What leads to this seemingly illogical statement? In short, how birth certificates are handled in the face of an adoption. I have researched this with the help of an associate who has interviewed an Alaskan attorney who handles adoptions. The path to adoption - and the paperwork involved - is as follows. This outlines what would happen in the case of a closed, private adoption, with the parents and birth mother knowing each other prior to the birth, and making some of the arrangements before the baby is born.
1. A baby is born. An attendant at the birth (can be any facility staff person, not necessarily the doctor) files a “Report of Live Birth.” The birth mom fills out the form with her name and the name of the father. Other info includes the name of the facility and the name of the doctor, if there is one. This document is confidential. In the case of a subsequent adoption, only parties to the adoption ever see this, like the parents (birth and adoptive) and their attorneys. This report is saved for 100 years but it is impossible to get because it is confidential. The adoptive parents would take the baby home from the hospital.
2. There is a hearing within a week or two. This proceeding is confidential.
3. A decree of adoption is issued. Once again, this is a confidential document.
4. A birth certificate with the child’s new name and adoptive parents’ names is issued by the state. You cannot tell by looking at that birth certificate that the child has been adopted so even if it is released, it would be of little value. The birth certificate contains ONLY the following information: the child's (new) name, the adoptive parents' names, the date, and place (city and state) of his birth. Here's an example of an "heirloom" birth certificate you can order for an Alaska birth. It's more decorative than a regular one, but contains all the same info.
Different people born at different times in different places may have other information on their birth certificates. When I was born (long long ago and far far away) the state in which I was born seems to have combined the "birth certificate" and the "report of live birth." My birth certificate contains not only my parents' names, my name, time, place, and date, of course, but the hospital of my birth, my parents' marital status, the number of my mother's previous pregnancies, and the attending doctor's signature as well.
Since the beginning of my investigation into this I have assumed that, if Trig is not Sarah and Todd Palin's biological child, by the time of the campaign, he would have already been long since legally adopted. Therefore, releasing his birth certificate would prove nothing, since it would list his adoptive parents' name, his name, the date, and place of his birth. It would be tell us nothing.
But then I started thinking about this recently. OK, maybe that's true, but then.... why NOT release it? It might not be proof positive for those of us who understand the adoption procedure, but it would have still given the Palins political points. "Look, [eyes rolling] we released the damn birth certificate. They asked for it..." [and many did] "... and we gave it to them. What more can these loonies want?" And those who might have tried to explain about the nuance of adoption law would, at least to many, appear as if they were again splitting hairs. I'll say it again... the Palins could have gotten a fair amount of mileage out of releasing it.
But they didn't. After numerous calls from multiple sources for many months, they still have not. Why not, when they should have had nothing to lose, and potentially at least something to gain? When the document should contain nothing but the names of Sarah and Todd Palin, and the information that Trig was born on April 18th, 2008 in Palmer, Alaska?
Well, here's one answer. Here's why my original statement was that, while releasing it would not have proved anything conclusively, NOT releasing it may be telling us a lot.
What changes when the child is adopted, from the "Report of Live Birth," to the "Birth Certificate?" The baby's name and the parents' names. That's all. What does not change, CANNOT change? The date and place of the birth.
If the child that we now know as Trig Paxson Van Palin was NOT born in Palmer Alaska on April 18th, 2008, his birth certificate would show us that, no matter who the parents are. Could this be the reason no birth certificate has ever been released? Not because they won't, but because they can't?
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Much has been made here by Craig and others that MSM has not picked up this story with any vigor.
Among those in MSM, only Andrew Sullivan has made it clear that he finds the circumstances as fishy as many of us do, and has proposed reasonable information releases to settle the issue once and for all. He has reported that his questions were either ducked or his asking was considered insulting. He, like us, isn't buying the non-answers.
Craig and others have argued that MSM's not investigating represents a collective wisdom that there isn't a story. He's argued that their competitiveness for news -- and even willingness to pay for it in the case of some publications such as National Enquirer -- is evidence that those of us still questioning are chasing dead-ends.
Craig may be right, but I'll argue that others' lack of coverage is not proof that there is nothing to cover. The logical fallacy in Craig-et.-al.'s argument is the reversal of cause and effect, often called cart-before-the-horse. For the news business, even the National Enquirer, events are the cause and coverage is the effect.
The fallacy derives from concluding no cause because there is no observable effect. We are continuing our reporting because we see the ongoing cause: unanswered questions and inconsistent evidence in the birth of Trig Palin. Just because most others decision-makers in MSM don't have the same opinion of the newsworthiness of those questions, that doesn't make them any less valid now than they were back in March and April of 2008.
SP herself tried to deflate the story, but did so very lamely. She just repeated her assertions, and pointed to others repeating them as proof that those assertions were true. I guess she has decided that repeating a lie often enough should it the truth. She also says she isn't going to address it any more. That means that MSM and SP have the same position: "Nothing to see here people. Move along."
I'd counter that something did happen and there must be a whole lot of rationalizations going in the newsrooms around the country when this topic comes up. I'm sure everyone just looks around and thinks -- well, nobody else is covering it, so why should we?
The psychological term is 'cognitive dissonance', wherein a party or group accepts two contrary notions simultaneously. The questions related to Trig's birth and SP's inability to prove she gave birth to him are too obvious for a conscious mind to ignore. Yet, MSM hasn't addressed these questions which challenges their professional responsibilities.
Evidence of cognitive dissonance is disharmony of responses of those carrying that mental state. Pat Dougherty's postings clearly fall in that category, as he states that he 'knows' SP is Trig's mother, but refuses to share with the rest of us the basis for it. When he finally tries to, his effort looks foolish, simply repeating the same unsupported statements we've all heard.
SP's behavior is the same, although her cognitive dissonance is on a different issue. For her, it would be the knowledge that the questions persist, but she can't get people to drop them when she konws that the questions are legitimate. So she will lambast Mr. Dougherty for not killing the story, although she'll do nothing to help him do so. And she bring it up, unprompted, in interview after interview, while calling it -- perhaps unconsciously -- a 'sensational lie'. There is a lie alright, but where not the ones who are lying!!
She could have called it a 'sensational slander', but one can only 'lie' about a fact that one knows to be false. We don't know the truth of Trig's birth mother, so we can't lie about it. She can, however.
Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful motivator in human beings. It requires great effort to maintain that state of mind. Those of us have continued this investigation have had no problem doing so because our mental state is not one of disharmony. Mr. Dougherty tried to address that mental state by having Ms. Demer look into it, but had to drop it when they didn't get the story that he "wanted", per his own admission.
For everyone in MSM, except Mr. Sullivan, the conflicting notions of SP's feeble labor and delivery story and their failure to question it more closely has led to little or no obvious methods to resolve. Those that have has just deepened its impact. So the most common method humans use to address cognitive dissonance that would require an uncomfortable effort to resolve is this: try not to think about it, and attack anyone who brings it up.
Sound familiar?
Harmoniously,
Dangerous
"When your water breaks or even leaks a little they induce within 24 hrs of leaking to prevent infection, contractions or not. Happened to me, I had slight leakage, but no contractions. I had to be induced to prevent infection"
And I had slight leakeage and spent 18 hours in the hospital, having blood drawn every few hours to see if I was developing an infection. After 18 hours, with no change in my white count, no contractions and no further leakage, I was sent home. But I had definitely gone to the hospital and been thoroughly checked- my doctor didn't blow it off.
Sarah Palin will be interviewed by Glenn Beck this coming Monday (Fox 5, 5pm Eastern Time)
He is requesting "questions" ...
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/20256/?ck=1
I personally wouldnt ask so Where is Trig's B.Certificate.. as it most likely won't make the cut..
But in the sleuthing here (which I support) perhaps if there is a date or time in question.. a gap.. something like that..
you guys can come up with "slick" questions .. like to get the "fact" without her or him knowing what you are truly getting at..
if that makes sense..
Morgan -- good point, good guidelines. I have really appreciated the obviously well-informed, well-stated psych analyses up to now. They almost stand on their own: without knowing credentials, they seem so authoritatively written -- I mean they make perfect sense and are illuminating.
But you are right, credentials is an issue on the web. And you are further right about staying within the scope of our effort. I hugely appreciate the moderation. And I'm speaking from the perspective of not only a reader but of someone whose nuttier posts have been rejected -- and rightly so. Thanks again, Morgan, Audrey, and the whole team.
Meanwhile, I would like to note that Craig has not yet answered my question.
Craig: As your personal belief, after seeing these three photos, was SP pregnant or not? And since I think you will say PREGNANT, or NOT SURE, I am especially eager to know what gives you a nano-iota of doubt? Because if there is a gap in what I consider to be proof, I'd like to understand it better.
The sources for the first two photos seem unimpeachable; there are multiple versions all over the web, and they all show the same thing; other photos taken at the same time corroborate the info in these photos; and there are other photos on other days that make this same point.
As for passing this info to other outlets, I'll leave that up to Audrey et al. I am sure she has a plan, and I have full confidence in her coordinating the efforts of this great team we have here.
As a last point, I'd like to differ with your third paragraph, Morgan. MY purpose in participating in this blog has as little as possible to do with Trig and his bio parentage. And I would say that SP is his mother, one way or another. What I want to know is
?-----WAS SP PREGNANT OR NOT?-----?
because the answer to this v simple question will tell us (without additional info) whether SP perpetrated a hoax upon us all, degraded the McCain campaign, whether she lives her ethics, whether she has been lying in a big way (with obvious implications re our opinions on the abundant other Palin-gates).
I do care about all the rest, and I feel a lot of sympathy for what I am guessing are the further facts of this situation, but I think the rest of it should be handled in another arena. Not in this blog, and probably not in public. In any case, I feel I have no right to know the rest -- but we all of us DO have the right to know if SP lied to us so blatantly or not.
And if she did not lie, I am prepared to apologize. AFTER someone explains to me how these photos could tell any other story.
"Yet this was a real interview, actually aired by KTUU. So what was going on there?"
This is in reference to Gusty's interview/photo.
McMidnight-do you know for a fact that this aired? Did it actually air LIVE as the tag in the corner says? If so, could you point to some link or youtube video to validate this?
Thanks!
BlueTx said:
:"Not odd at all to me when there are a bunch of "anonymous bloggers" just salivating at the mouth for a glimpse. "
CasaCalvo said:
"Nothing about this story could cause me to salivate at the mouth."
I agree, Casa. Plus I don't think I'd salivate anywhere else, either!
CasaCalvo said @ 6:02 AM 1/17/09, "There was a heated discussion on Mudflats on one of the threads where people who are not from Alaska were trying to use that email and a warning message would come up saying that you have to be a resident of Alaska to email the governor. Is there a place in AK called Blue Tx?"
I live in Oregon. I got on the AK state website, went to the Governor's page, and opened up a form that I filled out with my real name and e-mail address and location. I typed my message to Sarah Palin (it was about that Wikipedia page for Emmonak, Alaska -- I suggested she take a look at it). I got a message saying my e-mail was accepted.
So, if people were having problems, it might be because the software for the e-mail function at the AK website couldn't match up ISP locations with the actual locations the people said they were at. Or some such security thing...
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GraceR said 'way up in the comments, "I saw on a local news show this morning that People magazine would not pay big bucks for pictures of Tripp unless SP was in the pictures, too. She's apparently refusing to be involved in the "pay for pictures" business due to political/ethical reasons, per People." and NY tabloid chick mentioned the above as part of Scenario #2.
I cry bullshit about Sarah Palin's excuse for not being part of the People photoshoot for political/ethical reasons. She was already on one People cover and there was a story about Trig last spring.
Sarah Palin is so full of BS.
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moseyon (@ 6:27 AM), you're late to the party. We discussed the PDF doctor's letter at least 6 weeks ago.
In case some of you are unaware of certain facts, this video of SP and Glenn Beck from June 2008 clearly shows that both she and the right wingnuts were planning her VP run long before most of us knew anything about it. Note the script in which she says the words tapped and resources repeatedly. Note also you can tell when the bull shovel is coming out because she always begins slinging the bull from her script suddenly from the middle of a sentence.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/glenn_becks_first_guest_sarah_palin_105940.asp
So Craig,no answers to Amy and my questions? I did so want to be able to take you seriously and provide some doubt about what we believe. It was my offer of a chance for you to demonstrate your crediblity. Alas, nothing!
Everyone seems to think the fact that no pictures of Tripp have been released means that he hasn't been born.
I tend to believe that he has been born, and that the only reason we haven't seen pictures yet is because the Palins aren't going to give away for free pictures when they could earn a buck on them. If they released a free picture of Tripp, it would diminish what they could earn from an "exclusive" picture. Did Angela Jolie give away the first pictures of any of her birth children for nothing? No. Neither will the Palins. They are still negotiating.
After all, you have to remember that while Sarah wants to quibble about whether Bristol and Levi are high-school drop outs (since they are apparently both taking correspondence courses to try to earn their GEDs) neither finished high school with their classes and neither (unless Sarah pull strings) have any reasonable opportunity to earn a living sufficient to support their new baby, so unless Sarah wants to cut into her Neiman's budget to support the baby (remember Levi's mother asked for a public defender since she said she couldn't afford to hire a lawyer, so financial support isn't coming from that quarter), the pictures are the holy grail.
What a tragic bunch these Palin-Johnsons are. I think that is why people are so interested.
Don G.
Wow, such a drama-filled post in calling out someone who is simply offering their own opinion on a comment board!
First, my credibility in your eyes is obviously for you to determine yourself. However, I think the others on this site would prefer to make their own opinion on that subject, rather than have you decide to be their final arbiter of who they should give credibility to.
If you've read my other posts on this thread, I said I have no reason to doubt the dates attributed to these photos.
I am not an OB/GYN or any other expert in pregnancy. I do believe that pregnancies do not follow a set pattern of size and weight at various markers prior to delivery. Lots of a factors can interplay, including the physical activity of the mother (Sarah is/was apparently a regular jogger), her eating habits, and the condition of the baby itself (DS).
But, for me to say that, in looking at just this very small collection of pictures from her second and third trimester and state, on STRICTLY this basis, that she was indisputably pregnant or not, is not possible. In the April picture at her office with Gusty, she certainly appears pregnant, and potentially pregnant enough to be around 8 months along. The picture from, I believe, February doesn't show obvious signs of pregnancy. And the one with the little girl (from March?) shows, to me, a paunch.
So, these particular pictures, looked at in isolation of anything else, is a mixed bag of evidence(imo).
But what do I know? That is why I suggested earlier that these pictures should be reviewed by a group of unbiased OB/GYN's and such, to see if the photographic evidence is as obvious to them as it seems to be to many here. If I had to make a guess, I'd say the the majority would state that it was indeterminable. But why not find out?
So, if I only feel certain about the April picture, why do I feel Trig is Sarah's baby? The rationales given for her motivation just don't ring true to me as being worth the risk of an utterly bizarre baby switch for a woman in a high-profile position. And a double hoax, involving Tripp, would be so incredibly impossible to succeed that the Palin's would have to be truly and clinically INSANE to try to pull it off.
When you add my prior explanations revolving around her eventual VP run and the exposure to the details of her public/private life during that adversarial environment, the passion and resources of her enemies, the ease in which the blogosphere can report on unseemly and sensational issues that the MSM won't touch, the narrative for "why" and "how" just don't pass the smell test for me (I've gone into greater detail on this in prior comments.)
But again, if the pictures themselves are a slam dunk for Don and Amy1 and many others, then send them along to Andrew Sullivan. He is about as high-profile of a blogger that there is around. And he has shown himself to be a skeptic of the official Sarah-Trig story. If these pictures prove an obvious fact, then he will agree and will either post them to his blog or will link to them and spotlight the work being done here.
So Don, choose to ignore me if you wish. I am just one of many commenters on this blog, with my own take on the issue.
The MSM will never pick this story up until a major player talks. Think of the Madoff story. Rumors had circulated for years that it was a Ponzi scheme, but NO ONE investigated publicly.
