Wednesday, January 28, 2009

So... Where's Tripp?

Seriously.

This isn't like an earring you lost in your carpet that you might not see for a couple of weeks or months, and then, voila, there it is. It's not like the remote that is surely down in your sofa. Or all those damn socks under your drier.

This is a baby. A baby that is the alleged result of a pregnancy that was the primary "proof" that Sarah Palin, Governor of Alaska, nominee for Vice-President of the United States, was the biological mother of Trig Palin, and had not faked a pregnancy last April. Since it is indisputable that there WERE rumors that Bristol was pregnant last spring, Tripp's birth is a compelling piece of evidence that Trig is Sarah's because it proves with near certainty that Bristol cannot be. So Gov. Palin should be eager to show him, to put this "ridiculous lie" to rest once and for all.

But no. What we have instead is a situation that, to quote a friend, "goes beyond strange into the incomprehensible." I could not have said it better.

So far, no one outside of the immediate family has claimed to have seen this child. No pictures have been released. No hospital has been identified as the place of the birth.

Let's review: On December 29th, late in the afternoon Eastern Time, people.com posted an announcement that Bristol Palin had given birth. The source was Bristol's great-aunt (so the alleged baby's great great aunt,) Colleen Jones, who, we learned later had heard of the birth in an email from her brother-in-law Chuck "Sarah's Water Broke" Heath. Great-great-aunt Colleen, readers should be reminded, does not live in Alaska; she lives in Washington state. For your viewing pleasure, here are two interviews with Ms Jones, here and here (from during the campaign - nothing to do with the baby.)

It later was revealed that People had learned of the birth by cold-calling Ms. Jones. Over the next 24 hours, the actual day of the birth as well as the baby's birth weight fluctuated a bit, but the consensus finally was that the baby was born Saturday, December 27th, weighing seven pounds, seven ounces.

As far as I can determine, no news outlet EVER confirmed independently that the birth had occurred. Every media source that I can find that ran the story, including the Anchorage Daily News, did so by quoting the People.com announcement.

Initially, Gov. Palin's office would not comment on the blessed event (though they certainly did not issue any denial stating that the story was not true.) I discussed this in a previous post. Then, however, five days after the alleged birth, and two days after the news "broke" in People, Gov. Palin's office did confirm that the birth had occurred.

Since then, what do we have? Lots of lovely pictures of the happy young mom with her precious newborn? What about impromptu shots with Grandma Sarah and Grandpa Todd? No and no. We don't even have Great-Granddad Chuck Heath holding the bundle of joy. (At least we got that with Trig!)

What we do have is ONE interview, again in the ever-helpful People, from "other" grandmother, Sherry Johnston. She is the only person who has actually stated that she has seen the baby, here in the online article, and again in the print version of the magazine, in the issue dated January 19th, 2008.

But... hold it. A few things just plain don't add up with Granny Johnston's interview. First, although the issue was dated January 19th, it was actually available ten full days earlier, on the ninth. Allowing for printing and distribution schedules, it's hard to place this interview any later than the fifth. OK, so that's nine days after Tripp's alleged birth. Given the fact that most moms stay in the hospital 36-48 hours after the birth, it's reasonable to suggest that Bristol and her newborn would have come home from the hospital on Monday the 29th. So... at the time Sherry Johnston spoke to People, Tripp could not have been home from the hospital more than a week. Keep that in mind when you read the quote:

In their first weeks as parents, Levi and Bristol shared parenting duties. By day, says Sherry, they tended to Tripp and sorted through gifts from well-wishers; by night they traded off diaper detail and the task of soothing a crying baby.
Weeks? A typo? Maybe.

But then, ouch! Another oddity rears its inconvenient head. On January 5th, the Anchorage Daily News reported that Levi had quit his North Slope oil job, and that he was flying home. Wait. Wasn't he already "home?' Wasn't he living with the Palins in their (according to People Magazine) four bedroom home that had just gotten "busier?" Wasn't he sharing diaper duty? From Wasilla to Alaska's North Slope is 700 miles. Travelocity lists only three flights a day from Barrow to Anchorage, at prices ranging from $700 to $1050 round trip. Not exactly an easy or cheap jaunt.

In fact, that Anchorage Daily News' article about Levi makes no mention whatsoever of the fact that he had "only recently returned" to the North Slope or "had only been back on the job a day since the birth of his child," or something similar... Read the article again, keeping in mind that People magazine claimed only four days later that Levi had been parenting Tripp for "weeks," and see if you find the omission as odd as I do. Was he ever actually in Wasilla? On the very day that Sherry Johnston is telling People Levi is cheerfully changing diapers at the Palin home, he's actually on the North Slope quitting his job. Hmmmmm........ It's my opinion that, in fact, the Anchorage Daily News article and the People Magazine article contradict each other directly. And if Ms. Johnston lied about Levi being home, did she lie about seeing the baby? It's a valid question. (She might have good reasons for doing as she's asked. Just sayin'...)

And there's another reason to question what the truth is here: A single comment left by Mercede Johnston, aunt of the alleged newborn, on a MySpace page belonging to a former Wasilla resident, Mellissa Wilfong. Mercede has posted to Ms. Wilfong's page on January 4th, telling Ms. Wilfong that she planned on visiting Florida later this winter (and, interestingly, did not mention her new nephew at all.) But then, on January 7th, we get another comment. As Ms. Wilfong's page is now set to private, it can not be viewed directly, but here is a screen shot.

Courtesy of Gawker, here is a translation:

Levi is in a bit of a haze right now... Umm, I'm not allowed to see my nephew and my mom isn't either. We aren't Palins so therefore we are white trash and Bristol doesn't want her baby around us. So mom and I are really upset over it. I just hope Levi pulls his head out of his butt and lets us see our nephew and her grandbaby.

What to make of this comment? First, is it real? We know it came from Mercede Johnston's real MySpace account. Second, is it TRUE? It's impossible to say. Most of the Wasilla teen's MySpace pages went private after Sarah Palin's nomination in September; it's possible that Mellissa Wilfong, an older person and outside of the Wasilla group never got the memo, and hers remained public; Mercede may have not realized this. Certainly, the comment has received a good deal of publicity and no one has issued a statement that it is a forgery or a fraud: it's just been ignored.

So what does it mean? Are we to assume that Mercede and Sherry have NEVER seen the baby, which would mean that Sherry lied to People Magazine OR does it mean just that they can't see the baby in an ongoing way? No one... typically... is talking.

What's the answer? I honestly don't know. What I do know is that this family has again provided a situation that simply does not make sense.

