Monday, February 16, 2009

The Purloined Letter...

…is Edgar Allan Poe’s famous story of the theft of a potentially damaging letter, and the clever way in which the amateur sleuth C. Auguste Dupin recovers the letter. Perhaps we “pathetic bloggers” are modern-day incarnations of Dupin, using our wits (and the Internet!) to try to solve the mystery of Trig Palin’s birth. In this spirit, let’s turn our attention back to another letter – this one is not “purloined” but is suspicious and certainly deserves more attention than it has received in this real-life “detective story.”

The Purloined Letter, like the CBJ letter, is a wonderful play between revelation and concealment. CBJ's letter would appear to be something simple but close examination reveals that the structure and contents are actually highly suggestive (one could say convoluted) and open to many interpretations.

To review: after delaying for weeks, at 10:30 p.m. on November 3, 2008, barely hours before Election Day, the McCain-Palin Campaign released a letter regarding Sarah Palin’s medical history. The odd timing of the release of this letter ensured that it would not receive any scrutiny prior to the election, and given their election defeat the next day, it has received little scrutiny since. In fact, ask most anyone who could be considered "pro-Palin," and they will tell you, indignantly, that of course Gov. Palin released her medical "records." In fact, she never did anything of the sort.

Questions surrounding the letter were raised several months ago on the blog, but I did not have the opportunity at the time to investigate or address them in any detail, so frankly, this issue went on the back burner. Then, in early January, there was an extraordinary email exchange between Governor Palin and the editor of the Anchorage Daily News, Pat Dougherty. These emails made clear that ADN had assigned reporter Lisa Demer to report on the conspiracy story itself, to document how, what Dougherty calls "nutty nonsense" has nevertheless persisted for so many months. In conjunction with this, Demer was to try to “report the facts of Trig's birth thoroughly enough to kill the nonsense once and for all.” The amazing thing is that the emails reveal that, despite contacting Dr. Baldwin-Johnson (and others), Demer still – as recently as two months ago - did not receive the information ADN needed to “put this nonsense to rest.”

How is one to interpret this? Reading between the lines, I believe that ADN contacted Dr. Baldwin-Johnson to corroborate the birth story on several occasions – but she has not, ever, in clear, simple, unequivocal terms, been willing to do so. This is - in fact - astonishing.

Cathy Baldwin Johnson has never given a simple statement that Trig Palin was born at Mat-Su Hospital on April 18th, that Sarah Palin is his biological mother, and that she - Dr. Baldwin-Johnson - was physically present at the delivery. She would not do this at the following junctures:
1. Back in April, when Trig Palin was allegedly born. She gave ambiguous statements to the press about the circumstances of the birth (several of which contradicted explicitly statements Gov. Palin made) and then she clammed up.
2. On August 31st (when announcing it would have scotched the necessity of announcing – the next day – seventeen year old Bristol's pregnancy);
3. In the letter released before the election
4. To the ADN in December when they asked AGAIN.

The questions that this leaves are astounding. Dougherty states unequivocally that he has no personal doubts that Sarah Palin is Trig Palin's mother, yet never is willing to confront – head on – the rank inconsistency that the Governor's own physician will not corroborate her birth story.

As a result, I decided that it was time to delve further into the questions raised by the letter, and Dr. Baldwin-Johnson’s involvement in this case. I asked one of my research assistants to summarize the problems with the letter; that summary is here. We are releasing it in pdf form as it is quite long - five pages - and contains numerous legal citations.

To summarize this pdf: This letter is the only documentation that has ever been provided by anyone about the circumstances of Trig Palin's birth. Yet it was not released by the doctor; it was not actually signed by the doctor; it has never been authenticated by the doctor; it contains information which the doctor could not know first-hand; it contains erroneous information; and most notably, it does not ever say that Sarah Palin gave birth to Trig Palin. The letter's unprofessional appearance, modified electronic signature and lack of clear factual statements give rise to numerous questions about its legitimacy, and some have suggested that these may be a deliberate ploy to allow Dr. Baldwin-Johnson “deniability” – that is, grounds to claim that she is not legally responsible for the letter.

The problems with the November 3rd letter raise new questions about Dr. Baldwin-Johnson’s involvement, not only with the letter, but with the entire mystery of Trig’s birth. It is time to explore the medical, ethical and legal issues regarding this case.

To be continued…

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B said...

Ginger, I think Bristol gave birth to both Trig and Tripp. I do not think Sarah gave birth to Trig.

Daniel Archangel said...

Diana said:

Maybe we need to summarize what we have compiled and take this to a more public level. I don't think we need the MSM to do this. I know someone who owns a production company who might be interested in developing a story. Maybe if you have put together enough information it could be put together in a documentary??


You also mentioned 'current theories', and stepping away from our bubble one can clearly see that the theories are getting crazier and crazier. That doesn't help us.

They borrowed an infant for the GVS interview? Such assertions with no supporting evidence and only supposition on supposition, and individuals' conjecture on body language to decide who's the mother of whom -- we might as well be consulting a Quija board. Sorry I'm so blunt. I'm choosing to ignore it.

Developing a story is a great idea, but we don't have enough facts for anything beyond an unsolved-mysteries type piece. That is, we have more questions than answers. So let me suggest this: Why does the story have to be non-fiction?

Here's a great story: A surprise female VP candidate has a hidden secret. She faked her pregnancy to cover for her teen daughter, and almost gets away with it. MSM ignores the story because it's against their code to investigate family matters. But the facts on the record include too many breadcrumbs for intrepid citizen journalists to ignore. They are dismissed as kooks and worse, but they are right.

Diana, if your production company friend wants to develop a story, tell him I've got one ready to go in about 30 days.

Dan

B said...

nir said, ". . . on all those planes? Wouldn't it have been obvious that she was pregnant or not?"

Remember, the flight attendant didn't say Palin's pregnancy was not obvious, just that "the stage" of her pregnancy was not obvious, and that was after Palin had said that her labor started in Dallas.

Curious said...

People keep saying that it would be impossible to hide a very premature Trig in an NICU somewhere because people would see various Palins coming and going from the hospital.

That would be true IF they were actually coming and going, but that may not have been the case.

Most people posting here are woman that have kids and I understand the view that no one could possibly stand to leave their very premie baby in the NICU and not look back.

That, however, is not always the case.

When I had my son, he was in NICU due to being born with pneumonia and his lungs were not as developed as they should have been for his gestational age.

We were allowed to be in the NICU for about 20 hours of the day (if one chose to be there that much). Parents were not allowed in 4 times per day for 1 hour each time at shift changes. Other than that, parents were encouraged to be there as much as they could and to do as much for their babies themselves as they wanted to.

The nurses were all very willing to teach parents to do many of the tasks that needed to be done. We learned how to unhook and rehook up various monitors and tubes if they became disloged with the baby moved etc.

Once my son was moved to this less critical area of NICU we were encouraged to take over his feedings and baths and we were taught how to do these things with the equipement he was hooked up to etc.

We spent as much time in the NICU as we could and became regular fixtures and got friendly with many of the nurses and saw other parents come and go on a fairly regular basis.

After a few days, I noticed that there were some babies that I had NEVER seen parents with. We were there many different times of day, including very early morning/very late nights and everything in between.

Finally, I asked one of the nurses I had become friendly with about some of the babies and was told that many of them NEVER had parents visit.

Some of them couldn't because the baby had been transferred from another hospital in a different town and they couldn't come for whatever reason, but called several times a day for updates.

Some, she said, the parents just couldn't deal with the whole NICU thing so they didn't come to visit the baby and just waited until it was released.

NICU is very hard to deal with as a new parent. I had a rough time the first few times and even had to leave a couple times because it was just really heartbreaking, but I got over it as time went on.

I'm sure that the NICU my son was in was pretty representative of most of them so I doubt that babies being put in NICU and having no parental visits was out of the ordinary.

Given that SP is All About SP All The Time, I have no trouble believing that she could have a premie in NICU and walk away without giving it much thought until that baby was ready to come home.

wayofpeace said...

Palin shuns spotlight to pick up the pieces / Walter Alarkon

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) is uncharacteristically shunning the spotlight this week in an apparent effort to repair damage to her political stature back home.

Even though just about every big-name governor and leading conservative will be in Washington this week, the former vice presidential candidate skipped this weekend's National Governors Association meeting and will be absent from the Conservative Political Action Conference later this week.

After suffering through a rocky month back home she spent Friday in rural Alaska, providing state aid to rural communities hit hard by food and fuel shortages.

"To a certain extent, she's doing damage control in western Alaska," said Anchorage-based pollster Ivan Moore.

Pain took a number of hits back home, some of them from fellow Republicans, during February.

They first criticized her for flying to Washington for the white-tie Alfalfa Club dinner, headlined by President Obama.

"There's no one more basic need than to feed Alaskans," state Sen. Jay Ramras (R) told local television station KTUU. "I have got little tolerance, and I bet they had a whole lot better dinner at the Alfalfa Club than what they're eating tonight in Emmonak and Kotlik."

...

Palin has remained popular with Alaskan voters, at least up until this month.

More than six in 10 Alaskans approve of the job she's been doing, which is about twice as many as those who disapprove, Moore said.

Ivyfree said...

"CBJ's letter was based on the structure of Obama's letter. His doctor reported:

"Laboratory studies included triglycerides of 44(normal under 150), cholesterol 173 (normal under 200), HDL 68 (normal over 40), and LDL 96 (normal under 130). Chem 24, urinalysis and CBC were normal, PSA was 0.6, very good. An EKG was normal."