That's why god made artists, bloggers, and women with strong instincts.
Dangerous;
I have said time and time again that the blogosphere's (apart from Sullivan) lack of interest is even more compelling than the MSM. Yet you keep suggesting that my argument regarding non-reporting is focused on the MSM.
Here is a link to another excellent Alaska blog. And a quote from today's blog:
P.S. REALLY GOOD STORY tomorrow written by a wonderful labor and delievery nurse/friend on Palin and her "Trig issues"
Celtic Diva's Blue Oasis
Quick!
http://gawker.com/5133740/the-hillbillies-of-wasilla-saga-continues
In regard to the MSM ignoring the Trig story, ournalism rofessor and journalism critic Jay Rosen has a marvelous post on on his site about how the media works in cahoots with officials to dictate what is acceptable public discourse and what is "deviant" and thus ignored.
But just because they ignore it, does not mean it is not true or not serious, just that it makes them uncomfortable.
http://journalism.nyu.edu/pubzone/weblogs/pressthink/2009/01/12/atomization.html
3.) In the sphere of deviance we find “political actors and views which journalists and the political mainstream of society reject as unworthy of being heard.” As in the sphere of consensus, neutrality isn’t the watchword here; journalists maintain order by either keeping the deviant out of the news entirely or identifying it within the news frame as unacceptable, radical, or just plain impossible. The press “plays the role of exposing, condemning, or excluding from the public agenda” the deviant view, says Hallin. It “marks out and defends the limits of acceptable political conduct.”
Tabloid Chick!
Thanks for the Gawker news!
Allegedly from Mercede's MySpace Jan 7th: "Im not aloud to see my nefu and my mom isnt either. We arnt palins so there for we are white trash and Bristol doesnt want her baby around us. . ."
Poor thing. It makes me want to email her that there may not actually be a "nefu" to worry over-- and that's why she and her mom are being kept away.
As the parent of a child with "special needs", I have
been interested in, and appalled by, Sarah Palin's role in the last election.
I am all too aware of how the neocons and theocons attempt to use our families and our "special" children as ideologic pawns.
I can't help but think Trig was part of a strategy to make Sarah Palin seem particularly compelling to the fundamentalist base.
It seems just too convenient that (despite the high odds against it) either Sarah or Bristol delivered a made-to-order Down Syndrome baby just in time for the election.
Trig was cited again and again by pundits on the right as the most compelling reason to vote for Sarah: it was the "central" fact of her life, they said; it showed she "walked the walk."
References have been given on this blog to the October 27, 2008, article in The New Yorker by Jane Mayer (author of "The Dark Side" -- the book that revealed the torture policies of the Bush administration). The New Yorker article is entitled "How John McCain came to pick Sarah Palin."
I would also like to draw attention to an interview that Jane Mayer gave to Amy Goodman of "Democracy Now" on October 29,2008, entitled "The Insiders: How John McCain Came to Pick Sarah Palin."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/29/jane_mayer_on_the_insiders_how
Now just maybe Trig, the crucial campaign prop for Sarah, was providentially delivered to her by Bristol -- and the circumstantial evidence is indeed strong.
But maybe, just maybe, the "insiders" who seem to feel they are on "a mission from God" could have had a hand in it.
BTW, Amy 1, my husband also long ago called out Lillian Hellman as a liar based on her Pentimento memoirs, but my husband -- unlike your husband -- believes Sarah Palin is NOT the mother. He took one look at the pictures of Sarah -- especially the ones from super Tuesday in early February where she was supposedly 26 weeks pregnant -- and he recalled my own size at 26 weeks (I delivered a living 2 pound preemie only a week later) and he laughed his head off at the idea that anyone would believe Palin's story!
I'm the same height and build as SP. In my first pregnancy I didn't show much until around 24/26 weeks. In the second I was way out there by that stage.
My first boy was 6lb 1oz and by the 8th month, at the same stage as SP in the April 13 picture, I was MUCH bigger than that! He only achieved his full weight at 41 weeks (I was late).
I have never seen any pregnant woman get big, than small, then big again.
The only instance of shape changes that I know is when the baby's head engages into the pelvis, but the mother doesn't look unpregnant all of a sudden! As far as I know, only first babies engage and stay engaged for a while prior to the onset of labour. Subsequent babies tend to engage later. Or engage and disengage. Maybe Audrey can confirm that.
Craig, I think you're pushing a bit by saying that the size of the bump can vary depending on diet, exercise or anything else... There was no famine in Alaska during SP's pregnancy, was there?
Thanks Craig and no hard feelings. I just felt that I had to be a little dramatic with you so you would say that you think that Palin is pregnant in all those pictures. Now you have so I'm finished with you and our issue with each other.
I won't further question your credibility and neither should you question mine. We should leave that up to the people on this blog. We simply disagree with each other and I think the pictures are conclusive if they are indeed dated correctly.
Have a nice day!
Regina asks Craig: "there was not famine in Alaska was there?"
Good question Regina, that could be the answer we are all looking for which will explain Sarah looking so hungry for a lady who is 7 months pregnant.
The dreaded Alaskan famine!
A much more acceptable than suggesting that she's not pregnant!
Ya think?
Craig mentioned that SP is/was a regular jogger.
In fact, she is quite a serious runner: she ran a sub-four-hour marathon (26.2 miles) in 2005. While not world-class, that's a very respectable time, for those of you unfamiliar with the sport.
Here's an interesting article (9/22/08) about SP's fitness regimen:
http://s.wsj.net/article/SB122002155637283431.html
Passage relevant to this blog:
"'Conventional running is my sanity,' Gov. Palin says. Having recently given birth to her fifth child, the governor is trying to get back to her old workout routine. She was running 7 to 10 miles almost every day but switched to aerobics classes at her gym when she became pregnant. She has worked her way back up to running three miles every other day."
I signed up on google just now so that I could respond to Amy the First's excellent and compassionate post.
You and I are on the same page and you stated the fundamental dilemma of this case with clarity and empathy. Thank you !
Most conjecture supposes that SP is lying for herself
(Bristol being secondary after the RNC expose). That may not be the case. Consider if SP is really lying for someone else, and who that someone else would be in order to have that kind of control over her. Case closed.
The pictures are compelling but to me nothing else is needed except the Wild Ride story. Told in SP's own words. That is when my bs antenna tuned in, reading that story way back in April. A credible explanation would, at the least, include CJB, upon receiving the 4am phone call, coordinating with someone in Dallas who could privately and discreetly arrange to check SP out in her hotel room
(no need for drama or publicity) and consult with CJB on the phone as someone who actually KNEW what was going on with SP. If SP would not agree to that, then any reputable doctor would sign off on their patient then and there. For malpractice reasons if nothing else.
There is only one reason I can think of as to why SP did not get checked out in Dallas. Not rocket science to figure it out.
I didn't show with my pregnancies. Long torso. (Don't think SP has a long torso because then she would have short legs like me.) But I also went from NO signs of labor to delivered babies in about four hours. Would I have gotten on a place after 'leakage', or even flown late in pregnancy ? Ha Ha.
In fact, I skipped my sister's wedding for that very reason. She was insulted until after having babies of her own. Men posting here, with all due respect, you have NO IDEA of how ludicrous SP's story is from the perspective of most mothers ! (Remember the changes in atmospheric pressure can speed up the labor process.)
Dangerous, very excellent essay on cognitive dissonance. Thank you. You nailed it.
And thank you once again to Audrey and mods.
Craig,
There is little or no difference between the MSM-- and "A List" Blogs. They're all controlled by the same journalistic standards and establishment values, as Andrew's comment above makes clear.
The blogs that break stories are not usually the ones deemed safe or respectable. (Just as Woodward and Bernstein were considered rogues at the WaPo.)
Rumor grows out of anomoly. Blogs like this one give voice to the anomolies. Thanks to Audrey and other bloggers, there's a glaring spotlight on Sarah. And it will stay there until a major player speaks out. Or Sarah makes a slip to big to be dismissed.
I'll say this one last time. Important, knowledgable people suspected Bernie Madoff's ponzi for at least ten years. When did the blogs and MSM report it? Only when Madoff's son spilled the beans.
A few comments back-- I think it was Fly on The Wall-- wrote that Audrey "is a true patriot."
I agree.
If Audrey and Morgan don't mind, let me point all of you to Celtic Diva's blog -- there's a new entry that maybe all of us should read.
http://tinyurl.com/a7h8vv
(even I haven't read it yet, but the title alone is rather attention-getting)
B-Your analysis of Sarah Palin's sister's situation is certainly interesting, and the only non-Bristol or Willow scenario that seems plausible. I could believe she would fake a pregnancy for her sister.
The problem, though, is with Bristol. The absence from school, missing the prom, and excessive amount of babysitting. And wouldn't it be odd for Bristol to be pregnant just when she needs to be, except not quite pregnant enough, necessitating them saying she was five months pregnant, when she was really only 3...oh, my aching head.
As for Molly, how often did her ex come to the door? She has six kids? Wouldn't an awful lot of people have seen her pregnant or wouldn't it have been very hard for her to hide it? And why wouldn't a private adoption have been a better route?
Kajo,
I read the post on Celtic Diva, and the nurse there seems to support my opinion that SP was trying to effect a "fundamentalist" abortion.
Craig said:
"I am not an OB/GYN or any other expert in pregnancy. I do believe that pregnancies do not follow a set pattern of size and weight at various markers prior to delivery. Lots of a factors can interplay, including the physical activity of the mother (Sarah is/was apparently a regular jogger), her eating habits, and the condition of the baby itself (DS)."
Craig, I'm really relieved that you at least concede to not being an expert but do feel compelled to warn you that this explanation of Sarah's fluctuating belly does put your case on a bridge to nowhere.
Physical activity of the mother can certainly reduce swelling. Of the ankles! But if you take the time to read the following example you'll see that this mother, who ran almost up until her due date is still obviously pregnant:
http://tinyurl.com/7k79n6
I'm not surprised at your reasoning, though. I actually had a Palin Defender once tell me that the reason Sarah looked pregnant one day and not the next was because her fetus was having a "Low Amnioitic Fluid Day" which I assume is like having a bad hair day. Only more...impossible.
The condition of the baby doesn't determine size of the bump, either. The size of the baby determines the size of the bump and Trig as a normal sized infant.
Same thing with eating habits. With my fifth pregnancy I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes and had to go on a strict low carb diet. I actually lost weight during that pregnancy and walked out of the hospital after delivering a nine pound son.
No one says you have to be an expert to address the holes in Sarah's story but you should at least have some basic knowledge before commenting. In this case, Craig, you are displaying a remarkable degree of ignorance.
The article on Celtic Diva
http://tinyurl.com/a7h8vv
argues that SP is indeed Trig's mother and that the story shld be about her recklessness, not about faking it. The author, BS in Nursing, says she is insulted that people would accuse health professionals of participating in the kind of coverup a hoax would require.
I wondered why she wasn't insulted, therefore, to know that health professionals completely failed to protect Trig from his mother's follies--not just the flight from Texas, but the many other flights she took in the late stages of her pregnancy. Did no professional ever duly warn her of the risks? Were they so snowed by her that they let themselves be blown off? In either case they failed. If SP was truly pregnant, they're damn lucky nothing happened.
I just read the guest post by Lee Thompkins, BSN over at Celtic Diva's blog, and I must say, I'm rather underwhelmed (and I left a comment there saying so).
We've had a few medical folks -- doctors and nurses -- post their opinions here. I don't believe any of them have peremptorily closed off one aspect or scenario of Sarah Palin's "pregnancy" to be looked at -- actually faking the pregnancy -- because that (more outrageous) scenario was a "sexy" story, while believing a "wild ride" of a REAL pregnancy was not.
Nor do I recall any of us who've been looking at the various scenarios being anxious to have the public "latch onto" our investigation and findings "with such fervor".
Oh, sure, Craig has suggested we punch things up and present it to the mainstream media, but I don't believe Audrey, Morgan, or any of us really serious investigator/commentors feel that way.
In fact, I think the consensus is that if Audrey's website continues to log everything that can be verified, the MSM will come here.
Amy1,
The Mar 26, 2008 photo is thought provoking for Republicans that see it. How on earth did she stay in such remarkable shape at 32 weeks pregnant?
What does fact check say about the images from that day?
Craig gave his opinion, on the March 26, 2008 photo of Sarah at 32 weeks pregnant. Craig said "And the one with the little girl (from March?) shows, to me, a paunch." Did he ask wife, mother or sister about their thoughts on that 32 week paunch? If he can't elaborate, what is wrong with sending links, questions and the Mar 26, 2008 photo to Glenn Beck? He could ask Sarah, or have his team get back with what they learn in their research? People magazine and anyone else. If it is just a simple inquiry about one documented photo, how can that be a problem? Legit media could explain and compare that photo with other like women. It is an opportunity for Beck toto show Sarah as superhuman.
If I was a Republican, I'd want to know all her fitness regime, diet. I'd really hope she puts out a book. For older pregnant women that's a must.
As long as the inquiries are respectful and well documented there shouldn't be a problem. Sarah Palin will say and do what she does, it really doesn't matter. Fact check or someone needs to answer the questions about the Mar 26, 2008 photo of 32 weeks pregnant.
THANK YOU Morgan for voicing my thoughts about Craig's posts!!
I can't see getting bent about Celtic Diva's post. She simply had a guest blogger render an opinion.
But it did make me laugh when she said she was insulted at the insinuation that a medical professional would lie. Obviously this woman has never been involved in or reported on a malpractice suit.
Medical professionals lie all the time, whether it's to cover their own ass or the ass of a colleague. Part of the reason medical malpractice suits are so hard to win is because it can be difficult to get one medical professional to testify against another.
Also, I think we can expect any number of "test theories" to be floated by the Palin camp as they try to figure a graceful exit from this scandal, especially if there is - as we expect - no Tripp.
I really think they are looking to put out an explanation that will be accepted by the public, and this might be part of that latest attempt.
I think the notion that she delivered the baby prematurely and kept it a secret may be another of those test theories.
Perhaps she's hoping to hit on something that will be palpable to the public so she can admit lying but still come across as a sympathetic figure, although I don't see how she could succeed.
A lie is a lie and even if she did it for noble reason Palin is ruined politically when the truth comes to light.
Well... Lee Thompkinks, BSN, took everything that was offered as explanation for the wild ride at face value. If SP had been pregnant, fair enough, she was reckless, etc. The wild ride is unlikely, but not impossible. But it's only one piece of the puzzle.
Did she look at all the photos? How would she explain the incredible growth of SP's bump in the space of less than 4 weeks, or in 3 days, if we compare photos of April 10 and 13?
She offered a fair analysis of the wild ride assuming that SP was really pregnant. If anybody starts from that premise, the only conclusion to be reached is that SP was highly irresponsible.
But there is so much more to it than that! It's a pity that an experienced professional didn't take the time (or was not inclined) to look at the whole picture...
I thought Sherry Johnston had already seen baby Tripp. Remember this article:
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/01/sherry-johnston-loves-baby-tripp-hates-oxycontin/
Sherry's statement in the article:
When she saw the baby the day he was born, "I started bawling," the new grandmother says. "I think he looks just like Levi... I'm very excited."
So did she or did she not see this baby?
Allegedly from Mercede's MySpace Jan 7th: "Im not aloud to see my nefu and my mom isnt either. We arnt palins so there for we are white trash and Bristol doesnt want her baby around us. . ."
I would think that if the Palin's won't allow Sherri to see Tripp now, they definitely wouldn't have allowed her to be at the birth.
Another oddity.
Thanks to Andrew and Alex for answering Craig's follow-up to my suggestion that MSM (including A-list bloggers, I agree) have rendered their opinion and a herd mentality is providing support for their cognitive dissonance.
Nobody here would reasonably argue that this investigation of Trig's parentage is the most important news item. Obama taking office and the country talking economic problems is far more important and deserves most of the public's attention.