Tripp Johnston is the best proof that Sarah Palin has that she is Trig Palin's mother. Yes, other women could have been Trig's mother, but Bristol for many reasons was the most plausible alternative. The rumors and questions about Trig Palin's birth have not gone away. Recently, Gov. Palin and the Anchorage Daily News carried on a rather public email war in which the editor of the ADN stated that while he believes Sarah to be Trig's mom, he also stated explicitly that:
It strikes me that if there is never a clear, contemporaneous public record of what transpired with Trig's birth that may actually ensure that the conspiracy theory never dies.
A good place to start - a very good place - would be with a clear, contemporaneous public record of Tripp Johnston's birth. But it doesn't look like we are going to get that either.

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Doubting Thomas said...

Dangerous said...
Sorry for the back-to-back posts, but some news ones crossed in the delay.

As Onething notes, the Feb 15 luncheon is a critical date, based on the reasonable assumption that all the Palin women attended as was reported at the time. Ms. Bartels may have been mistaken, but we can't assume she wouldn't know the girls or the Palins pulled a switcheroo. That's why I want photos from that event.

I agree that disguising a six-month pregnancy for any woman would be tough at the indoor event. SP didn't look pregnant at that time, which is a key basis for our conclusion that she wasn't. One of the girls could have employed some camouflage, and a younger girl's could get away with it more than well-known and observed Sarah.

If we had photos of all three Palin women and none of them looked either camouflaged or pregnant, I agree that we would all be scratching our heads -- and looking for other suspects.

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my reply -
BUT everyone there wanted to see Sarah. The girls would go pretty much unscrutinized, they could get away with baggy sweat shirts, coats worn indoors at a luncheon, as they were not the one center stage.

My opinion of poor Bristol, is that she has been picked on by Mommy Dearest for a long time. Bristol stand up straight, Bristol put on something decent, Bristol your getting fat, Bristol You need to stand next to Mommy, Bristol stop squirming, Bristol brush your hair. and so on and so forth.

Bristol being the oldest, remembers what Mommy was like before she got into politics, and doesn't like what it has turned her once loving Mother into. Her way of rebelling has been baggy clothing, not wanting to be in pictures, not wanting to be on stage where everyone (according to Mommy Dearest) They will all be looking at you Bristol, so stand up straight, smile, and dress nicely. Otherwise what are they going to think of me (your mother)...

Ivyfree said...

"In what way are Palins values different than, say, a left, liberal, new-age hippie?"

I've been trying to post this, and I don't think it's been accepted, so I apologize if it does turn out to be multiple posts. I had to reregister for google/blogger.

I just wanted to say that in my experience, left liberal New Age hippies tend to believe quite strongly in the truth.

Ennealogic said...

Sandra,

Can you point me to a video or picture of Trig with The Dude at Sarah's last State of the State address?

Thanks!

wayofpeace said...

CURIOS, from CNN:

Palin lying low during Washington trip

WASHINGTON (CNN) – ... the Alaska governor embraced a decidedly lower profile when she traveled to the nation's capital this weekend.

The former Republican vice presidential candidate has scheduled a busy itinerary of closed-door events and face time with congressional Democrats and Republicans. ...

But it's what's missing from Palin's schedule that is causing more than a few heads to turn. In a city that is ground-zero for national political journalists, Palin has not scheduled a single media interview or indicated she will hold a press conference.

kj said...

SP holding Trig and “another Palin girl” (who knows since it is “hard” to tell) are buying diapers in a store; this is one picture I know of, I do not see any Pepsi bottles in that picture. There is a picture of Bristol Palin in a convenience store with secret service during the fall of 2008 looking pregnant and yes in the glass case behind them; there are orange capped Pepsi bottles. I see no relevance of the orange Pepsi bottles for either picture, other than in the Bristol one she appears to be pregnant.

TinaC said...

Off topic but I couldn't resist.

Interesting update from the Ebay auction from Sarah's supposed niece.

"Naughty Monkey shoes, said to be Sarah Palin's, sell for $2,025 in auction."

http://tinyurl.com/djpu76

wayofpeace said...

SOMETHING ELSE that is making SP less SPARKY:

from THE POLITICAL CARNIVAL:

SARAH PALIN's EMAILS

The Alaska Democratic Party says the state's repeated delays in providing public records it has asked for involving Gov. Sarah Palin are "excessive and unwarranted."
...
In the request, Alaska Democratic Party chairwoman Patti Higgins sought Palin's schedules and calendars between Jan. 1, 2007, and Sept. 15, 2008. The Democrats also sought various categories of e-mails for about the same time period, including:
...
• All e-mails from Palin containing the following words: babysitter, childcare, McCain, Obama, Democrat, Huckabee, Wal-Mart, Eskimo, Natives, Kuwait, passport, Ruedrich, or Kopp;

• All e-mails between Palin and her husband, Todd, with any of the following words: vote, veto, budget, oil, Monegan, or Wooten; and

• All e-mails between Palin and her sister, Molly McCann, with the words Wooten or Monegan. [...]
...
"These repeated delays are excessive and unwarranted. There is obvious obfuscation going on here. Sarah Palin is proving herself to be anti-transparent about her own communications and activities," Higgins said in a written statement. [...]

jeanie said...

Amy1 -

Awesome overview, including all relevant links and NOT including all the superfluous, hypothetical stuff. I have two questions:

Why did you say "(And Katie Couric gave SP the oppty to say “I read the NYT, WaPo, HBR, etc., for my info.”—Amy1)" under Sept 2007?

And, I thought most of "SP complains about blogs and MSM reporting rumors about Trig's parentage, but does nothing to quell them" started up in January 2009 rather than in Nov 2008

But, as I get the bulk of my info from here and the occasional googling of news, I may be missing something!

Keep up the good work!

jeanie said...

Ennealogic said...

"Have we seen Trig at all post-election?"

Yes - oddly enough, Todd was feeding him a bottle as they sat surrounded by a sea of official people being addressed by SP at the State-of-the-State address earlier this month. What is the deal with that child? I don't know anyone else who brings their BABY to this sort of meeting! If she were a stock-broker, would she be lugging him around the floor of the exchange?

jeanie said...

PalinPregnancyTruth -

I like your thinking - but how would that baby born in Anchorage at 3:47 pm make it down (over?) to Wasilla in time for an a.m. photo shoot with the Heaths? Or was that photo not necessarily confirmed to be on 4/18?

leu2500 said...

re Pepsi bottle caps

The picture of Bristol in the convenience store was run on the ADN website on 11/4/08. It is part of a series of pictures about SP coming back to AK to vote for herself for VP. It was discussed in the comments at the time.

sg said...

Interesting article at cnn.com re Palin's trip to DC:

http://tinyurl.com/btd9nf

"Palin lying low during Washington trip"

Snippet:

"But it's what's missing from Palin's schedule that is causing more than a few heads to turn. In a city that is ground-zero for national political journalists, Palin has not scheduled a single media interview or indicated she will hold a press conference. She also brushed past reporters without making any comments Saturday as she entered the Alfalfa Club Dinner."