Clearly this was to give basic information and highlight the contrast between Obama's health and McCain's... people were worried about Palin being one heart attack away from the Oval Office, well, Obama seems to be in good cardiac health.

Incidentally,it occurs to me that liver function studies are also do to evaluate liver status for Hepatitis C. Hepatitis C is a chronic condition that offers no symptoms until it's fairly advanced, which can take 20 years or more. Often, people don't know they have it until they have a blood test specifically fore Hepatitis C, say if they donate blood.

It crossed my mind because I've thought for some time that Bush looked like he has Hepatitis C... I saw a picture of him that was unretouched a few years ago and his skin tone looked like that of people I've seen getting interferon.

This is just speculation, but my mind went from liver function tests to hep c because of my personal belief about Bush's health. Hepatic function studies would certainly be called for if the patient was known to have Hepatitis C, because you would want to know how advanced the liver disease is. And Hepatitis C is often transmitted through substance abuse, either sharing a needle or using a shared straw while snorting cocaine. So it's something that Palin might want to keep quiet IF it's something she has. You could come up with a cover story for it.."I got Hep C via a blood transfusion.." but then you have to explain why you needed a blood transfusion in such a hurry that the blood couldn't be screened for Hep C, which would be usually done.

And why did she go through what, five colleges in five years while getting a broadcast journalism degree, anyway? Seems a little unfocused to me.

Ivyfree said...

Incidentally, my personal belief is that Bristol had both Trigg and Tripp. I think Trigg was born a week or ten days earlier than his official birthdate, which gave time for Bristol to rest up a bit before the official unveiling, and allows for time for his health to be evaluated. CBJ's position in dealing with abused girls enables her to help by concealing Bristol's identity. His planned discharge from the hospital pushed the wild ride, and the few days he was there gave Bristol a more rested appearance, explaining why she looked so well when the reporters saw her- remember one reporter said that Bristol obviously hadn't given birth a few hours ago. Well, she hadn't.

Then Bristol got pregnant again, because she was never taught about birth control, and hid it from her mom for a few months, because she'd already dealt with her parents and a pregnancy and wasn't looking forward to doing it again. She waited until it was too late for an abortion, which prolifers do have whether they want to admit it or not (do a search for "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"). Then Sarah, exasperated after all she'd done to deal with one pregnancy and protect her daughter's reputation and incidentally, her own as a Good Mother, decided that Bristol was just going to have to face the music and they decided to deal with it as a Young Girl From Good Family Can Make Mistake But Will Own Up To It and Become An Advocate for Pregnant Girls, How Dare You Criticize point of view. (I'd still like to know what she's going to advocate for, but a sweeping generalization is more in line with Palin's MO- she's hazy on the specifics.)

Tripp's birthdate is fudged. Sarah has used his projected birthdate to "prove" that Bristol didn't have Trigg, therefore, Tripp had to be born in December. It would have been nice if he HAD been born on the 27th, but his actual due date was about 3 weeks later. Therefore, he couldn't make an appearance until later, until nobody can say for sure. As has been pointed out here, the difference in appearance between a four-week baby and a seven-week baby, when they're snugly wrapped in blankets, is minimal. And Sarah, having gotten away with one baby escapade, realizes that it's possible to do it again.

I think Bristol was delivered at home by a nurse-midwife who has been firmly reminded of the importance of HIPAA to her career. That's why we don't know where he was born- if it was announced that he was born at a hospital, they know we'd be searching the online announcements. He had to be born at home or in a midwifery center.

I don't think we'll learn the details until one of the younger kids, Willow or Piper, grows up. Or until there's a dispute between Levi and Bristol and he goes public.

Brock Samson said...

midnightcajun -

"could buy the whole hiding-her-pregnant-belly-to -be-taken-seriously thing if she didn't make it a point after April 21st to drag that baby around with her every where she went. What about "men" not taking a woman with a baby in a nursing sling seriously? Or how about constantly dragging the whole gang up on stage with her?"


The photographic evidence suggests that at the very least, she drags Piper to every function she attends, no matter how inappropriate. How many photos have we seen of Piper posing with her mom in group photos of diplomats, business organizations and Alaskan civil groups? If Sarah was really concerned about a pregnancy undermining her authority, she wouldn't be dragging her youngest child around while she works.

KaJo said...

Diana said yesterday @ 6:28 PM
"Has anyone been able to pull still shots off the Greta interview with Bristol? I would appreciate it if you know how or can tell me how... so I can have copies for my photo archive. Help anyone??"

Diana, about pulling still shots off videotape:

1) you can go here for a quick tutorial on how-to, or,

Assuming you're working with Windows, there's an app called "Paint" that is for very basic graphic manipulation. You can find it in your Accessories folder when you go to All Programs from Start. Open Paint.

To perform a screen capture, pause the video at a point of your choice. Then press the Alt key with your left hand while pressing the Print Screen key with your right hand.

Transfer the image from your active Window to Paint by using Edit/Paste in the Paint program. You can crop the image from its surroundings using the Crop Tool in the graphic menu to the upper left of Paint, Cut it, then open a new Paint box and Paste it there, then Save it with an appropriate name.

KaJo said...

nir, I think long ago in one of the older entries here on Audrey's blog, there was a comment saying Sarah Palin said that she frequently flies coach because she's thrifty about spending Alaska's money (or something along those lines).

But I also think that during the time period from about February 2008 and April 2008 that Sarah Palin flew first class, to lessen her notoriety of "AK Governor flies coach while pregnant!" and having so many people eyeball her, some probably rather critically.

Obviously if she flew first class her retinue (Todd, probably 2-3 others) would take up half the seating there, and the restroom facilities would be both more convenient, and less observed by all but her retinue, whatever other passengers are in that section, and the attendants.

And if she truly WASN'T pregnant, she wouldn't even have to get up as many times as a pregnant woman would -- in fact, maybe not at all in the two 4-hour segments of her trip home to Alaska. In that case, no wonder the attendants didn't notice anything.

Jen said...

B- Right. That's my point, that she wouldn't have hidden a real pregnant belly because it doesn't fit her style. So those who think she hid it to avoid looking weak because she was pregnant aren't thinking big picture -- SP would have use the pregnancy to her advantage if it were real.

ajesquire said...

B, the labs reported by Obama's doc are not liver function tests or liver enzymes.

Liver enzyme tests are things like SGOT, SGPT, etc.

Tully said...

ajesquire and B --
Liver enzymes, such as SGOT and SGPT (newer terminology by the way is AST and ALT) would be included in the CHEM 24 listed in the Obama letter.

Amy1 said...

Curious: I had the exact same experience with NICU that you just described -- I had twins who were a little early, some complications, jaundice. I was in NICU almost full time for a week with them except for 4 hrs sleep/night on a lobby sofa. I called myself "the homeless Mom" because my suitcase and all my stuff was on a cart that I wheeled from place to place, since insurance covered only two nights for me (for a C-sect!), and I sure wasn't leaving without my babies. I too learned so much from the wonderful staff. And yes, now that you mentioned it, there were 6? other babies or cribs there. A few had daily visitors for a few minutes. Others had none. The crack baby in a special random-rocking crib had none. I had forgotten all that, so focussed was I on my own two little ones.

Amy1 said...

Hi Dangerous -- you are saying what I've been thinking, and wincing each time someone says "I believe," or "the body language proves conclusively," or "Dr CBJ owes us an expanation for . . . ."

I remind myself that it was via these intuitive opinions that we all started paying attention to this hoax, so I guess there's plenty of room on this blog for personal speculation and everyone's best style of contributing.

Just so long as we remember that we might have an opinion, and it might even be exactly spot-on, but unless we have proof, it adds up to zero. And we know how hard proof is to come by.

I feel the same way when people say Dr CBJ owes us (or owes the world) a, b, or c. I am convinced by the very fine posts of SEVERAL lawyerly contributors that CBJ owes nothing to anyone in any public forum as things stand.

I can also see that so long as there is any kind of rumor or speculation that the fires (the church, the nurse) might be some kind of retaliation -- this would sure be a motivator for most people (people with families, or loved ones, or pets, or houses, or a job) to keep quiet. Whether true or false, such speculation is plenty scary.

Ditto sandra: ". . .it should not be a stigma . . ." may be true, but it is not the case. However much we might wish it to be true, remember Eagleton, who was a VP candidate, and whose psych-medical treatment info became public? He had to resign. Sure that was then, but it's still a minus.

B said...

ajesquire, yeah, I know. And CBJ also had to know Obama's stats weren't liver tests. Do you think she had data in her letter about other "routine" blood tests done on Palin, like cholesterol, and Palin took that out, just leaving the dangling liver comment?

Duncan said...

Diana,

For stills from a Windows Media Player video, you might try this:

http://tinyurl.com/cf8rm8

duncan

B said...

Tully,
Thanks for explaining Chem24. Sounds like CBJ was following the Obama letter, saying why she had no Chem24 to report. Makes me more suspicious a reference to other blood work was removed. Otherwise the liver reference begs too many questions of why it's there.

Ginger said...

Seriously, how could Dr. CBJ deliver a baby to "any" 17 year old girl and not warn her how easy it is to get PG right after?

This doctor specializes in child abuse and I don't care what her religious beliefs are, she would counsel the child, I'm sure.

And, what about Levi? He couldn't have been too happy when Bristol told him about Trig. Now, he's 18 and the father of two?

Come to think of it, does anyone else remember after SP made the announcement that Bristol was five months PG, a reporter talked to Levi and asked him how he felt about becoming a father.