I just find it interesting that when MSM-types DO address this topic, it is always to slam us as nutty, when were just asking reasonable questions arising from SP's own statements and the little direct evidence we can collect. MSM's entire discourse on this subject, except Andrew Sullivan, has been "We know she's Trig's mother and you guys are nutjobs."
I've just checked with ten independent psychologists and they have assured me that I'm not a nutjob, and my questions are reasonable. What doesn't sound reasonable to any of them is a woman going into labor in Texas and giving birth in Alaska. Without having a medical exam. Then going straight to a hospital. Then having an early, high-risk pregnancy induced. By a non-OB/GYN.
Call me what you will MSM-types, but you're the nutjobs if you don't see anything strange in the offical story. I think now you are in full CYA mode for buying it when it happened. What will you say when we turn out to be right?
Dangerous
"I've just checked with ten independent psychologists and they have assured me that I'm not a nutjob, and my questions are reasonable. What doesn't sound reasonable to any of them is a woman going into labor in Texas and giving birth in Alaska. Without having a medical exam. Then going straight to a hospital. Then having an early, high-risk pregnancy induced. By a non-OB/GYN."
Dangerous, that is the funniest thing I have read here in a long time. Just wanted you to know that you made me laugh, and that's no small task given that my patience has been stretched today.
Thank you from the bottom of my black little heart.
It isn't just the size of the baby or maternal diet/exercise that determines the size of the "baby bump," but all the life support mechanisms (fluid, membranes, cord, etc.) that go along with it.
I am small (5'3") and weighed 115 lbs. each time I got pregnant.
I am a runner (3-4 m/day) and train with weights.
I was huge at 26 weeks (before delivering a 2 pound baby) and even bigger at 30-35 weeks (during my pregnancy that went to term).
I have worked in perinatal medicine and seen many pregnant women. The thin ones are the LEAST likely to be able to hide a pregnancy.
Palin's pregnancy pictures and wild ride story remind me of the movie Bride Wars. Our local critic gave it a D-, creating an outcry from women who really liked the movie. Such a discrepancy!
Similarly, Craig and the male-mindset that run Alaska and the MSM just don't get it. To them it's a D- story. Yet to those of us who have been there, and even more so to those like Audrey in the childbirth profession, Sarah's version is so obviously untrue that it SCREAMS for retraction.
Sadie's inability to see her "nefu" (I knew Sherry was describing Trig as looking like Levi!) is one more guarantee that Tripp has not been born. Either Bristol gave birth to Trig or Sarah wants us to think that for some convoluted reason.
Thanks to all of you for your persistence and research and sharing of information. Soon the truth will set us free, and we can say, "I told you I wasn't crazy."
p.s. - I agree with Audrey that Bristol is now pregnant, not faking it. Although the convention photos could have just shown a nursing postpartum mother, the photos of Bristol with Sadie, one with Trig and one pre-prom, show her looking tired but small.
KaJo,
I apologize for giving the wrong information.
I didn't go the site myself to check but I did see on Mudflats angry people posting because they wanted to email SP and were somehow prevented from doing so.
From now on I will check before I write what other people say.
I was impressed by Thompkin's post on Celtic Diva. I'm also impressed that CD posted it. If her contention has legs it would certainly discredit Palin. But it would also stop any speculation.
Maybe further questions by the media should focus on the Wild Ride rather than Trig being her offspring. I think the MSM could handle that better, especially if brought up by female reporters.
The public service of this would be great if SP admitted it was foolhardy and encouraged other women to seek medical examination before flying.
This report of the "wild ride" was what alerted most of us that something was wrong. (My first concern was actually why a 44 year old woman with 4 living children would get pregnant and then ask us to support her candidacy.)
We can still explore the possibility of faking the pregnancy, but maybe we should push the MSM to clarify the original story of the birth.
sandra in oregon
Something spooked last week. This and other blogs but their HAD to be something else. MAybe the ADN reporter and the Gusty stuff, but something rattled her cage.
lets do it again!
People that believe Gov Sarah Palin is not Trigs mom are NOT CRAZY! Crazy people ARE human beings that misuse their POWER and manipulate a state and country with FORCE!
Patience is a great virture.
I wonder if Bristol has to live with her mom for the rest of her life? I feel sorry for Bristol. Seems like she is trapped in chaos of a person who wants to be FAMOUS for the WRONG reasons
THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION AT THIS MOMENT --
WHERE IS TRIPP?
WHERE IS TRIPP?
oh.. and by the way WHERE IS TRIPP?
His absence is hard to miss-
IS he IS ? OR IS HE AIN'T ??
Tootsie responded to my comment about the BP and SJ being friends Jan 16 at 8:01PM. Did you save the home page of Sadie’s MySpace page? If you did could you email it to me? Thanks.
re SQ's post.
OK: anyone in AK able to track down the other ladies in SP's aerobics class for their take on the "pregnancy."
"Crazy people ARE human beings that misuse their POWER and manipulate a state and country with FORCE!"
Oh my, can I ask please, please can we not call people crazy?
Something spooked last week. This and other blogs but their HAD to be something else. Maybe the ADN reporter and the Gusty stuff, but something rattled her cage.
My theory is, it is the DR.
No Dr wants to "look" incompetent. Much less at risk for losing her Medical license (wild ride story, and VP medical records) if too many questions are asked. Dr CBJ's name pops up over and over again with this story. My guess is it is CBJ that keeps rattling Sarah's cage and it will be CBJ that will be the crack in this case one way or another.
Dangerous, Alex, Andrew;
We'll just have to agree to disagree. First, the blogosphere has a full range of politically-based bloggers, who vary in profile in terms of daily traffic, being linked to, and in advertisment revenue. And then there are community blogs such as Daily Kos who are populated by diarists who post information.
Many of them simply editorialize while using selected links to back up their narrative. A segment of bloggers probably do try to take care to match some levels of traditional journalistic standards. However, the blogosphere, especially the politically-based blogosphere developed and grew on the basic idea that the traditional print/TV media was not covering issues or point-of-views that they wished to express or read about.
They have no restictions about "editorial balance" or "appropriate sourcing". It's THEIR opinion and beliefs that dictate the direction of their blog's content. They attract a like-minded audience who aren't getting such content/opinion from traditional sources.
To lump these divergent voices with the old-school, dead tree media and network TV, and dismissing them as similarly restricted and and beholden to one vision of the truth is a little too convienient and tidy of an answer.
The Sarah-Trig story is type of alternative, under-reported and sensational storyline that is custom-built for the blogosphere.
Why it hasn't, even though elements of the story have been out in the public since as far back as April, is curious. But then, maybe it just needs that one source to put it all together and make a nice streamlined story to link to.
But with such an obvious next step sitting out there, and an open-minded communication outlet that would have the interest and the lack of restrictions to readily accept it, it strikes me how some people still prefer that such a story is held onto like a precious jewel and wait for the rest of the world to seek it out.
My Conspiracy Theory is still holding strong for me (Track Palin + Mercedes Johnston). Sherry Johnston in People talking about a baby looking like Levi; yes, I also thought Sherry meant Trig not Tripp. Of course Sherry would be at Trig’s birth if Mercedes was the birthmother of Trig. Also I don’t think it was stated anywhere “concretely” that Bristol was in school in Anchorage or for that matter living at an aunt’s house. Also too ;) Mercedes would have to be away doing “something” during the official hospital announcement, wouldn’t want the “real” birthmother of Trig being present. And Bristol would not be in any of the “partying” MySpace pages of Mercedes, Bristol was pregnant with Tripp. Bristol seems like she is very caring so I don’t believe that she would be drinking during pregnancy. I believe that SP just wants us all to believe if there is a “Who’s Trig’s Real Mother?” we should all believe it to be Bristol. That’s messed up in my opinion! I think the reason that SP can’t stand this website and blog still talking about it is that if we believe that it is Bristol sometime in the future there will be a tearful “I did it too protect my daughter”. But let’s say that my conspiracy theory is correct: SP losses big time with the base because she used a DS baby who’s father “TRACK” was an adult and should have handled it himself and the real meaning of Track going into the military would also be a “ruse” that would be exposed. SP would be finished politically because of “fraud” on a whole bunch of levels.
Morgan,
If the factors I referenced as possible influencers to pregnancy weight gain are not backed by any medical studies or opinion, then I apologize.
It certainly make inuitive sense to some degree. At least to me!
Whether that very entertaining MySpace entry was really written by Mercede or was created by somebody else trying to confirm the existence of a lil' Tripp, I have to ask: Did anybody else get the impression that the reference to "my nefu" might have been about Trig? I read the thing several times and still have that feeling that, based on her language in the Triggy Bear entry, she would have been more likely say "my NOO nefu' (sorry, couldn't resist) or some such if she was referring to the invisible baby Tripp. Just had to say it. Call me crazy. I can take it. :-)
"If the factors I referenced as possible influencers to pregnancy weight gain are not backed by any medical studies or opinion, then I apologize. "
Good Lord, Craig. Why do I feel like if I told you the sun was hot you'd tell me you need an astronomer to verify it?
Be very suspicious of the Mercedes My Space entry. The spelling mistakes are too exaggerated and almost certainly done purposely. Never in 10 years of taking part on internet forums have I seen it that bad.
We don't want to let ourselves be setup by accepting stuff like that without some form of proof.
Exactly Don G., and I think this has "set up" written all over it.
Re: the MySpace post found by Gawker
I have been waiting until someone else brought it up in case people were looking around MySpace but since it’s out there here goes:
I believe that is Sadie’s post. She and MW are proven friends via other MySpace comments. I have known about the link between these two people for over a month. (MW posted a comment about “the new addition to the family” on SJ’s page on Sept 1, 2008)
I think her comment says a lot about what is going on in the family. It confirms, I think, that the families are not close. They are not friends!! There is no reference to a past relationship that is gone bad, just hard feelings all around. (Quite natural I would think)
My first thought also was that she is referring to Trig and not Trip but no way to know for sure.
I am also wondering if she knows that her comment will be picked up….is she ready to spill the beans?
In regards to SJ mere’s financial circumstances, someone posted a while back about how the daughter is sure a traveling thing. Here are more expenses on a woman who has to have a public defender. Not to sound judgmental but I wouldn’t let my just turned 18 yo daughter travel across the country with her 18 yo boyfriend. Are these two kids going alone? Can SJ mere leave Alaska to go to Florida?
I have more but I don’t want to make this too long.
That Sarah Palin was very irresponsible about her pregnancy and baby is clear with her trip to and from Texas. Whether she leaked amniotic fluid and was in labor while she was making her way back to Alaska is questionable. She may have leaked urine, had some contractions that were false labor and foolishly played that up to make her appear like a strong, purposeful career woman who was not going to let pregnancy and childbirth get in the way of her job. She did not expect the backlash she got from her tall tale.
I was suspicious about Bristol's absence in the latter months of SP pregnancy also. However, if Tripp does exist and was indeed born when it is claimed he was, it's clear that she was not the mom. I think that photos of him are not yet out because they are literally banking on them. I understand that PEOPLE magazine has offered quite a bit for the first photos of Tripp. A nice windfall for Bristol and Levi. But y'know, there is no 100% proof or proof at all that there is a Tripp or if a baby that shows up in the next month or so was Bristol's and/or was born in December.
But as far as SP's pictures go, there is no way one can come to a definite conclusion as to whether she was pregnant in them or not. Some women (myself included) really do not show. I hid one of my pregnacy right to the last week. 9 months. I am a lot shorter that SP. I wore big jackets, loose dresses and fancy scarves as she did. Also they have some belly bands and girdles that can hide a lot. Especially if you are disciplined about weight gain and posture.
ANDREW,
thanks for your post regarding why the MSM is ignoring/neglecting the SP-HOAX story: i don't think i've heard a better rationale.
that also explains why the establishment media has an aversion to other serious matters.
the whole BUSH presidency was enabled by the press failing to pursue the 'deviant' clues.
the 9/11-truthers had to take that whole issue unto themselves since he MSM wouldn't touch it either, for the very same reason you bring up.
Don G,
That's just some texting lingo.
Have you seen her other messages?
The statement "over the moon...this happy healthy baby" caught my attention. Is it possible we haven't seen Tripp (or Bristol) because Tripp isn't healthy?
If there is a Tripp, I hope this wouldn't be the case and that he is well.
I went to some parties when I was a teenager. So I can say that I’ve walked that mile in their shoes on the subject. There is usually always an adult or two; for the buying of the items and the “supervising”. Most the time all the teenagers’ parents aren’t aware that the partying is going on at a house; usually parents only find out after an “event” of some kind. At these events, some of the teenagers drink, some of the teenagers do drugs, some of the teenagers have sex, and some of the teenagers do a combination or all of the items. I am a middle kid and I did a lot of looking out for my siblings so lots of times I would just sit around and wait for them to get done with whatever, then I would drive them home and answer the questions if our parents had any. There are a whole lot of things that go on and if you haven’t been to an underage party, you might not know about all the “wilds” that go on. Most of the time, people just don’t say anything because they don’t want to get in trouble with parents, cops, etc. I know that it is a little bit off subject but think about it, why would any of the teenagers come forward even if they “suspected” anything? They would not want to get in trouble so they are going to spill the beans. And probably not very many parents knew what was really going on at the Johnston’s house; parents are usually the last to know unless something happens that can’t be hidden. That is usually when the cover-ups and lies start. Some teenagers learn from their mistakes and go onto lead the life that they want to lead. While others continue doing the same thing over and over and over again, until they are caught once again and the cover-ups continue.
Audrey, you were linked on Gawker!
http://gawker.com/5133740/the-hillbillies-of-wasilla-saga-continues
If you follow the link attached to the phrase "has been the source of other fun Palin family revelations" in the third paragraph of the article, it takes you right to palindeception.com. Congratulations.
Okay, where is Tripp?
I mean... give me a break. The baby was supposed to be due in EARLY December 2009, in order to put the lie to Bristol being preggers with Trig.
YET. The touted due date switched from 12-18 to 12-25 to apparently, 12-27.
But we have not seen the baby yet. We have not seen Bristol yet. We are only supposed to believe a 3rd hand report from Bristol's great-aunt, who got the info from Bristol's maternal grandfather?
I'm waiting. Tick tock, tick tock.
There are a whole lot of parents who look after their children with tender loving care but there are also equally if not more parents that just don’t have a clue. These parents are being lied to and not checking to see if the kids are telling the truth. A lot of parents have no clue about all this texting, e-mailing, social networking, etc, they are just too busy or some just don’t care. It is sad but it is true. I am the “mean” mom and I am proud to wear that badge because “if” something happens to one of my children, I will know where to lay the blame: ON MYSELF! I don’t want to be one of the people that say “oh I didn’t know”. I’ll get off my soapbox now!
Dear friends, Audrey and all,
If we anywhere have gotten close to the truth, please be sure that one or three cleverly disguised posters will be on here in an attempt to dissuade us from a fruitful line of inquiry.
Believe NOTHING that you read, here or elsewhere.
Do your own research, come to your own conclusions.
Have a care when a poster repeatedly, persistently, posits innocent explanations to bothersome questions, where we cannot find any evidence.
May our combined search and shared interest finally unmask Governor Snowflake.
Am I the only one who found Omo's post annoying? You are insinuating something, but I have no idea what. You say it doesn't take rocket science to figure out, well, sorry, I guess I'm not that bright.
and,
"I have worked in perinatal medicine and seen many pregnant women. The thin ones are the LEAST likely to be able to hide a pregnancy."
And that obviously makes sense once you think about it.
The OB-Gyn nurse poster at Celtic Diva complains that the recklessness of the wild ride is being ignored, but that most certainly isn't so. We have discussed it much, but I must make my point for the 4th time that hoping for a dead baby cannot explain it, as the life-threatening danger is far too great for Sarah, plus unbelievable levels of discomfort. Give birth publicly to a baby who dies on a plane??