Amy1 said...

I thought Levi's "weeks" of child care was a quote from Levi's Mom at some point. Maybe her quote was in People, which I never saw. Or maybe that was part of the SP "working their butts off" quote. I'll take that off my list until we substantiate it.

Thanks, mel, for this other time line -- it's much cooler than mine.

Don G -- I agree with Morgan, let's not tell on each other or be anything but scrupulously kind to anyone who participates. The beautiful thing about a blog is that anyone can read or participate, so there are no secrets. SO ONLY THE TRUTH WILL WORK! What a concept! It's okay with me if a bad guy submits a false lead -- because upon checking, the lead will fall apart.

Remember the duplicate Amy (who knows, she might have been legit and actually named Amy and she suggested this in all innocence?) way back when we were noodling the Gusty photos said

"Anonymous amy said...
We need to focus on actually talking to people in Alaska such as Dan Carpenter and Andrea Gusty rather than concentrating on this weak evidence such as low-res photos.
These "nail in the coffin" photos are no such things -- we need to get answers from real people who were around Palin during her "pregnancy."
Can someone call or email them in the name of journalism?
December 28, 2008 6:14 PM"


Obviously, this effort to get Gusty to confirm the photos did not slow anything down. And I see now that our not jumping right onto that suggestion appears to have resulted in the Gusty telecast confirming the shoot. Great! more rope to hang themselves by, when it all eventually unravels. And, again, I am just rolling on the floor, laughing (ROFL) at these two most pregnant photos (the Gusty photos): without their existence SP could have made a better case for saying "I was always just v small during the pregnancy." A better case, but not a good-enough case. ROFL! ROFL!

That's why the photos are so compelling: there's not much you can do about an authentic photo. You can fake being preg, but you can't explain being unpreg (in an authentic photo) when you were supposed to be preg. ROFL! ROFL!

It's likewise fine with me that SP and her folks are reading this.

Go AKPetMom! -- you are so right. I wonder if they will use my suggestion for Feb, on my timeline? Didn't any of you like that? I just thought it was a little gem! I think it should be another fake one, and then no problem with a late-term miscarriage, since they haven't actually used that option so far.. But I'm sure they will come up with a way better idea, just like you said, AKPetMom.

teal said...

This High Definition video profiles the start of the 2008 IronDog Race
http://www.stage2studios.com/simpleplayer.php?media=Irondog_Palin

lots of footage of SP before the race….again NOT looking with/child…

Craig said...

Dangerous;

I guess you'll have to be "unsatisfied" then.

Because if you revert back to the context of that timeframe of the Daily Kos diarist rumours, it's logical of the McCain/Palin campaign to surmise that those initial Bristol pregnancy stories and their link to Trig, could be muted by simply revealing that Bristol is currently pregnant. And yes, they would have had to do it soon enough anyways.

Of course, this method of clarification works easiest if you are assuming that Sarah is actually Trig's birth mother (I realize that is a non-starter here).

Most people are going to accept an answer that seems straightforward, on its face. A birth certificate as an immediate response to an internet story might have seemed unnecessary or even oddly excessive, at that time. And as it turned out, most of the media and public has accepted the given explanation, or at least allowed Sarah the benefit of the doubt.

Unless, of course, a credible source ever pops up to say otherwise.

Amy1 said...

For anyone who thinks SP has had her 15 min and is history, here is a McClatchy paper's (yeah, I know, McClatchy) early take:

"Held in the heart of Washington, D.C., at the Capital Hilton, within sight of the White House, the Alfalfa Club dinner was "a coup" for Palin, said Letitia Baldrige, who served as the White House social secretary and chief of staff to Jacqueline Kennedy.

"It's something that everybody who's anybody in politics wants to be invited to," Baldrige said.

If a roasting by the most powerful people in America is a sign you've made it, then Palin had clearly arrived. Or, at the very least, had been acknowledged as one of the most interesting women in American politics.

The outgoing president of the Alfalfa Club, Sen. Joe Lieberman of Connecticut, teased Palin in a way allowable only for a fellow veteran of the vice presidential campaign trail.

"I was seriously being considered to be McCain's pick for vice president," said Lieberman, Al Gore's 2000 running mate and a former Democrat who campaigned for Sen. John McCain this year.

"But then John called me," Lieberman said. "As he always does, he got right to the point. He said, 'Joe, I can't do it. I need more than just a pretty face.' "

"I was so close. As close as Alaska is to Russia. You could almost say that from my doorstep I could see the Vice President's mansion," he said."

Amy1 said...

More from the front:

"Of course this being a political crowd in a political town after the ultimate political year, Obama got in a few campaign yuks.

. . . To Palin, Obama expressed surprise to see her with such members of the Washington elite she railed against during the campaign. Or, as he termed it in language Palin is familiar with, “palling around with this crew.” "

Amy1 said...

SP arrives at Alfalfa dinner -- video.

This is a pretty nothing 1-31-09 article, but the comments are fascinating, scary, all of it. People who love her, people who hate her. Many variations of "stupid as a ______."

I was going to put a link to the "how can a 6+ pound baby develop in 5 weeks?" graphic, but the comments were closed after 3 hrs for this article.

Folks: her 15 minutes are not over yet. Not by a long shot.

wayofpeace said...

from DAILY_KOS:

Sarah Palin is hilarious.

From her new PAC website:

Dedicated to building America's future, supporting fresh ideas and candidates who share our vision for reform and innovation.

So what are those fresh ideas?

Well, there's a "Donate Today!" button, and a "About Sarah" button, and a place to sign up for emails. Are those ideas? Because really, that's all the site has.

Yup, about as vapid as Sarah herself.

Truthseeker2 said...

Amy1, good work assembling information; but you've still got the last date wrong on your photo page -- it's April 13th for the pregnant photo, not April 17th.

wayofpeace said...

BTW,

did SP claim that she would be a speaker at the ALFALFA diner?

she was NOT!

luna1580 said...

Doubting Thomas-

"Bristol being the oldest, remembers what Mommy was like before she got into politics,"

-actually track is the oldest (one year ahead of bristol) but she is the oldest girl.

also, sarah became mayor when bristol was just 6, and was a wasilla city council member since bristol was 2. most people don't remember much before they were about 4, at the earliest, so i think it's safe to say that the palin kids have known "political mom" to one degree or another their whole remembered lives.

but i do feel bad for bristol too, she always looks like this was not the life she wanted, in pictures.

luna1580 said...