The reporter said Levi acted surprised like he didn't know and then quickly made a comment like...yeah, isn't that great!

As I recall, Sarah was on the campaign trail and Levi was in Wasilla or Anchorage when the reporter talked to him.

Just some of my thoughts as to why I don't think there is a Tripp.

wayofpeace said...

snipet from the HUFF.POST blog, following the disastrous BOBBY JINDAL's response:

So Jindal is out. Steele can not be taken seriously.

Are we back to the Rush pushing Palin scenario?

Amy1 said...

Long ago, regina made a list:

House-gate
Library-gate
Rape kit-gate
Belly-gate
Trooper-gate
Rural Alaska-gate

B, I am adding to it from your 3:07pm post:

Dangling-liver-gate

ajesquire said...

B, that's an interesting theory. If CBJ had included a longer list (edited out before the final draft) of specific diagnostic tests that Sarah Palin had undergone, the reference to liver functions and EKG having not been done at least makes more sense.

This reinforces my point that the thread to tug at with respect to this letter is the timeline of when it was requested (and by whom) and how it was drafted and finalized.

Ivyfree said...

"I feel the same way when people say Dr CBJ owes us (or owes the world) a, b, or c. I am convinced by the very fine posts of SEVERAL lawyerly contributors that CBJ owes nothing to anyone in any public forum as things stand."

Legally? I agree. Morally? As a person of integrity? As an American? Yeah, I kinda think she does.

AKPetMom said...

Sarah Palin being involved in the fire that killed the local hospice nurse is the craziest thing that I've heard on the blog yet! We might not agree with SP's political or religious leanings but I seriously doubt that she would "off" anyone to keep her little hoax quiet.
I also think that Tripp is the ''real" baby of Bristol, whether it is her first or second child.
SP will go to lengths to cover up her indiscretions but I doubt that she would engage in murder (or murder for hire) or borrowing a strange child to stand in for her grandchild.

Littl' Me said...

Ivyfree @February 24, 2009 9:31 AM :
I believe Tripp WAS born in a hospital. In one of the pics from the GVS interview, Levi is shown holding a baby, and he (Levi) is wearing one of those identifier bracelets they give new parents at a hospital...

Ocean said...

Audrey's site is mentioned in an Amazon review of Trailblazer: An Intimate Biography of Sarah Palin:

Ostensibly this book ends with the birth (in December, says the family) of the Palin's grandson to his unmarried teen mom. Since so little in this book is verified by public records, I won't go into the births of Trig and Tripp, and the controversies surrounding them; Benet doesn't, either. Rather than bother with this book, I'd recommend starting with an article by Wayne Barrett in the Village Voice (October 7, 2008), and regularly following the Alaska blogs www.themudflats.net, www.andrewhalcro.com, and the blog posted at www.palindeception.com.They will tell you a great deal about Sarah Palin and her tortured love-hate relationship with actually, you know, governing. This book, unfortunately, does not.

Amy1 said...

Ivyfree: re CBJ speaking up. If CBJ has conflicting ethical loyalties, if she has patient's rights to consider that intersect?

B said...

Amy1,

I am flattered by your designation of dangling-liver-gate! (Ouch.)

Is there also a travel-gate? I heard last night that Palin will repay Alaska $7000 for nine trips taken by her children. I guess amending forms to say Piper was needed to draw a raffle ticket just doesn't cut it.

A talking head said of the speech by Bobby Jindahl(sp?), "It was a good night for Sarah Palin."

Ivyfree said...

"Seriously, how could Dr. CBJ deliver a baby to "any" 17 year old girl and not warn her how easy it is to get PG right after?

This doctor specializes in child abuse and I don't care what her religious beliefs are, she would counsel the child, I'm sure."

Oh, well, telling someone they can get pregnant and having them hear it, understand it and act on it? That's a separate thing. Remember they don't believe in birth control. So Bristol would have had to go to a drugstore and buy condoms and then persuade [I'm assuming] Levi to use them...heck, grown women don't always feel comfortable telling their partners they're going to use a condom. How is Bristol going to tell Levi that nobody's going out for sports without their protective gear, when grown women can't always do it?

Ivyfree said...

"SP will go to lengths to cover up her indiscretions but I doubt that she would engage in murder (or murder for hire) or borrowing a strange child to stand in for her grandchild."

I don't think she will do it, but remember that church of hers? Remember the yells of "Assassinate him!" at her campaign speeches, referring to Obama? Remember all the gays who've been beaten and murdered? There've been too many clinic bombings for me to rule out murder when dealing with the religious crazies of the right-wing. Sarah doesn't have to do anything herself. There are her coreligionists and followers, all doing God's will.

Anonymous said...

***MODERATION NOTE****

I just want to urge a bit of caution when speculating here about the suspicious fire that took the life of that former Hospice nurse. We've allowed some discussion in context of Palin's ardent followers; as some here have pointed out the extreme religious right wing has shown a penchant for violence, although in fairness extremists on the left have been known to engage in violent acts as well.

But let's not go to far as to suggest that Palin would be involved in and/or endorse any such actions. This blog seeks to be fair and it is unfair, I think, to speculate on or suggest her involvement.

To that end I would ask those of you wishing to go off on this tangent to be very, very careful and understand that if your comment crosses the line it will be rejected.

B said...

Littl' Me said...Levi) is wearing one of those identifier bracelets they give new parents at a hospital...

I'm confused. Didn't Levi fly home from the slope *after* Tripp's announced birth date? Or when he lost his job for lack of a GED, was he already in Wasilla/Palmer?

Just don't remember Levi being around for a 12/27 birth. If he wasn't, that photo could be a 1/27 birth. Or even Trig's birth.

Craig said...

Ocean;

Just to be clear, your reference to an "Amazon review" of the Trailblazer book was more specifically just a customer review that anyone could submit.

Otherwise, I could claim that an "Amazon review" also said that Trailblazer is a "wonderfully researched book", and that Lorenzo Benet "is an excellent journalist and writer" who did a "great job of writing a balanced book".

The actual editorial review from Amazon was rather bland.

Truth be told, I think Benet's book is just a typical slap and dash bio that gets written when a popular personality pops up on the political/cultural radar, to make a quick buck.

Lilybart said...

Why did I suggest that Palin is on meds? It is one reason NOT to report liver enzymes. The liver tells the story of what you are taking.
Another BIG reason not to release full medical records.

and she sure acts unbalanced!

Nova Land said...

At 12:40 am, Littl'Me posted: In one of the pics from the GVS interview, Levi is shown holding a baby, and he (Levi) is wearing one of those identifier bracelets they give new parents at a hospital...

That's interesting -- because back in the "So... Where's Tripp?" post, Audrey wrote:

On January 5th, the Anchorage Daily News reported that Levi had quit his North Slope oil job, and that he was flying home. Wait. Wasn't he already "home?' Wasn't he living with the Palins in their (according to People Magazine) four bedroom home that had just gotten "busier?" Wasn't he sharing diaper duty? From Wasilla to Alaska's North Slope is 700 miles. Travelocity lists only three flights a day from Barrow to Anchorage, at prices ranging from $700 to $1050 round trip. Not exactly an easy or cheap jaunt...

Were Levi's whereabouts during that time period ever determined? Because if Levi visited the hospital while Bristol and Tripp were there, and Levi didn't get back to Wasilla until January, that would seem to place the birth somewhat later than December 27/28.

Amy1 said...

AKPetMom, you are right that there is no need for us to do the crazy thing.

But it got me thinking. This site is not a formal document intended to be oracular, true, 100% nothing but. It is like a conversation among trusted friends, each one trying to help figure a thing out, each with a different approach (thank goodness). So we bring up things that occur to us. They might end up relevant, they might not. For example, I was intrigued to read McClement2001's 12:51 point that SP announced her preg the day after McClain got the GOP nomination. I never noticed that until s/he pointed it out. What does that mean? maybe nothing. maybe something. Let's just let it sit there until there are (or aren't) other dots to connect to that.

And so of course I was thinking about the two fires. I don't recall anyone on this blog stating an indictment of SP around this issue. But the problem, for me, is that when NOTHING is certain (except that SP was NOT preg with Trig; that is certain based on the photos), then EVERYTHING looks suspicious. I think we can all agree that lots of life is just pure coincidence, and although our minds are hard-wired to connect the dots (as we do with the fun but meaningles security words), we realize that not everything is interconnected.

So the more the basic facts are in question, the more questions that produces. Some of them seem like loony questions, until we see that some few of them are not. Who among us believed, at the first moment of our acquaintance with SP, that SP would perp a preg hoax! It's just too ridiculous, bizarre. And yet, here we are, with that one fact, at least, as bedrock.

So, no, I do not suggest anything at all re the 2 fires. But I do say with great certainty (but my opinion only) that if I lived in AK, and there were so many unanswered questions, and there was even a hint/rumor of wondering about those fires, it would be a strong motivator for me to keep from saying anything to anybody, unless I was deliberately ready to take an unknown level of risk upon myself.

Amy1 said...

okay, is it gate-check time?

House-gate
Library-gate
Rape kit-gate
Belly-gate
Trooper-gate
Rural Alaska-gate
Dangling-liver-gate
Saks-gate
Travel-gate
Oxycontin-gate
Wolf-shoot-gate
Dropout-gate
Track-vandal-of-40-schoolbusses-gate
Email-gate

midnightcajun said...