I am suspecting that the proponents of several long-winded and tedious theories are throwing them out as decoys to distract us.
Don G & Morgan,
Plus, as someone mentioned earlier today, Melissa Wilfong's MySpace home page says she is 40 years old. Compare her home page with the photo next to the alleged note from Mercede and things fall apart.
I read somewhere I think Progressive Alaska's blog that SP is going to be on Glenn Beck's show on Monday via satellite. How much do you want to bet that she is going to drop some kind of bombshell in order to get people to talk about her on Inauguration Day. McCain did the same thing after Obama's wonderful convention speech when he announced her as his VP pick.
This one is interesting!
http://barelypolitical.com/blog/765/tripp-palin.html
"I typed my message to Sarah Palin (it was about that Wikipedia page for Emmonak, Alaska -- I suggested she take a look at it). I got a message saying my e-mail was accepted."
More than I got, but then I told her to get off her couture a** and think about somebody else for a change. Maybe it was ill-received.
"the only reason we haven't seen pictures yet is because the Palins aren't going to give away for free pictures when they could earn a buck on them"
They better hurry, then. SP's fifteen minutes are up and she's in overtime. Pretty soon nobody will care.
"I do believe that pregnancies do not follow a set pattern of size and weight at various markers prior to delivery."
Weight, no; uterine development, yes. They pretty much know where the uterine fundus should be at each stage of pregnancy, which is why it's one of the things regularly checked at prenatal visits. And a thin woman isn't going to be able to hide a developing uterus the way a heavy woman can. There's simply not enough belly surrounding the uterus to camouflage it- which is why Sarah's story of not gaining a lot of weight makes no sense. If the baby is there, so will the uterus and placenta. You may be skinny with a big belly, but the belly will be there. Extremely visible.
The fake pregnancy thing does explain why she seemed to enjoy announcing this as the easiest of her pregnancies.
FishEye, I thought the same thing, that Mercede(s) was referring to Trig.
If that is/was Mercede(s)!
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Don G., the spelling mistakes on a MySpace page are presumably "text-message-speak".
Disclaimer: I not only haven't learned to text message, I barely know how to turn on my cellphone or take a picture with it (see my pic here)! However, my nephew (or nefu, as you will) text-messages his mother every day, and his fingers move over that tiny keyboard like lightning.
One might guess that kids that age use that kind of shorthand in other formats, too, especially in a highly personalized MySpace page.
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Disclaimer #2: I'm keeping an open mind about whether or not it's a setup. It's certainly not going to cause me to careen off in a new direction.
All this talk about how the MSM and main-stream blogosphere has "ignored" the story seems wrong to me. (Andrew Sullivan's blog is huge, for heaven's sake!)
The MSM, such as the New York Times, or the ADN (and many publications in between) have done all they can do at this point which is: report the perceptions and rumors -- the disbelief that met Sarah's pregnancy announcement in Alaska, and the continuing controversy, expressed on this blog, and elsewhere.
I find it hard to read the New York Times article on Sarah Palin's "pregnancy" -- how Sarah's pregnancy announcement was met with widespread disbelief in Alaska, and how Sarah, in her own words, was "only pregnant for a month" -- without thinking that no one at the NYT believed Palin's story any more than we do.
But at that point (pre-election), what was the NYT to do? Go with suspicions that could only be proven or disproven by a DNA analysis, or by putting a lot of people under oath? Did they want to end up looking like the evil NYT beating up on poor Sarah Palin and eliciting a sympathy backlash? Of course not.
So instead they report Sarah's preposterous account, in her own words, with a wink and a semi-straight face, in a way that any thinking person could decipher.
This way they were not left open to the charge of disputing Sarah's word for political reasons, and they avoided putting themselves in the path of a possible Rovian sting (think: Dan Rather and the Bush military service debacle -- the story turned out to be correct but based on a false document, probably fed to CBS by Rove's operatives, leading to Rather's downfall).
I know several people in the MSM and the quasi-(blogosphere)-MSM and have discussed the issue with them at some length. Dan Rather and Rove were very much on their minds.
They have the same suspicions as most of the posters here, but absent irrefutable evidence (which we've all admitted is not there yet) they are not ready to call Sarah a liar -- however much they may insinuate it.
Many of them also felt it was unnecessary to go after her on this point since she was self-destructing so perfectly without their help.
I also had one informant tell me that her Internet group had much more incriminating info on Sarah (that is, more incriminating than the Trig story!) -- but why bother pursuing the leads, given the polls showing Americans were rejecting Palin based on what she herself was showing them.
I think the McCain people know something dire, for sure, and I'm heartened by the fact that even fellow theocon Mike Huckabee seems to be backing away.
My advice to this group: keep at it! The MSM is not asleep here, they are biding their time, as we are, and although they have bigger fish to fry at the moment, they would be happy to have us keep the pot boiling.
Morgan,
I was assuming by your very strong reaction to my comment about pregnancy weight influencers that they were unsupported medically, not that I wanted you to prove it to me.
That's the problem with written exchanges sometimes. The meaning gets misread.
Sorry CasaCalvo - Mercede's home page was the only page I didn't have open when her site went private. Though I had seen it, I no longer had it to save.
Sorry SC - but the 13 pages of Mercede's photos completely disprove your theory about her having a baby with Track. She went to two proms around the time of the birth in very revealing dresses, plus plenty of other photos.
So Craig, if I were to become a A-list blogger, then your argument would be refuted, correct?
The point of A-list bloggers is that they have reputations to protect because they don't blog anonymously. If they report on something that their sponsors won't like, they will face consequences they they won't like.
This is not a big story because there is no definitive proof one way or the other. You can rest assured that if there is ever a break in the story, they will blog about and MSM will be all over it. Many will claim that they were on it all along.
Further, nobody in MSM or the blogging world knows anything definitive, so what would they write about? How people are speculating?
Andrew Sullivan got no traction with his efforts, so you can't expect people with other interests to pick up a story that nobody is following.
I may have posted this some time back, but I'm not that impressed by MSM or A-list bloggers' credentials. They aren't smarter, more capable, or better journalists than we are. They simply do it as a career and they have connections in the business. I don't take my lead from them.
It is possible to likely that some of those parties are checking this blog EVERY DAY. Just like me, they are waiting for any new piece of verifiable information that might break the story. When that happens, they will swoop in and try to claim the scoop. You can bank on it.
Dangerous
ann S- your remark re: Palin wearing frumpy clothes during her "pregnancy" is not just fluff. If she had worn nice modern preggo clothes, her co-workers would have noticed the new duds and paid more attention to her physical being
AND her couch pillow belly, and the jig would have been up. By wearing the old dark oversized, bag lady outfits with scarves, nobody paid attention. One would have to stare long and hard at that area of swinging, swirling
scarves and flapping coat to really analyze the belly area and nobody was going to stare that long else they would have appeared gawking.
T in Canada- A person after my own! Remember, most people didn't question Bush lies taking us to the war. I knew it was a lie from the start. Same with the housing market- economists were saying years ago that they didn't see a
downside to skyrocketing house prices. I didn't buy that either. I knew there would be a crash. So, I am not surprised that people just bought into Palin's diversion of Bristol being a convenient 5 months pregnant during the RNC. Those of us on this blog aren't psychic, (at least I'm not), but we know a cockamamie con story when we hear
it.
To those wondering about the closeness of the Palin/Johnston families, Around the end of the year when SP was freaking out about school dropouts, I believe that I read that SP had written a letter as Governor on Levi's behalf (for the slope job) where she said that the families had know each other for years. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I don't think she planned on wearing the fake preggo suit for long because it would be too hard/uncomfortable to maintain for months on end. Just think, folks, if you had to stuff sofa cushions into your clothes every day for
the next 6 months then go to work.
SpecialMom- said: "Now just maybe Trig, the crucial campaign prop for Sarah, was providentially delivered to her by Bristol -- and the circumstantial evidence is indeed strong.
But maybe, just maybe, the "insiders" who seem to feel they are on "a mission from God" could have had a hand in it."
This is interesting. Most of our comments concerning Palin and Trig use the word "prop" to describe the relationship. Is there something more going on in our collective unconscious for us to glom on to that particular word? That is, maybe he WAS inserted by parties not biologically related to Palin for political purposes only. Think AIP strategy, Palin Church strategy (and subsequent FIRE), Repug strategy. After all, it is quite the coincidence that Trig with purported DS shows up at exactly the right time for Palin's hungry neocon base. She was in great need of a special needs child and voila! Trig appears. Even the pictures of Trig- sometimes it seems as if I'm seeing two different kids. He seemed really big during the campaign, yet extremely small just 4 months earlier at the baby shower- then small again in the Christmas card picture?
This would not preclude Bristol from giving birth to someone last winter, but with this theory, not Trig.
I suppose this sounds "out there", but something about this relationship, like the Gusty photos, just doesn't feel right....
sc, Mercedes looks way too skinny holding Triggy Bear and in her prom dress to be Trig's mom.
Amy1, have you considered adding a fourth picture, to start your sequence with the Vogue cover taken in December at 4-5 mos. pregnant? After seeing that photo again, I may take back everything I've said about Palin wanting to be taken seriously in her job.
SP faked the whole thing so of course she had to have a tale to back-up the April fake baby. All designed to make her look like SuperWoman
***Don G. said...
Be very suspicious of the Mercedes My Space entry. The spelling mistakes are too exaggerated and almost certainly done purposely. Never in 10 years of taking part on internet forums have I seen it that bad.
We don't want to let ourselves be setup by accepting stuff like that without some form of proof.***
I posted it, not as gospel but because I found it interesting. "Mercede" is posting on Mellissa Wilfong's myspace, and per that Gawker entry, Mellissa identified herself back in September on a Fox blog as a former Wasilla resident whose sons went to school with "Bristal" (her spelling; must be in the water in that town!!). So Wilfong says she knows the Palins; I'm sure she knows the Johnstons as well since they all seem to have children the same age. I'm not convinced this is the real Mercedes ( I DO believe her spelling and texty abbreviated words could be that bad, though), but after her last myspace page disappeared, I wanted to make sure people had the chance to see this one, whatever it is, before it goes away.
I'm not sure what kind of 'setup' this could be, nor do I think it could be 'proven' to be Mercedes' page.
One more thing: here's a link to a picture of Mellissa's son from her album. I think the girl with him looks very familiar...
http://tinyurl.com/87r92j
(if that doesn't work: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=68570991&albumID=911609&imageID=3256737)
To the people who are doubting the latest MySpace entry:
Can I ask you - are you questioning the content of the comment or if it really was SJ that sent the comment?
I stated earlier that I believe that it is from SJ's MySpace but I think the comment is very interesting.
If it is truly how she feels and she didn't know that people are watching then her comment about SP is telling.
If she knew she was being watched (if I knew about MW then it couldn't have been too secret) and wrote her true feelings then her comment is also telling. In a different way.
If she knew she was being watched and wants to mess with the people watching - well what she chose to pretend to reveal to us is well.....also telling. MW's mood on her MySpace is "amused".
In any of these cases what she said dismisses a lot of the friendship talk and most importantly, if there is a secret the Johnston women know they sure don't have a reason to keep silent. They have every reason to sing.
Someone mentioned the letter SP wrote for LJ stating the family knew each other. I think she was simply making the letter/the boy sound good. The letter was important for the letterhead and the signature - the content was not important.
CasaCalvo,
My suspicion about the comment is the timing. Sarah wants very much to perpetuate the illusion or myth of Tripp's existence.
Mercedes' mom is in substantial legal trouble, and I can clearly envision a scenario where someone would tell her that if she alludes to the existence of a baby in a comment to Wifong's public page it might help her mother in the long run.
Then all it would take would be for someone to feed this "new information" to whatever blogger is willing to post it.
Several folks here suggested she might have been talking about Trig, though, when referring to her "nefu" and that is another possibility.
But I tend to think this was a hoax meant to provide more "proof" of Tripp's existence. Something about it just doesn't feel right to me.
There are no verified dates on any of those pictures on Mercedes MySpace pages. If it was “no big deal” then why get them off of the internet so fast? Being too skinny proves nothing either esp. if Trig was born earlier; I lost all my “baby weight” within 2 weeks after having both my children. I do want to consider all aspects of this deception because SP in my opinion was not pregnant so someone else was. The Bristol is Trig’s mother has been researched thoroughly, Dangerous has the Willow theory, Sherry Johnston (definitely not ruling her out) has been discussed, if Mercedes isn’t the mother then I would like “concrete” proof that she couldn’t have been. It is my opinion that Trig’s mother is NOT a Palin woman. I will gladly say okay I was wrong, if I’m wrong!
Morgan,
Thank you for answering my post so early on Sunday morning!
Can I ask you if you think the hoax is the comment (it is not actually SJ) or the contents of the comment (she only said those things because she knew "we" would see it and talk about it)?
Also too ;) if I were SP I’d want the “real” mother out there looking good for all to see after the announcement of little Triggy Bear! My last job was in a department that you “see” and “hear” a whole lot of things. I try not to rule out anything until there is concrete proof to rule it out! I like to use the 5 W’s (who, what, where, when & why).
I’m sure Audrey and Morgan have full time jobs just trying to decipher all the information from all the different directions that are coming at them. I would like to say thank you for all your work and the truth will come out about SP. Wish that SP would learn that THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!
The Palin and Johnston families will be forever linked together in Americas eyes because SP announced the “Tripp” pregnancy to America with Levi and Bristol together. SP probably doesn’t want to be linked with the Johnston family but the truth is “if” Levi Johnston is Tripp’s father then there you have it, linked whether you like it or not. If SP didn’t want to be linked to the Johnston family then she could have just said, “Our precious and darling daughter Bristol is pregnant and we hope that everyone will respect her privacy”. That simple, I imagine only a few percent of the population would even care about it and we would have left Bristol alone regarding Trig. I personally hope that Bristol is making her own decisions in regards to her life and living with her grandparents.
as to LEE's assertions at Celtic Diva's blog:
the reason she gives as to why we're wrong: the nurses, doctors, and personnel at the hospital would not participate in such a deceit.
i wonder if she has taken into consideration that there is a strong connection between that hospital and SP's church. am i wrong on this?
IMO: that THEIR HOMETOWN GIRL was now THE governor, and that the 'white lie' was being done for an 'altruistic' reason would have persuaded the few of them to participate.
And like no doctor has ever defrauded Medicare...They are not saints.
*** wayofpeace said...
as to LEE's assertions at Celtic Diva's blog:
the reason she gives as to why we're wrong: the nurses, doctors, and personnel at the hospital would not participate in such a deceit.
i wonder if she has taken into consideration that there is a strong connection between that hospital and SP's church. am i wrong on this?
IMO: that THEIR HOMETOWN GIRL was now THE governor, and that the 'white lie' was being done for an 'altruistic' reason would have persuaded the few of them to participate.***
I agree that a medical professional might give a little "PC" (professional courtesy) to the people who essentially provide their funding. And I'm not seeing any huge apparent lies in anything from the hospital; their statements have been more passive-voice avoidance techniques (SP was admitted; a child was born rather than SP gave birth to a child).
And remember, just a few weeks ago when John Travolta's son died, the first reports said he'd banged his head during a seizure, but medical professionals released the cause of death as a 'seizure disorder' with no evidence that he'd banged his head - despite many other medical pros saying this was very unlikely. Omission rather than outright lying is a good way for the meds to stay honest on a technicality.
I think the connection between SP's church and the hospital is hugely important. And I think enough pressure on the doctor (how could she allow SP to fly in her condition???) from the outside may cause her to pull a Gusty and attempt to clear her good name.
To B: What are we supposed to be “seeing” on the Vogue Cover? The one picture is fake, funny but fake! That’s probably the one SP likes! I’m game so what are we supposed to see in the "real" airplane one? The fact it doesn’t look like her? That it could be let’s say, one of her sisters?