Amy1-

i, too, see no reason for anyone to "out" anyone for their ideas (a la don g's suggestion), we can read the ideas themselves and all think what we may.

but i disagree with your thinking that the other amy (it really IS a common name) was trying some "red herring" type bait with this:

"Anonymous amy said...
We need to focus on actually talking to people in Alaska such as Dan Carpenter and Andrea Gusty rather than concentrating on this weak evidence such as low-res photos.
These "nail in the coffin" photos are no such things -- we need to get answers from real people who were around Palin during her "pregnancy."
Can someone call or email them in the name of journalism?"

i too advocated emailing/imploring gusty directly (before her "news update response") about who took the photos, if they were on her personal camera how did she believe they got on flickr, etc.

because the gusty pics actually are very low-res, and i wanted to hear what gusty would actually say before i branded her as some devious-coconspirator.

i still think that it will probably take someone in AK speaking up for the MSM to come back to this story. if pictures alone would do it, i think "the nail" pic should have interested more people than andrew sullivan.

-speaking of sullivan, some comment on this thread dismisses specifically him as ignoring this story. this is incorrect, he's practically the only person who could squeeze into the MSM category who HAS covered this with a skeptical mind, and he was mocked for doing so. give him some credit!

the idea of trying to ask key players in this mess direct questions if we can is a good one. they might lie or give "no comment," but it would only add to what we know which is never bad.

also just because someone here fails to subscribe to every single pet theory does not make them a palinite! we all think certain ideas are more or less likely, based on the slim evidence we actually have, and that's allowed. for this reason i dislike it when comments begin "ok, we all agree..." -we don't need to all agree, just all be civil and all try to keep the facts as straight as we can :)

p.s. hi craig. i thought you'd left us ;)

and audrey, get well soon! i've been sick this week as well :(

Palin Pregnancy Truth said...

Jeannie, I would not be surprised if the Heath photo took place later or was staged with a different baby at Mat-Su.

Also, Lisa Demers interviewed CBJ about 3 weeks before the Wild Ride. Interesting that she was willing to talk to Demers a few weeks before but after that it was considered harassment.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/360258.html

Anonymous said...

Well said, AKMom. Regarding Sarah's threat to us and her intelligence:

What I most fear are people with "no there there." They're the ones, like Bush, with gaping black personality holes due to neurosis, psychosis, religious fanaticism, or some other life disorder. These are the people who can shape-shift at will (or at the coaching of a Rove svengali), remaking themselves for the moment. That's why Palin's so dangerous.

She can become anything anyone wants her to be, just show her the telepromter.

We may laugh at the Wasilla-Hillbilly. But a woman who will throw her daughter under the bus, throw her political partner under the bus, and blithely fake a pregnancy is capable of anything. Can there be a terrorist more dangerous than that?

KaJo said...

Amy1 said @ 1:06 AM 2/1/09: [...] This is a pretty nothing 1-31-09 article, but the comments are fascinating, scary, all of it. People who love her, people who hate her. Many variations of 'stupid as a ______.' I was going to put a link to the "how can a 6+ pound baby develop in 5 weeks?" graphic, but the comments were closed after 3 hrs for this article." [...]

Now the entire article isn't at the URL site, Amy1. Another anti-Palin Web site scrubbed...

------------------

Comment further on your observations about the Heaths, PalinPregnancyTruth:

I've been wondering about Chuck and Sally Heath ever since I found out they originally moved from Sand Point, Idaho to Alaska when Sarah Heath Palin was a toddler.

Not very much farther south than Sand Point, which is in the upper Panhandle of Idaho, there are numerous conclaves and towns pretty much taken over by survivalists and anarchists, who don't attract the attention of MSM but whom most troopers and cops know of and keep an eye on. (OF COURSE the MSM doesn't pay any attention! Not until law enforcement comes in direct contact with the survivalists, then it's "aw, those poor people, threatened by The Man!")

Anyway, I'm pretty willing to believe that Chuck and Sally Heath aren't unwitting naive pawns in their daughter's ambition. I think they're every bit as complicit as she is in these devious goings-on.

I agree with you about the Heath photo. All is not as it seems there.

And THAT could be the watchword for nearly all of Palin's activities, officially and personally...all is not as it seems.

(my word verification is "nohosin" :) )

Truthseeker2 said...

I just looked again at the photo of Bristol in the convenience store, and I think it's a non-starter that the photo was taken anytime except during the fall of 2008. Note that the guy in the foreground is wired, just like Secret Service agents are in other photos. I also looked again at the photos of Bristol walking into the church after the fire, and she looks pretty pregnant in those as well.

onething said...

Ivyfree,

"I just wanted to say that in my experience, left liberal New Age hippies tend to believe quite strongly in the truth."

Oh, that was a joke. By left, new-age liberal hippie - I meant myself!

Dangerous--

I suppose that if the real due date was mid May, and if the girl wore a big coat into the luncheon and removed the coat only after being shown to her seat, and didn't walk around mingling afterward, that it is possible to have gone unnoticed. Risky though. As for the hotel, that's not a problem at all.

And it would also fit in with a scenario in which when Sarah went to Texas she wasn't anticipating the birth, and had to rush home to meet the baby at Mat-Su, quite possibly not making it in time to ever show us the BC because the baby came on the 17th, and also doing a poor job of creating the wild ride story.
It makes sense to me that the DS was not known before the birth, nor was he significantly premature, or else they would have gone to Anchorage.

Windy City Woman said...

I like this quote from Lieberman:

"But then John called me," Lieberman said. "As he always does, he got right to the point. He said, 'Joe, I can't do it. I need more than just a pretty face.'"

Yeah, but that's all he got.

Have you folks heard that there are internet rumors that Michelle Obama is pregnant? At least, as a married woman in her 40's Mrs. O. can probably handle rumors better than a teenager. I'm not commenting on the veracity of those rumors, just mentioning them.

B said...

Doubting Thomas, you say the fact that it was the McCain campaign rather than Palin who said that Bristol was 5 mos. along and that that was being announced to counter the Trig rumors, is significant in allowing Palin to truthfully deny she said those things.

What I wonder is whether it undermines my/our argument that Sarah is obligated to prove Tripp's existence since Tripp was used to disprove the Trig rumors.

Is she obliged to prove what McCain campaign aides said?

An ethical but moot point, since it is clear she has no intention of proving Tripp was born 12/27.

If it is ever shown that Tripp wasn't born 12/27 then she clearly is responsible for having the Governor's office issue a false statement. And her motive would look like disproving Bristol gave birth to Trig, thus another lie.

Rob G. said...