B, kudos to you for that bit of reasoning. I've always thought the comment about the liver tests was weird. But it makes sense if CBJ originally included results of OTHER tests that Sarah/the GOP deleted. Now, of course, we're left wondering what other tests were originally in the letter, and why they were taken out!

The frustrating part about all this is I have this awful feeling we're never going to know the truth.

Truthseeker2 said...

Regarding Bristol becoming pregnant again so quickly, here is some more speculation to consider. Perhaps 1) she knew nothing about birth control whatsoever and left it all to God to figure out; or 2) she assumed or was told that she would not be able to get pregnant soon after birth, but was wrong (not such an uncommon mistake). That mistake would be even more likely if she were trying to breastfeed and believed that would protect her from becoming pregnant. Typically breastfeeding does suppress ovulation, when a baby is exclusively breastfed on demand. However, perhaps Trig had trouble breastfeeding, as many DS babies do, and/or Bristol had to pump often or allow frequent use of a formula. (We know he was bottle fed as early as the baby shower, and would have had to be bottle fed whenever SP had him with her at work, to keep up the ruse.) The result of less frequent breastfeeding (or none at all) would be to depress the hormone that suppresses ovulation, so perhaps Bristol ovulated much sooner than expected.

Another thought: why would SP have bottle fed Trig at the shower if she was his mother? She claimed to breastfeed him in her office during conference calls, so would presumably not have been intimidated about doing so at a baby shower with her friends.

Ann Hedonia said...

B said: Just don't remember Levi being around for a 12/27 birth. If he wasn't, that photo could be a 1/27 birth. Or even Trig's birth.

That's an interesting conjecture -- that those infant photos on GVS are really of Trig. They would sure get a kick out of hoaxing everyone that way, I betcha.

my verification word is detter

Unknown said...

Audrey,

Where are you? Looking forward to your insights on the Bristol/GVS interview and other recent developments!

Ivyfree said...

"Ivyfree: re CBJ speaking up. If CBJ has conflicting ethical loyalties, if she has patient's rights to consider that intersect?"

Oh, as I said, legally, no, she has no obligation to speak up.

Morally? Yep.

onething said...

Kajo,

I agree with you that Bristol was no more than 5 minths in October, and also no more than 7, perhaps 6, at that shot just before Christmas, walking into the church.

I seem to not be finding parts of that video that people keep talking about, where Trig is brought in. I would definitely consider that they borrowed a baby. The baby she was holding actually could have been 3-4 weeks, instead of 7. But the photos they showed included an older looking baby, more like 2-3 months, with arms strength and all.

Call me mean, but that baby was not a good looking kid. Cute, sure, but not with the fine features I would expect from Bistol and Levi.

I agree with Dangerous that some of the speculation is a bit over the top. Most families call a new baby, "the baby." We need not speculate as to how heartless Sarah Palin is for leaving Trig in a nicu. First, she's not his mother, and second, she could certainly have visited him off-schedule. Third, he may have spent little or no time in a nicu.

onething said...

"Remember they don't believe in birth control. "

That is very unlikely. What they don't believe in, is teaching teens to use it in school health class, when they should abstain instead and be taught abstinence. That does not mean they do not believe in the use of birth control.

I, too, have thought that those distant and blurry pictures of Levi with baby could be old ones of Trig.

And it isn't so that the liver panel tells the story of what meds you're taking. There are different things which could cause impaired liver function.

Craig said...

Ivyfree;

"Remember the yells of "Assassinate him!" at her campaign speeches, referring to Obama?"


There were some documented incidents of ugliness at campaign rallies this past election, but I'm pretty sure your reference here is wrong. There was a report of an incident (not multiple) that someone was overheard saying "Kill him" at a Palin rally when she was talking about Bill Ayers. This was initially assumed by some media outlets to have been directed toward Obama, but the reporter who originally documented this admitted that the reference seemed directed at Ayers, not Obama.

Not that someone expressing that Ayers should be killed is okay, but it's less hyberbolic than claiming that multiple cries for Obama's assassination occurred.

Ginger said...

To: Ivyfree and Truthseeker2

Since I went thru the exact same experience as Bristol, same age, the first thing my doctor told me was how easy it was to get PG.

She insisted I make an immediate office appt. I did and she fitted me with a diaphragm. Never again did I have an unplanned pregnancy.

Even Bristol on Greta's show said it was unrealistic to abstain.

Now, several weeks ago in the Natl. Enq. (I know it's a rag), there was an article titled "Bristol Palin Stole my Boyfriend Levi Away From Me."

I didn't buy the mag so I don't have the girl's name. She said she was shocked to hear Bristol was PG because when she dated Levi, they never had sex without him using a condom. He didn't want no kids!

The girl was a very pretty blond and the story looked authenic to me.

Anyone can verify this by checking with the N.E.

Ivyfree said...

"as some here have pointed out the extreme religious right wing has shown a penchant for violence, although in fairness extremists on the left have been known to engage in violent acts as well."

It was Audrey, I think, who pointed out that the reporter who nosed around Wasilla commented on the great fear that people seemed to have regarding Sarah. If Sarah were left-wing, then commenting on left-wing violence would be relevant- as she is not, and she attends a right-wing extremist church (I think I am safe to say that any church that invites a witch-finder from Africa to pray over a political candidate is extremist) then commenting on right-wing violence seems appropriate. It is certainly a possible explanation for the dearth of information from her neighbors and fellow townsfolk.

"But let's not go to far as to suggest that Palin would be involved in and/or endorse any such actions."

I don't recall reading a single post that suggests that Sarah is involved in any way with violence, or has expressed active approval. I believe I pointed out that she doesn't have to be; her coreligionists and followers might be, and attending church means absolutely nothing with regards to rejecting criminal behavior (although I'm sure I wish it would). However, I do recall that the Secret Service visited her to tell her to tone down her rhetoric during her VP run: since Sarah came on the scene, threats of violence against Obama had escalated, and there were shouted threats at her rallys- and she did nothing to calm things down. This suggests to me that she's fine with others threatening violence, even though I have never heard of her actively encouraging it. And yes, it was reported that at Obama/Biden rallys, there were threats as well, but oddly, none of them hit the internet as the ones from Palin's campaign did. One would expect that they would record such threats and blast them from the rooftop- they were getting pretty desperate, towards the end. I conclude from this that reports of threats against McCain/Palin during Obama/Biden rallys were a combination of wishful thinking, PR flack, and not grounded in reality.

Anonymous said...

We now have confirmation of the date of the Official First Family Photo in Juneau 2007. It was taken on 14th September 2007.

Here is a link to the photo

http://tiny.cc/zyVfA

And here is a link to the PDF file released by ADN to SP's children's travel authorizations giving the date of the photo shoot.

http://tiny.cc/c5Dp6

Kathleen

B said...

Re: Breastfeeding in public.

Far too many people are offended by observing even discreet breastfeeding. The conference calls wouldn't necessarily involve other people in Palin's office. Still, it's one thing to do it with a couple of female aides and another to do it at a large shower where photos are being taken.

That said, I don't think she could breastfeed. I think she fed Trig milk Bristol pumped or formula.

B said...

Re: Palin deleting blood tests and pressure in CBJ letter.

For you pregnancy/medical sleuths, is there anything that should show up in tests 3-6 months after delivery? If Palin's numbers didn't show that, she could have deleted stuff and left the dangling liver sentence.

eat whine rally said...

OOOOOOOOPS!

Lisa D. from ADN just let us know that now SP will be paying for ten of her children's trips, not nine, BUT WAIT...They "mistakenly"(read as, intentionally neglected)to include the 2007 trip to the Iron Dog to send off papa dawg. They go on to tell us that it did include their trip to the race in 2008, but someone did not go along!

"So that brings into the mix a trip in February 2007 when Palin's three daughters, Willow, Bristol and Piper, accompanied her to the start of the Iron Dog race. Their dad, Todd, was one of the contenders and went on to win that year's race. Petumenos, who was dealing with 142 pages of travel authorizations, said that that trip was mistakenly left off the list released yesterday.

The list included with the settlement did include the 2008 Iron Dog start, but only mentioned Piper's travel. Willow was on the trip as well, and Palin will repay the state for both girls, the lawyers said. Palin also won't collect any state payments for her children to attend this year's race start."

OK, don't get me going on this current BS of her doing it cause it wasn't technically wrong (read as, I found a loophole!!!!!!!)

The point is that only Willow and Piper went with mom to see off papa dawg, not Bristol! Or, at least they left her and any expenses she incurred off the list, hum? I would say that we now have some evidence that Bristol did not go the the Heart Assoc. luncheon, and was not at the Iron Dog, because she was too pregnant, just mho. This probably won't be enough to change Dan gerous's mind, but...

Penny

Anonymous said...

IvyFree said:

"I don't recall reading a single post that suggests that Sarah is involved in any way with violence, or has expressed active approval."

And do you know why you haven't read any posts suggesting that? Have you really forgotten that this is board is moderated by people who won't allow that sort of post? Just because you didn't read something doesn't mean it's not been submitted; it simply means it didn't get approved.

When moderator suggestions are issued, they are often directed at posters whose comments you never even see.

There are a number of people who would like to implicate Sarah, either directly or indirectly, in things we have no proof she engaged in. If that's the kind of speculation the want to entertain, they'll need to find another blog to read.

Per right wing extremists vs. left wing extremists, both are capable of violence. That's why they call them extremists.

As a person who leans strongly to the left, I'm not so blinded by ideology that I don't recognize that extremism doesn't exist on both sides.

Ivyfree said...

