially given that woman is the governor of a state? Seems like a potential malpractice suit waiting to happen, and a doctor would refer her to a specialist if for no other reason to protect herself. Audrey, physicians or others who are familiar with the OB medical field, does this make sense?
And, of course, if Dr CBJ continued to be the sole practioner, I don't find it credible for a second that she would not insist SP get to a hospital the minute her water broke at 36 weeks with a DS baby. Again, to do anything otherwise would be entering malpractice territory.
The CA Health Ins person is back with some more info.....
Although some don't believe insurance was a driving factor for Sarah Palin's decisions regarding Trig (particularly if he is Bristol's), I have found some pretty compelling information that would support this to be a highly mitigating factor, right after protecting her political aspirations.
Assuming Bristol was pregnant as most of us suspect:
Per my prior post, one CANNOT add a "dependent (Trig) of a dependent (Bristol)" to a group insurance plan (Sarah's, or Todd's for that matter). Maternity would be covered, but the newborn could not be added to said policy (unless legally adopted by policyholder).
If Trig had to go to the ACHIA (High Risk Pool), it would have cost SOMEONE an additional $281-$353 per month premium for a decent plan PLUS there is a 6 month waiting list for policy to even issue and coverage to start, and a pre-existing waiting period besides that.
See premiums here, for 0-18 years:
https://www.achia.com/docs/PPO%20and%20Traditional%20Plan%20Rates.pdf
Medicaid/Denali Kidcare is NOT an option either, as Bristol was a minor at the time, and family income/assets are considered. The Palin's income and assets are FAR above the income guidelines.
Sarah's state employee plan (medical only factored here) runs from $822 - $1227 per month for her plus family, depending on plan selected.
See here:
http://www.state.ak.us/drb/ghlb/select-premcard-2008-2009.pdf
Sarah likely gets $867 per month benefit credits from the state to use towards her premiums as shown here, bottom line (exempt executive):
http://www.state.ak.us/drb/ghlb/2008-2009-benefit-credits.shtml
It makes very clear sense that she needed to be able to add Trig to her policy, which would not cost her an extra dime over what she pays now, if she is on the family rate already (very likely). Again, the only way she could do that is if he were HER dependent, and not Bristol's.
Here are the documentation requirements to add dependents to the state's plan (See Legally Adopted Child):
http://www.state.ak.us/drb/ghlb/dependent-eligibility-documentation.pdf
PLEASE NOTE (this is HUGE): If the adoption paperwork was already completed PRIOR to birth, it appears that the adopters' names can go directly on the BIRTH CERTIFICATE!! See where it says "Adoption papers not required if the members name is on the birth certificate"? I think this lends itself to assuming the adoption was not decided upon until after Trig was born. However, even if she had to produce a birth certificate AND adoption papers, it was clearly in her financial interest to adopt Trig.
Further financial evidence for making sure this child had coverage is in this CDC article of new case birth defect costs from 1992 and you KNOW costs have skyrocketed since then. They simply could not afford to have Trig go uncovered medically, period. See the 4th paragraph for Down's Syndrome costs:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00038946.htm
As for not being able to confirm any of this somewhere or through someone....I've seen MANY posts here asking why Dr. CBJ doesn't "just write or provide" or why the "insurance company doesn't provide"....etc etc. The fact is this:
The penalties for violating HIPAA privacy laws are SEVERE! I don't know if there is anyone, anywhere, who now works in the health care industry who is willing to risk loss of their job (violations are almost certain termination) plus the penalties/liabilities involved.
On to more surmising on my part~
I do not believe Trig was due in May. I believe we only have Sarah's word on that, and we know how good that is (not).
I do believe that Trig's actual due date was likely March or maybe April, and that he was in fact born early...at least prior to SP announcing she was pregnant.
I also think it is VERY likely that Bristol sought care on her own initially (Planned Parenthood? At home pregnancy test?) and this actually could have come sometime past the 1st trimester. I have to imagine that as the daughter of the Governor of the State of AK, you'd probably stay in strong denial as long as possible about being pregnant, and seek care later rather than sooner, and literally be scared to death to say anything to your mother. If Bristol delayed prenatal care, she could certainly have been classified as high risk due to age and delayed care. She may have been instructed by a low cost clinic, or even a family md to immediately seek care from a qualified OB/GYN rather than her regular doctor.
To that end, I kind of doubt that she was screened for a DS baby and it wasn't found until birth; I do think the birth occured prematurely at Mat-Su, but Trig could very likely have been transferred to Anchorage if he was early/DS to the NICU. From there, he could have transferred back for grow time (discharging in April).
Because Sarah is the ultimate Drama Queen, and we know that she doesn't know when to shut up, she came up with the Wild Ride Birth Story for damage control. We all know that hospitals are famous for saying "You might get to go home today" and then it doesn't happen, or "You'll be going home Thursday" and they get you out a day early...This could very well have been the reason for the haphazard Wild Ride story, changing of flights, etc. Sarah HAD to be there when Trig was being discharged.
Once again, I will say that if Bristol sought her prenatal care through a different MD than CBJ, it is highly likely that SP could have merely related the story of her pregnancy (Sarah's fake one I mean) for CBJ to put in her own record without any substantiation of any kind. Believe me, Doctors put just about everything YOU say about your health history into your record without any other proof. CBJ then would have no wrongdoing in writing the letter she wrote after the VP announcement if the information was provided by Sarah herself. One additional note here (just thought of this): I find it to be highly unlikely that a family MD would treat a 44 year old woman with a known DS baby on the way (Sarah's story) due to MEDICAL MALPRACTICE...most MM policies certainly contain a "scope of license or practice" clause, ie, if you are an orthopedic surgeon, your policy probably isn't going to cover you for wrongdoing during a brain surgery, for example. Certainly, if I were in CBJ's shoes, I would be referring said client to a qualified high risk OB/GYN. So, that too (also), paints an unlikely picture for Sarah being pregnant herself with this infant and being cared for by CBJ during the pregnancy.
Ok, I think I'm done again for awhile. BTW, let's just watch and see if the State Benefit Documents I linked to suddenly disappear...if they do, you all will *know* SP and her hacks have been here....
What fun!
@ Kat who posted Jan. 11th @ 9:51 am:
I think we all know someone like this. They are very slick, usually boast or lie about the responsibility that their job entails, or praise themselves to whoever will listen, trying to bolster their own professional reputations. Then, on the other hand, they'll talk about how hard their job is and about how nobody understands how stressful it can be, and how much harder the job is for them than anyone. They do generally try to come off like their job is more important, or they have more power, than they actually do (a fact most people never can verify). They also tend to strive for more power than they have.
SP does have a considerable amount of political power in AK. Women will make it up the coporate ladder faster if they're manipulative and play games anyway; imagine the rewards for a woman who is already skilled at that kind of psychological manipulation. Powerful positions are very often sought after by narcissistic, sociopathic people. They will not tolerate detractors. They surround themselves with powerful people, or who represent power to them (doctors and churches?) or anyone who can do them favours. SP is surrounded by key yes-people who will pull strings for her out of fear, and that's a fear that most personality disordered manipulators don't need to use words to put across. They train the people around them like monkeys to behave in a way that's suitable for them to get whatever it is they're after - and they're always after something.
They don't want any surprises, so they're very controlling. Surprises scare them, and when they're panicked, things get very strange around them, because if they aren't controlling what's happening, to them it means they've lost control. I think we're watching this all unfold for her right now. She's scrambling to get some control back - by BLAMING EVERYONE! And that's usually how you know these people are on the edge of losing it.
What happens with lies/liars like these is that the perpetrators enlist others, by proxy, to participate in the farce without their consent or knowledge. I think this is what's happening with PM.
I keep hearing posters here ask, when will she stop, how can she just lie like this? She will NEVER stop. The lies will just change to fit each new situation. Rather than learn from her mistakes, say, by being ashamed that she can't name a few newspapers and prepare herself for next time, she lashes out at the person who cast light on the fact that she doesn't read newspapers. It's what they do, because it's all they know how to do.
Sarah has had opportunities to own up, and what has she done? Pointed an accusing finger everywhere but at herself (including at her own daughter, son-in-law-to-be, mother of same, Tina Fey, Katie Couric, John McCain... the list is long).
The People magazine article will definitely cause alarm bells to ring. Whether or not anyone actually pays attention (besides us!) is another story.
I think her house of cards is toppling, and it will be Leona Helmsley ugly. This woman will never admit her own shortcomings unless it benefits her or makes her look altruistic (if anything, it will be "I was protecting my daughter" when she's brought to task). I'm interested to see how this plays out once the media scrutiny outside the blogosphere (that SP is so loudly dismissing - LOL!) sinks their teeth in.
PM will probably be deluged with emails about Sherry's comments and how the timeline doesn't add up, but I'm not sure People will investigate anything further, with the big "Tripp scoop" pending.
Everyone here is doing a marvelous job. Thanks for your efforts. The truth always comes out.
T in Canada
Again, I apologize in advance for another long-winded post: please fasten your seat belts.
I badly want to know a conclusive verdict on the Gusty+SP and 3Amigos photos.
But now I am thinking: Let's say we can show without a doubt that they were doctored, we still have the problem of whether it's an empathy suit or a real pregnancy in the doctored photos. I mean proving which one it is.
Of course, like the MD letter with its MANY irregularities, one can create a scenario of PROVING that letter and photos were heavily doctored and still not proving the invalidity of SP's pregnancy.
Even if it was a hoax, even if the documents are doctored, Dr CBJ can say "I doctored them, yet I stand by the content," and the Gusty team can say "Yes we faked the photos, guilty as charged, but the Gov was really pregnant."
So this brought to mind one of my fave quotes:
"Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk." --Henry David Thoreau
I wish some of you English experts or lawyers would weigh in here to correct me, but I have always thought this phrase to mean this: John is all alone on a farm, walks by the barn, sees a pail of milk, and is astonished to see a trout splashing around in it.
Whoa! What's going on here? Something's not right! (Sound familiar?)
--Did someone pass by here right before me? But I didn't see anyone.
--Did this fish jump out of a stream or some body of water into this milk pail? But there's no such stream anywhere near here.
--Is this an example of spontaneous generation (i.e., the trout embryo miraculously found itself in the milk and grew up here)? Naah, trouts can't live in milk, and the milk is fresh, so no time for trout growth.
--Did this fish fall out of the sky, right into this bucket? Possible, I guess, but I've never heard of such a thing before.
--Are there any other possibilities? ??
--Is someone playing a trick on me?
--What's going on here?
So poor old John, like us, doesn't quite know what to make of all this, but it is clear that something is not right. Eventually, he will figure it out (I sincerely do hope). But for now, he has strong signs of something, but no proof of anything.
So what we have here on this blog is a LOT of circumstantial evidence. Well, maybe some of it is not evidence, but it's some mighty odd stuff. Like a trout in the milk.
I bet most of us did not start out suspecting anything bad about SP. I didn't -- I wanted her to be wonderful, even if we disagreed politically), but we were all stopped in our tracks over and over by these odd data points. And now, having looked closer, it just gets weirder and weirder.
That's why I keep pointing to the series of pregnancy photos. Some of us have looked closely at those photos, and no one has suggested that THEY are fake. And if they are not, it has to be impossible to explain things in any way but NO PREGNANCY FOR SP. And a believable answer to this one question (What's with these photos? How can a pregnancy get bigger and then smaller, and be so small right before a 6+ pound birth?"), alone, would answer all my questions, without any recourse to even mentioning the other members of the family, showing documents, or really much else.