My suggestion of informing Audrey or Morgan of anyone who sounded like a Palinite was not a suggestion to start publicly questioning each other at all. It was a suggestion that those of us who noticed inconsistencies in what certain people were saying could perhaps notify the mods here. If Morgan doesn't want that to happen then that's fine and I understand how it could encourage frivolous backbiting if it was nothing but unfounded suspicions. I could have perhaps wrongly assumed that everyone could rise above that but that certainly may not be the case.

mdlw56 said...

Well, the last time I posted a comment was last night on another site dealing with Palin issues and today, that site has been taken down.

I think if all the pictures are lined up chronologically as well as by subject, the world will see that numerous lies have been told. And, I believe there are pictures that should be dismissed...like the zoo picture. The size of the small child's arm looks unnatural.

Palin did not grow a belly in 4 weeks time; nor did Bristol in much less time.

I do not believe Palin could have birthed a child after hearing of that wild ride. Nor do the pictures support her claim. Oh, there is one picture, but that alone does not explain away all the rest of the pictures.

Regarding Bristol, she dropped out of school in February. Why take a chance of putting her in a public school the second semester 4 months pregnant just to drop out a month or so later? What about gym class? None of that really makes any sense. And there is a picture of her at the Arkansas State Fair where Trig is being held by Sarah. The info I read said the picture was the last week of August. And I recently found another picture of Bristol that was in the latter part of July. All her pictures look like a normal teenager - not a breast feeding mom. Then you have the campaign pictures. Put them all together and they will tell the tale.

I do not believe that either are Trig's birth mother. And if the young lady was pregnant as was told to the world, she was not 5 months along. As a matter of fact, her pictures are even stranger than SP's.

And for the People magazine to announce a birth without a photo of a newborn baby with the family...I guess that was the answer...there was no baby.

I did view the picture of the baby in the announcement that belonged to Amber and Levi at the hospital. I noticed that the weight was 9 lbs...oh, it could have been a typo...but the baby did not look like a six pound baby to me. And I would also mention that the picture of SP holding Trig at the baby shower, I think that is where it was...anyway, she is holding Trig towards the camera...that picture of him looks older than just a few days. I would say like 6 weeks old. Makes the picture look out of place somehow. Maybe it was made later. Oh, but what do I know.

So, back to the very start...who is Trig's mother?

luna1580 said...

i could be wrong, but i thought "who is trig's mother?" was only an important question if the answer proves to be "not sarah palin."

i thought the point here was to determine, if possible, if SP's trig pregnancy was a fraud. if it was, the world needs to know because it shows facets of her character the voting public should be aware of.

if the mother is another private citizen i think it is only our business as far as it plays into the curious case of sarah's belly.

luna1580 said...

don g-

if you see logic errors in people's arguments that seem important i don't see why you shouldn't point them out.

NOT as personal attacks, but merely by by saying "people (generic, not by name) have noted if X then A. to me this doesn't make sense, i think if X then Z, and here's why." there's nothing wrong with catching an honest mistake and letting us correct it.

that way we can all discuss the arguments, not each other.

sandra said...

Ennealogic:

I found the video of the SoS address with Todd and Trig in the audience. Youtube.com/watch?v=EqZHsWZSqVU. It is at 3:22. Hope that works for you.

sandra

Anonymous said...

In his last post, Don G said:

" I could have perhaps wrongly assumed that everyone could rise above that but that certainly may not be the case."


And now, Don, you may correctly assume that you are getting on the moderator's last nerve by insulting the general readership of this blog. Not wanting to spy on one another does not indicate pettiness, but a lack of it.

I had a more detailed ready for you, Don G., but Luna1580 not only beat me to the punch but said it better than I could have. So, in lieu of my answer to you, I'm just going to cut-and-paste what she said. I suggest you read it. Again.

Luna1580 said:

"don g-

if you see logic errors in people's arguments that seem important i don't see why you shouldn't point them out.

NOT as personal attacks, but merely by by saying "people (generic, not by name) have noted if X then A. to me this doesn't make sense, i think if X then Z, and here's why." there's nothing wrong with catching an honest mistake and letting us correct it.

that way we can all discuss the arguments, not each other."

omo said...

Alex -- you are SO right. Unless people have personal experience with this chameleonlike personality type, they really have no idea . . .

Already Sarah has responded to the question a couple weeks ago of 'how would things have gone if you had been the Democratic VP' with a confident "Oh, I think they would have loved me !" My eighty five year old mother had a serious case of cognitive dissonance after hearing that . . .

And now she is lying again over refusing the invite to a Republican shindig back East -- because -- get this -- SHE HAD TO STAY IN ALASKA THIS WEEKEND (Story on Huffingtonpost.com mainpage)

When in actuality she is already in WDC at very public events ! Apparently this discrepancy does not concern her in the least. OR she is TRYING to get called out on her behavior. Why such a blatant and unnecessary and obvious lie ?

luna1580 said...

glad you liked my wording morgan! i'm home sick and my car is stuck in the snow/mud out front, so i've been on this blog a lot this weekend :)

diana-

according to mapquest:

http://tinyurl.com/aoqpjs

you are totally correct. 44.1 miles, 52 minutes drive time from ted steven international airport, anchorage to mat-su regional medical center, palmer.

the drive must be weather dependent, but 45min.-an hour sounds right on. perhaps a local like AKpetmom can confirm?

onething said...

mdlw56 said,

"Regarding Bristol, she dropped out of school in February. Why take a chance of putting her in a public school the second semester 4 months pregnant just to drop out a month or so later?"
It is unclear to me whether she went to school again in January. Diana indicates she did not. But I can think of a reason. She was switched out of the school where she was most known, with the explanation that she was transferring schools. That would decrease any suspicions. Then, in the new school, she goes as long as she can, and drops out, possibly with mono or whatever, hopefully in a less noticed way.

I think the zoo picture is a bust. It does not even clearly look like Bristol.

Regarding the baby born to Amber and Levi - this again seems like a red herring. That baby looks nothing like Trig. It's also supposed to be a girl...

LondonBridges said...

Maybe the most logical reason why Sarah's niece (Lauden?)traveled with the Palin's during the presidential campaign is that she is Trig's mother and wanted to be near her son.
Has this been closely considered?

Amy1 said...

Diana -- thank you for your personal story. I think it's very much ON topic, and I think you are so right.

indy_girl said...

I suspect the MySpace page comments about the "nefu" are NOT about a baby born in December, but are about --> baby Trig <--. While mercede was clearly allowed to see him when he was first born and he turned up in pics with her, now her whole family is off limits, probably due to Sherry J's drug bust and the negative press it gave Sarah.

mdlw56 said...

Diane @ 2:31

I found one mention of the school year in the Daily News...the article was dated in 09/08:

"Mark Okeson, the assistant principal at Wasilla High School, told the Chicago Tribune that Bristol started her junior year last fall, in the town where Sarah Palin grew up.