"When moderator suggestions are issued, they are often directed at posters whose comments you never even see."

Ah.. you're choosing to slap my wrist for not psychically intuiting that you're speaking to people whose posts are so offensive they aren't allowed to appear. My bad. I flunked ESP. That said, I'm still not seeing that level of violent language about Palin that I have against Obama, even elsewhere. I fully agree that extremist people threaten extremist things and sometimes act on them, although personally? I find extremist Christians really scary. Perhaps I would find extremist progressives scary, if I thought they were actually do more than talk.

"There are a number of people who would like to implicate Sarah, either directly or indirectly, in things we have no proof she engaged in. If that's the kind of speculation the want to entertain, they'll need to find another blog to read."

I'm sure. I don't think she would involve herself in anything that would threaten her political career, and I think even SP is bright enough to figure out that she doesn't have to so involve herself. Not only would it jeopardize her career, it's not needed. I credit her with expediency.

"Per right wing extremists vs. left wing extremists, both are capable of violence. That's why they call them extremists."

Right. Only since SP is the topic here, and she is right-wing, and it's Audrey's reporter friend who talked about how frightened the people in Wasilla are of her, that would seem to be a bit on point.

Incidentally, my personal feelings towards Sarah is that she lacks integrity, and has committed chargeable offenses, which should be investigated and be grounds for legal action, if the Legislature and legal system in Alaska weren't sitting in her pocket. My extremism goes no further than hoping she'll be removed from office and face charges that are judged in a court of law. That is up to the people of Alaska.

Amy1 said...

Morgan: good point. I HAD totally forgotten your role in the "weird accusations" issue. I am one who greatly appreciates your moderation. When I read the Comments sections of other sites from time to time I am just blown away by both the violent thoughts, off-the-wall accusations, vulgar language as well as on the other hand the slavish adoration of SP and the logic given for same. It really wakes me up to the very strong feelings on this issue out there.

And I am also blown away -- truly shocked! -- by how little info there is in these wild unmoderated responses. So I begin to wonder if anyone reads them, because there is so little reward in doing so.

Anyway, I come here for true facts, thoughtful suppositions, little gems of observation that either prove to be stunningly relevant (or sometimes don't), and polite discourse that leaves out all the non-informative rant so we can stay focussed.

So meanwhile, re the ethics of CBJ in withholding her confirmation/denial of that letter: I'm not saying this is so for sure, but what if by outing SP she would hurt the confidentiality of some one in her care, a child? That is the way in which I am thinking CBJ might be taking the ethical high ground in saying nothing, even though the letter is a sham.

(And if one accepts the proof of the photos, which in my mind are irrefutable, then one must also believe that the letter is a sham, whether it is a forgery or altered or written in evil complicity by CBJ. It's just a logical impossibility for any other conclusion.)

Ivyfree said...

"There was a report of an incident (not multiple) that someone was overheard saying "Kill him" at a Palin rally when she was talking about Bill Ayers."

Actually, there were three or four such incidents, which were recorded by people attending the events. No, I didn't save links. I remember how the McCain-Palin campaign said similar threats were made at Obama-Biden rallys, but no recordings surfaced, which pretty much convinced me that they didn't happen, since having people attend the opposition's events is SOP, and such comments would have certainly been taped and released to the public- as I said, McCain/Palin was struggling at that point. I do not know what hit the MSM, since I don't get my news from TV, but online. And the Secret Service talked to Sarah about toning down her rhetoric, since the reports of threats against Obama went up after she entered the fray. I believe I read later that she did not tone anything down. McCain, however, told his listeners once that Obama was a good man, with whom he had disagreements, but it was not well received by his followers. Look, I'm not blindly defending anyone, what I'm saying is that while I think Palin is not above such behavior, it's not something with which she has to involve herself, and she's smart enough to realize that. I don't know who's responsible for any fires or criminal activity. But it was reported that people were afraid of her, and I'm not really sure why they would be. What can the governor legally do to people to frighten them? Everyone who's in an appointed office already knows she can fire them.

Punkinbugg said...

Thanks for that last comment, Morgan.

And may I say -- as a Democrat who lives in TEXAS and goes to an evangelical (that just means we like to spread the Good News) church, not all ev. churches are full of radical weirdos, either.

Our youngest kids are taught how to make wise choices: obey your parents, get along with siblings, etc.

Our youth (age 12+) are also taught exactly how to avoid compromising situations that lead to unplanned premarital sexual activity, the pitfalls of addictions and how to lead a meaningful life when the World is telling you buy this, do that and you'll be "happy".

Bristol said: "abstinence doesn't work." That's a slap in the face to her mother's church. Yeah, Bristol, abstinence doesn't work if you CHOOSE to drink, flirt, and sneak off with a boy. Those were your choices!!

Her comment basically flips off the thousands of kids who struggle to do the right thing on a daily basis..., and the Right Wing base will NOT like that.

Curious said...

This may be a repeat (I don't have time to read all the comments I'm behind right this moment), but a quick skim didn't show any comments about it.

Since ADN posted a PDF file of 142 expense reports (apparently all for the kids, again on quick perusal), I wonder if that might be any help to us.

It seems on quick glance that one could put together a pretty good time line for the kids whereabouts.

This assumes, of course, that the kid listed is the kid that is actually there.

I was also (too!) under the impression, that all 3 girls were at the Iron Dog race in 2008 and this was one of the reasons Trig could not be Bristol's (people seeing her at the luncheon and Iron dog start). According to the article, Piper and Willow were in attendance and SP will be reimbursing the State for their travel expenses.

There is no mention of Bristol being there.

Here is the link (it's working at the time of this post) to the ADN article:

Lisa Demer article on Travel Expense Gate

If you scroll down a bit on that article there is a link to the PDF as well as several other supporting documents.

Amy1 said...

I have a qu about breastfeeding that seems slightly relevant to our discussion.

It is 100% clear to me that SP did ZERO breastfeeding, because she was not pregnant. But the issue keeps coming up, so I have a technical qu regarding it.

I saw Trig with a bottle so often that I wondered how well BFing could possibly be going.

The info I got when my twins were tiny was that I should always BF first, then give the bottle, because babies prefer the bottle with its higher sugar content, and would thus get too full to nurse actively if one gave the formula first. Thus reducing demand ---> capacity for the breast milk.

Although of course the BF milk is better for them, with its immunity-conferring stuff plus other benefits not yet clearly known to us, so I wanted to keep that up as long as I could.

I was and remain a true believer in BFing, but in my case the babies were so tiny and badly needed calories, and the MDs said I should do both. And MDs said that yes, doing both would reduce my BFing capacity over time, since capacity (and its growth to meet the babies' growing needs over time) depends on demand, and if I also gave formula the babies would not be so adamant about sucking hard enough toward the end of each session to make my body know there should be more.

In fact, my capacity went way down, dramatically so when I returned to work and did the horrible thing known as pumping -- which just didn't work that well. Very soon, it was over, at about 4 mo of age for the babies.

So my question is this: with the lack of muscle tone (essential for vigorous sucking) that some DS babies have, plus the frequent use of the bottle, as we saw, isn't it likely that BFing would have lasted only briefly for Trig? The only way I can see for the answer to be NO is if you tell me that pumping really works well for many people, which I did not find to be so. (but I realize I am a sample of 1.) So the bottles that we saw might have been ALWAYS filled with the bio-Mom's breast milk. But my experience and reading suggests that this is not so, that BFing would have waned in Trig's case very quickly.

So if my point has some merit, why the BFing-looking body of Bristol at the convention? Although none of the birth dates seem to be known, the timing and other issues just don't seem to be right for major BFing at the time of the RNC.

Just asking. This is not a qu one can ask in just any old venue -- but with all the experts here . . . ?

eat whine rally said...

Remember this link that Mary G. gave us back in early January?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-10-21-palin-AP_N.htm

With all that Caribou Barbie is now going through, I'd say good things do come to those who wait!

Her tower is tumbling down!

Craig said...

Dangerous;

This is not "nail in the coffin" information, but there is a recent news report that mentions that Willow was present at the 2008 Iron Dog event, held in mid-February 2008. There is a Youtube clip of Scott Davis towing Todd Palin over the finish line, with Sarah and Piper there to greet him. There is another girl standing there too, but there is no real way to tell if its Willow or not. Plus, she keeps motioning for someone off camera to come over (maybe that person is Willow?).

Anyway, its one thing for Sarah to be there even if she was still not ready to reveal her pregnancy. She had an official and personal obligation to attend. But if Willow was the mother of Trig, why risk the exposure of bringing a barely 13-year old daughter who would have been about 7 months pregnant to a very high-profile public event with a lot of media coverage?

mdlw56 said...

Kathleen @ 6:36

Great job, Kathleen! Now, the only other date needed is for the other family photo. Looking at the kids, it must be made between December 8, 2006 picture in the governor's mansion kitchen and the September 14, 2007 photos and with short sleeves, maybe summer.

I think both family photos depict a pregnant Bristol.

Littl' Me said...

Re. the pic of Levi holding the baby, and having the identifier bracelet on: Come to think of it, it sure was a TINY baby he was holding. (Also: NO Christmas decorations in ANY of backgrounds of the different pics...)
Maybe someone can enlarge the photo and check out the facial features? For the record, the snapshot I am talking about is here at 4:52- 4:58 into the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8P57hrc7dE&NR=1

Daniel Archangel said...