To NY Chick: I whole heartedly agree about the church connection. Those types of churches want control over everything; if they are part of a school, hospital, etc they want complete control and nothing will stop them. The pastor usually is super power hungry. If he says it; it will be done. If any one of the members dares to “step out of line” then there is hell to pay so to speak. That type of situation is going on with one of our friends in our town; big legal battle coming. We told them to stop going to that church before you become brain washed like the rest of the minions, but what do I know? I’m not a member of SP’s church; I probably don’t know what I’m talking about.
WHOA!
CELTIC DIVA's nurse-post has been tagged by BUZZFLASH, one of the most liberal websites.
About the Sadie J Myspace comment:
I'm hopeful it's true. Sarah has to keep folks away (by any means necessary) because there is no "nefu #2" yet.
A man had a brilliant remark yesterday: the hoax of the fake pregnancy only took 6 public weeks.
In some ways, faking a pregnancy is easier than faking a new baby. You can "show" pregnant. But how to show "no baby?"
Now, I can see certain folks being clued into one fraud and keeping quiet, but two? Wouldn't you begin to suspect the sanity of the defrauder?
Nope. I'm hopeful that Sadie is coming unmuzzled. And if nothing more, and if Sarah did arrange this "leak," it's just more unsavoriness pointing her way. Gawker's a pretty big arena. (Just check out all the traffic heading here from there.)
The more lies the more chance of it all unraveling. . .
sc, my bad. I forgot it was fake.
Thank you for moderating, Morgan.
I didn't intend for my interest in the mental health of SP to steer the thread that way. We all are aware that SP has some issues - I am fascinated by how obvious those seem to me, but will keep it to myself and stay with the topic at hand. You are busy enough reading not only for your own interest, but also to determine what gets posted and what doesn't, and I know you read every single post to make those decisions. That is dedication to this cause, and I respect and appreciate that.
Thank you for keeping *me* in line, as well as others from swinging wildly from the original post after almost 500 comments. And for doing such a great job keeping it all together and maintaining the true focus of this investigation (can we call it that?), which is to determine why SP would have such a strange and unexplainable pregnancy and birth, if she really was indeed pregnant with Trig.
And if she was not, to prove this fact and determine why she would perpetrate such a ruse on the American people.
The Alaska birth certificate graphic is quite sweet. I'm sure it's something they change every year, or few years. I'd think the birth certificates would probably differ for each child, making each one unique. I'm surprised a mom wouldn't be proud to show this off, it's pretty, creative, distinctive... a great display of my pride in my motherhood, my children and my state, I would feel.
I'd be happy to frame this and point it out in my nursery for anyone who doubted my maternity, in other words. That it's so aesthetically pleasing would make it a conversation piece I'd love to talk about. Is it a local Inuit artist that did the graphic? I'd try to find that out if that was my BC for my baby.
I'm serious when I say that's a very cool legal document. They definitely aren't typically so colourful and interesting.
I have to agree with Audrey and others here who believe we haven't seen a BC for Trig because the date is something other than April 18th, 2008. I also think it's because of the mother's name on it - I think that name has yet to be changed to Sarah Palin. I think there is a BC for Trig, though.
I don't think there is a BC for Tripp, because I still don't know if there is a Tripp. I'm not joking, and I know I'm not alone. I've not often wondered if politicians or celebrities really didn't have babies when it was announced that they had. And I don't remember ever thinking "I'll believe it, if and when I see photos" about any public figure's pregnancy. Even when Michael Jackson had kids, as unbelievable as it was, I didn't think it wasn't true.
So what about this makes me, and so many others here, just shake our heads and expect proof before we believe it? Well, with all of the half-stories and unbelievable details and photographic non-evidence of shape-shifting bellies and refusal to answer questions, we do need proof. All of her statements about the pregnancy and birth were bullsh**, did not pass the sniff test for bullsh**.
And what kind of proof is reasonable to expect, given that SP is no longer a VP not-so-hopeful? She's still the Alaska governor; she still has her eye on 2012.
If anyone is to take her seriously, she has to come up with a birth certificate, or a whole new batch of lies and distractions. Which is why I don't believe much of the recent information. She expects people to drop the topic she doesn't like and move on - I've heard that before. Mostly from people who are really uncomfortable with a subject.
I think she really believes that, since she has decided she wants the issue to go away, it will.
She's wrong again.
I think as a mother, she'd WANT to produce a BC to a prying public. If I had a choice between offering up an oddly attractive document proving my parentage, or offering up my daughter's private (well, it was made public with the assumption that it would then be a private matter. Until the baby was born and it could be made public again. But private to certain news outlets.
Wait - what??) life-changing event, I would stop the rumours that bothered me with a quick release of Trig's BC rather than CREATE ANOTHER RUMOUR to distract people!
She is so incensed at the questions, she thinks getting mad about them absolves her from answering them? Yes, she does... because so far, it's working.
This is the tactic of a sullen teenager, or a pissy girlfriend.
I wish the MSM would pursue it. The ADN absolutely wants no part of it, it seems. I am happy that Audrey, Morgan, and the rest of you (and us) are pursuing it... if that's what this mission is. If our goal is simply TRUTH. I would like to watch it come out.
What kind of governor writes to the editor of their local newspaper, implies that they printed mistakes, doesn't offer any clarification or correction, and when offered these along with an apology, doesn't respond with any clarifications or corrections? Then - appears in People Magazine in an article about her new grandson that has NO PICTURES of the baby??
It makes me wonder sometimes who is really taking the Oxycontin. People who surround her and deal with her must be awfully captivated or in her debt somehow to fall in line with her plans. They just seem so ill-conceived that you wonder who you'd have to become to just accept everything she says and does as normal. She is all smoke and mirrors.
She clearly only wrote to the ADN to threaten and coerce. It's very plain. And the ADN clearly has no choice but to comply and concede, or they would have done something else.
Producing a BC for Trig would be much easier than trying to smear anyone asking her to do so, right? But she automatically expresses indignation at being asked. Her not-so-creative way of saying "I don't like these questions because I don't want to, or can't, answer them" has now become "nobody has the right to ask this of me, so I have the RIGHT to refuse to answer".
She has rights, but nobody else does. The rules apply to everyone but her in her mind.
She didn't HAVE to announce Bristol's pregnancy, and she really didn't have the right to. I think she did it because it was her way of making up for not being able to "announce" it before Trig was born and to cover the bases for Trig's birth re: timelines (5 mo. Trig, 4 mo. pregnant).
SP punished Bristol for having to fake the Trig pregnancy, which was SP's idea in the first place, by announcing the Tripp pregnancy instead of showing us a BC for Trig.
And now seems to be using a new Tripp birth timeline to keep the deception on an obvious path of assumed continuity. Again, with no BC for Tripp.
And not even a photo?
Regardless - she is still refusing to even answer the questions. She's at least admitting THAT, even if she can't do it without insulting the people interested in asking. But she's saying she shouldn't have to show a BC. Has she said why she won't, though? Other than "these questions are ridiculous so I shouldn't have to"?
Shouldn't Sarah be very willing to PROVE how ridiculous these rumours are? Doesn't she WANT to do that, since anonymous bloggers talk so much ridiculous crap about her? No doubt she's been on this blog - she knows the BC is a big piece of the puzzle, so wouldn't she just LOVE to show us all this BC to prove her rightness?
One would think. Instead, she steered the discourse to one photo, and pretended to "debunk" it and say "there, pregnant, case closed". Without mentioning that this picture previously had very mysterious origins, and was only thrown on the web to "prove" her pregnancy anyway. All AG said was that they were hers, they were not photoshopped, not that they were not altered. Didn't explain the missing spot on the floor behind SP's leg.
But, see the obvious? Big belly means pregnant. No birth certificate needed. Case closed.
No, case is not closed. Case is locked with a hundred number combination that slips further to the bottom of the pile of distractions that have been tossed around since Dec. 2007.
SP knows the BC is the most evidential piece she can provide, this is why she isn't offering it, and why she's trying to distract from this site and these questions asking for it.
There isn't one, or it contains information she has lied about.
Very pretty proof that Trig is yours, Sarah - the brightly coloured Native and her swaddling child, all pink-cheeked. Why would you not be proud to show us the birth certificate that says Trig is your born and bred Alaskan baby?
NYTabloidChick: The long-form link you gave @10:58pm Jan17 has been removed and made private. Your tinyurl was still working, though, at least within the last 10 minutes. And. hey, Sadie: Cute picture.
I must say, I'm looking forward to picking apart the Glenn Beck interview with SWWNBN. Or will she cancel at the last minute because she suddenly has to make a photo op/help her rural population?
Perhaps he can ask her what she is doing ignoring the Alaskans in the hinterlands that are suffering from cold and hunger, and why she has not seen fit to replace her rural affairs advisor, who resigned in OCTOBER. Let me guess; why bother, because, whatever advice is given is just ignored anyway?
Interestingly, Mr. Monegan, he-who-was-famously fired, is being talked up (glowingly) in Mudflats, and I also noticed that Rhonda McBride, the resignee noted above, in her letter explaining her resignation to the Alaskan Native Federation, also thanked Walt Monegan, who had at that point already been fired, for his advice.
Too bad Ms. Queen got rid of someone who was undoubtedly WAAAAY smarter than her. Methinks exactly for that reason.
On this blog's topic, though, uh, IF the "Mercede" post is genuine, it doesn't prove that there's a new "nefu" at all; my take on it (if true) is that it tends to show that Bristol and Levi and being held hostage in the Palin home!! (I'm only half-joking, too, kinda like SP in her DNA remark)
And yeah, to the poster who showed the link to the son of the lady who "Mercede" wrote (allegedly), yeah, that really looks like Sadie J to me, too.
"I've not often wondered if politicians or celebrities really didn't have babies when it was announced that they had."
Personally I think that Suri Cruise was born earlier than TC claims (I think he didn't want everyone to know that Katie had been "basted" so early in their relationship.) There were a lot of sites with pictures like the ones we've seen of SP, with Katie's "baby bump" moving back and forth. But eventually the talk dies down. I assume that eventually that will happen for Trig and Tripp, but only if SP stops trying to discredit the rumors and just lets them die. And I'm not sure she's the kind of person who can do that.
Thanks for another eloquent and persuasive post, T in Canada - sure wish SP would pay attention to your line of reasoning, but that's apparently too much to expect!
B, good idea, thanks, I'll add the Vogue cover. And fix the Apr 18-->13 (thanks, Sandra). But a little later, I want to keep the same URL for awhile.
What are the odds, SpecialMom! Re the Hellman issue. It was a big shock to me. I'm so gullible -- I guess that's why the SP lying offends me so much. Hard to tell where lying starts/ends and lack of knowledge begins/end, when I watch the early interview SP videos.
Thx for your answer, Craig.
Alex, you are right about no one touching the Madoff story even though it was plain to see earlier. And ditto Edwards. So we need that one last piece, and time will help us.
And we all need a break anyway, to celebrate the Sully/US Air landing and the inauguration. To remind us that there's a lot of good, still.
To B: No problem; I like all the theories. I just thought you were trying to tell us that it was Molly in those Vogue pictures by the plane. And to get the photo sleuths doing their thing to make the picture show the abdomen. Also too ;) I saw on ADN that Troopergate isn’t going away. Maybe that was the bigger fish to fry that BlueTX was talking about. Personally I think she should worry about the crisis going on in her own state! Keep up the pressure.
WHERE IS TRIPP?
WHERE IS BRISTOL?
WHERE ARE ANY CORROBORATING PICS?
Tripp by now is three weeks old - IF we take the 12/27 birthdate by its facevalue. Has anyone seen Bristol leaving the house with a bundle to go to post-natal care? There should have been a couple of well-baby checks by now.
The longer they wait with showing pictures (proud grandparents the Palins are! (NOT!!!) ), the more likely the pics are fake.
Again:
WHERE IS TRIPP?
WHERE IS BRISTOL?
SJ's comments about seeing the grandbaby and bawling: I also thought she talked about Trig, not Tripp.
If Mercede has no access to the new baby, but had it to the first one (Trig).... weird. You would think Levi, her brother, would at least show her some pics once in a while.
John Edwards knew when it was time for him to withdraw from the race due to his personal circumstances.
Amy1, my bad, Vogue is fake. Don't add to your photos!
To BlueTX: My question to you is this: Why do you care about the date of the pictures? Funny how you keep coming back for more! Audrey might have an idea, go ahead and e-mail her and if you get an answer you’ll know.
A few things (I’ve been offline for a few days, so sorry if these were discussed, but I didn’t see in my quick review):
Re MJ “nefu” comments. I find it interesting that she would refer to TriggyBear as her baby brother and Trig/Tripp as her nefu. Maybe a diversion, maybe she learned to use correct term given the attention to the earlier baby brother comment. But, I’ve always found the baby brother/mom in law comment weird. I have never heard anyone refer to their sibling’s mother-in-law as their own mother-in-law. I know many have said that it’s not unusual for teenagers to refer to a sibling’s child as their own sibling, but mother-in-law? I’m not buying it.
Re BC and date. Remember Gusty’s recent “news” report with video? She said that the pics/video were taken 4/13 and that baby Trig was born 4 days later. I found that odd at the time, and commented on it. Perhaps it wasn’t a math error on Gusty’s part, but that she was telling the truth—Trig born 4/17. That said, I still find it difficult to believe the baby held by Grandma Health in the hospital is 24 hrs old.
Re CBJ. Under what conditions can a doctor’s decisions be questioned and by whom? Any way to put pressure on her via medical associations, licensing boards, etc?
Re CBJ and delivering Piper. CBJ’s letter says SP was under her care during the time Piper was born. CBJ letter has Piper’s birth year incorrect. Video of SP, TP and Trig when Trig 3 days old has SP referring to number of children CBJ has delivered. She does not say CBJ delivered Piper even though and ADN story on 4/22 says she did, SP doesn’t know how many children CBJ has delivered, and defers to TP who says “thousands”. The sequence in the video was odd, CBJ (not) delivering Piper and birth year, really odd.
Re DS baby conjured up to boost SP appeal to fundamentalist group. Disgusting to think about, but certainly not too extreme for the neocons to think up and pull off, especially given recent evidence that neocons and SP were pushing her for months.
April in Dallas. Why was Todd there? Does he always travel with SP to conferences? Who was watching the kids at home? I’ve never heard reference to any of the kids being with them in Dallas. If flight left around 2:30 (current time Alaska flight leaves for Seattle) and she gave a 30 minute luncheon speech, could she really get on a commercial flight in time? Btw, I’ve seen conflicting statements about their change in flights. Some reports say they did (ADN story about birth for one), others (including bloggers here) say they didn’t. Why? Anyway to know how to find out what time that flight actually left on 4/18?
To the several posters who addressed me on the Mercedes issue: Thanks and I can accept that I may have been wrong with what I said on it being too exaggerated. I could very well be a kind of shorthand used by those who blog. It's not used on internet forums though and that's why I was suspicious. On the other hand, I think it pays to be caustious and beware of setups by the 'enemy's' ;-) team.
To LittleMe: WHERE IS TRIPP? My hope is that he is being cared for by his mother Bristol (hopefully at her grandparents the Heath’s home); either in womb or after his birth. It doesn’t matter to me which it is, I don’t believe a Palin woman gave birth to Trig. I know that the timing of Tripp matters to those who believe that Bristol is the mother of both Trig and Tripp. But I don’t think we will get a clear answer on the date of birth of Tripp unless Bristol herself discloses all of the information to the public (birth certificate, pictures in hospital, hospital band, etc). Because we all know SP uses everything and everybody around her to further her career. I do however believe that Track Palin is the father of Trig.
I'm not good at face recognition from pictures but it does look like what I remember Sadie looks like. One sure way to tell is if someone finds a good picture of Sadie and compares the mole (birthmark, whatever) on her right cheek. Positive id I think.