"He said Bristol inexplicably transferred to an Anchorage high school midyear, leaving Levi behind.

"'I never heard the story why,' he said."

Midyear...odd way of putting it.... It is my understanding that she attended school in January and February of 2008. If this young lady was pregnant, she would have known by Christmas she was having a DS child and the due date was mid-May which has been the latest date given.

And if Levi dropped out in March and went to the North Slope ... would he have done so less than two months before the baby was expected to be born? Thus, taking the chance of not being there when the baby was born? After all, he could have studied and taken his GED during that time. Or, was he sent to keep him away from seeing Bristol? I don't know...it all seems odd.

Amy1 said...

KaJo: the article is still on the site, here, but I see that they changed the date in the URL from my original last night (01-31) to 02-01. The comments look roughly the same. I was shocked by their vulgarity and strong feelings pro and con SP -- in the face of the fact of her being honored by invite to attend the Alfalfa.

Diana: thank you for your story. A lot of wisdom, and you put it so well. Very much ON topic, in my opinion.

jeanie -- you asked "Why did you say "(And Katie Couric gave SP the oppty to say “I read the NYT, WaPo, HBR, etc., for my info.”—Amy1)" under Sept 2007?" My ill-stated point was that for such a great liar, Couric gave SP the perfect moment to make her lack of reading a non-issue: she could have answered with a conventional lie ("I read a, b, c."). But here's just one more example of finding proof for something that has long been intuitively obvious to all of us: SP is not a reader! So she could have fixed that right then with a better answer than "newspapers and all the publications." And now we see that "Devious Housewives" aired this episode where a Mom fakes a preg to rescue her daughter. So now we have data: SP gets her info/inspiration from sit-coms. Okay, okay: benefit of the doubt for SP -- it's just a huge coincidence. An uncanny foreshadowing. Sort of like a trout in the milk.*

jeanie: yes SP did complain about the media just recently, but she also did right after the election was over, in her speaking binge after losing (that made some people wonder if she thought she had won): Here it is, at 9:38.


___________
*well you know I have to give you the historical anecdote, too:

When Jackie Kennedy was interviewed in her Georgetown house during Jack's campaign, she was asked "Has JAck been doing any reading?" and she answered in her child-like overly serious way (which told you how ridiculous she thought her answer was going to be) "Oh, no, he's been too busy talking!" This was a spit-up-your-drink-though-your-nose unexpected laugh for me. Of course, it was intuitively clear (and well documented) that both Kennedys were voracious readers.

This was before they shut Jackie up so she would not show her sly wit and huge intelligence, which were viewed as political liabilities at that time. What a world!

This video used to be on youtube but I see that it has been deleted for the "violate terms of service" thing. I wish I could find it. Jackie is PG with John and is wearing the most saggy baggy maternity dress. I bet she saw that video and vowed to look better from then on (and so she did).

Truthseeker2 -- thx for Apr 14 vs 17 again. I have it changed on my original, but it's SO hard for me to change it on the web. But soon I will do it. Thanks!

Spirit said...

Ok I want to add my two cents. it is my first time posting here and I have read along every now and then. But wasn't it rumored that the reason Bristol Palin wasn't in school after the holidays was that she had MONO...so why would she be around all those people at a lunch if she was too sick for school

Sorry if this has been touched before. I didn't sure much for it and didn't have much time my baby needed me. Thanks.

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luna1580 said...

diana-

your timing was right on (see my comment a few up.)

but why did you want to confirm the travel time between anchorage airport and mat-su regional?

-i mean this in utmost sincerity! did you notice something about the travel time that supports/eliminates something? i'm totally curious! every mind that mulls over this story might find a new and important thing :)

good work, everyone :)

luna1580 said...

to all-

as discussed here in depth earlier, we CANNOT substantiate the rumor that bristol ever had mono.

if you can find a source please reveal it! for now, we know she had an "interesting" school attendance record, but no proof of mono.

Burgh said...

*** B said...
NY tabloid chick,

Just wanted to thank you for your many and valuable insights. If you are still with us, can more of the MSM be far behind? (OK, don't answer that!)***

Thanks to you as well, all of you! I still remember that day of the announcement that Bristol was pregnant... I was away from the TV and my brother told me over the phone, and I remember telling him, wow, isn't that convenient for the Trig rumors? I found this site soon afterward and I've been hooked ever since.

I am unfortunately NOT in the story-generating side of MSM. But I am close enough to it that I am whispering in a lot of ears, all the time. Trust me, we are not alone! The issue is the gap between 'we know there's a story here' and 'how do we make this a story without being mean?' The two problems with this story are 1, it involves a baby's parentage, and that's an area that's a bit of a minefield. There were months of blind items about a politician with a sick wife and a love child, but it took the National Enquirer to step up and blurt it out, finally. Even a famous expectant celeb couple (with a wife with a magic bump that put Sarah's to shame!) didn't get treated too roughly. Bump pictures were published, but the family did a photoshoot months later and speculation died down (no one in celeb media believes the celeb version of that story either; it's just not a sellable story anymore). And 2, tabloid media are loathe to destroy careers. The Enquirer published their story AFTER John Edwards was out of the race, for example, and speculation about the celeb parents centers around speculation about the secret sexuality of a leading man. MSM WILL eventually get to this story, but I think most of the players would love to be the second one in on the story so they don't look like the bad guys.

People will be busy for a bit with the Casey Anthony story, which I think will sell well for them (People is the most likely of the gossip mags to go into human interest stories like that). And they'll also do the crazy octuplet mommy story. So they're off the hot seat insofar as producing that Tripp feature for a few weeks. I think a few emails to their website expressing disappointment in the Tripp story that hasn't materialized might cause them a bit of consternation; everyone's hurting for sales, and they don't want to think they're losing sales by not providing the Tripp pix that everyone wants :). If it turns out the Palins nixed that story (and it's my unsupported hunch that they did), People may not be so inclined to be nice to them anymore (back in the early "who is Sarah?" days, US wasn't so nice to her and they heard it from readers; People was nice and they heard it too, with a sales bump) since her lack of cooperation might be hurting their sales.

Catherine said...

All of the Palin girls were supposed to have transferred to Juneau schools when SP became governor. I thought there was a basketball uniformed Bristol with Juneau on the jersey. So it makes sense that she left Wasilla for Juneau. Knowing teenager and the difficulties that come from moving one in high school especially if with love interest, there were likely to be a lot of problems with Bristol. That is likely to be why she ended up in Anchorage with her aunt. Clearly she was not so ill from mono that she was not up and about. I don't think kids who have mono are in total seclusion for as long as she was out of school. She did not go back to school for some reason, but was not so ill that she could not attend functions.

Was she pregnant then? Who knows? Haven't seen a single picture of her that even looks pregnant.