Penny said:

The point is that only Willow and Piper went with mom to see off papa dawg, not Bristol! Or, at least they left her and any expenses she incurred off the list, hum? I would say that we now have some evidence that Bristol did not go the the Heart Assoc. luncheon, and was not at the Iron Dog, because she was too pregnant, just mho. This probably won't be enough to change Dan gerous's mind, but...


Well, no. And I'll tell you why.

The contemporaneous account from the sponsor was that BOTH older Palin girls were there. There is absolutely no reason to doubt that account. Whether SP now says Bristol didn't go is not strong evidence because it's after-the-fact hearsay from a party with an interest.

How quick so many of you are to find certain items conclusive!! If SP had said Willow wasn't along but Bristol was, would you then rule out Bristol and focus on Willow? I recall lots of people saying that it was Willow on the Iron Dog '08 video for two seconds (not conclusive) waving to someone off camera which everyone assumed was Bristol not wanting to be seen. Are we to take SP's word for it now that Bristol wasn't along?

Did anyone consider that SP might have said Willow was along but not Bristol to maintain the incorrect speculation about Bristol while deflecting the correct speculation about Willow? If both girls were their, and she wanted to be believed (which everybody does when they lie), isn't that exactly what she would do?

SP's declarations on the critical Feb 15-16, 2008 only muddy the waters more. They don't clear up anything and are not evidence of anything. Either Willow and Bristol were on that trip or they weren't. Either one of them was pregnant at the time or they weren't. If SP lied about the pregnancy, she's likely lying now about a critical time.

Whether she claimed their expenses on the trip at the time or didn't may or may not be probative evidence. Certainly the records at the time mean more than what SP says now. But the bottom line is that there is direct, contemporaneous, unimpeached testimony from the luncheon coordinator that all three Palin girls were at the luncheon, that it was a surprise that they were there, and they were there at their mother's behest. Even if the luncheon organization recanted, I would still give more weight to statements she made then than now that it matters.

P.S. In my last post, I accidentally signed it with my real name, Dan. Yes, that's my real first name. My screen name is a pun.

Dangerous

anne s said...

semi off subject
Being a bit bored I typed randomly in google .. sarah palin things of course (god help me)

but this was interesting..
It is a very Christian blog ..and they are taking some serious stabs at the Bristol Interview...and even go as far as Sarah Palin is at fault

They are mad because Bristol doesnt mention "God" and neither does Sarah ..and her interview and perception of the whole giving birth and being unwed isn't how a Christian should respond..

if you are bored..
http://bibchr.blogspot.com/2009/02/sarah-palins-stupid-mistake.html

Windy City Woman said...

Ivyfree,
Do the Palins really not believe in birth control, or do they not believe in teaching teens about it, in hopes that they will thus be afraid to have sex, and be punished with pregnancy if they do have sex anyway?

If the Palins don't believe in birth control at all, one has to wonder why Sarah and Todd don't have a brood like the Duggers.

I know a number of people, of conservative religious background, who stated around the time of their marriages that they weren't going go use birth control. They managed to change their minds after seeing how much work and money 3 - 4 kids could be.

Anonymous said...

**FROM THE MODERATOR**

Ivyfree, no one is slapping anyone's wrist for not being psychic. I'm just making a point that Amy1 and others didn't have difficulty comprehending, which is that moderation is necessary to keep the blog civil.

And while you are correct that the blog is about Sarah Palin, it is not a political blog, and trying to turn it into one will not be tolerated.

To say that only right wing extremists are violent and that left wing extremists are only talk is just plain wrong. Eco-terrorists, for instance, are left wing extremists and have engaged in arson.

And as Amy1 points out, not all fundamentalist Christians are violent, either, and I'd wager that we have a number of them among our posters here and I'll not see them offended.

To that end, please be advised that singling out a religious group and painting them with such a broad brush is not what this blog is about, and if you want to continue in that vein you may need to consider doing it elsewhere.

There are bad apples in every group - left, right, Christian or otherwise.

Sarah Palin defines herself as a Christian, but her religion is not the issue here. The issue is her pregnancy. So consider this the last word on this subject.

We're moving on

NakedTruth said...

Penny said:

The point is that only Willow and Piper went with mom to see off papa dawg, not Bristol! Or, at least they left her and any expenses she incurred off the list, hum? I would say that we now have some evidence that Bristol did not go the the Heart Assoc. luncheon, and was not at the Iron Dog, because she was too pregnant, just mho. This probably won't be enough to change Dan gerous's mind, but...

I agree with you, Penny, I don't think that Bristol attended the Iron Dog race. My thought is that she was pregnant during this time and living with her aunt in Anchorage or in hiding in Wasilla.

I do recall many of us thinking that Bristol could have been the one that Willow was motioning over to join a photo at the Iron Dog but now with this new evidence I am convinced that Bristol was just not in attendance.

You never can tell with SP but I would think that she would not lie about which of her daughters were in attendance at this function. I am sure that there are plenty of pictures and videos out there that will show that it was Willow there instead of Bristol. Also, didn't we see a video of the 2008 Iron Dog event and it was verified that the girl in it was Willow? I think I recall us discussing this in detail on this blog.

IMHO Bristol is the most likely candidate for the mother of Trig. SP is definitely not his mother.

Duncan said...

Thanks Morgan,

I'm more concerned with helping Diana capture some stills from videos.

duncan

Daniel Archangel said...

Craig addressed this post to me:

This is not "nail in the coffin" information, but there is a recent news report that mentions that Willow was present at the 2008 Iron Dog event, held in mid-February 2008. There is a Youtube clip of Scott Davis towing Todd Palin over the finish line, with Sarah and Piper there to greet him. There is another girl standing there too, but there is no real way to tell if its Willow or not. Plus, she keeps motioning for someone off camera to come over (maybe that person is Willow?).

Anyway, its one thing for Sarah to be there even if she was still not ready to reveal her pregnancy. She had an official and personal obligation to attend. But if Willow was the mother of Trig, why risk the exposure of bringing a barely 13-year old daughter who would have been about 7 months pregnant to a very high-profile public event with a lot of media coverage?


We have known for months that Willow AND Bristol attended the AHA Luncheon in Fairbanks. That's from the contemporaneous statements when they didn't matter by the luncheon coordinator. See my post above for reasons to discount SP's statements about it now.

You say yourself that it's not clear the girl we see for about two seconds in the Iron Dog video is Willow. We don't know who that person is waving to, but people always speculated it was Bristol who didn't want to be on video. Now most people have changed their tune. Why? Because SP says so? Now we believe her?

I think the girl in the video is Willow, actually, but she's in a heavy coat, just like Bristol was during her car accident, in public, with a police report, about a week earlier. Certainly if someone could tell that Willow was pregnant under a thick coat, then a police officer responding to an car accident would note that the female was pregnant.

More and more conjecture. Would SP risk exposing her daughter in public? The best evidence says she did it for Willow and Bristol at the AHA meeting. That is, unless you are taking SP's after-the-fact-self-interested assertion over someone who said-so-at-the-time-against-her-interest. FYI: the first is hearsay and the second is not.

If this is going to be the standard of evidence we'll use to determine the capital T Truth -- that is, ignore all evidence that points away from Bristol -- we're never going to get there.

I think I should remind everyone that the best evidence is also that Trig was born on or about April 17-18 not by SP, and that Tripp was born full term on December 27 by Bristol. There's conjecture and speculation that Trig was born earlier or Tripp was born later, or both, in order to make it possible for Bristol to be the mother of both babies. But there's only conjecture and speculation. No evidence, either direct or circumstantial.

In order for Bristol to be the mother of Trig and Tripp, there have to be lies upon lies upon lies. If Bristol is Trig's mother and not Tripp, there have to be lies upon lies upon lies. Yet, SP says that Willow was at AHA but not Bristol, and that's the truth all of a sudden?

If we as a community want to be taken seriously by serious people, we have to do better than that with our critical reasoning. Otherwise we are so easy to dismiss we might as well claim that SP stole the baby.

I think we need to get back to basics. Let's make or break Willow and Bristol's alibis with something other than random episodic accounts for a four-month period.
1) Where did Willow attend school? She had to be there day after day, right?
2) Where did Bristol go to school for real? People in Alaska know the truth.
3) Where did SP have her pre-natal care appointments if she was travelling all the time?
4) And here's one for those of you who think Trig was born early: Where was he stashed for weeks or months?

Sorry for the scolding, but we need to focus or give it up.

Dangerous

Mary G. said...

A while back, I linked to an article regarding the AHA luncheon last February 15 (has it really been over a year???), mainly because Dangerous seems to think it is one of the most inviolable bits of evidence that the girls were out with mom mooching off the state of Alaska's largesse. The article quoted Janet Bartels, the organizer, saying something to the effect that Palin had RSVP'd for the event, but instead of showing up herself, she came with her three daughters. (I instantly questioned the entire scenario, as it was a pretty naked way to get the family to Fairbanks at the Princess Hotel in order to meet Todd at the finish line of the iron dog.)
Dangerous insists that this report is valid because it was contemporaneous with the event--but he is wrong. He has not read the newsreport that Bartel's quote derived from--it was written in September (I believe), in the context of Palin submitting a stack of "amended" travel reimbursements to the State of Alaska for her childrens' travel and hotel fare.
There is no contemporaneous report of the daughters attending that event or any other in Fairbanks (other than said luxury hotel).
The fact that Palin is now returning the reimbursement money for that trip in particular, along with saying off-handedly that Piper and Willow were with her, is a bit more compelling than a fellow republican covering Palin's backside when the rest of the nation decided to take a look at the new and unknown candidate for VP.

jeanie said...