--Amy the first
RW at 11:43 says "Were there twins born in the palin family last spring?"
Interesting thought, one that's crossed my mind. But, curious what leads you to think that?
Btw, given SP and/or close supporters are obviously reading this, I recommend sending email to Audrey with details and making copies of any online evidence, first.
This is totally off-topic, but here goes: Sarah's flat tummy while she was 'pregnant' brings to mind a similar situation years ago, when I was still in high school. A neighboring girl, who was a couple of years older than I was but who regularly sat with me on the school bus, astonished everyone by giving birth to a 7 lb. baby girl. She never looked pregnant; she went to the hospital one day for possible appendicitis and came out with a baby. Her mother was mind-blown and took some time off work to recover from the shock.
This was a first baby, mind you, and the girl's posture was awful and no doubt had something to do with her pregnancy not being detected.
Definitely some pregnancies are not visible. Having said that, I still don't believe Palin.
I'm a lawyer (nonpracticing at the moment); I always understood the "trout in the milk" line to be a reference to circumstanial evidence. Apparently it was once a practice for dairy people to water down milk. So the reference means, if you found a trout in your milk that's pretty good evidence that it was watered down.
Good point about trying to grab internet evidence before we talk about it here-- it DOES seem to disappear around SP, doesn't it?
Chris
To Alex: Yes, thank you! Some good old fashioned common sense! It is also not so far fetched of a conspiracy theory to assume that it might not be Sherry Johnston but Mercedes “Sadie” Johnston! Can you imagine how mad SP was when she found out about the MySpace page? She might have put the pictures up on MySpace to show them to Track Palin because he wanted to SEE a picture of his son (or officially adopted brother).
I understood that earlier reference to twins to mean "Irish twins," explained by someone when we were noodling the idea of one pregnancy quickly following another, and how close could they be?
And this 19th century term meant two babies born to one Mom in rapid succession, a snarky slur on the poor Irish immigrants who had few resources, and certainly no contraception, which was forbidden anyway by the Catholic church, plus all that drinking that accompanied Irish despair.
So what the recent poster meant, I thought, was the expectation that the two babies would be there, Tripp AND Track, when the reporter visited and Bristol/Willow answered the door.
--Amy the first
That radio show on KBYR with Palin spokesman, Bill McAllister pretty much lays out where things are at with the Trig issue.
Proof is not forthcoming regarding Trig because this issue is still only in the realm of some anonymous/low-profile internet bloggers (save for A. Sullivan). Thus, there is no real political pressure for them to do anything other than claim the rumours to be silly. Why worry about something that the vast majority of the political world, the public's view, and the media, are not questioning?
Thus, my "why kick a sleeping dog" theory. Meaning, why thrust a bunch of certified statements, medical records, birth certificate, and DNA testing into the face of the public and media, when they are not even asking for it (in general)? And when they all scratch their heads and say "why are you making a big deal about something we assumed was already true", their response is "well, a few internet bloggers have been bugging us about it".
Even if the information they provide totally backs up Sarah as the birthmother of Trig, now they have woken up a media that will begin hitting Sarah with stories about 'a paranoid Palin conducting bizarre press conferences to desperately prove an assumed truth! If she is this overreactive to a few bloggers, what things does she really have hidden away that could be exposed?'
The other reason that bringing out proof is a losing proposition for Palin, is that, as time has gone on, fewer and fewer documents are being deemed as acceptable proof by people on this blog. Some have said that NOTHING will satisfy them now.
So, in summary, if they submit a bunch of information to prove Sarah gave birth to Trig, they end up with, a) a general public and media that now view Sarah as a crazy woman who holds bizarre press conferences to prove an assumed truth and may have actual things to hide, and, b) a group of bloggers who instigated the whole document dump, who claim that none of it satisfies their questions, because any, or all, of it could be corrupt.
So, if they provide proof, they are now in a much worse political and public relations position than they are right now (even if the information provided indicates Sarah is correct).
So, she may not like it and she may grumble to the press about it, but as long as the present dynamics stay the same, there is no "win" for her to provide evidence, and no real pressure on her to do so.
Caroline @ January 11, 2009 3:40 PM
How large was the girl who was pregnant, who didn't look it but then gave birth?
There have been a few ladies at work who are heavier and never looked pregnant. They were able to hide it almost till the end, but I've not seen a very skinny lady ever be able to hide it towards the end of her pregnancy. We have 5 ladies now who are pregnant in our office. All are very thin and there's no way that they can hide it after 5-6 months. (and they are all right around 5-6 months now)
a very telling detail in the ANDREW HALCRO post is this.
seems like SP and TP have something to hide:
"But the staff member knows that the request for darker tinted windows isn't because of a desire for privacy, it's because over the last few months complaints have been filed about the governor's apparent disregard of posted speed limits on the Glenn Highway.
"After being told that the vehicles factory tint on the windows is the darkest allowed by Anchorage Municipal code, he stalks off as if looking for another answer from another staff member. The governor's husband has become a permanent fixture in the office, more so than any previous first spouse."
The game is afoot, Fly.
I've been scanning zillions of past comments and found more than one with Palin Syntax. Every one of the them tries to lead away from SP or to focus on Bristol.
I'm keeping a pile of the comments and will post them eventually.
In fact, one comment had caught by eye a few days ago because the syntax was so totally wonky. I had thought at the time, very palinesque.
I can't believe no one else is playing.
Here's one contender:
Anonymous
I used to be in the tv news bz more than 10 yrs ago.
Getting a reporter to be part of the cover-up is HIGHLY, HIGHLY unlikely... Even in wacky Alaska. Getting a reporter and the tv photographer both to be in the conspiracy is darn near unbelievable.
Love the blog Audrey. But we're getting nowhere with the photo stuff.
Our hope lies in someone getting a few neighbors or teenagers to talk about what they may have witnessed with Bristol during the time in question.
December 28, 2008 12:16 AM
Go to an earlier post in October 2008 called “What the Bristol Palin Pregnancy Rumors Really Tell Us” there is a comment on December 26th! Common sense says: interesting timing!
Anon (January 11, 2009 3:09 PM):
What a fabulous post! I think between you and Fly and Alex (and everyone else's teamwork!), you have broken the code!
And look, Fly has confirmed it. But Fly: is this your theory (and it IS a good one) or do you KNOW?
--Amy the first
Go to an earlier post in September 2008 called “Sarah Palin’s Birth Story: A Work in Progress” and there is a “mad” comment on November 10th! SP gave an interview the next day that she was still wondering why people were asking about Trig. I am just a use common sense girl!
@Fly on the wall
Why would Sadie wait so long to put newborn pictures of Trig on her MySpace account in August or September (I don’t remember which) when Track did not ship out for Iraq until the summer? Why not current pictures?
Three pictures that I believe are concrete…03-14-08; 03-26-08; and the one the week of April 8th with a square pillow. Put those three pictures side by side in the MSM and ask the world…did that one give birth to a 6+ lb baby 3-4 weeks later.
Audrey, associates and fellow bloggers…keep up the work…someone is getting undoubtedly nervous.
Regarding S Johnston...I read she was in pain because of back problems...then recently she said a hysterectomy.
Strange...again.
Regarding insurance coverage, why fake a pregnancy?
If the child in question belongs to Levi and Bristol, then Levi Johnston would have been responsible for any hospital or medical bills, not the Palins.
And what about the Native American coverage Todd spoke about?
"Fortunate Son", a biography of George W Bush, dealt with his preferential treatment in school, business and the military. The book was discredited when the author's past felony convictions were revealed.
Maybe Halcro meant the reporter will not be discredited like the author of "Fortunate Son."
Not buying Mercedes as mom.
Way of Peace: I believe that the Halcro piece was actually meant to be taken "tongue in cheek" and was not based on actual "concrete" facts but was a somewhat fictionalized account of what Halcro's personal opinion is on the Governors daily routine. As he states at the opening of the column:
(Author's Note: Any resemblance to actual real life public figures is either purely coincidental or the result of hours of interviews.)
I am not defending our Caribou Barbie Governator in any way shape, or form, but just didn't want anyone else to take this as actual journalistic gospel as having been witnessed. Amusing piece of journalism? You betcha! 100% observed truths...probably not. But don't get me wrong, I was ROFLMAO here in the great city of Wasilla when I read it.
Game players take particular notice to comments that are about SP’s kids; which state things like their features or “poor” comments. The comments that are seeking questions are good to notice as well.
yo, guys, we all look like jerks if we keep making negative comments about her appearance. it's entirely beside the point, and, anyway, by most reports she's supposed to be very pretty.
Hi everybody,
apparently several people had problems with the link to Sarah Palin's old Governor campaign site I had posted before.
This should work:
http://tinyurl.com/9eg3bj
On this page are some articles from 2004 which SP had written.
You can find the complete pages over the wayback machine - just try it, it's easy:
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
Searchword:
http://www.palinforgovernor.com
Patrick
Fly (a/k/a D---(I think)) and Alex--
Great job! Bravo!
(Fly, if you're a/k/a D---, then way to put that legal mind to work!!!!)
I went back and looked at those posts--excellent work!!!!
Fly on the wall said: do the research of all memebers of the Johnston and Palin families.
Also fly said comments are related to what Palin says or happens in the media.
Since Sherry announced she used the meds for pain from a hysterectomy do you think that is a sign from Sarah to distract from Sherry being Trigs mom. Also Track and his addiction to the same drug Sherry has been charged for selling.
So Sarah had to cover for Track again, because Sherry did not have medical insurance.
Bristol was also preggo and had to give up the baby because that would have been to much for Sarah's future.
Then the church was set on fire to burn evidence of the adoption to a church member. That is why Sarah went to the church the day it burned and made the statement I am sorry for all the trouble I have caused you. I wonder if the pastor might have adopted Bristol's baby?
Maybe?
Dinky P.
Alicia,
I don't believe the article was "tongue in cheek."
Author's Note: Any resemblance to actual real life public figures is either purely coincidental or the result of hours of interviews.)
I think Halcro interviewed Palin's former scheduler and executive secretary FOR HOURS and the interviewee gave permission to reveal the source.
C'mon Way of Peace. Halcro was kidding.
Alicia, if you are in Wasilla, do you know more than we do? Did you see Bristol in March?
Ocean:
Sorry, I think you might be correct but it all just seemed to be such a "fictionalized day in the life of the governor" account that I really didn't realize that he did say in the disclaimer that it could have been the result of "hours of interviews"....I've just been so frustrated at her lack of transparency on all matters that I just really thought that Halcro was making fun and that was it. But alas, upon reading again, there really may be more to it. I just thought that the whole tinted windows thing was way too funny to possibly be real.
T in Canada: Yup, that's the woman I know, to a "t." The blame game, the cadres of trained monkeys, the need for control, the desperate underlying need for the limelight. People like this are definitely inclined to delusions of grandeur, but, as you say, their warped personality traits are sometimes a ticket to real power. Then everything feeds on itself in a bad, bad way.
Let's hope the house of cards is crumbling! I'm certainly intrigued by a snippet in the Halcro blog. Not, "but the reporter isn't buying the fortunate son angle," the next line: "HE KNOWS HIS INTEL IS SOLID."
"Intel," he says! Do tell!