B said...

Re: Bristol and mono. That was a rumor, not a statement by a Palin. Audrey has discussed this. So as far as we know, Bristol was not sick when, or if, she went to Fairbanks in February.

Burgh said...

*** Lilybart said...
About the book: There are so many crazy Christianists that buy these books that there is market for whatever Palin would "write."

So don't underestimate the market for books by crazed theocons.

Although, I think coulter's new "book" is disappearing fast.***

It's not such a huge market. A lot of the theocon/neocon sites buy them up by the barrel and practically give them away. If you look at the NY Times bestseller list, some titles have a dagger symbol next to them (like, in the current list, Coulter's) that indicates bulk sales.

B said...

indy girl,

Sadie may have meant Trig when she said nefu, but earlier she called him her brother. We have no reason to think Sadie has switched to telling the truth about Trig and risking Sarah's ire.

On the other hand, Tripp is officially her nefu. She has been told that he was born, as we all have been told, and she hasn't been allowed to see him, just as we haven't -- because he hasn't been born.

But not knowing that, because she's not in the loop on Tripp, she thinks the Palins are dissing her. (Which wouldn't be smart of them because she seems to be in the loop on Trig and might leak.)

So my vote is still that by "nefu" Sadie means Tripp.

B said...

LondonBridges,

Lauden has been considered a candidate for Trig's mom, as has a so-called girlfriend of Track's who travelled as a sitter with the campaign, as have Willow, Molly, Sherry, Sadie, and a non-existent girlfriend of Todd. Maybe others.

Eliminating the possibility of Bristol as Trig's mom would not mean Sarah gave birth to Trig. There are other candidates. But I don't think we need to nose around in their lives for a pregnancy yet.

Burgh said...

***Alex said...
Tabloidchick,

One more thing. 15 years ago my sister worked as an actress in Hollywood. She knew lots of A-list actors, and she told me that if I wanted the truth about what was going on, to read the Enquirer. Her tip was It Happens First in the Enquirer; two weeks later in People.

She went on, that the Enquirer was fearless and had no one monitoring its propriety, BUT that they did have excellent lawyers and never printed what they couldn't substantiate.

I have an MA in English from the U. of Virginia and a literary agent in London, but I never pass an Enquirer in the checkout line that I don't think of what my sister said. AND read the cover.

You tabloid folks may be the only real reporters left. Thank you (and Audrey) for the work you do.***

Hey, knowing all of you guys are NOT giving up makes me know I have to keep digging. If I were a reporter with the Enquirer, I'd be begging for them to put me on a plane to AK!!!

To limit liability, stories where I work are at least double sourced, sent to lawyers, sent to representatives of the subjects etc. I assume that's true of all tabs; the paucity of lawsuits speaks to the careful vetting of stories. Not that every word turns out to be 1000% true, but it's not invented out of thin air.
That's one reason the Bristol pregnancy rumors from before Trig's birth speak volumes to me. Rumors almost always come from somewhere, and if they turn out to be false, they die on their own without a two-year bizarro world coverup trailing them.

Ivyfree said...

"not only did she attend the luncheon, she also attended a reading event at an elementary school!!
With Mono!!!!"

The reason mono is called "the kissing disease" is that it's spread through saliva. Either through kissing, or using an infected person's unwashed eating utensil, such as eating with their fork or drinking out of their glass. It can be spread through mucous, which means if the infected person has a cough, they might pass it along.

Just being around somebody with mono is not enough to catch it. And if it was just a luncheon, and Bristol felt well enough to attend and wasn't coughing... there's no reason why she shouldn't go.

That's IF she had mono, which has never been confirmed, and I don't think it's even been sourced. So it's not impossible that she could have attended the luncheon... but I tend to think she stayed home pregnant and one of the cousins "played" her in their little psychodrama. It's would have been easy enough for SP to say, "I brought the girls"...gestures..."They're so interested. I hope you don't mind." She wouldn't even have to introduce them by name.

onething said...

"Maybe the most logical reason why Sarah's niece (Lauden?)traveled with the Palin's during the presidential campaign is that she is Trig's mother and wanted to be near her son."

Yeah, well why couldn't her own mother, who was not a sitting governor, fake the pregnancy for her?

I mean, what kind of mother does she have?

For some reason, I feel compelled to take on red herrring duty.

mdlw56--

I don't know why Bristol would know about the DS baby by December. Not everyone gets an amnio.
As to Levi dropping out of school, I have noticed that several people seem to think he did it for Bristol and the baby but I doubt it. He did it because he wanted to. He would have been through with high school by now while she lived with her parents. There is no indication he wants to get married.

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

TruthPatrol said...
What is with the orange cap Pepsi comments? If you are talking about the one in the convenience store with the secret service man in the picture then it was fall of 2008!


Because the photo said it was Autumn 2008, however people on the blog have said the orange tops were only in validation around December 2007 - which would fit the Bristol as Trig's mam theory.

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

Does anyone have a link to the photos after the Church fire with Bristol looking pregnant? I've never seen them.

Daniel Archangel said...

Craig,

I think it is reasonable to assume that the GOP operatives that drafted and released the statement on Sept 1 were no more curious than necessary. They were clearly aware of the Daily Kos posting and related cheerleading on other blogs.

I can imagine this scene (leaving out any equivocation):

GOP OP: Gov. Palin, is there any truth to these internet rumors? They seem to be going crazy on this and there were some stories at the time that are raising questions.

GOV PALIN: The rumors are false! Of course I'm the mother of Trig!!

GOP OP: Well, we have to say something or its going to be picked up by the mainstream media.

GOV PALIN: They're saying that Bristol is Trig's mother, right?

GOP OP: Yes.

GOV PALIN: Bristol is about five months pregnant now. How can she have given birth to Trig four months ago?

GOP OP: That's right. Everyone will do the math and that will kill the story, I think.


It wouldn't take more curiosity than that, just like a lawyer defending a guilty client by not questioning too much. Therefore, GOP operatives may not be sources of any facts, although I don't think they are stupid. Based on the nonsense they aggressive sold about SP's "executive experience", they were probably good soldiers who didn't want to know the truth.

Andrew Sullivan's reporting on his exchanges with them on this topic are illustrative of what I'm suggesting of the dynamics.

Dangerous

mdlw56 said...

@B @8:51

Eliminating the possibility of Bristol as Trig's mom would not mean Sarah gave birth to Trig. There are other candidates. But I don't think we need to nose around in their lives for a pregnancy yet.
------

After rumors were going around that Bristol was the mother of Trig, the focus was put on Bristol by her own mother.