Just an observation - most likely it's not useful, but the timing is interesting. Maybe someone else connect more dots.

Bristol's car accident took place in the late afternoon of 2/8/08 and the start of the Iron Dog was 2/10/08 - presumably in the morning. So she was probably in town for that start.

I am falling behind in my blog reading, so I don't quite get why SP would be charging any expenses to the state for attending something that was held right in Wasilla. I guess she and the girls were supposed to be in Anchorage at that point?

kj said...

I am agreeing with Dangerous on the point that focusing only on Bristol gets this blog nowhere, in my opinion.

Craig said...

Dangerous;

Most of what I mentioned in my earlier comment has been apparently chewed on in this blog months ago, so I'm sorry for being behind.

I'm just making the point that if Bristol and Willow were at the luncheon on 2/15/08 (according to the AHA rep who seemed to be there) you have the three woman most likely to have carried Trig all at a very public event.

It's one thing if Sarah was just a few weeks away from announcing her pregnancy anyway, but if she was plotting a baby cover-up for either daughter, why put them in very public situations when they would have been about 7 months pregnant?

Can't get away with a heavy winter coat at a luncheon! Maybe the argument is, WHOEVER was pregnant had a small baby bump!

Yet, if its her teenage, unwed daughter (not to mention one barely into her teens), why take the slightest unnecessary risk of detection as you are about to commit to a audacious baby switch?

Amy1 said...

Sorry for the scolding, but we need to focus or give it up. --Dangerous

Hi Dangerous, My version would be "LET'S GIVE IT UP AND FOCUS!" I just want to repeat my oft-stated mantra, that we do not need to know (and should not pursue) who the bio-Mom is in order to make an air-tight case that SP was not pregnant.

So I agree: let's focus -- but focus on SP, not the kids. I am inclined to think there is a sad, sordid tale there, regarding the earlier events. but I also think it's none of our business, that people in AK who know are right to keep it to themselves, and that it may be that we will never know and certainly never have proof.

And that's fine. It's only SP whose lies concern us. Who has lied in pursuit of high public office, in a very public arena, in an especially distasteful way, and who seeks to make us believe she can go on doing so with impunity.

But to ask where the girls went to school: If my children's school gave out any info about them, I would be on my broomstick with a lawyer in tow. Ditto medical appointments my children might have for whatever reason. Any unauthorized disclosure and be ready to bring me huge wheelbarrows full of money. Punitive money. So no one does it again to anyone else anytime soon.

And to think that a bystander who observed some info on the above topics would talk to the press about it: ditto -- I would be on my broomstick, although that kind of disclosure is prob not illegal, just unethical. Gossip of the worst kind.

Again, I am firmly in the camp of thinking the SP HOAX must be exposed for the public good, and I also think we have no right to get into details of the lives of those who had to go along for the ride whether they wanted to or not. Sure, they were on a public stage, but that does not mean they have any obligation to disclose private matters to any of us.

Amy1 said...

And yes, I realize I have violated my own advice, in trying to put together ALL the pieces of this puzzle. It's a mystery story, and we all want to know the ending. But we will not, and we should not even try, not even (especially not) when it might be easy to do so.

B said...

Dangerous,

I disagree that "the best evidence" is that "Tripp was born full term on December 27 by Bristol."

The ONLY real evidence of that is Sarah's statement. She is a known liar.

That date was important for her to "prove" Bristol didn't have Trig. So there's motive for lying.

Real evidence would have included pictures if not sightings of Tripp and a not-pregnant Bristol around the time of the birth -- not two months later when the baby's age could not be determined. Real evidence would have included statements from Sadie about seeing Tripp, rather than about not being able to see Tripp.

Sarah had every reason to produce some real evidence and failed -- inexplicable to me, unless she couldn't.

BTW, the best evidence we have points to Willow in school in Juneau since that school, not Sarah, announced she was on the honor roll.

I'm hopeful that interviews, books, news, etc. will keep supplying little tidbits that help us connect the dots. It is frustratingly slow. Everyone but my spouse thinks I'm nuts to be convinced that Gov.Palin faked a pregnancy. But I'm not ready to give up. I hope Audrey isn't either.

B said...

Re: Photo of baby with Levi

I think it is Tripp's face rather than Trig's.

If there's a hospital bracelet, it's important if Levi wasn't in the Wasilla area around 12/27. Not sure we can confirm that.

Ivyfree said...

"Ivyfree,
Do the Palins really not believe in birth control, or do they not believe in teaching teens about it, in hopes that they will thus be afraid to have sex, and be punished with pregnancy if they do have sex anyway?"

My experience (and health education was the issue that got me involved in our local schools) is that the abstinence-only people believe that no information regarding birth control should be given to teenagers, as that presents a "mixed message" about abstinence and confuses them. They might think that information about birth control is implying parental consent. Teenagers should be taught that sex is *only for married adults. This never made sense to me, but that is what tore our school district apart for about three years.

I do not think their disbelief in birth control carries over to married adults, though there are some religions that disallow birth control entirely.

I do not know what information, if any, Bristol received from CBJ. However, apparently, CBJ is a coreligionist of SP, and they allegedly believe in abstinence only for unmarried teenagers, so if they think birth control information would imply consent to sexual activity, she might very well have not given any birth control information at all. BP might not have received anything but a finger-wagging "I hope you've learned your lesson, young lady." Or she might have received full information and a prescription for oral contraceptives, and chosen to ignore it all. I just don't think we can assume that because many, perhaps most, doctors would give contraceptive information that CBJ did so in this instance.

onething said...

Dangerous,

"We have known for months that Willow AND Bristol attended the AHA Luncheon in Fairbanks. That's from the contemporaneous statements when they didn't matter by the luncheon coordinator."

I know you think that, and that the true due date was May, and I also see why you would like the due date to be May. You suppose that if the due date was May, then someone could have gotten away with being at that luncheon.

However, I think that if they were all there, and ate at table and behaved normally, that none of them are the mother. It would be difficult for a slender 13 or 14-year-old to hide a 6 month pregnancy, even in a sweater. Same for a 17-year-old, but a 13 -year-old even more so.

I also think your reason has left you when you say Tripp was born on dec 27. It is utterly irrational for Sarah to have been as upset as she was over the bloggers, and ranting at the media to set things straight, while hiding Tripp for 7 weeks! And when his birthdate of December was critical to her story!

So you think it was all a complex ruse to only pretend to really want people to think she is the mother of Trig, but really she wants people to think Bristol is, and pretend that she is upset about it? And she hid Tripp so that people would continue to doubt that she is the mother and to still have hope that Bristol is?

ALSO - to someone who asked,
I looked at the video shots of Levi with the tiny newborn, and it doesn't particularly look like Trig or a Down newborn, but then, Trig didn't show his Down syndrome much in the newborn shots, either.

Unknown said...

Wow! Great work Diana! I really think your timeline tells the tale!

B said...

Jeanie, Iron Dog is in Fairbanks.

Mary G. said...

Diana, your timeline is good, based on the travel reports. We must remember, though, that those are only the ones that Palin asked for reimbursement on--there could have been other travel involved (just to clarify).
Also, some additions to your breakdown of events:
2/22-2/27--Palin and Todd in Wash, DC for the Nat'l. Gov's Assoc. winter meeting (see Audrey's website for photos) (Todd actually returned earlier than Sarah).
3/10-3/14 2008--Anchorage Schools Spring Break; Palin in Juneau that week, returning Thurs to Anchorage
3/17-3/20--Juneau School break (so Piper and Willow could have remained in Wasilla)--Palin in Juneau
4/3--gov, Todd, Piper to Anchorage
4/4--Gov flew back to Juneau (so one day in Anchorage/Wasilla area).
Willow clearly stayed overnight on occasion in Juneau, since the family seemed to travel almost every weekend to Anchorage/Wasilla.
I believe that, since the Legislative session ended April 13, Palin planned for the girls to finish the school year in Wasilla (they are nomadic!).
Interesting to note how Bristol was missing in action for so long.
Also, Diana, what is your source for Bristol pregnancy rumors in November 2007?
A last note--while certain information on children's attendance may not be public knowledge, if a school mate said, "oh, Bristol was in my English class" that is not some major security breach. We don't live in a police state (yet!). Or do they in Alaska?

kj said...

SP is not the only person to make a statement regarding Tripp’s date of birth. In the Fox News February 2009 interview, Bristol Palin HERSELF stated that Tripp was born on December 27 and was 7lbs 3.5oz. With that said, Bristol Palin either told the truth or is 100% IN on the deception!

Daniel Archangel said...

Craig:

So much for your 'nail-in-the-coffin' assertion about Willow being in Fairbanks and not Bristol:

On Piper's Feb 28, 2008 expense report, a copy in PDF appended to Lisa Demer's article, it states for entry 2/14 "Lodging - Princess Lodge ... shared with Willow and Bristol"

That's conclusive evidence, folks. All three girls went to Fairbanks. All three girls attended the AHA luncheon. All three girls probably went to the Iron Dog finish to see Dad.

I am going to review the travel records, which I've been wanting for Willow and Bristol for some time, and construct a time-line for their purported travels. Bristol's only trip in the time frame is the AHA / Iron Dog. It looks like Willow spent weeks away from Juneau in the time period.

Dangerous

Punkinbugg said...

Good work, Diana!

A correction -- you need to flip the months (MAR and APR) on your last sentence here:

4-15-2008 Sarah makes the decision to fly to Conference in Texas late in her pregnancy knowing she was carrying a Down Syndrome baby. Her doctor would have told her that DS babies are a high risk for premature births. Typically 1 month early. So Bristol could have been due mid March but delivered mid April.