Another great post, Fly (January 11, 2009 4:21 PM). Yup, yup, I think we are v close.
I think our next step is to call for ALL our photo experts on the blog to look at these photos
http://www.campvanvac.com/VaryingSizeOfPreg.jpg
(at a minimum) with their harshest critical eyes -- to do for ourselves what anyone reviewing our info would surely do next: ensure that they are not fake or that there's nothing wrong with them. I believe there is not, based on our earlier looking and thinking about them, where they came from, etc., every little thing.
--Amy the first
"Anonymous said...
I've known from the beginning that the Palins were lying about Bristol's alleged pregnancy, imainging that the whole thing would just blow over eventually and be forgotten. Then they curryied to find someone pregnant they paid to have the baby and then be quiet about it, while they allege that Bristol had the baby at home or in a small clinic. My guess is that they found someone, but with not quite the right due date. Blood testing would show the baby isn't hers, but whose testing?
December 26, 2008 3:31 AM"
So, fly...this person is suggesting
that SP et al got hold of a baby...not at the time they were expecting.
Is this the cause for Wild Ride?
....that a baby arrived?
Or are you meaning the 2nd pregger?
Im not sure what this post...is suggesting...
What was the need for a baby?
ANON @ 6:02 PM,
check OCEAN's take on this @ 5:44
So I'm to believe that a secret code within all the posts reveals the pregnancy story? With all due respect to my fellow posters, that makes us look nutz.
Perhaps we will find the truth if we play the Zeigler interview backwards...
I just want to thank you again Audrey. I salute you.
Thank you, also, Morgan. Sometime will you tell us what your job was like? You must have lots of great stories.
Thanks Kathleen, Patrick, and everyone else whose name I don't know.
Margaret Mead said it best:
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
Ocean, I *completely* agree. Wild goose chase nonsense, if you ask me.
You would think that they would learn a lesson about tinted windows, Sarah got busted for them in 2004.
http://www.courtrecords.alaska.gov/pa/pa.urd/pamw2000.docket_lst?96835723
@ ocean
I think it is very revelant. If you start to look at the old posts you can definately find when someone is trying to change the course of the blog or get us off track. Especially when things are closing in on a specific point. And the timing of the posts are very interesting! Even looking at the timing of Tripp's birth anouncement was eye opening.
I don't believe a secret code in all the past posts reveal the questions. Just that there is a definite point at which people try to change the course of the thread.
Another Palin interview to be posted on Monday - more on "bloggers"!
Enough already Sarah!
http://www.alaskareport.com/
To Amy the First,
I usually do longer items from my office -- yes, I have a regular life, unlike the characterizations of us 'wing nuts' made by certain parties in the media and elsewhere. I'm sure I have a as good an education (an Ivy League degree), reputation (Rotary Club President) and journalistic ability as any of the talking heads. So there slights don't bother me a bit. Screw 'em.
I haven't received your email from Audrey yet, but when I do I'll send you a two-page summary. I'm busy most of tomorrow so it may be a day for me write it up.
But I can share with everyone that there are some fundamental, undeniable elements. There are three Palin women capable of having a child. Unless the truth is far stranger than it appears, there are two babies born to those three Palin women. Unless Tripp is a huge hoax, Bristol is his mother.
While the dates of birth for Trig and Tripp are still in some dispute, it seems as though Bristol cannot be the mother of both babies. The facts in evidence now indicate that SP is not Trig's mother. That leaves only one other Palin woman, whose name I will not mention here. What would Sherlock Holmes conclude?
After Pat Dougherty's idiotic pronouncements, I'm more convinced than ever that MSM doesn't want to report anything because they know (or suspect) the truth. I also think that SP only did what many people would do in the same situation, so I'm actually a little sympathetic. But her judgment is world-class terrible.
I only have a theory to fit the facts. I don't claim that I 'know' the truth. I would reassess with new evidence and have asked, even begged, for it. Still nothing. Yet, I hope I'm wrong.
Dangerous
I am an Alaskan. I voted for Sarah Palin for governor. I would not do that again. In fact, everyone I know who is a THINKING person would not vote for her as governor again after so many disappointments. No brag, just fact, but I run around with a bunch of good, smart people in high-profile positions, many of whom have national reputations in their chosen professions. It doesn't bother me too much that the rest of the world seems to have painted all Alaskans with the big white trash brush of derision. We know what we are. And we are not like her.
Yes, Sarah, this is about class. Your lack of it. It is about honesty. And your lack of it. It is about integrity. And your lack of it.
Go ahead and buy that next poll. It won't be much different than Fagan's. You've lost the respect of people who matter. Here (for what that's worth) and everywhere else in this country.
We won't be fooled again.
Am I correct in thinking that Sarah only has one sister? Does that mean that "Heather Bruce" is the ex-wife of the Trooper Wooten we hear about in Troopergate?
Seems to me Trooper Wooten would be a weak link in all this. He must hate Sarah after the way she and Todd went after him. And surely he must hear some things from his children (assuming he sees them). Or are all Heather's kids from other men?
HEY! SP Ex-staffers!
Here's a thought: Instead of posting vague, anonymous messages about past posts your former boss (or her husband) wrote, then laughed about at the office the next day, please save us all a lot of time and send a private email to Audrey at:
info@palindeception.com
...and at least point her in the direction she should be going.
Much obliged,
Punkinbugg
I feel like we have a "Deep Throat" among us. Fly on the Wall, please, the suspense is killing us.
I feel we may finally have someone who is willing to help us spill the beans!
Lisa G
Mea culpa. I'm just having fun with Fly On the Wall-- as I believe Halcro had fun with his post. SP has concocted something that will explode eventually, and while we know she's a liar, what's going on up there in AK is absolute madness-- and painful for many who have to live there while she's in office. I believe Trig is not SP's child. I believe she's a liar, and that she's using everyone around her for her own agrandizement. Do I think she's haunting this blog? Yep. Do I think it's a coincidence that a family friend has been busted for drugs? No. Am I ready for the truth to will out. Yes, mam. Must we all be serious about this? Nope. Sarah's sins-- pregnancy pillows and little girls in high heels-- have made seriousness absurd. Maybe I need to stay away for a few days. . .
CA Health Insurance person: Great info, great post.
But actually if the 'patient' gives her permission to state: "I CBJ attended SP at MatSu Reg Med Center on 4/18/08 as she gave birth to baby boy Trig Palin. Also attending this birth were MatSu staff members, names." That doesn't violate HIPPA. If SP made that statement and CBJ appeared alongside her to endorse, it wouldn't violate HIPPA. This is what disturbs me so much. It is such a simple thing, requiring no distribution or release of personal medical details. Just a statement from her licensed physician & Mat Su licensed medical staff that they attended her as she gave birth on 4/18/08. For many/most of the public this would end all the speculation. Maybe not for some people, but CBJ's word and license would suffice for me. So Palin supporters - why hasn't she done that
instead of complaining about the media?
Patrick, thanks the the tinyurl. I read "Primary Competition," one of Palin's "essays" on the old gubernatorial site that you found.
I thought I'd be able to stomach reading all of her papers and then do some political linguistics sleuthing. But the first essay did me in: It was so weak. The writing level seemed to be that of someone in his or her First Year of College, fraught with circular reasoning, and cliched sports metaphors.
Under "author" of the file in the data, it reads "CooCooForCoCoPuffs" I guess Palin can't spell "Cuckoo." Hmmm. Some irony there, perhaps.
Here's something that is the truth.
I went back to chase down the December comment on an October post that Fly mentioned. (That alone is pretty strange. Thanks, Fly for pointing it out.)
Do you realize that the October posts have 3 or maybe 7 comments each. A biggie was 72 comments. Now Audrey's posts are drawing 455 comments.
What does that tell you?
This is to respond to Anonymous of January 10 at 1:38.
You cannot say that dependents of dependents are NEVER covered by their grandparents' insurance.
My health insurance policy (through my job) covers dependent children of dependent children.
If you have group coverage through work, you get whatever your employer or union has negotiated with the insurance company. There is a wide variety of plans, even with the same insurer. For instance, do you think that if your employer is a Catholic hospital, your group health insurance plan would cover abortion? Probably not. However, mine does.
I also work for a large health insurance company, one of the biggest in the country. However, if Bristol gave birth to Trig and kept him as her own, she (and he) would not be covered forever; someday her coverage would end, as she becomes an adult. Again, with my plan, children are covered until age 25 (may have to be students, not sure). While of course we should all have health insurance, DS people have special medical needs which would make insurance even more important. I think Sarh & Todd adopted Trig, and I think this is one reason why.
We don't know what (and whom)Sarah's plan covers. Are any readers Alaska state employees, with an knowledge about coverage for dependent grandchildren? Even so, the First Family may have coverage different from that of other state employees. I have learned at my job with a major health insurer that often, at big companies, the execs have plans different from (i.e. better than) that of the other employees.
Halcro article? Tinted windows?
I copied this from an Alaskan court site around the time Palin claimed Bristol was 5 months preg.
Minor Offenses (3PA) - Summary
3PA-04-11212MO State of Alaska vs. Palin, Sarah H
Plaintiff Defendant
State of Alaska Palin, Sarah H
Charges
Charge Dscr 13AAC04.223: Tinted Windows Degree of Offense Infraction
Case Judge
Assigned Judge Zwink, David L
Case Attributes
Number 3PA-04-11212MO
Status Closed
Filed 11/02/2004
so there is some truth to Halcro...
-Ivy
Would you want to date filmmaker John Ziegler?!?
http://tinyurl.com/7gqgc3
Ick.
Anon @ 8:52
From the CA agent
You are correct, if Sarah agreed. But as long as Sarah doesn't ask CBJ or any other licensed professional in attendance, it won't and can't happen due to HIPAA laws.
And therein lies the biggest proof of all. She can't ask and can't produce proof because it simply does not exist. I'm very on board with Bristol having delivering very early in Feb, hence Sarah missing last year's whatever meeting that is that she is going to this year, LOL.
I am not on board with this Trig being Track's, Sherry's, Sadie's or anyone else's but either Bristol or Sarah.
Gees I come on here after work and it's up to 462 comments!!
I think it's time for a new topic Audrey; perhaps the upcoming interview with you-know-who. I'm sure we'll all be enlightened by her Enormously Important Comments. Also. Even.