Adoption would be a private matter of the birth mother, a private citizen, as it should be. And blogging about a private citizen could cause legal action. Public figures are viewed differently. So it is safer to only discuss public figures, the Palin family and Levi Johnston, as they were all on stage. Okay, I just learned that, and I wanted to pass that on.

What is important is whether or not SP adopted a DS child and used the child for promoting herself for her own political gain.

The pictures and wild ride said SP did not give birth to Trig. But what said it the loudest was SP telling the world that Bristol was expecting to prove Trig was hers and not Bristol's. That told me that Trig was not SP's. After all, what mother would use an unwed teenage daughter's pregnancy to prove her own pregnancy to the world? All she had to do was provide medical records which were expected from a candidate and had been requested anyway, or a birth certificate. Being like a mother bear as SP has referred herself to, I don't think so. Of course, Bristol's pregnancy would have been announced sometime later if McCain had won the election. But that was putting the cart before the horse.

It should be obvious that there must be something in the medical records or something missing from the medical records that SP did not want the world to see. And she threw her daughter under the bus instead for a diversion.

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onething @11:09

I don't know why Bristol would know about the DS baby by December. Not everyone gets an amnio.
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Sarah said she knew at 13 weeks that the fetus had DS; and she also said in December is when she first knew.

Lilybart said...

National Enquirer: my private equity company invested in the NE's parent company. The first thing we did was check the legal liability costs.

Guess what? They don't get sued much and almost no one wins.

We may disagree with WHAT they choose to print, but what they print IS TRUE.

Craig said...

Lilybart;

The Equirer actually gets sued a fair amount of the time. They don't outright lose much (e.g. other than Gary Condit, I believe) because they often end up settling out of court. But yes, suits often get dropped too, because the Enquirer has enough truth to make their target uncomfortable with the idea of going to court.

They swing and miss a lot, but they do have enough of a credible track record to keep people from totally blowing them off when they break a story. But their "sources" often end up being weak or compromised. For example, the whole "Sarah having an affair with Todd's ex-business partner" supposedly got dropped because the source was a disgruntled relative of that infamous Alaskan trooper, and nothing backed it up.

They seem to have been trying as hard as anyone, since August to break loose something juicy about the Palin's. Other than stories of Track's issues, I don't recall hearing much from them that might have had any legs at all.

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

Diana;

I've looked at your photos and couldn't see the Church photos; I looked at the end like you said and I couldn't see anything. I did look through and do a search for church in your listing but nothing came up. Sorry for being so stupid.

B said...

dipsy, I saw the "church photos" at Diana's flickr site. You may have been looking for the outside or inside of a church. It's just a few people walking toward the door of a building where services were being held after the fire.

Todd is carrying Trig, Bristol is or isn't looking very pregnant depending on opinion, and the woman in yellow with the coffee cup is probably a family member, like Lauden, or friend.

My opinion is that Bristol does look very pregnant, a month more so than the election day photo, but more like 7 mos. than 8+.

MrsTarquinBiscuitbarrel said...

This is my first comment, though I've been following this story avidly from the very beginning--and just found this website today. (Dinner will be a little late.) Rather than replowing ground that you all have presented magnificently (dating colored Pepsi caps?! W@W!), let me add a couple of comments made from the perspective of a housewife/ex-journalist who lives in Washington, D.C. First of all, I have encountered no men and very few childless women who have any interest at all in Trig, Tripp, etc. Those of us who HAVE given birth see warning flags at every turn. Here in D.C., David Gregory (newly named as host of "Meet the Press") swallowed whole SP's "wild ride" from Texas to Alaska, with astonished "amazement" at what was presented as a faux-Superwoman stunt. Every mother has said, "Fly all that way after her water breaks?! Even a little?? Bypass the ONLY hospital with the NICU??" Those of you who say that the MSM has little money or patience to investigate the obstetrical history of either Palin are correct. Many editors consider this beside the point and (their expression, not mine) "mean-spirited." The absence of any photos or reporting on the Possibly Mythical Tripp is most telling. Believe me, if the National Enquirer could verify everything you all have said, they would have. Trouble is, SP is news even when she does nothing. And the fact that SP lied and blew off the Republican meeting last weekend to dine first with Fred Malek, and then attend the Alfalfa dinner speaks directly to her obsession with being "in with the in crowd," while professing to be Governor Outsider. Fred Malek is a dirty-trickster from way back. Not only has he been thoroughly documented as Richard Nixon's staff "Jew-counter," transcripts of the tapes of the Oval Office discussions have been posted by Timothy Noah www.slate.com. That's right: Nixon's anti-Semitism justified (to him) having a staffer dedicated to looking into which Jews were in what positions in government--just in case they were all agin' him. (Since 2004, Malek also has donated more than $37,000 personally to Republican candidates, including McCain--exact figures available at www.fundrace.org.) There's no wilier tag team than Malek, and Karl Rove, to help advise SP on avoiding or deflecting information that may be damaging to her political ambitions. SP has gotten her taste for the national spotlight whetted, and she's not stopping. This site, and all of you who contribute to it, will help keep a hypocrite and liar who uses her family as living, breathing body armor from advancing farther on the national political scene. Thanks to you all!

luna1580 said...

MrsTarquinBiscuitbarrel -

welcome to the discussion. there is a lot to take in here. don't forget the main site attached to this blog as well.

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

I saw them B; I had saw them first time I looked at the photos; and yes I was looking for the inside or outside of a church. Thank you :)

sandra said...

To Mrs. Biscuitbarrel: I strongly agree with you that this topic is much more interesting to women because birth itself is so important to us. We identify with it from the time we receive our first doll.

When my son was six in the late 60's, I made up a game for his birthday party similar to charades. Each boy was to act out an adult profession. The little boy who drew "father" had no idea of what to do. I coached him to do a rocking baby motion. I've wondered if a little girl would have had the same problem. But I digress...

We know that if a woman lies about birthing or shows disregard for the safety of her unborn child, she is not a person we would trust. We wouldn't choose to let her babysit our own children. What about being responsible for our country?

Men look for abuses of power and scandals involving sex or money to make judgements on trust. Our concerns are more fundamental.

sandra in oregon

samper said...

MSNBC just highlighted an UNauthorized biography on SP that supposedly goes into great detail about the pregnancy. It's called Trail Blazer. During the piece, they also showed clips of Bristol being interviewed by Greta Van Sustern (or whatever her name is).

Surprisingly, Bristol is as unable to form a coherent sentence as her mom, but I digress.

In the clip, she says that telling SP about the pregnancy was "harder than labor" and that teen pregnancy "isn't glamorous at all".

Then, they showed it! They showed a photo of Trigg and Tripp laying side by side together.

I'm certainly no baby expert and couldn't possibly determine their ages, but Trigg is decidedly much bigger than Tripp.

I'll try to find the photo for you guys to play around with.

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