As to the slang or whatever it was, I said it was purposeful and that would be true if it's a kind of shorthand. But on the other hand, what I remember of the message, there were errors in there which didn't serve a 'shorthand' purpose. I don't know where to find it so I can't comment specifically. Maybe somebody will be interested in looking at it again and linking to it again.
The comments by Mercedes/Mercede/Sadie in the mommy-in-law photos don't seem to have the same kinds of atrocious spelling errors that we see in her comments on Mellissa Wilfong's MySpace page. Granted, both writing samples are probably too small for any definitive conclusion, but are they written by the same person?
Is there any way to search for all the recent comments made from the same MySpace account? It might be possible to determine if Sadie has retained control over her account, or if the Palin clan took things over after she'd posted the photos of Trig.
O/T but curious to me: Wasn't there always a button on the adn website for SP (towards the bottom of their home page)?
Just wondering. I could have sworn there was, but when I just checked, it was completely gone.
"And I think enough pressure on the doctor (how could she allow SP to fly in her condition???) from the outside may cause her to pull a Gusty and attempt to clear her good name."
I'd llike to think so, but really: who tells Sarah Palin what to do? Dr Baldwin-Johnson is on record now as saying she was not asked for permission. It's not her responsibility, legally. And if she had told Sarah not to fly, and Sarah did- what's to prevent Sarah from lying? Remember the one thing we all know about Sarah: she's a liar. The doctor probably knows it as well. So: tell Sarah it's okay to fly, against all medical judgment; tell Sarah not to fly and have her ignore you, later to announce that she had your permission; or keep the conversation into general terms. "In general, we advise against flying in the last part of pregnancy... this, that and the other could happen..." in the hope that Sarah develops a brain and a conscience and gets to a hospital. I'm going with Option C. Especially if it winds up in court.
I see the doctor's role in this as rather a hapless victim. Legally, she can't discuss this publicly. She is the potential victim of gossip, because there are no restrictions on what Sarah Palin will say in an attempt to make herself look good. And if this winds up in court, it's bound to get ugly. I think the doctor is trying to keep herself out of the mud, having gotten herself into it before she realized what a slime pit it would be.
Li'l Me:
You're not imagining things. There was a Palin button on the ADN and as of yesterday it vanished.
Palinized!
***Morgan said...
CasaCalvo,
My suspicion about the comment is the timing. Sarah wants very much to perpetuate the illusion or myth of Tripp's existence.
Mercedes' mom is in substantial legal trouble, and I can clearly envision a scenario where someone would tell her that if she alludes to the existence of a baby in a comment to Wifong's public page it might help her mother in the long run.
Then all it would take would be for someone to feed this "new information" to whatever blogger is willing to post it.***
But if you think SP wanted MJ to post this, I would guess SP would NOT want it known that she considered her 'future in-laws' to be 'white trash'... that's not very Christian of her to hate the sinner! :)
Mercedes had already posted to MW's myspace with the same name, without mentioning nefu.
Gawker is the site that picked it up; it's not a blog, and they've been all over SP since she was announced as VP candidate. Lots of people over there are as suspicious as we are. Actually, I'm MORE convinced that MJ wrote that post than I am that there is a Tripp!
***More Cowbell said...
"I've not often wondered if politicians or celebrities really didn't have babies when it was announced that they had."
Personally I think that Suri Cruise was born earlier than TC claims (I think he didn't want everyone to know that Katie had been "basted" so early in their relationship.) There were a lot of sites with pictures like the ones we've seen of SP, with Katie's "baby bump" moving back and forth. But eventually the talk dies down. I assume that eventually that will happen for Trig and Tripp, but only if SP stops trying to discredit the rumors and just lets them die. And I'm not sure she's the kind of person who can do that.***
You're good! :) And that's the exact case I was referring to when I was talking about baby pix being delayed until the baby's age was hard to gauge. (Slightly off topic: If you really want to see a 'magic bump' check out http://tinyurl.com/fbmmv or
http://forum.purseblog.com/celebrity-section/katie-holmes-bump-timeline-2605.html)
What I'm finding among my friends is that their interest in SP is waning a bit, because they feel like she's back off the national stage. I won't feel safe until there's zero chance she'll rear her head in MY airspace, and I'm linking everyone I know to this blog.
According to Mother Jones, there is quite a flurry of inquiries regarding Governor Sarah Palin's email messages while she has been governor. Apparently she's a very open and popular lady!
Check them out!
http://tinyurl.com/3tffbs
Emma brings up a good point: why was Todd in Dallas with Sarah in April? Who was watching Piper and Willow? Bristol? Not a good idea to go off and leave a rebellious teenager unsupervised for that long. And has anyone actually checked the times to see if they line up? Sarah gives speech. Sarah drives to airport to catch flight. Flight to Seattle, connection to Anchorage to land at 10:30pm? It may all add up. Surely she couldn't get away with fudging her arrival time--many people in the airport would have seen her (trailing amniotic fluid all the way to the gate!)
"But if you think SP wanted MJ to post this, I would guess SP would NOT want it known that she considered her 'future in-laws' to be 'white trash'... that's not very Christian of her to hate the sinner!"
Wow, where to begin with this.
If Sarah was concerned about coming across as a Christian in regards to Sherry in a hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner kind of way then I'd think someone from the family - like, say, her son Levi - would have at least come to court with her.
No, I don't think Sarah would have a bit of a problem with people thinking she and her family see the Johnston's as trash. I'm sure she wants to draw as much of a distinction between the two families as she can, and given the cracks about Wasilla hillbillies I could easily see her being behind what she hopes people will regards Mercedes' impression that the Palins consider themselves above their future in-laws.
And whether it's a blog or a Web site isn't the issue. This was put out - I believe - by someone wo wanted it picked up and spread around with the implied message being twofold: 1.) There is a Tripp and 2.) No we ain't white trash like them Johnstons
Of course, this is just my opinion and your mileage may vary. Which is perfectly fine, too.
Molly wrote:
***On this blog's topic, though, uh, IF the "Mercede" post is genuine, it doesn't prove that there's a new "nefu" at all; my take on it (if true) is that it tends to show that Bristol and Levi and being held hostage in the Palin home!! (I'm only half-joking, too, kinda like SP in her DNA remark)
And yeah, to the poster who showed the link to the son of the lady who "Mercede" wrote (allegedly), yeah, that really looks like Sadie J to me, too.***
I posted the link; I definitely did NOT think this proved that there's a new nefu (and god help me if I really start spelling like that!). I just took it as
(1) Mercedes has cabin fever and has returned to myspace under a variation of her name (missing the final "S")
(2) There's a definite rift between the families
(3) Mama oxycontin was lying when she said Tripp looked just like Levi; I think she was told to say that, and has in fact NOT seen the non-baby.
In fact, now I'm thinking that SP is conveniently using the drug charge to keep the Johnstons at bay, when there really is nothing to see. That's probably part of why she was so annoyed that Levi got sent home from the north slope. She can justify keeping OxyMom away from the non-baby, but not Levi.
I would put money on that picture from Wilfong's myspace being Sadie.
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***Alex, you are right about no one touching the Madoff story even though it was plain to see earlier. And ditto Edwards. So we need that one last piece, and time will help us.
And we all need a break anyway, to celebrate the Sully/US Air landing and the inauguration. To remind us that there's a lot of good, still.***
The Edwards story was out for a LONG time, via tabloid blind items and Enquirer stories. That was a delicate issue, which is why no one in MSM really wanted to come out with it; who wants to be even slightly wrong when you're talking about someone cheating on a wife with terminal cancer? And it's easy for the 'legit' media to pooh-pooh the Enquirer, especially because they pay for info, but on the biggies, like this one, they are often the first ones to break it.
And yes, I am just thrilled for Tuesday, and am still in awe about Sully!
***Morgan said...
"But if you think SP wanted MJ to post this, I would guess SP would NOT want it known that she considered her 'future in-laws' to be 'white trash'... that's not very Christian of her to hate the sinner!"
Wow, where to begin with this.
If Sarah was concerned about coming across as a Christian in regards to Sherry in a hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner kind of way then I'd think someone from the family - like, say, her son Levi - would have at least come to court with her.***
Levi isn't SP's family, and I think SP's Christian charity wouldn't extend as far as having a Palin show up in court. I just think she wouldn't be asking a teenager to post something that makes SP look unkind.
***No, I don't think Sarah would have a bit of a problem with people thinking she and her family see the Johnston's as trash. I'm sure she wants to draw as much of a distinction between the two families as she can, and given the cracks about Wasilla hillbillies I could easily see her being behind what she hopes people will regards Mercedes' impression that the Palins consider themselves above their future in-laws.***
I think SP knows it's too late for that; between the pix of Sadie cradling newborn Triggybear, SP's defense of Levi's slope job, Oxymom's statement about seeing the newborn... SP sure does a lot of pallin' around with trash for anyone to start thinking that she's 'better than they are.'
***And whether it's a blog or a Web site isn't the issue. This was put out - I believe - by someone wo wanted it picked up and spread around with the implied message being twofold: 1.) There is a Tripp and 2.) No we ain't white trash like them Johnstons
Of course, this is just my opinion and your mileage may vary. Which is perfectly fine, too.***
If that WAS the message she wanted out there, I don't think she'd use the name Mercede to get it out. And she'd also have the post use the name Tripp and talk about how adorable he is.
I am also open to the possibility that Sadie's annoyed at having her previous myspace page disappeared by team Sarah, and posted this spiteful message to get back at SP.
I read that the SP altar was taken down from the ADN site as a result of a request by one of the Alaska blog writers. He requested the removal due to the fact that Bob Poe filed for the Governor’s position in the 2010 election and the Sarah shrine showed too much partisanship now that the election season has started.
Here are some links to other Alaska websites that have insight into the Alaska political scene:
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/
http://www.themudflats.net/
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/blog/admin
http://www.divasblueoasis.com/frontPage.do
NY tabloid chick:
Sadie's name is Mercede. No 's'.
There is a chance that Mrs. Johnston has seen the baby. Maybe not in the flesh, but perhaps a picture.
Not aimed at anyone in particular:
Do not underestimate kids and textspeak. I spent four years working in a middle school. Lots of b4, u, bff, y, c, and every other imaginable combination. I don't think I ever picked a note up that didn't have horrendous spelling.
T in Canada, phew that was a long post! 1538 words to be exact. You make some points, but when posts get that long its hard to hang with them. Glad you are here like everyone else, but could you be more direct and concise? Thanks.
An interesting sidenote. Mellissa Wilfong, Sadie's MySpace pal, is not a Sarah fan. Read her comment on this Christian blog back in September. She is a fan of "left-wing bloggers!
The People magazine article said that Bristol and Levi are going through the presents that the public had send them. I think it would have been so much better if they had donated these gifts to families in need.
The Palins have enough money to help Bristol until she or Levi or both are able to support themselves.
I read one Alaskan editorial that said 100,000 gifts had been sent. To keep the gifts is typical of Palin previous behavior. I don't think they have good public relations advisors or they discard their advice. It hurts them in more ways than I can count.
I have to agree with The Dame. If possible, please condense long posts into a few pertinent sentences.
It is not necessary to condense posts into one or two sentences as has been previously suggested, but it is advisable if you have several topics to make each one into a separate comment and strive for brevity to what extent you can.
It makes your points easier to digest if you do.
Catherine,
I'd like to know how much you weighed when you hid your pregnancy into the 9th month, and do you have any pictures?
_______________
I am hearing that Sadie is 18 and that Levi is 18. Are they twins?
***Silver Salmon said...
NY tabloid chick:
Sadie's name is Mercede. No 's'.***
Thanks; I've seen it both ways.
This little tidbit below pretty much seals it:
http://tinyurl.com/932tch
:)
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People said?
I read one Alaskan editorial that said 100,000 gifts had been sent.
What are these unmarried teens gonna do with 100K condoms?
Okay. That seemed to work (signing in from google account). I was trying to respond to onething at 6:32 pm who thought my 'rocket science' comment was 'annoying'. I am sorry. All I meant was that the ONLY reason I can think of for SP to not get checked out in Dallas was because 'there was no there there' i.e. no pregnancy to check out in the first place.
Re: the 'wild ride'. The most amazing thing is that none of that story was necessary from a logical perspective in the first place ! If you did get on a plane (multiple planes) in suspected early stages of labor, would you later brag about it ? (Well, maybe SP would). No matter WHAT happened or did not happen in Dallas, a very believable press release could go something like this :
"We left Dallas in the early afternoon. (No need to elaborate about why, change in flight plans, etc.)
By the time we were driving from Anchorage to Wasilla, I started feeling some signs of early labor.
We met my doctor at the Mat-Su Regional hospital and she confirmed my suspicions. As this would be my fifth delivery, and baby could be born very quickly, we decided it was safer for both me and the baby for me to stay at Mat-Su for the delivery rather than risk a delivery on the side of the road while driving back to Anchorage. Providence Hospital NICU was alerted in case we needed to transport Trig there after his arrival. Fortunately, all went well and Trig had no immediate special care needs upon delivery. We are delighted with our new family addition and wish to express our thanks for the professional care we received at our excellent local hospital." End of story. There was NO NEED to say anything else. (Including the 'induction').
So why the 'wild ride' story in the first place ? This is a question which should be brought up since the 'wild ride' story seems to be gaining traction in the MSM. It does almost seem like the 'wild ride' would point towards this whole thing being staged at a VERY high level . . . hard as that might be to believe. . . it all just sounds so scripted and you can hear the 'scripting' when you listen to Sarah's audio account of the delivery (pay special attention at the end, when Lisa Demers is questioning the scenario, right before Todd jumps in with the 'fish picker' comment, because that seems to be the only time Sarah goes 'off script'.) I do not actually think the whole thing was staged, but I am starting to think that, for whatever reason, the 'wild ride' story WAS scripted.
Sorry this is long. Thank you again Morgan and Audrey !
This isn't on the topic of a birth certificate, but it IS on the topic of Photoshop - and just how much can be done to TOTALLY alter a picture any way someone chooses.
Check out this link from PopBytes, which links to Worth1000.com - a site dedicated to Photoshop shenanigans.
This one in particular uses Photoshop to make pop stars & actresses look very overweight:
PopBytes - Worth1000.com
If you didn't know how the person ORIGINALLY looked (at their normal weight), I bet most of you would assume: That is a real and valid photo of them.
The point is?
It would be very easy to alter Sarah Palin's appearance, and place her just about ANYWHERE, using Photoshop.
This doesn't prove she did - it just makes for more - ahem - food for thought over the Gusty pix etc.
Sadie and her mom are told that baby Tripp has been born but they can't see him. Same as the rest of us!
If the post is real, I take it as more evidence that Tripp hasn't been born yet. It's smart of SP and co. to try and keep the knowledge of their lie confined to a small group they can trust, which doesn't now include Sadie or her mom.
As a side effect, the Johstons are left offended at the excuse they were given for why they can't see Tripp -- since they can't safely be told there's nothing to see.
Excellent blog and great post. The logic is impeccable. 'If the BC would answer all of the questions and stamp out the rumors, then why not release it'? Because the BC will show information other than what has been said. Continue your good work.
Can I make a suggestion? At least once a day post an 'open thread' so you don't have one post with over 500 comments like this one. Plus Palin Deceptions can cover other topics when not much else is happening. What is happening in Alaska today? How are the freezing people doing? What has Sarah said lately? I understand if you want to keep this focused on the 'births'.
The other thing is, that while people focus on one part of this scandal, Bristol, the hospital, water breaking, etc. what makes me know that this is a fake is the totality of the evidence. There are so many inconsistencies, so many things that cannot be answered or have very strange answers. This whole affair is like a tangled ball of string, there are knots everywhere, just not in one place.
Keep up the good work!
Let's not overlook the powerful statement at the heart of the recent ADN editor's blogs.
In simplest form, this mainstream news outlet came out and stated, on the record, that they investigated whether SP is really Trig's mother and were unable to conclude that she is, primarily due to obstructions by SP and co. to their search for what should have been easily verifiable facts.