I think we can forget the Sadie as mom idea--remember the slinky pink prom outfit?
hey everyone-
i've been reading here since pretty much the beginning of the blog -i remember the day it appeared on the original website, and i used to comment almost everyday, laying out sourced medical info on DS birth defects and the truth about "alaska native health insurance" (thanks ravenstrick/gina in fairbanks on the 2nd, it's at the end of the lowest common denominator comments).
but it's gotten to the point i can barely find my own old comments (a domain specific google came up w/47 of them) so i think all the people asking for "a summery of important knowns and unknowns" have a really excellent point. i also think it's now a massive undertaking. i may submit to audrey by email what i think some of them are and see what she thinks.
maybe it's that we've talked and speculated so much for so long, maybe it's pent up frustration, and maybe it's the new weird stuff palin is saying lately, but so many of the comments recently feel like we're going so deep into "conspiracy land" that no one will hear any real messages we have, yelling back from all the way from out there.
maybe it's time to sit back a few moments (and i mean in our minds, NOT giving up on this whole thing) and lay out what facts we have, what strong suspicions -AND what supports them, and also remember what options we should not consider as strongly -AND why.
for example, it's perfectly possible that after track's hockey injury in michigan he was prescribed painkillers and then got into oxy -or before that just by partying and being a teen, BUT the only source for this IDEA was a blurb in the enquirer. this doesn't mean it's false, but it certainly also means we can't draw up theories based solely on "track's addiction" because we're not sure he ever had one. (another thing i posted about at length, don't have time to find it)
i'm as far from supporting palin as i think it's possible to be, that's why i think we need to approach this as rationally as possible, just like audrey has always advocated. anyone who remembers my comments knows this.
i just want to see us all keep as clear of minds as possible, so we can find a real crack to open this thing up.
luna
I read read ALL the posts starting from the very beginning, along the way I found some things that I found interesting...
for example;
- a Photo of Sarah on March 18/08 photo (the day she gave birth? and she sure doesn't look preggers:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vxwW8IhrAis/R9_-s9mxIeI/AAAAAAAAAOA/k7Zcq8ATf8Y/s512/DSC_0020.jpg
- Bristol Palin's Future Husband Airdate: 9/2/2008 Levi has been dating Bristol Palin for about a year. INSIDE EDITION was told that Bristol often cheered for her beau and the other Wasilla Warriors from these stands at the town's hockey arena.
Halfway through the school year, about the time Bristol discovered she was pregnant, she transferred to another high school.
http://www.insideedition.com/news.aspx?storyID=2067
-Sarah Palin at the conference in Texas on 17 April 2008 included in this clip!! Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvZeL-jFpF0
- If Sarah is indeed Trig's Mom, she would have conceived him in August, 2007 in order to be due in May of 2008 or July, 2007 to be due in April, 2008. Below is a link to a website showing her in Kuwait on July 24, 2007 when she was visiting the Alaskan National Guard troops.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/09/13/palin_camp_clarifies_extent_of_iraq_trip/
I haven't seen anything that mentions whether Todd accompanied her on that trip to Kuwait. {I included this as we discussed the possibility of Trig being Todd's child of an affair while Sarah was gone, especially after the video of Trig being shown to Sarah's office when he was just supposedly 3 days old}
- Top 10 Clues in the "Who is Trig's Mother" Mystery
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=9539
- add Sarah's sister Heather Bruce as another possible mom for Trig. Heather has "rearranged her life" (Sarah's words) to care for her autistic child. Perhaps Heather was overwhelmed at the thought of another special needs child and Sarah, who we know would never back down from any challenge, stepped up to raise Trig as her own.
Or her other sister Molly, who was married to Trooper Wooten, maybe she was pregnant by the Trooper and did not want him involved with the baby. (worried about abuse, since he had exhibited abusive behavior already.
-march 5th)
http://www.adn.com/front/story/336115.html
in the article she states she knows whether it's a boy or a girl but isn't saying anything yet.
then on april 7th
http://www.adn.com/front/story/368750.html
she announces the baby will be a boy - due may 18th.
I know there have been theories about maybe an earlier birth date for Trig. I struck me as weird to announce it's a boy and not just wait until the birth. The article begins "it's a boy..." Made me think about the earlier birth theories."
My thoughts are, IF we REALLY want to get to the bottom of WHO is Trig's Birth Mother. Then we should be asking WHO would Sarah cover up for? Sarah is all about Sarah, and there are only a handful of people she would place above her own ambitions and take such a risk to fake a pregnancy for...
Cajun Boy in the City with a new post about SP - spot on like always!
http://cajunboyinthecity.blogspot.com/2009/01/anchorage-daily-news-admits-its-been.html
Patrick
Amy the first, I have the highest respect for you based on your prior posts. But why are you attributing a March 19th date to the photo of SP with Gusty? Is this based on the EXIF data (which we know has the wrong year)? As far as I know, the photo has been dated April 13 by Gusty, although there has been speculation that it may have been taken later (not earlier).
To Anonymous at 8:08
"the rest of the world seems to have painted all Alaskans with the big white trash brush of derision"
Please give us more credit than that! The whole point of this blog is to figure out the truth so those of you who are currently being affected by SP are able to vote accordingly. The rest of the U.S. already had their say Nov 4th, but you guys are still stuck with her.
I'm sure I'm not speaking just for myself when I say that we are sure that MOST Alaska residents do have access to newspapers and periodicals, and they CAN name a few that they read off the top of their heads!
:)
The other thing that smells fishy is from the physician's perspective. Would a general practioner really continue to be the sole OB doctor for a 43/44 year old woman carrying a DS baby, especially given that woman is the governor of a state?
I find this interesting, (also!) too.
When I was pregnant with my second child, after finding out my history (which I told him myself, having moved between the births) my new dr. immediately said that since it was going to be considered a high risk pregnancy that he would give me a referral to an ob/gyn and I could start seeing him for my next visit.
OR
I could continue to see him (the gp) for my prenatal visits and he would confer on a regular basis with the ob, who would start ALSO seeing me around 7.5 months and would be the one that actually delivered the baby (though my dr. would also be in attendance).
I chose option 2 because I really liked my dr. a lot and I was very comfortable with him.
He said it was better for BOTH of us to have the ob/gyn on board since we knew going in that there could be problems (with me..not the baby).
This was 15 years ago. Given the way things are today (so much litigation), I can't believe that any Dr. would not do everything in their power to cover their own butt, as well as have the safety of both mother and baby in mind.
Stick with the research. Deception is always revealed through diligence. As another question is asked, another string unravels. The Mat-Su Hospital's LOCAL decision to halt birth announcements is the latest string unraveling. If you're inside a metal building and hear thunder and noise on the roof, you can assume it's raining even if you can't see it. Palin's latest feigning this week of why people don't believe she's the mother, and then the Mat-Su Hospital announcement a couple of days later is a huge coincidence.
a blogger at HALCRO has this to say,
Submitted by Alaskan,
"I have had enough of this Governor! I really hope our legislature keeps her in check and makes sure she does the job that we, ALASKAN'S hired her to do.
"I have absolutely NO respect for her or her ilk, and have lost all faith in her ability to govern our State.
"She is so out of touch with what's really important here to run our State. If she were employed any where else and was given a performance evaluation for her job performance, she would be fired on the spot.
"Our Legislatures are going to be so busy trying to conduct business, which is our State, they don't have time to try to get her to do her job.
"Systems and boundaries need to be put in place for this Governor, her family (hubby) and her staff. How they conduct themselves on our State dime should not be tolerated now or in the future.
"That interview with John Ziegler just sealed her fate to be a one term governor as well as even attempting to run against Lisa M. for her Senate seat. That interview was the icing on the cake, and we thought the pardoning of the Turkey video was humiliating. It's time for her to, "Kennel Up"!"
On John Zeigler interview
I think Sarah Palin is upset clips of her are out now vrs late February because of how bad it would look to do something like this prior to the new president being sworn in
If she "did" it AFTER she wouldnt look as flooky
I hope, from an ethical, political level.. people see she is not a "team player" but a bad apple that is not truly supportive of the incoming President ..who is her boss
Like the employee who secretly goes around smearing the boss.. eventually they are found out and thrown out
fingers crossed!!
Does anyone else think it odd that Sadie Johnson would post a photo of her brother's girlfriend's mother's child on her myspace page and not one of her own newphew, "trippy bear"? Why no Tripp picts yet? Not even a grainy cell phone pict sent to friends?
I think that speculationg about a large conspiracy may be off the mark. It makes more sense to me to imagine something quite simple-if it seemed easy at the time then it would be doable. Something really complicated probably wouldn't have been considered.
So, my question for all of you is this...What is the simplist scenario imaginable?
Sorry if this is a repeat, but I missed part of the "action" here on Saturday and am still not caught up!
In any case, here's one Alaskan's commentary to accompany the Ziegler interview with SP (Media Malpractice) - follow along and enjoy:
http://tinyurl.com/6tfcaw
You can bet your mortgage that Sarah Palin is on this site daily. Wouldn't you be? If you had attempted to deceive EVERYONE on a family values issue, while governing on a family values platform, wouldn't you be nervous? Wouldn't you want to see what the detectives were up to?
It's CLEAR that she's reading this site and it's obviously why she's lashing out, when the mainstream media doesn't seem to care.
Insiders ARE beginning to talk....see the hilarious Halco blog...
Having surmised the above info: Everyone who posts new ideas or evidence on here should really think twice. Perhaps we should email Audrey privately with new evidence? Or, as someone else has mentioned....at least save info. before you post it on here.
SOMEBODY IS NERVOUS!
We often wonder why Palin thought she could pull off such deception. I heard an Alaskan on AirAmerica yesterday say that Palin is "terminally pretty." Her looks have helped her do as well as if she had used more smarts and diligence. So, unlike most of us, her experience is that she gets what she wants, so she would try something we would not.
Said anonymous @(January 12, 2009 12:58 AM):
...Or her other sister Molly, who was married to Trooper Wooten, maybe she was pregnant by the Trooper and did not want him involved with the baby...
If I were a gambler, this is where my money would be. Is conspiracy to deprive someone of his parental rights a criminal offense?
Cajun Boy = Truth
Did Sarah's scheduler go with her back and for from Juneau to the Anchorage office? Do we know what was on her schedule from March 16th to the 27th?
There is no more proof of Sherry Johnston's hysterectomy than of Trig's birth. It's suspiciously coincidental that the cause of her addiction precludes her from being Trig's mother.
Sherry was the dealer/addict, and Track was an addict. It makes perfect sense that they were "hooking up". The families were embarrassed (because of the age difference) and they knew Sherry couldn't care for an infant because of her addiction. Hence the adoption. The only piece that doesn't fit is Bristol's absence in the second semester of school.
Regarding the ADN and Cajun Boy's source:
I am pondering the timing of it all.
1. Cajun Boy mentioned his source at the very end of October.
2. ADN responded saying, approximately: no, we're not working on such a story.
3. In early December Audrey posts the "Nail in the Coffin" pic.
4. ADN editor now says they did start working on a story but dropped it. Initially, he doesn't give any timing information on that (does he mean to be going back on what he said earlier in response to Cajun Boy?), but then in the comments (thanks to whomever found this), he states that they did not work on this story in Sept, Oct, Nov but started working on it in December. If the timing true, it suggests that this may have been motivated by the Nail in the Coffin pic, and it is not inconsistent with what was originally posted in response to Cajun Boy.
(Please, someone correct me if I have some of the timing wrong.)
So, my question is - does that mean Cajun Boy's original source is someone else? Alternatively should we not believe the ADN's denial that they working on it in October? In a recent post, Cajun Boy seems to imply that he feels vindicated by the ADN editor's recent announcement, but I think it is still confusing as to whether there are one or two stories out there being sat on by the MSM.
Kangaroo
Julia:
The simplest scenario is someone else had the baby and couldn't keep it for whatever reason. SP offered to raise it as her own, and didn't want the child or anyone to know that she wasn't his natural mother(which is her right, and choice as an adoptive mother). Most people would be able to pull it off, but given that SP had so much media attention, she isn't doing a good job of it.
If this is the case... then I think all this poking around in her personal life and her childrens lives is just disgusting on the part of people here, who should be ashamed. There are plenty of things to go after SP, policy wise, than to attack her personally and her children.
I think she has dug herself pretty deep trying to keep personal matters personal, especially when there are wonderful people out there just trying to ruin her personally.