That's powerful stuff!
Let's not be distracted by the ADN's need to couch their conclusion in self-protective terms. (They believe Sarah, they didn't run the story, yadda yadda.) They DID run the story -- they published it online in the editor's blog that we're all talking about.
I'm sure this has been discussed but one point I keep sticking on is that Trig Van Palen was one health, hefty 8 month premmie clocking in a 6#2oz.
Since babies put on most of their weight in the last month of development (aprox 1/2 lb per week) this means that if Trig had not been premature he could have easily tipped the scales at over 8 pounds. If would be interesting to know why Palin's other kids weighed but I guess the info will never be know.
But my point is I don't see how there is any way on earth a tiny woman like Sarah Palin could have hid the 5th pregnancy of a baby that was looking to weigh over 8 pounds at birth.
To NY Chick: Looks to me like there is interesting timing at all the correct times to make “someone” behave. Also too ;) reminds me of the Sherry Johnston arrest on December 18th. Levi & Mercede Johnston are not twins, they have different birth days on the court records.
onething said,
"I am hearing that Sadie is 18 and that Levi is 18. Are they twins?"
Levi DOB 5/03/1990
Mercede DOB 12/22/1991rampod
Yo Omo,
Thanks for clarifying, and I agree. But you also suggested that there was someone that Sarah was beholden to.
JWC - excellent points at 4:06 pm.
Oh, and about Sadie having enough money to have a good time, remember she has a father, and he probably makes good money with enough pull to get Levi a job. Or, perhaps she got a summer job.
We haven't focused on it, but the nail in the coffin of the whole wild ride story is the claim that it ended with delivery being induced.
A premie. A high risk DS baby. Induced by an MD who isn't even an ob/gyn. In a community hospital without a neonatal intensive care unit, a hospital that's not even certified to deliver twins.
When there's an NICU hospital commuting distance away. And the patient is not in active labor (that's why they're inducing!) who could easily be transported.
And where's the neonatologist or expert pediatrician to attend the birth?
There are so many things wrong with this scenario that it is inconceivable.
This story doesn't simply require Sarah and Todd Palin to act crazy and irresponsible, it requires the whole hospital, including the well regarded doctor, to act crazy and irresponsible along with them, in violation of all treatment protocols and professional standards.
It's incredible that anyone believes this. That doctor must be just dying at the story Sarah is sticking her with.
JAMES,
great link:
PHOTOSHOP ART indeed.
ANY THING is possible!!!
OMO, good point about the wild ride story. That bothered me too. Why not make up a more believable story if you were going to make one up?
If you listen to the ADN audiotape, she initially didn't want to discuss it but her father had already told the reporter. I'm guessing Sarah hadn't informed her father of her "official" story and he mentioned the time when the birth mother went into labor, which happened to be when Sarah was in Texas.
I think after her father blurted this out, her hands were tied.
jwc:
Re ADN's Pat Dougherty's blog posts:
At the same time he was telling of SP's non-cooperation in Lisa Demer's investigation, he was also calling the fake pregnancy rumors "nutty nonsense."
He's talking out of both sides of his mouth.
Until he stops doing that, he doesn't have much credibility.
Could those using initials for people's names perhaps use their full name? I'm having trouble myself now keeping up to being able to understand who is being discussed and I've been on this blog for a while. Shouldn't we think of the newcomer who comes to this blog later and is totally confuces with the initials? I think we want to encourage more participatin and this would be one way of doing it. Of course SP is pretty recognizable but some of the others?
jwc:
You said:
"That doctor must be just dying at the story Sarah is sticking her with."
CBJ signed her name to a letter on hospital letterhead, released to national media in the heat of a national election, stating that SP was pregnant in 2008 and delivered at 35 weeks a DS child named Trig.
If the pregnancy is fake, why should anyone feel sympathy for CBJ, given her affirming such lies? She will be just as culpable as SP, if not more so, in the hoax.
Anyone know how long the Johnston's have been separated or why they divorcing?
An interesting coincidence?
On March 5, 2008, John McCain becomes the presumptive presidential candidate for the Republican party (and in desperate need of a running mate who'll bring back the alienated fundamentalist base.)
On March 5, 2008, fundamentalist favorite Gov. Sarah Palin announces her "pregnancy."
PS:
To Amy 1: Wouldn't it be fun if we could all meet at some point? I'd love to get my DH (a former editor with the dreaded MSM) and yours together! Maybe they could start a "hellmandeception" blog.
Ocean, thank you for giving us the link to the Celtic Diva article.
Did everyone notice that the author did not give any real reasons for disbelieving the idea that Sarah did not give birth to Trig?
She did not mention any of the photos. Does she not know about them?
I am puzzled as to why no one who knows the Palins has leaked anything. Doesn't Bristol have any ex-friends who know but have kept quiet? Have they all been paid off? Are they all scared of Sarah? Or is the circle of people who know the truth very, very tiny? Levi's mom, with her legal problems, may need money for lawyers, etc. Maybe someone will pay her to squawk?
She said that medical personnel would not participate in such a cover-up. THEY DON'T HAVE TO! Medical info is confidential these days because of HIPAA! A reporter could not ask a doctor or nurse if Sarah gave birth to Trig because that is confidential information! So that is a dummy reason. Doctors and nurses simply ply their trades and then shut their mouths! Sarah wouldn't need a doctor to supply her with sofa cushions to stuff into her clothes.
The Dame: thank you for bringing this to my attention. My apologies to you and everyone for my long-windedness! :{ Outrage is no excuse for rambling and redundancy, or rambling and redundancy...LOL. I'll keep it brief from now on, I promise.
jwc, that's a good point you make. The editor didn't exactly cowtow to SP in the end, and did say that LD and the ADN were stonewalled trying to find proof to refute the rumours. I started feeling like the ADN had given a final word, without actually closing the door completely, but it seemed an ill pursuit in the light of SP's iron fist poking at them.
You renewed my hope that the ADN will probably be the first ones to uncover this. They have an ear to the ground there and better access to all supporting players. Truth is, they could be gathering 'intel' and keeping it quiet. Sarah can't control everyone, or anyone forever.
Not sure what to make of 'Mercede' Myspace; aren't Myspace pages easy to forge, identity wise? Not sure if I'd trust anything that was done on Myspace after the "Triggy-Bear" photos were discovered. Since it was wiped, SP & co. know people will look there. I suspect decoy - but my mind is open, of course.
Thank you to everyone here for your time and your contributions, and especially moderators Audrey and Morgan for suffering through my posts. Humbly sorry.
Really enjoying this community - thanks, all. :)
I’ve been a supportive but silent reader for several months. Thanks to everyone for doing such important work.
Based on this thread and an earlier remark by Dangerous, it suddenly occurred to me that my own pregnancy at age 43 may provide perspective. (Finally I have something to add!)Points to consider that reinforce the bizarreness of SP’s pregnancy story:
*WHAT DOCTOR TO USE? Like SP, I was very healthy when I became pregnant at 43. My regular OB/GYN was a well-respected professional at a good suburban hospital (apparently more credentials than CBJ.) However, my doctor recommended that my pregnancy be overseen by the maternal/fetal group at a nationally-recognized teaching hospital in the large city about 45 minutes away. This was not due to any concerns EXCEPT for my age, which put me in a higher risk category. Both my OB/GYN and I wanted assurance of the best care possible in the event of any unforeseen complications. (Note: Certainly the governor of a state would have access to such state-of-the-art expertise and facilities should she so choose. )
* WHERE TO DELIVER? My prenatal tests showed a healthy baby. EVEN SO, I was advised to use the teaching hospital not only for my pre-natal visits, but also for delivery if at all possible. This, again, was due to the facilities that could accommodate emergencies due to my age. But also, the hospital is next to a superb children’s hospital, which could be important for any issues with the newborn. Again, this related to my age alone. (Note: SP’s baby was known to be at-risk, yet she did not seem to worry about contingency plans for her or the baby should anything go wrong.)
* FLYING? I had hoped to take a 2-hour plane ride 7.5 months into the pregnancy, but was advised strongly by the maternal/fetal practice not to fly. I took their advice. I gave up a nice vacation and lost money on the ticket, but it was worth the reassurance that I would be near competent and familiar care should the baby arrive early. (Note: My flight would have been much earlier in my pregnancy than SP’s flight, and about 1/5 the duration of her flight.)
*CONTINGENCY PLANS: Before I made my decision about flying, my doctor provided me the name of a maternal/fetal specialist and hospital in my destination city, and insisted that I make contact should I feel anything at ALL unusual. It was also suggested that I familiarize myself with the location of the hospital in the event of an emergency (Note: Was SP not given the name of a doctor in Texas?)
*EMERGENCY C-SECTION? I have not seen this in our discussions yet, but it is important: There was another reason I followed doctor’s orders and did not fly. While it can and does happen that babies are delivered vaginally in transit, what if I had needed an emergency C-section during the flight? SP’s wild ride negligence does not even consider the possibility of a C-section, a scenario every woman going into labor thinks about. Suppose—in the middle of a 10-hour plane ride—she had needed surgery—and needed it quickly, either for her life or the life of the baby? (Note: SP, having been pregnant previously, would have known that the worst case for her flight would NOT to be spread-eagle in the aisle, but for her or her baby to be clinging to a life-or-death situation, needing immediate and major surgery. )
*WATER BREAKING: Not unique to an older birth mother, but when my water broke I was advised in no uncertain terms to get to the hospital immediately for observation. (And indeed, I did have an unplanned C-section. )
* THE ODDS: My pregnancy was a curiosity to many. Why? The odds of a woman over 40 becoming pregnant are miniscule, with the likelihood of pregnancy declining each year of maternal age. DS baby statistics have been discussed at length, but what about the comparative odds of pregnancy between a 43-year-old and a teenager? A teenager can get in the back seat of a car one time and become pregnant. Many women over 40 can use calendars, vitamins, clocks, and state-of-the-art technology and still not have the desired results. Of course, I realize that these are just statistics. I got pregnant (unexpectedly) at 43, and SP may have as well. But I would place my money on the teenager in the car.
MY SHAPE; Like SP, I was a sub-4 hour marathoner when I got pregnant (Now I am totally out of shape can barely jog around the corner, but that is another story :-) Two points: 1) My pregnancy was quite evident by 4 months (in fact, I needed maternity clothes before many of my less active cohorts) AND 2) It took me MONTHS to recover from the birth and I never regained my post-pregnancy physique. A friend-midwife explained to me one difference between older and younger birth-mothers: Older moms take much longer to recover from pregnancy and delivery. SP’s supposed post-natal return to work, trim and smiling, strikes me as absurd.
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Remarks not related to my pregnancy:
BAD ENERGY: Having worked with teenagers, I can sense that Bristol absolutely loathes SP. I am truly sorry for that young lady that she does not have the education and means to high-tail it out of Alaska with whatever children she does or does not have. (Personally I think that she and Levi are not together anymore.) And whenever Bristol finally makes a clean break, I think she may be the one to talk, assuming she has a means of supporting herself and her child(ren) and most important, assuming she has somehow guaranteed her personal safety. I don’t mean this lightly. I sense that the penalties for behavior not acceptable to SP are quite strong and frightening. (Which I believe is why so many are silenced..)
BRISTOL’S RNC DRESS QUESTION: I have always wondered why BP dressed s she did at the RNC. Any breastfeeding mom knows that a two-piece outfit is the most convenient for feeding. And a back-closing dress is impossible, unless it has side panels. Also, a jacket or scarf could have covered any potential leakage. Was she dressed by someone else? Was it to embarrass SP?
PEOPLE MAGAZINE AND NO PHOTOS and why the magazine has not pursued the story any further: We need to remember the purpose of each publication. Magazines stay true to their “mission,” which in the case of People, is to provide pictures of well-known people. In the event of no photo of Tripp, the natural move would be for them to pack up their tents in Alaska and stick with the original plan of a 2-day visit to get news. Importantly, People magazine does not exist as an investigative publication. They do not have the personnel to continue in that manner, nor do they probably want to be seen as “dirty-handed” with those on whom they report. Their agreeable relationships with their subjects keep them getting first crack at good pictures.
onething at 4:29 pm
There are very few persons Miss Sarah could be beholden to in this scenario who would hold that kind of power over her. Moderators of this forum, for very good and sufficient reason, will not allow too much speculation along these lines in published comments.
Enough said.
Palin Pregnancy Truth. I am not at all sure of the real role Chuck Heath is playing in all this. See above.
From Lee Tompkins on Celtic Diva: "However, a few weeks ago I had a discussion with a woman very involved in the right-to-life movement and pro-Palin, obviously.
The questions I posed to this woman regarding Palin and her return flight from Dallas were: 'Does a 35-week fetus not deserve the same fetal rights as an 8-week fetus?? Should a 35-week fetus have access to appropriate medical care?' I must admit it was painful watching her squirm since she knew where I was going with those questions. You guessed it, she couldn't answer them without damning Palin to a degree.
Interestingly, she did admit that a "purist" would not have had an amnio, since the belief is you take whatever God gives you."
Perhaps Lee provides a useful rallying cry: "Does a 35-week fetus not deserve the same fetal rights as an 8-week fetus?"
A stronger argument can be made when you don't have to accuse persons of lying but rather take what they themselves say at face value and use it against them.
So, Lee, go for it. Convince the ADN that their not pointing out Palin's recklessness in the actions she herself describes could endanger other babies and mothers who believe Palin's way was OK for her and for them too.
Perhaps the truth about her childbirth will eventually lead to the truth about her pregnancy.
Maybe Palin plans to clarify a few things on Beck's show, with a sympathetic host and network, and with a media and populace distracted by the inauguration.
jwc, right you are to remind us:
ADN said they were unable to verify Sarah gave birth to Trig.
Speaking of Katie Holmes's pregnancy timeline.
Does anyone else think it's pretty coincidental that Suri Cruise shares Trig's purported birthdate -- April 18th?
*twilight zone music here*
In addition to demanding that the ADN add a "Don't try this at home, pregnant women," disclaimer to Palin's wild ride story,
perhaps we should ask the national Family Practitioner group that in a recent year made CBJ their physician of the year -- for the whole USA, not just Alaska -- if that means they approve of the advice a governor says the good doctor gave her when her water broke at 4am.
SC - I really don't want to belabor this, but there are a number of photos of Mercede in Hawaii for the Pro Bowl, Feb. 10, 2008, in a bikini and tight fitting t-shirts.
Then there are the two proms she attended. The "blue prom" at Colony HS on April 12, and the "pink prom" at Burchell HS on April 25th - the day she had her pic snapped with Bristol - "My sister INLAW, oooh how I love her."
See Audrey's posts in November for all the prom info, though the "blue prom" pics were never posted. Audrey does have then.
There are a few pictures of Sadie with her mom, one on the same page as the Hawaii pics, and Sherry is wearing a very snug-fitting sweater with no bump at all.
Mercede is one social girl with tons of activities and photos to prove it. They appear to be all in the same year - this past school year. If you are convinced Track got a girl pregnant, why does it have to be Mercede?! It could be any girl in Alaska or beyond. I can't see Palin covering for a son and any girl at that point, when she was itching to be VP. Daughters are different. IMO
Final comment -- Many talk about her photos being "scrubbed" from the internet. What really happened, she just set her account to private. You have to be a friend to see them, like Facebook always requires. Whether her parents, the Palins, or the Republicans urged her to make it private, to me, if my daughter was in that situation, I would immediately ask her to go private. I think all of you would do the same. With the world poking around? I don't feel real proud that I know everything about her now.
I apologize if something like this has already been said, as I haven't read through all of the comments yet.