I kind of find the focus of this blog misguided when she could be ruined legitamately by her governing record, instead of on whos child she chooses to raise
But keep it up... it is an interesting read...LOL
I just found out that Palin's scheduler Janice Mason is based in Juneau and also gave notice.
That darn Sarah Palin. She just lies about everything. Read the Mudflat's arcticle about her lie about her where-abouts on Dec. 12th.
Funny!
http://www.themudflats.net/2008/12/28/sarah-palin-busted-by-weather-underground/
Just one fact which I think has rarely been mentioned here:
Sarah Palin herself was a board member of the Valley Hospital Association in 2005....which runs the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center in Wasilla!
Some of you might have heard this before. I just read it now again on the old "Palin for Governor" pages - I found them, as I mentioned earlier, over the "wayback machine".
Full link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20051219055409/palinforgovernor.com/aboutSarah.html
Short link:
http://tinyurl.com/9a4ml6
Do we know how long she was a board member? I could find no additional information, which I found strange.
The ties between Sarah Palin and her church to the Mat-Su Regional Medical Center in Wasilla are very close indeed...
Patrick
I agree with Craig that Sarah has no incentive to try to "produce proof" at this point. Given her position in Alaska and her church's control of the hospital, anything she produces and any of her lackeys stepping forward to "certify" it will be suspect.
I also believe that we have not found enough to get the MSM to run with the story yet. What we have is an intricate jigsaw puzzle that can only be understood by studying and understanding each little piece--and all the pieces aren't in place yet. The MSM goes with big splashy soundbites, because that's all most people have time for/understand these days. So what would give the MSM a soundbite? At this point, without any solid, unarguable physical evidence it's going to have to be a "So-and-so says Trig is not Sarah's son" type headline.
So who will this "so-and-so" be? Yes, the inner circle of those in the know is small, but there are still major possibilities for a leak. The work colleagues who recently quit and seem to be whispering are one possibility. There's the Johnston family, although only if Levi and Bristol break up. But one possibility we shouldn't forget is the McCain staffers who were detailed to handle Sarah. Even if Sarah did not tell the McCain people about her Trig trip, I have no doubt they found out about it during those two months of close proximity to the family (can't you just imagine Willow yelling at Bristol back at the hotel, "No, you take care of him! He's your kid!") In fact, I suspect it's their discovery of this incredible truth that provoked the "whack job" comment.
Between her arrogance and ignorance (and, doubtless, her failure to tell the truth during the vetting process), Sarah obviously made major enemies of the McCain people. I read someplace (Pub Lunch? an email from my agent?) that one of those staffers signed a lucrative book deal. It's because those staffers talked to Newsweek that we heard about Sarah parading in a towel, about the silk boxers for First Dude and the tattooed lip liner. Those leaks got the attention of New York and led to the book deal. But it is typical in these kinds of book deals to save the really explosive tidbits for a book's release. The Trig Trip may be it.
So what's our job? I agree with those who have called for an organization of our material. Many links to photos and articles and videos (such as Sarah's first day back at work with Trig) are in the comments sections only, and the comments are getting so huge as to be unwieldy. I have lately been going back over the comments and finding much that was buried, overlooked, or forgotten.
Another part of our job is to keep turning up the heat, keep jabbing at Sarah. Keep the rumors percolating so that the MSM can refer to the rumors even if they can't refer to the story, and thus keep shaking Sarah's screws a little bit looser.
I don't think this story will ever undermine the devotion of the hardcore TeamSarah types. When the truth does break, TS will see it as one more example of "media malpractice" and forgive her for doing it to "protect her child" (as if this were 1950) or to provide insurance for Trig (easy enough to have done with an open adoption). However, those people are in reality a tiny lunatic fringe made up mainly of people who seriously need help. (If you can stomach it, go lurk on TeamSarah and Fox; they think her recent Whine Fest was the best interview she's ever done!) Those people aren't important. Most sane Americans will agree that anyone who can lie this relentlessly and remorselessly, for whatever reason, should never be let anywhere near public office. And that's important not just for stopping Sarah, but for stopping anyone like her in the future.
Sorry, Blue Tx, your simple scenario doesn't fly:
"The simplest scenario is someone else had the baby and couldn't keep it for whatever reason. SP offered to raise it as her own, and didn't want the child or anyone to know that she wasn't his natural mother(which is her right, and choice as an adoptive mother). "
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If you live in Texas, you should know that many committed evangelical couples adopt (special needs, 3rd World) babies when their own children are a little older, especially if they have the means.
IOW, they don't have to strap SOFA CUSHIONS under their blouses and pretend they are pregnant.
The only possible reason she would have to fake this pregnancy is to prevent embarrassment to her career and her family.
@..".Or her other sister Molly, who was married to Trooper Wooten, maybe she was pregnant by the Trooper and did not want him involved with the baby..."
Molly has since remarried, so someone named McCann or something. The divorce was several years ago. I think this is a dead end.
Someone mentioned that the lower 48 have painted the Alaskans with a broad brush. As a total outsider, I am guessing that the folk did this to get you folk riled up and active and come out and prove not all AK's are nutty like Palin-billies.
For me this is pure entertainment as I have no dog in the race whatsoever apart from what I have posted thus far here and on ADN.
As the wheels come off her "presidency" (in her alternate universe) what I am really looking forward to is how the righteous right will deal with her after the fact. I am sure they will forgive her anyway but come that day, like I have said earlier, she does not have anything to run on in 2010 or 2012 (unless hot air counts :))
Anon @ 1/12/09, 7:16AM
You are right about SP and/or her people reading this blog.
Bill McAllister, her spokesman, admitted as much to an Anchorage radio talk show host on 1/9/09:
"There is an amazing website that attempts to debunk photos of the governor five days before she gave birth, claiming that the photos were doctored to make her look pregnant."
I'll bet he's referring to palindeception.com.
That having been said, I don't think SP's recent squeamishness is directly triggered by the "nail in the coffin" picture.
Rather, I think what keeps SP awake at night is the idea of Lisa Demer of the ADN calling Bristol's school, SP's doctor, the hospital and who knows where else, trying to find a witness to the hoax.
Once someone comes forward and exposes the fraud, SP's political career is history.
On the other hand, if the only proof is a doctored photo, not directly tied to SP, SP will play rope-a-dope, and maybe succeed in riding the thing out.
But if the work of Audrey and posters on this blog is what got the ADN and Lisa Demer back on the case, then palindeception.com IS playing a significant role in exposing the hoax--even if indirect.
My take on the ADN investigation is that it was their attempt to disprove the rumor. They were doing it to HELP Palin! But when they actually started investigating they ran into so much stonewalling and dead-ends and they could do nothing to disprove the rumor.
Dougherty's pique at Sarah Palin that resulted in his odd web blog I truly believe is because he went out of his way to help her because he believed her story and wanted to put the crazy rumors to rest once and for all. Instead because of the actions of her and her minions he was unable to help her and instead incurred her wrath.
I also would'nt be surprised if ADN found more evidence supporting the 'rumor' than evidence against it and that is why they backed off the story completely.
BlueTx at 8:54 said “SP … offered to raise it as her own, and didn't want the child or anyone to know that she wasn't his natural mother(which is her right, and choice as an adoptive mother). … There are plenty of things to go after SP, policy wise, than to attack her personally and her children.”
Two things. First, you are absolutely correct that there are plenty of other things reasons, policy and otherwise, to oppose and actively work to prevent SP from being elected to office again. However, she has used Trig and her other children as one of the reason she is qualified for office, and therefore has made it an issue herself. Regardless, INTEGRITY, HONESTY and the ability to admit a mistake DO factor matter greatly. If she has lied about this, people deserve to know. (And, SP, since you’re reading, better to come clean now and hope that people forgive and forget by 2012. They won’t if it comes out in the primaries, and we all know how nasty those can be.)
Second, if this turns out to be a big charade or even if parts of this story have been a charade (can you say “wild ride” story), she has done working mothers a HUGE disservice and set us back years. I remember being STUNNED when David Gregory, upon hearing the “wild ride” story, said that it was “cool”. WTF?!? It is definitely NOT cool to risk the life of an unborn child. Ever. Under any circumstance. Regardless of who you are or think you are.
I’ve worked my entire adult life in a very male dominated industry. One of the most challenging aspects has been to deal with uneducated or ill-informed opinions, stereotypes and expectations of what it means to be a working mother. When I first started out, very few of my co-workers or management had children. They simply didn’t get what being a parent meant, and how difficult it was to juggle that with a career where working 60-70 hours a week was the norm. Here’s a silly example of how much people didn’t get it: it required Sr. VP approval for nursing mothers to get a lock on their door to prevent people from barging into their office while pumping. Daycare? Ha! Never considered, and offhandedly dismissed it, until senior management, whose spouses never worked btw, had kids. The list could go on and on.
For the next few years, working mothers everywhere will have to deal with managers and co-workers who don’t understand why they aren’t sticking around for a meeting just because they’re in labor, why they don’t come back to work three days after delivery, why they don’t simply drag their older kids out of school to care for the younger kids, and on, and on, and on.
As you can tell, the misconceptions and struggles of working mothers is an issue very close to my heart. Hence, the reason I care about this story.
mc-midnightcajun said "I don't think this story will ever undermine the devotion of the hardcore TeamSarah types...those people are in reality a tiny lunatic fringe made up mainly of people who seriously need help...Those people aren't important."
Look, if we're not worried about "those people" supporting SP in future campaigns for public office, what the heck are we doing all this for? I want her revealed as a liar and fraud UNIVERSALLY, INCONTROVERTIBLY, UNQUESTIONABLY. So that whoever attempts to support her is supporting a liar and can be told this on firm footing. They ARE important.
Anonymous @ 946 said... "Once someone comes forward and exposes the fraud, SP's political career is history."
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And once the FIRST someone comes forward, I bet there will be others soon after. It's always easier for folks to step up with information after someone else took that first step towards the truth.
Who's going to to be the first to speak out?
Punkinbugg said...
Sorry, Blue Tx, your simple scenario doesn't fly:
"The simplest scenario is someone else had the baby and couldn't keep it for whatever reason. SP offered to raise it as her own, and didn't want the child or anyone to know that she wasn't his natural mother(which is her right, and choice as an adoptive mother). "
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Let's not forget that bringing a DS baby to term is her claim to fame in the fundie community. It is THE symbol of her religiosity and pro-life committment. She NEEDS that baby and she may have faked the pg because this baby is what made her famous.
Anonymous @ 9:46 wrote; "Look, if we're not worried about "those people" supporting SP in future campaigns for public office, what the heck are we doing all this for? I want her revealed as a liar and fraud UNIVERSALLY..."
1) SOME FOLKS APATHETIC. We're never going to convince everyone of Palinian weaknesses; 23% of this country is still supporting outgoing President Bush!
2) TEAM SARAH IN CRUNCH TIME. TeamSarah is at the height of its greatness at the moment, and it only has 65,000 members. Palin will never be so highly profiled as now--it's all downhill from here. As with all VP wannabes who lose, as time goes by, Palin will matter less and less. If she keeps blasting tirades while emitting steam from her ears, even some of those TS people will walk away.
3) AK FISSURES. Palin should be very worried about the AK Governor's run at the moment. There are cracks in her job fissures, and she needs to be a govenor. For without being in a public office of some stature, she won't have a chance of national funding ever again; no one is going to keep pushing a one-term governor for the President. I don't think TeamSarah will have much to work with if she goes back to being Mayor of Wasilla again.