I don't know the procedure for registering out-of-hospitals births in AK (If anyone knows the procedure for registering out-of-hospital births in AK, please share), but here in CA the parents have a year to register their child's birth. The mother (and father, if he is going to be named on the birth certificate) need to provide a signed letter from the midwife or doctor that delivered the baby that contains information about the pregnancy and birth (mother's first date of prenatal care, baby's birth date, weight, and length, address at which the birth occurred, etc.), a signed letter from the pediatrician who saw the baby within 10 days of birth that contains information about the baby, photo ID, and proof of address. If the parent(s) cannot provide one or more of these things, their case will be investigated and someone will review everything they DO have and determine whether or not it is enough to legally register the birth. My husband and I had all the necessary information, but we still didn't get around to registering our baby's birth until eight months later.
Anyway, my point is that, if he was born at home maybe the Palins were waiting until the rumors about his maternity (which apparently had already started) died down before registering his birth, not realizing that it would become such a big deal. Could it be that they haven't released a birth certificate because there simply ISN'T one?
Hmm the "new" Mercede myspace comments seem a bit "set-up" for my liking. She will be in on it; she's effectivly confirming the birth of said "nefu". Why magically allow Mercede to spend time with Trig and not with Tripp?
I think its set up!
Ok taking what I said previously
Fisheye Plus, as someone mentioned earlier today, Melissa Wilfong's MySpace home page says she is 40 years old. Compare her home page with the photo next to the alleged note from Mercede and things fall apart.
I’ve done a search on myspace for Melissa Wilfong and the search brought up 6 people with the matching name; none of which have the age of 40 on them; and I couldn’t see Mercede’s comment; although three of the profiles were “private”.
If you search Melissa Wilfong there are 6 names which match up; however Mellissa Wilfong brings up two profiles for the same 40-year old lady which fish eye was talking about. The 40-year old Mellissa lives in Alaska. I thought the Melissa that Mercede was talking to lived in Florida? The Mellissa in question with the “Mercede” comments is the 40-year old; she may be a family friend which would account for the age differences.
Sorry to have to ask but who is "Mother Jones" I've seen the name appear a few times and don't know who she is...Over the pond in the UK we miss out on all of the names :-(
***dipsydoodlenoodle said...
Ok taking what I said previously
Fisheye Plus, as someone mentioned earlier today, Melissa Wilfong's MySpace home page says she is 40 years old. Compare her home page with the photo next to the alleged note from Mercede and things fall apart.
I’ve done a search on myspace for Melissa Wilfong and the search brought up 6 people with the matching name; none of which have the age of 40 on them; and I couldn’t see Mercede’s comment; although three of the profiles were “private”.
If you search Melissa Wilfong there are 6 names which match up; however Mellissa Wilfong brings up two profiles for the same 40-year old lady which fish eye was talking about. The 40-year old Mellissa lives in Alaska. I thought the Melissa that Mercede was talking to lived in Florida? The Mellissa in question with the “Mercede” comments is the 40-year old; she may be a family friend which would account for the age differences.***
Mellissa (with 2 LLs, possibly causing the difficulty in looking her up) identifies herself on her myspace as a former Alaska resident who has moved to Florida. On the two web postings she made that I can find, she also identifies herself as such and mentions that her sons went to school with Bristol. In Mellissa's photo albums, I found a picture of one of her sons with Mercede.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Compare her home page with the photo next to the alleged note from Mercede and things fall apart." I believe M and M know each other; I'm not entirely convinced that Mercede wrote those notes, but that may be a function of how much I distrust any information from any of the players in this game.
Mother Jones was a historical person whose name was used to start a magazine and later a web site.
http://www.motherjones.com/about/pr/fact-sheet.html
I've just watched this video:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hGLzqjfF5gQ
It's an interview given to Greta Van Susteren shortly after the elections. @8:50 SP talks about the bloggers in their pjs in some basement, blah blah. Note how she says that if the media took some time investigating the allegations all would have been clear and that the rumours were disproved but it took days for the MSM to correct things.
This is only one of many interviews she gave where she keeps coming up with "...why not come to me and set the record straight...". Apart from her word and Bristol's pregnancy as evidence of her being Trig's real mom, has anybody seen any convincing evidence? Has anybody seen how the MSM "corrected" the stories? Any articles supported by fresh evidence provided by SP? The letter from her doctor only came to light on the eve of the elections...
If I can remember it right, nobody printed or broadcast any corrections. They simply dropped the story after Obama reiterated that the families of candidates were off-limits.
But shee keeps saying things as if they really happened - "I proved it", "the media corrected it after I gave them evidence" or things in a similar vein. None of these things actually took place, it's just her talking...
She does it a lot, and not just about the Trig question.
Greetings everyone!
I am a long time reader-first time poster. When I found this site,I was so glad to see I was not alone in my outrage and concern about what this woman was trying to do!
Thank you to Audrey and Morgan for all of your hard work. It is all about honesty and accountability.
I am thinking that a stylist selected the dress for Bristol, completely unaware of her bodily requirements.
Many posters assert that Trig was born earlier, and I tend to agree. He looks like a newborn in the photos of him taken with Mercede and posted on her Myspace page. Craig has a point, if we could date those, we could compare with the video of when he was presented by Sarah and Todd to Andrea Gusty. Just a thought :)
Susan
Thank you londonbridges. It makes sense now :-)
From Media Matters http://tinyurl.com/8pern7
Only after Republicans threw a spotlight onto the online conspiracy theory did the press make references to it. And once the McCain campaign claimed liberal bloggers had spread the rumor, the press dutifully repeated the claim:
* "[Bristol] is pregnant -- a revelation the Alaska governor made public yesterday to refute rumors spread by liberal bloggers that she'd faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her daughter's earlier one. (New York Post)
* "The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child. (Reuters)
* The announcement (Bristol's pregnancy) came after a swirl of rumors by liberal bloggers that the governor's fifth child, who was born in April, was in fact her daughter's." (The New York Times)
SP and the GOP chose very carefully to address ONLY the rumours about Bristol being Trig's mother, NOT any rumours about SP's fake pregnancy.
In that case, she did provide "proof", but that's not the question we're asking, is it?
Re: the NEFU
The comment may or may not be Sadie's. If it is, it suggests that she and her mom have been told Tripp exists but have not seen him. That is as much (if not more) evidence that Tripp does NOT exist as that he does. The "white trash" reason is Sadie speculating as to why she hasn't seen Tripp.)
Info that cuts both ways wouldn't be worth planting by Palin or her minions. It is interesting but doesn't really matter.
Abbreviations I've seen:
SP - Sarah Palin
CBJ - Dr. Cathy Lee Baldwin Johnson
ADN - Anchorage Daily News
SJ - Sadie or Sherry Johnston
MJ - Sadie (Mercede) Johnston
AG - Andrea Gusty w/KTVA
BC - birth certificate (bc, b/c)
Hope that helps.
As for Bristol's outfit at the convention, I think that was a specific choice. I think they wanted to make her look "big".
If you compare the grey dress to the outfit she wore before the pregnancy announcement, she does not look nearly as big.
I think they wanted to erase any doubt that Bristol was 5 months pregnant. They took many pictures of her then with Levi and then she disappeared.
SpecialMom, good find: Palin announced her pregnancy on the same day McCain became the presumptive candidate, needing a running mate to appeal to the so-called values voters.
Scenario: Sarah was trying to figure out how to deal with Bristol's baby (whom she recently learned was DS and not easily adoptable) and the answer came to her that day! Or, as she might say, God just cracked opened that door of political opportunity and she stuck her foot in it (after removing said foot from her mouth) and pushed through. While giving birth to a DS baby both helped and hurt her chances, having an unwed teen dropout daughter do it could be a definite family values problem.
"CBJ signed her name to a letter on hospital letterhead, released to national media in the heat of a national election, stating that SP was pregnant in 2008 and delivered at 35 weeks a DS child named Trig."
When you go to a doctor for the first time, you sometimes give them written documentation but lots of the time they just ask your history. It's just barely possible that CBJ wasn't involved in the pregnancy/birth imbroglio, but was told by Sarah that she was pregnant and gave birth to Trig, and is merely repeating what she's been told, whether or not she believes it.
Yeah, I don't really believe it either. It was just a thought.
"I can't see Palin covering for a son and any girl at that point, when she was itching to be VP. Daughters are different. IMO"
I see what you're saying, but I tend to think that SP would feel even more urge to cover for a son. Everyone understands a wayward daughter- heck, the country-music industry is practically built on the concept- but a wayward son is supposed to man up and accept responsibility and pay child support and announce he's standing by his child, etc. Particularly if his parents are in public life. Imagine if it got out that SP's son got a girl pregnant, dumped her and denies responsibility?
Re: Track. Remember that his "girlfriend" supposedly traveled as a baby sitter with the campaign. Maybe Trig was hers. Or maybe they just called someone his girlfriend to fight the gay rumors, which could have been another problem for values voters.
I am starting to strongly lean in favor of the theory that those involved did not know about the DS condition until the birth. I tend to agree that if SP had known, she would have shouted it from the rooftops for the political mileage but also, as someone here astutely pointed out, she would have used it as an excuse for waiting so long to disclose the pregnancy.
If they did not know about the DS, then Bristol, or whoever the mom is, could have had a home birth with only CBJ in attendance.
If the DS condition was a surprise, then both SP and CBJ have flat out lied with respect to the amnio and prenatal testing.
Semantic, thanks for your birth story. See, this is what a logical, caring pregnant woman would do in this case. Bottom line: either Sarah was lying, or she didn't care if Trig lived or died.
Dipsydoodlenoodle, "Mother Jones" is an American news-analysis, muckraking magazine, with an unabashedly liberal bent. They "dig out the dirt" on things such as where government money goes, political or corporate corruption, etc. I don't think it is that well-read (not like, say, "Time"), but a lot of their stories do eventually make the more popular news sources.
I'm amazed at all the non-USA folks who care about this issue. Were the tables turned, I doubt many Americans would care about a British public figure in a similar scenario, unless it was Princess Di or a movie star who was involved.
Sarah's evasiveness reminds me of the movie "Fargo." There was the scene in which the policewoman is interviewing the crooked car dealer. She asks him how he keeps track of the cars. He evades the question until finally saying, "I just answered your question," obviously not having done so.
"Re: Track. Remember that his "girlfriend" supposedly traveled as a baby sitter with the campaign. Maybe Trig was hers."
I thought that that was SP's niece?
Excellent post semantic. This is exactly the kind of information that points to why the wild ride story is so completely absurd.
This, along with the RN who offered the commentary on the Celtic Diva site really point out the true essence of the SP issues; she's either lying about her being the birth mother of Trig or she truly is the mother and fabricated a fantastic story that she hoped would make her look herculean as a mother.
Conversely if this wild ride story is true she took incredible risk and endangered the life of her unborn child and potentially her own.
And of course, if she faked the pregnancy for whatever reason then there is another lie.
No matter how you shake it out there's a lie in there and SP is cornered. I think ultimately the value of all the citizen journalist investigations has borne out this fundamental point.
I'm still of the notion that the pregnancy was faked and that Bristol is the mother. But I'm open to the fact that despite the photographic 'evidence' SP could be the mother and in that case the wild ride story takes center stage. Either way then, SP is caught lying about those circumstances.
Bottom line for voters in the future, either Alaskans or national (God forbid!); this woman makes irrational decisions about her life and the lives of those around her. Would you want her negotiating with world leaders and her finger on any buttons? The value of investigating these issues is apparent to me.
A number of people have suggested that Trig was born at home, rather than at a hospital. Is there any evidence of that? Is this so the birth would be more "private"? Remember that HIPAA laws prevent health-care providers--both people (e.g. doctors and nurses) and institutions (hospitals & clinics)--from releasing medical info without the consent of the patient. If Bristol/Willow/Molly gave birth to Trig in a hospital (MatSu or other), there is no way the hospital could have released that info without the consent of the patient, unless they wanted to break federal law!
Several people have come up with a scenario like this: Trig's birth mother wanted to give Trig up for adoption, but the adoption fell through when they learned Trig would have DS, so then Sarah faked her pregnancy and claimed to give birth to him. OK, possible. But why didn't the birth mother simply give him up for adoption without having a particular new family in mind? Seems to me that's what girls used to do in the old days. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings, but if I were an unmarried pregnant teen, and I wanted to give birth and give up the baby, I wouldn't care to know who got him. I realize "open adoptions" are common these days, but I guess I just don't know why.
I would appreciate it if the initials used for texting were listed somewhere. Maybe there is a website for that. Old folks like me have trouble with most of them. e.g., I cannot figure out what IMO stands for. tnx
sandra in oregon
For Sandra at 10:01 AM:
IMO == "In My Opinion"
http://www.netlingo.com/emailsh.cfm
Self-described as "The Largest List of Text Message Shorthand (IM, SMS) and Internet Acronyms Found of the Web - kept current and up-to-date by NetLingo The Internet Dictionary: Online Dictionary of Computer and Internet Terms, Acronyms, Text Messaging, Smileys ;-)"
Sandra, I've had the same problem (for the same reason). Here is a link to an extensive list of abbreviations:
http://kb.iu.edu/data/adkc.html
Sandra,
From a fellow Oregonian, look here:
http://www.all-acronyms.com/
Hi Sandra,
IMO is 'in my opinion'. FWIW ('for what it's worth') here's a link to a bunch of other shorthand and commonly used abbreviations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language
:)
Sandra,
Here are a few abbreviations:
IMO= In my opinion
IMHO= In my humble opinion
FWIW=For what it's worth
BTW=By the way
LOL=Laugh out loud
MSM=Mainstream media
IDK=I don't know
Reading about how Sully, the hero US Airways pilot was named best aviator in his class at the Air Force Academy reminds me of why our search for the truth in this is so important. Somewhat of a metaphor but not settling for mediocrity in our leaders can often mean the difference between life or death. A lesser pilot at the helm of that plane in that circumstance and there could have been a much different outcome.
My anger over John McCain's decision to offer SP the VP spot and SP's non-blinking acceptance is mostly over the near national security disaster averted. It was a political and selfish decision. Not only was it not putting "country first" but it was, IMO (in my opinion, Sandra :)), a decision that put our national security at risk. Having that woman at the helm if McCain died is beyond ludicrous and that's not even taking into account the deep economic crisis this nation finds itself in. And she will be running again. What is scary is that she may be the only Republican stupid enough to run against Obama in 2012. And while some Democrats twitter in glee at the thought because they consider her unelectable, I don't think the chance is worth it.
My thanks to the many responses on the subject of acronyms. A whole new world is now opening for me.
sandra in oregon
While the acronym thing is also a problem, that's not what I was referring to. I was referring to the use of initials for people's names.
Can anyone tell me when this thing with Glen Beck is due to air? Not that I expect to hear anything important from Fox noise but it may be worth watching. This blog gives me the impression of beginning to fade so a little more blabbing from Palin will help. She has to say at least one stupid thing! If only Beck has the cojones to ask her about the missing baby pictures?
I agree with you Susan, if we could date those photos of Sadie holding "Triggybear," by comparing those with the video of the Palins going back to work on April 21, there is NO WAY Trig is the same age!
Another thing I've been thinking about is that Bristol's latest baby may not be Levi's. This would account for his not being around when he/she was/will be born, and why we have not seen any photos of the happy family. Now that Sarah has created this conservative fairy tale, it would be very hard to confess the truth if Levi is not the daddy.
Anybody thinking the same thing?
penny
Beck's show is on Fox News at 5 PM East Coast time.
BlueTx remarked, "Bristol is wearing a tight pair of jeans. Bristol is not exactly a thin girl..."
Even girls 20 pounds overweight wear those same tight jeans. And have you noticed where the "waistband" is on most of today's jeans sold to the teen-age girls? Yeah, just above their pubes.
I remember when I was still fairly young, in my 20s and 30s, "hiphuggers" used to be the In thing. I could never figure out how other young women wore them because I couldn't keep them up. I'd get this horrible sense of insecurity, as if they were slipping off my behind.
I guess that's something today's youngsters get used to. Anyway, there isn't a doubt in my mind that Bristol Palin wears those lowriders regardless of how pregnant...er, how much she weighs.
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