It's actually crunch time for Team Sarah, not us!
Punkinbugg & Emma:
Punkinbugg... So what if evangelicals adopt Special Needs kids all the time. That has no relevance to my point. My point was that SP does have the right to keep that fact private if she wants to. Maybe to protect the natural mother and also to make sure that Trig feels no different than any of her other children. It is her choice! But because of all the people obsessed with this, that little boy is going definately know that he is different than the rest of the family... sucks for him.
And to Emma...
Aren't you all doing the same thing that you accuse SP of doing. Using the children to ruin her. What I fear really is that what you are really going to do is ruin the children the most.
Its kinda sad to me, that the kids are the ones who will be hurt way more than SP will.
Like I said, you can attack her on policy, her track record is awful. The kids really never did anything to deserve what is coming their way.
I feel sorry for Trigg the most. That he has SP as a mother, and the shadow and doubt about who he really is will forever follow him.
Honestly the people using the children to hurt SP really are no better than SP using her own kids to boost her image.
But I suppose its the only way you will get what you want. The ends justify the means huh?
Someone asked for the simplest scenario: Bristol gets pg, tells them at Christmas. She is sent away to hide the pg, maybe thinking adoption.
Pre-natal care reveals the DS. Palin decides to pretend the baby is hers because she has ambitions for higher office and giving birth, not terminating a DS baby, gives her MAJOR CRED with the GOP base.
I know when I heard she was chosen as VP, I thought, oh god, she has a DS baby, they will think she is some kind of saint.
And that is exactly what happened. The far-right has cannonized her.
She only needed to pretend for a month or so, wear scarves, easy.
Lilybart...
"Let's not forget that bringing a DS baby to term is her claim to fame in the fundie community. It is THE symbol of her religiosity and pro-life committment. She NEEDS that baby and she may have faked the pg because this baby is what made her famous."
What I find silly is that people think finding proof that she isn't the biological mother is going to make the fundie community turn their backs on her.
Picture this press conference:
SP:(dropping a couple tears) I'm sorry that I did not tell the public that Trigg was not my biological child. I did not want my little Trigg to ever feel any different than any of my other children. He already has challenges and I didn't want to add to that, so I tried everything I could to protect him, and make him feel like part of my family. Unfortunately people on the internet would not allow me to protect my son, and to make sure his challenges in life were as little as I could possibly make them. I'm sorry that there are people out that felt the need to intrude on my personal family issues. I hope you all can forgive my mistake in thinking that I could have kept family matters private...thank you.
Whos gonna look like the bad guy, using the special needs child, to the fundie community?
Fly on the Wall does have interesting points. On several of Audrey's early posts (Sept and Oct) the last comments came much later -- in Nov and Dec by readers going back and starting to read from the beginning. The grammar and syntax of these "late" comments is very familiar.
Here's an example of a Nov. comment under the Sept 28 Post:
I was just wondering if any of you have children? How pathetic is your life(author of this lovely story)that you feel the need to stick your nose into another woman's pregnancy,labor and delivery? Maybe you should spend as much time on your own life as you obviously have on Sarah's and think about starting a family of your own,that is if anyone would want someone this obsessed with another woman's pregnancy. That's just wierd!
November 10, 2008 7:41 PM
What does this prove? Nothing really, but it does show that there's fascinating material back there in early posts.
And if Sarah were to post comments here, it makes me smile to think that she can't even disguise her writing voice. Education is a beautiful thing.
julia asked, at the end of her comment 1/12/09 @ 7:04 AM:
I think that speculationg about a large conspiracy may be off the mark. It makes more sense to me to imagine something quite simple-if it seemed easy at the time then it would be doable. Something really complicated probably wouldn't have been considered. So, my question for all of you is this...What is the simplist scenario imaginable?
My idea of the simplist scenario? Not the one put forth by BlueTx (8:54 AM), sorry. That's STILL too convoluted (and I'm a wee bit suspicious of the "keep it up...it is an interesting read...LOL").
How about: "Bristol conceiving Trig in July 2007, and as soon as the adoption fell through because of the infant's DS condition, the Palin family rallying around Bristol and the baby in open support, admitting that the abstinence-only mores they proclaim aren't always successful"?
Then the Sarah-Palin-fake-pregnancy ruse, the "wild ride" and Bristol's subsequent fake pregnancy never would have been needed to mask or salvage what Sarah Palin deemed her damaged political reputation.
In reality, most sane voters in this past election (i.e., that leaves out the Palinistas) would not have cared -- but, of course, Sarah Palin would have to carefully avoid any claims to be an ideal working mom...
BlueTx:
Don't forget that the person who has done the most to hurt her children is Sarah Palin herself. She literally threw Bristol under a bus by parading her in front of the world as a pregnant unmarried teenage in order to 'prove' that she, Sarah Palin, was Trig's real mother.
If Sarah Palin were someone who really cared about her kids we wouldn't even know who Bristol Palin was except as a line in her bio.
No one here is trying to hurt Bristol, Trig, Tripp (if he exists), Piper or Willow.
But what most of us don't want is Sarah Palin anywhere near our government and anywhere near our rights, especially our rights as women.
And the fact that Sarah Palin has proven time and time again that she tells lies easier than she tells the truth and she never, ever, ever, ever accepts blame or responsbility for any of her actions, she and she alone has put herself in the line of fire.
The story here isn't, "Did a young girl get pregnant and have a baby out of wedlock".? That story is as old as the hills and we all know someone or are someone who can tell a similar story.
The story is, 'Did an overly ambitious, underqualified, ultra-conservative evangelistic politician lie to the American people to promote herself as something she clearly is not.'
It is her lie that we are attacking not her children.
And if Ms. Palin doesn't want her lies attacked or the rumors are unjustified and she is indeed the natural mother of Trig or even if she adopted Trig for completely altruisic reasons, then WHY THE HECK DOESN'T SHE JUST PROVIDE INFORMATION THAT WOULD SUPPPORT HER in the TRUTH?
Instead she stonewalls, deceives, lies, cries, whines and HIDES BEHIND HER CHILDREN.
The pressure is on Sarah Palin to tell the truth. We are not attacking her children, our beef (at least mine) is with Sarah Palin and only Sarah Palin.
I agree with those who say "leave the family alone."
Let's limit ourselves to "hoax or no hoax?" regarding the SP pregnancy and only that. "Liar or not?" "Pregnant or not?"
Although we might speculate privately about all the other parts, people, motives, scenarios -- that is not our business, however much SP might have involved them and put them out there. WE do not have to involve them.
C'mon guys, let's just NOT. Let's do the right thing. We'll get there anyway.
--Amy the first
Sorry, Blue TX, but I have to disagree strongly with your suggestion that people on this blog are trying to hurt SP through her kids. Most of us are very concerned about SP's serious lack of family values, and we're appalled by her actions especially regarding Trig and Bristol. Whatever the truth turns out to be, SP has put herself and her family in the glare of the media spotlight through her ongoing series of irresponsible actions.
We simply want her to stop making up stories and expecting us to believe every foolish thing she comes up with!! The only way out of this web of lies is to tell the TRUTH, the sooner the better (for all involved)!!
I really don't understand the imperative around here to get the MSM to tackle this cover-up story. It was the pull of the liberal blogosphere and the momenteum generated from that buzz that got Sarah to reveal her daughter's pregnancy in September. The MSM generally stayed away, other than to mention the "internet rumours".
That is why I've been saying, if you want to have any chance of building similar pressure on Palin, you have to present your case to the liberal blogosphere. They have no contraints of journalistic ethics or proper sourcing rules or corporate pressures to inhibit them, as the MSM does.
Right now you have a million seperate pieces floating around on this blog. If you contruct the most likely basic scenario, in a timeline format, supported by the best photographic evidence you have, and lay it out in one post, then Audrey and Company can e-mail Andrew Sullivan and any number of other higher-profile liberal bloggers and give them the link to the post for them to review and consider linking their readers to.
If it resonates with people, it will continue to get linked to, and the desired internet buzz will build. The MSM eventually can then safely refer to the story by describing it as a "growing internet phenomenom" and not have to look like they buy into it themselves yet.
Now you have real internet and media pressure to cause Palin to react.
But here is the catch, and it's a BIG one. If you put your best case story and evidence (as it stands today) out there, and if the spectrum of the blogosphere that is already pre-disposed to want to believe anything negative that can be uncovered about Palin, doesn't buy into your theory and fails to promote it via links, you would have to be honest with yourselves and realize that this conspiracy proof is just not as convincing or as obvious as you may think.
Anonymous at 10:58 and Momme...
Like I said, the ends justify the means, huh?
Don't fool yourselves into thinking that you are not hurting those children as much as SP is, because you are.
And don't believe for one second that SP cannot spin this in her favor, because she can.
If Trigg was never to know that he was adopted and SP was not his bio mother he will now, and he is the one who will be living with that.
Wow, reading these entries this morning...
It sure looks like TeamSarah has tried to turn this comment section into one of their wacky subtopics under "All About Sarah Palin".
I have to admit, some of them are getting a little more skilled at writing like "normal" people and not sounding more like the undereducated text-message-spelling-challenged buzz-word-ranting ideologues who mostly populate that site.
BlueTX,
If she wanted to keep Trig out of it, she should not have held him up at the rallies or dedicated a whole page to him on a STATE funded website.
Yes, it could be spun in her favor. However, it it turns out that she was involved in not one, but TWO fake pregnancies (Bristol with Tripp) then it is hard to argue that she did it to protect her kids and their privacy.
Hey Craig,
There are over 500 comments on this thread, someone must be interested, eh?
BlueTX said (January 12, 2009 10:50 AM):
You are so right with your scenario of SP doing the tears and the confession. That sounds like it would work.
EXCEPT: there's more. That various of us, identifying the same thing, have sent to each other and to Audrey privately. So, no, this would not actually work.
But good thinking!
--Amy the first
Craig:
Re MSM early involvement in the Trig birth story:
Steve Schmidt of the McCain campaign said that what convinced the campaign to make the "Bristol is pregnant" announcement was the large number of "who is Trig's mom?" inquiries from MSM reporters.
So it was the campaign's fear that the blogger buzz was about to set fire in the MSM that forced their hand. Not the blogger buzz by itself.
To those who can't understand our motives for wanting to get to the bottom of this:
Sarah Palin made Trig the focal point her "pro life" platform, living evidence that she not only talks the talk but walks the walk.
She repeatedly held Trig up as central to her argument that she was qualified to lead the nation (with logic as tenuous as the one that connected living near Russia to foreign policy experience), that she understood being a working mom and that she would serve the disabled with great passion.
She created a horribly damaging standard for prenatal care (taking zero precautions with a high risk baby) and for working women (putting work before family even in the case of a preterm, high risk, special needs newborn).
She circulated an outrageous story about giving a speech, taking two flights, and waiting over 26 hours to get medical attention after her water broke with this special needs baby. As a result she received kudos for being tough and unfailingly loyal to Alaska.
If none of the above had happened, if Trig had just been another of her five children, if she'd told a birth story even somewhat within the realm of possibility, if she had let her children continue on in school and live their lives off stage rather than serving as political props, if she hadn't been so high and mighty about abstinence only education (all the while tiptoeing around the fact of her own shotgun wedding) maybe Trig birth conspiracy theories would not have gathered much momentum.
As many have pointed out on this site, it would probably be better for Sarah if she did fake the pregnancy, rather than act in such an unbelievably reckless manner, endangering the life of her unborn child and risking the wellbeing of everyone on those two flights from Alaska.
Movie scenes often make going into labor seem hilarious and slapsticky, suited, perhaps, to a "wild ride" idea but even in low risk pregnancies, it's a serious thing. Good prenatal care and modern medicine have made infant morbidity rates extremely low in the Western world, but one your water breaks, all medical recommendation is that you get the baby out. Otherwise you risk infection. Also remember, this was a preterm down syndrome baby whose lungs had not fully matured. Look on any health website and you'll see that premature delivery is a leading cause of prenatal mortality. Sarah needs to explain her behavior. Maybe it's funny in retrospect but it could easily have been tragic.
Finally--what we're after is some sense that we're not living in an absolute twilight zone. Based on everything Audrey and team have collected, it seems clear as day to me (and many others) that Sarah did not give birth to Trig. This is a bold-faced lie. It's not a complicated, entangled, shades-of-gray lie, it's simply not true. It's a little kid who just broke a vase putting his fingers in his ears saying "No, I didn't. No I didn't. No I didn't." Are there no standards for journalism at all anymore? Can anyone just say anything at all, no matter how offensive, irresponsible and outrageous?
Thank God for Audrey, Morgan, Patrick, Alex, the woman who did the separate photograph site (sorry, forgot your name) and others helping here.
Lower 48
This has been bugging me for a while so I did a little googling today.
While I have had 2 pregnancies, I was in my early 20s and had no reason to have anything other than routine tests during my prenatal care.
As a result, I know very little about amniocentesis.
Everything I read today says that amniocentesis is done between 16 and 20 weeks.
I surmise from what I read that they wait until at least 16 weeks to get into the second trimester so there is less of a risk of miscarriage.
Why then would SP have an amnio at 13 weeks?
It's just one more thing that flies in the face of all logic.
So if we kinda lay this out we have (and please correct me if I am wrong).
1. Amnio at 13 weeks (normally 16-20).
2. Amnio is normally only done to detect certain birth defects/due to the age of the mother and *usually* it's to determine if a woman will carry the fetus or terminate.
Sarah being extremely pro-life (anti-choice) would presumably never even consider termination so why risk having the test done at all, let alone a minimum of 3 weeks before most drs. even consider doing the test.
3. She flies to TX 8 months pregnant, when women are advised not to fly during the last trimester.
4. Her water breaks and she has some kind of contractions, but instead of going to the hospital immediately she hangs out, gives a speech and then decides to fly home.
After speaking with her dr. she apparently is not told to get to the hospital for a check up.
5. She commences the wild ride.
Just these things alone are nearly impossible for me to believe that an actual MD was involved in any of this.
When I was pregnant with both my children my drs were both VERY concerned about both my welfare and that of the babies I was carrying.
I'm certain they were also concerned about their own welfare.
During my first pregnancy, I had a cold at the very end (a couple weeks before I was due). When I went in for my weekly check up and my blood pressure was high, even though I had NO other symptoms of pre-eclampsia (I was 21 and healthy), he sent me DIRECTLY to the hospital.
He did not even let me wait for my husband. He sent me directly there and had me admitted for observation. He did not leave ANY room for discussion on the matter.
The whole of the information we have about SP's "pregnancy" just flies in the face of logic.
@Craig,
Are you British? Or Australian? You said you aren't Canadian already. I am so interested in your spelling of "rumours." Your continued posting on here certainly indicates a high level of international interest! Thanks for keeping the flame alive!
I said earlier that I think Palin is now in a corner like a wounded animal with people poking sticks at her. She has few choices but to strike out.
But reading BlueTex also brought up another option. She could now claim that it was just an adoption that she wanted to hide. [b]That's a very risky thing to do now.[/b] Would it work to her advantage? It could gain her more popularity but at the same time it would expose her as a liar. I don't think she will try that one and she will stay with the denial. Those are her only two choices as I see it. And then of course going with the adoption scenario for damage control wouldn't solve the Bristol/Tripp problem for her.
I have little doubt that BlueTex is pro-Palin but I'm wondering if he/she is trying to promote the adoption idea here or he/she is seriously thinking it's possible.
Don G.
bluetx:
If there is anyone is the world who believes the 'ends justifies the means' that would describe Sarah Palin
You appear to be more concerned about Sarah Palin and her children than she ever was. Everyone, and I mean everyone, in Sarah's Palin's life is secondary to Sarah Palin.
So what you are saying is that it is okay if Sarah Palin lied about giving birth to Trig, to the point of pulling off an elaborate hoax because - why?
Sorry, not okay.
If Sarah Palin is really Trig's Mom she would have and could have ended this charade back in April when the rumors started by producing some evidence, a birth picture, a hospital records, a birth cerficate, a picture of her just having given birth with her baby next to her. Anything!
The very fact she never did but still moaned and groaned about the evil bloggers tells me there probaby is truth to the rumor that the baby isn't hers.
The problem with lies, especially in politics, is that the lies and cover-up become worse than the "crime". Ask Clinton, Nixon etc.
If Sarah Palin did this to protect her daughter she did a piss-poor job of it.
When she accepted the VP nomination 'without blinking' she put herself, her family, her children and all her lies and coverups out there for the world to examine.
I remember my initial amazement that a mother with a brand-new, special needs baby would subject her family, herself and especially her baby to such an ordeal as a President campaign. This is before I even knew how unqualified, how uninformed, how unintellectually curious and how unethical she was.
Don't blame us for throwing her family under the bus - that is all her doing - completely.
At this point in her career I think telling the truth is the only hope she has. And even then I give her very little hope.
And if her lies is cover up real fraud, such as insurance abuse, well that is another story completely.
She is the Governor of a state who wants to be President. She is accountable no matter how 'uncomfortable' it is for her and her family.
Never thought I'd agree with you, Craig. I do today.
I'd love to see one big formal argument written with all the anomalies Audrey and Co have uncovered here.
I'm new at this method of blogging and I'm not sure if my email will be shown. I prefer that it's not. Can the moderators provide an explanation of how this works for those who have been using unanimous up to now?
BlueTX - The tearful "adoption confession" scene you describe could never work because millions of people have already witnessed the way SP treats Trig. There's not one shred of maternal instinct or love to be seen - and any such speech would simply come across as another scripted performance, designed soley for SP's benefit.
Sorry - not buying your line of reasoning - it's almost as circular as something SP would come up with!?!? ;)
"That is why I've been saying, if you want to have any chance of building similar pressure on Palin, you have to present your case to the liberal blogosphere. They have no contraints of journalistic ethics or proper sourcing rules or corporate pressures to inhibit them, as the MSM does."
The implication that blogs like this one don't have journalistic ethics or proper sourcing rules is pretty insulting.
Amy the first...
SP doesn't have to convince the people on this blog. Nothing short of a DNA test is going to do that.
But the people YOU are trying to convince are the people who will fall for SP's defence of her lie.
And to DON G...
I am the furthest from pro-Palin that anyone could get...LOL
I am a proud TX(born and raised in CA)liberal, but when I heard about this blog for the first time, it was being equated with the people who are still trying to prove that Obamas BC is fake.
And I do believe that its possible that Bristol is the bio mother of Trig and SP is covering(for image reasons and maybe even to protect her daughter) and going to raise Trig as her own, and the family never wanted Trig to find out. But they did a poor job of creating a cover story for him.
I have seen the damage that airing a family's private matter has done to the children in a family because of the mistakes of the adults, and believe me the children are hurt far worse than the adult is. So I just suggest to exercise some caution where the kids are concerned. And not to use the excuse of "Well SP is doing it to her children" so it makes it ok for me to twist the knife.
I just think that nothing is going to come of this, except the damage left on those kids in the wake of this obsession to find out Trigs true parentage, and SP's obsession for political power.
To each his own I guess, but I would hope that rational, thinking people could see the broader ramifications of their actions, instead of just seeing through the tunnel vision of "Whos the baby mama"
Everything else about SP is being ignored except this. Her record is atrocious but no one seems to care. The way she wastes taxpayer money and never even shows up for work. The abuse of her office is never even discussed. The lies about her record is what should be focused on, but I guess that won't make it on the cover of the Enquirer...
I can think of one really good reason why Craig's suggestion for compiling "the most likely basic scenario, in a timeline format, supported by the best photographic evidence you have, and lay it out in one post is NOT a good idea.
That way, the mouthpiece(s) for Sarah Palin can go to their favorite neocon-toadying news channel or AK state press release site online and announce their buzz-word invective-laced put-downs of the findings ALL AT ONCE. Goodness, why make it easy for them?
I'd rather they have to read what we've discovered bit by bit, day by day, and have them take on these issues one by one.
I also would NOT send any of this stuff out to the MSM in hopes someone gets interested. It's all right here, all they have to do is read it, check out our links, look at the pictures we've reviewed.
If the number of comments here the past week or so is any indication, there's so many more folks finding this place, just lurking and reading.
Don't worry. The MSM knows. The rolling stone has just started up, and there's less and less moss every day.
Andrew Halcro's posting on "A Day in the Life" was promised earlier on his site. He postponed posting so he could verify something. This probably indicates that most of what he said is representative of the truth. I think his reference to "fortunate son" was regarding Levi.
We should remain aware of SP's deflective actions. Her focus on bloggers and birth theories detracts from the real problems of governing. The tinted windows is a great symbol of her desire for notice and to hide at the same time.
sandra in oregon
Blue TX - you're also wrong to state that no one notices her shortcomings as governor.
This very thread contains many references to a recent blogpost by Andrew Halcro that has generated a LOT of commentary from politicians:
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/a_day_in_the_life
Discussions on Palin's Deceptions also often reference the Mudflats blog - see http://www.themudflats.net/
or the Editor's Blog on the Anchorage Daily News site:
http://community.adn.com/adn/blog/6344
with hundreds of accompanying comments
or the Political Blog on ADN:
http://community.adn.com/adn/node/136414
with THOUSANDS of comments!
So yes, we're definitely interested in these other aspects of Palin's story; but if you research the history of Audrey's blog, you'll see that her primary emphasis from the beginning has been the inconsistencies that exist in SP's tale of the birth of Trig. SP may be very incompetent in other areas, too, but it's her glarinigly inappropriate actions as a mother that first attracted our attention!
BlueTx said:
I have seen the damage that airing a family's private matter has done to the children in a family because of the mistakes of the adults, and believe me the children are hurt far worse than the adult is. So I just suggest to exercise some caution where the kids are concerned. And not to use the excuse of 'Well SP is doing it to her children' so it makes it ok for me to twist the knife."
How many times do the folks here who are investigating Sarah Palin's deceptions have to tell those who get side-tracked by "the children", those of us who've stuck it out these past few months have no intent to hurt Sarah Palin or anyone else. The mission statement is in the first entry of this blog.
I feel badly for a family's "private matter" being aired in public, if indeed, they are private citizens. But the family of Sarah Palin is not your family next door, or in any way "private citizens".
My sister just got named to our town's planning commission, and to qualify she not only had to submit HER tax records, but mine, too -- we have a shared household. I didn't like it, but we acquiesced.
The Palin family are kin to a woman who's been in public life for 13 years now. They know the drill. They've seen the media and paparazzi tag-alongs, and they've seen their mother "in action".
Do you think last Saturday 1/3/09 Piper Palin really looked like she was enjoying herself when she was paraded up in front of the foreign dignitaries to stand there and clap while her mother read her speech for 10 minutes? I don't. But I don't think she had much choice, either. That's the way it's been for all of Sarah Palin's kids for the past 13 years.
So what's been going on this past 6 months is certainly nothing new to that whole family, with one exception.
There's a whole bunch of people asking questions about plainly irrational or contradictory statements from Sarah Palin and her spokespeople, and supposedly corroborating pictures produced by mysterious gnomes, and a LOT of magically disappearing data and pictures from the public domain.
Questions without answers are begetting more questions, hence the rolling stone.
To BlueTX at 11:16 am
"If Trigg was never to know that he was adopted and SP was not his bio mother he will now, and he is the one who will be living with that."
It is so very selfish to lie about a child's biological parentage, whether the child is capable of "fully" understanding it or not - it is even more disgusting if SP thought, due to having DS, "Trig will never know" so it was somehow OK. Just another example of her exploiting her children's vulnerabilities for her own gains.
I have known and know of several people who were lied to about their biological parentage or about siblings they never knew existed. ALL of them, once they found out about it, as adults (these things usually come to light eventually) were profoundly and deeply messed up by it.
And what about when Tripp one day finds out that his uncle is actually his brother?
Kajo...
If that is how you justify "twisting the knife" then so be it. It is you who has to live with what transpires.
I truly hope that the truth you seek is not as horrific as it very well may be. For all you know, Willow or Bristol could be the mother, could be that they were raped, and the family is trying to protect their privacy. Willow was only 13 at the time. And you know those children are not watched as well as they should be.
But since they have no rights to personal privacy according to you, all matters no matter what they are should be readily available for your personal viewing pleasure.
I just think there are many more constructive ways to make sure SP never gets out of Alaska than proving she is not Trigs bio mother. Its not enough to stop her even if she admits it.
Anon 11:46AM
You are actually stating things in the same way I am. The big spike in interest in the Trig story within the blogosphere last Fall, especially with high-profile sites like Daily Kos, gave the traditional media the necessary cover to address the story, by referring to all the internet buzz.
That is the same sequence of events that I was suggesting.
KaJo:
You may believe that people will come to the story on this blog, no matter how much work they have to do to sort through the noise and pull it together themselves, but I happen to believe that if a story is laid out in a clear sequential pattern, with the best evidence put forward and proactively "marketed", you'll get a much more receptive response from people outside of this blog to be willing to digest it and consider it.
Wow, that was quite a run-on sentence!
By the way, I said DON'T send your summary post to the MSM initially!!! Start with the blogosphere first. They have no journalistic standards to limit them and the liberal bloggers are automatically very receptive to a story that would potentially damage Palin. The MSM won't touch it until the blogosphere gives them enough cover.
If you truly have confidence in the essense of the story, you shouldn't be concerned about possible critiques on it from the outside.
To questionall...
No one said SP was mother of the year. She will have to live with the choices she makes. Just like all families.
But her actions are seperate from the actions of people trying to make sure the country knows about Bristol's or Willow's personal issues. They didn't ask for this. They are being forced by their mother.
And I think there are better ways to fulfill your goals of making sure SP holds no political office, than what could amount to simply opening the wounds of young girls and pouring salt in it.
"I just think there are many more constructive ways to make sure SP never gets out of Alaska than proving she is not Trigs bio mother. Its not enough to stop her even if she admits it."
Plenty of people agree with you, which is why, as people have tried to point out to you today, there are many other sites documenting SP's many flaws. And as has also been pointed out to you, THIS site has a stated purpose that you seem to be ignoring. Further, it was SP herself who brought her "family values" into the campaign. It was SP who thought she knew enough about raising a family that her values, including abstinence-only education, should be imposed on the whole country.
BlueTx,
You just really don't get it,do you? It's too late for Gov Palin's kids not to be impacted by her lies and deceptions.
If Britol or Willow is the mother of Trig due to rape, it still does not justify Gov. Palin faking a pregnancy and continuing the lies to selfishly promote her own agenda in politics.
I just think that there were other ways that Gov. Palin could have handled this deception and the faking of a pregnancy and throwing Bristol under the bus to justify her lie was not the answer.
It's unfortunate for the kids but always remember that the naked truth is always chasing a well-dressed lie. These kids will eventually get hurt anyway with parents like Gov. Palin and First Dude.
It's all very sad but justified in my opinion. We need to know the character of our politicians.
BluTx, I'm quite sure Palin is counting on people like you who are willing to stand by and allow her to use her children as human shields. But do you really think living with a lie is in their best interest, or that the truth won't eventually come out later anyway in an even more painful and traumatic way?
And don't you think that if Palin is finally forced to take responsibility for her actions, step down from public life and re-evaluate what her political ambitions have done to all her kids that they might just benefit in the long run?
To Craig: I always appreciate your insights. Please know that. But don't assume because Audrey isn't showing her hand about how she plans to handle this information doesn't mean she does not have one.
If something terrible happened to any young girl and that resulted in Trig, I don't see how SP claiming the baby helps the situation. Especially since she was using Trig's birth as her "family values" credential by telling everyone that she decided to keep the baby after finding out about the Downs syndrome. A caring mother would have declined to put herself and her family in the political spotlight. A caring mother would not use such a tragedy to further her own political agenda. A caring mother would be sure that the young girl was getting help for whatever happened instead of being dragged all over the country for the mother's political purposes.
BlueTx this comment stood out to me:
Willow was only 13 at the time.
Do you know something we don't know?
Cowbell and Wake up America
OK, I went back and read the purpose of this blog. The purpose is to expose SP lies about being Trigs bio mom... correct?
What I don't get is what is that going to do for you, if you succeed. I don't see how it will destroy SP political ambitions. She'll survive just like most other politicians do through personal scandals.
There is so much effort put into this, and I see it as fruitless. All this effort could be put toward something that will actually work.
I am of the mind, that it takes a village, and people shouldn't harm children more just because their parents put them out there.
I am also of the mind that politicians and celebrities should be allowed some kind of privacy. I don't care what Bill Clinton did under his desk, as long as he ran my country well. That was between him and his wife.
Maybe thats where I'm coming from, that personal scandals are not going to stop a political career, but then again that is not the purpose here. The purpose here is to simply expose who the mother of Trig is...
I get it now...
I think SP would approve of the new rules here as well given the new interview she did for the Alaska Report
I'll get off my soapbox now, I was a little confused before as to the goals here. But thanks for clarifying what they really are.
I've been sitting on my butt too long today anyway.
Hmmm... Me thinks BlueTX squaks too much. Why would she/he be sooo concerned about 'the children'? Have we hit a nerve somewhere, and are we finally getting close to the real point?
Just wondering...
To BlueTx at 1:16 pm
“ No one said SP was mother of the year. She will have to live with the choices she makes. Just like all families.”
I do not care how SP will live with her choices. What I do care about is how her children/grandchildren will live with the choices that she unfairly imposed on them.
Morgan;
I understand your point. I am speaking more toward the commentors who keep asking a) why won't Sarah give any proof, and b) why doesn't the MSM pick up the story?
The video of SP at the gym being asked about bloggers (http://alaskareport.com/news19/x61890_bloggers_palin.htm) is a must watch. It starts “I would love for names to be on the blog entries so that people are held accountable when they lie” and gets better from there. If you’re in need of a few giggles, take a minute and watch.
Since we know you’re reading, Sarah ... may I introduce you to kettle?
Seriously, a few things:
First, the definition of “to lie”, per Merriam-Webster, is “to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive.” Therefore, if no intent to deceive, no lie. Questioning another person’s statements and theorizing on the actual events of a story are not lies, but just that, questions and theories.
Second, if you find actual lies about you or your family upsetting, quit whining about it (remember your advice to Hillary, don’t you?) and prove those lies wrong. Oh, and simply repeating your claims that what you say is true doesn’t constitute proof.
Third, there are Supreme Court cases that support one’s right to make public statements without attaching one’s name to it. Look it up, you might find it useful for future interviews.
Fourth, you do remember the Golden Rule, right? You know, do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Perhaps when you stop lying (“thanks, but no thanks”, no earmarks, gas pipeline, etc, etc, etc), those few people who may be spreading actual lies will stop. Also.
Now, don’t have you more important things to do also like govern there in that state of which you are the governor of?
P.S. For those who may not know this, pathological liars are masters of blaming others for their lies and their need to lie (“I lie to protect you”, “I lie because you couldn’t handle the truth”, “If you didn’t ______, I wouldn’t need to lie”, etc) while expecting others to not lie. Sound familiar?
No matter the reason for the lie, Palin's political dreams would die.
“I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you.” Friedrich Nietzsche
The closed-mouth behavior of hospital staff doesn't mean anything - nowadays there are strict privacy laws and people can be fired for just looking at records not relevant to their own work, much less talking to anybody about it. (It's not like such jobs are plentiful in Alaska!)
When I was in the hospital, the chaplain (who knew me) came to visit when he saw me on the list of admissions and I told him "Don't tell anybody I'm here!" since I didn't want visitors. He said he couldn't tell anyone anyway, because of the tough privacy laws. So if they can't even tell your mutual friends that you're in the hospital, I'm sure they can't tell anybody about who gave birth when and where unless that person gives explicit permission.
Not giving that permission still doesn't prove anything, since it's possible that Sarah just thinks it's much ado about nothing (if she was pregnant) or none of our business (if she wasn't). So non-medical people would have to be the ones to confirm or deny any other clues in this mystery, I would think.
"Don't fool yourselves into thinking that you are not hurting those children as much as SP is, because you are."
How, exactly, are they being hurt? What injuries have they received? It's unfortunate they don't seem to have been well parented but I think everyone here is placing the blame exactly where it belongs, on Sarah and Todd.
"If Trigg was never to know that he was adopted and SP was not his bio mother he will now, and he is the one who will be living with that."
He would live with that regardless. I agree that Sarah should not have lied to him- the problem with lies in a family is that they are almost always exposed in the end. But I'm sure Sarah will spin it to her advantage somehow.
I am convinced that the Mercede posting on the Wilfong myspace page is legit. She never shut down her page, she turned it to private on Sept. 1 the day the pics of her and the Palins showed up all over the internet. Someone would need her password to post anything for her. She can change it anytime. As far as her spelling-it's a mixture of text speak and just not being a very bright girl. I have seen one of her postings from 2006-same kind of spelling.On the Wilfong post she says: Ummm my Mom and I aren't allowed to see the baby.What's with the "Umm"? Seems strange. Then she tells the woman she will tell her the whole story when she sees her.
Regarding the post on Celtic Divas blog about too many people in the hospital would know about the birth. Who says the Trig was born in a hospital? I saw a blog written by a girl in Wasilla who had a baby at a midwifery near her home. The adoptive parents picked up the baby within a few hours. I googled it and there are 3 midwiferys in Wasilla. 3? For a town that size? I don't think Dr. Johnson said that she delivered Trig. She said that Sarah had 4 full term and 1 35 week delivery. (I might be wrong about that). Sarah got to the hospital about midnight right? Not many people around. Easy to check in a patient without too many people knowing what's going on. Dr.Johnson wrote about Trig's condition. Wasn't there a pediatrician? Have I missed that?
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