It's flies, not fly's.

Also, there were several outbound flights with no returns. i.e. Anchorage to Juneau. Then Anchorage to Juneau again a bit later. (I'm a travel agent/must have closure)


How and where in the world did these kids go to school?

ALSO: I think it's West High School, not West Hills High School. HERE is the Anchorage school district's website.

Not to be nitpicky, but it does show that I read every word of your link!

:)

NakedTruth said...

Diana,

You are awesome! I love your timeline. I just don't see how anyone could follow this timeline and think that SP gave birth to Trig.

There was one area I had a question about. The timeline stated:

4-15-2008 Sarah makes the decision to fly to Conference in Texas late in her pregnancy knowing she was carrying a Down Syndrome baby. Her doctor would have told her that DS babies are a high risk for premature births. Typically 1 month early. So Bristol could have been due mid March but delivered mid April.

Did you mean to state that Bristol could have been due mid May instead of mid March in the last sentence?

Thank You!

The Naked Truth is always chasing a well-dressed lie.

B said...

Jeannie, Sorry. Iron Dog ends in Fairbanks. You were talking about the beginning in Anchorage.

Punkinbugg said...

The Iron Dog begins in Wasilla, located just outside of Anchorage, and it ends in Fairbanks, AK, after a far-flung side trip to Nome.

Here is a MAP of the almost 2,000 mile course route. This year the event went from FEB 8 - 14.

B said...

Diana,

Good work n the timeline.

There are a couple of stray 2007s in the June 2008 Sealaska stuff.

Was the travel to Fairbanks in February before or after Palin's reports were modified according to Lisa Demer? I thought we just learned Bristol didn't go, but you show her going separately from her sisters.

eat whine rally said...

Bravo Diana!

It is mind boggling how much travel those kids have done! I might suggest the addition of the arrival of CBJ's letter, but maybe it's there and I missed it! Also, a couple of wrong dates in 2008 where it says 2007, but overall it is a masterpiece!
From the USA Today article:
"The organizer of an American Heart Association luncheon on Feb. 15 in Fairbanks said Palin asked to bring daughter Piper to the event, and the organizer said she was surprised when Palin showed up with daughter Willow and Bristol as well."

"...daughter," seems weird and a subsitute for Bristol from Anchorage could be who went?

OT- I applaud all of you creative folks with the ingenious screen names, I wish I had taken the time to come up with something more interesting.

BOT- Uncovering inconsistencies may be the best way to uncover the truth, because we may never get it from witnesses. I get excited when one of us finds "a thread" that could unravel Vapira's cape. Obviously, repeated critisism of other contributors here, isn't stopping us, so I'm thinking maybe we can all spend time here as bretheren, united in a common cause, open minded and encouraging of each other. A little "hippy-dippy," perhaps, but by "Eeyoring" and shutting each other down, we do more damage to our cause than any post which points out an inconsistency.

If any of us is so certain that we will never be taken seriously and we are constantly going down the wrong track and NOT EVER focussing on exactly what a commentor thinks we should, why would a commentor like that keep coming back?
(Is that a great SP-type sentence or what?)

I like to laugh and smile each day, and think is is a prerequisite for optimal health. It's just a bit exasperating to have a wet blanket thrown on myself and my friends here on Audrey's blog.

JMHO,
Penny

Punkinbugg said...

Sorry, one more thought RE: the AHA banquet.

In Fairbanks.

Miles from Juneau, miles from Wasilla.

Isn't it possible that a harried event planner looks up and sees Sarah toting Piper and two teenage girls and assumes both of the older girls are Bristol and Willow?

We have seen just how many times these girls are misidentified.

This is a big event - HERE are the photos from this year's event. Richard Simmons was there!!

Interesting that there are ZERO photos from the 2008 event.

Littl' Me said...

I just wonder by now, how the Palin girls got out of attending school w/o any official calling SP on it.
I mean - No-Child-Left-Behind, etc. Wouldn't they have raised a truancy flag? Or were all those trips taken on weekends? (I haven't checked the calendar...)

Daniel Archangel said...

Diana's timeline says:

4-13-2008 Kids stay in Wasilla to finish school after Legislative session ended.


And we know that how exactly? According to the travel records, Willow flew to Anchorage on 3/28, without a return, even though SP and Piper did on April 6, after a week while school was in session. Willow doesn't travel again until everyone starts to again in June.

Willow also missed Feb 22 - Mar 2. We still don't have confirmation she was actually in school the two weeks prior to scheduled Spring break, although I'm not sure what Diana's source for those dates are. (I'll trust her.)

The key is that Willow now has no alibi for much of the time period, and especially no explanation for not returning to Juneau -- if, in fact, she was going to school there -- during the critical time period from the end of March until the end of the school year. That's the time when a May due date pregnancy could not be disguised by winter clothes outdoors or loose clothes indoors.

As a maturing girl, Willow's body changes could have been passed off as getting chubby. But as the photo now confirmed from 9/14/07 shows, she had the physically maturity at that time to become pregnant.

To those who say that just going on flights excludes Willow, I would response that the governor and her family probably did not have to remove shoes and coats for security like the rest of us. And in winter, in Alaska, coats could hide Willow's condition, if she was pregnant, particularly since nobody would suspect her of being pregnant. If she looked a little rotund, an random observer would probably just think she's chunky.

As for Bristol, the travel records don't add anything we didn't already know. She's got no alibi, just like Willow.

Dangerous

Mary G. said...

Well, perhaps a last post from me on the AHA banquet. Yes, we should look carefully at the travel documents. I believe that the three girls went to Fairbanks and stayed in the fancy hotel--I do not believe they all attended other events (except for Piper and Willow at the Iron Dog finish; maybe Bristol on the sidelines, but she flew to Anchorage a full day earlier than the others). The fact that Palin has now retracted her request for reimbursements says that the girls did not attend official events.
I have tried to parse Bartel's statement--with the governor, you just make it happen--but even this feeble answer did not come until months after the event. AND it only came as a result of Palin and her staff going through the records and calendar and adding justifications for the daughters' travel (and now she has retracted them!)
I can't believe that there are NO other reports about this luncheon and no one else seems to have attended. Perhaps it is time to contact Bartels (who, like CBJ, seems to have clammed up after her one encounter with the MSM).

Diana, have you also checked the documents Kathleen linked to a while back, with the calendar? You have done a great job. And on the Palindeception website, I think there are other events--flight to L.A. for Newsweek conference, the Elan Frank documentary April 7 & 8; Americorps volunteers, etc. Not that you need to add these.

AKPetMom said...

Great job on your timeline Diana. Just a few things that you might want to clarify or just file away for your own information.

Link below to state page regarding dates of governor’s picnics, 2007. There is traditionally an Anchorage picnic as well as a Mat-Su picnic. The dates of 2007 events were 7/27 (Mat-Su) and 7/28 (Anchorage)

Link:
http://ltgov.state.ak.us/reports.php?id=3493

Also regarding Track Palin, don’t forget that it has been speculated that he engaged in school bus vandalism in Wasilla in November 2005. Track is never mentioned or blamed and one of the kids involved even made a statement that Track had nothing to do with it. However, the popular opinion here in the Valley is that Track was involved and Mommy helped to cover it up.

Track went away to school in Portage Michigan for most of his senior year (2006-2007) to presumably “play hockey” but returned home in March 2007 to graduate w/his class. He then joined the military in and was deployed in Sept 2008.

Popular thinking has it that Track chose military service over jail and that he went away to Michigan while the trials of his friends were going on and his parents sent him away to get him away from the “bad element” that he had been spending time with. He and Bristol both have a reputation in Wasilla as being “complete party hounds”. My neighbor is in his late 20’s and doesn’t know the Palin kids but some of his younger friends have “partied” with the Palin kids or know of them by reputation. Gossip yes, but these are not the first people to talk about the “hard partying ways” of the two older Palin kids.

So when the 9/14/2007 family photo was taken Track was probably on his way to begin military service, or was on a break after basic training.

Just to remind you of this tidbit as Track is mentioned in the timeline.

Couple of articles regarding Track activities:

http://frontiersman.com/articles/2005/12/06/news/news2.txt

http://mythandhope.blogspot.com/2008/09/track-palin-in-michigan.html

Thanks for putting that timeline together. I hope something comes of this in the end because we’ve all spent a lot of time pondering it and even more “finger time” typing about it :-)

my veri word was "dists" hope I didn't "diss" the Palin kids too badly!

AKPetMom said...

Also just for the record. The Iron Dog race begins in Big Lake, a community about 10 miles north of Wasilla. It is located around, you got it, a lake, a big lake called "Big Lake". We alaskans are so clever with our names....

dumb said...

I would like to know what you all are basing your assertions on regarding the Iron Dog Finish video. Is there proof that it is Willow in the video? It is being stated as fact that it is Willow so I was wondering how you came to that conclusion since you cannot clearly see her face.
I had always assumed that it wasn't Willow but maybe Bristol or a cousin because the girl in the video is much to tall to be Willow. Willow is considerably shorter than Sarah, and barely reaches Todds chin. The girl in the video is about Sarah's same height and comes about eye level to Todd.
Here is a good shot of Todd, Willow and Sarah to judge their heights on. It is taken Oct 24th 2008, 9 months after the Iron Dog finish.

http://tinyurl.com/aslzfw

VN Media said...

Diana,

Very impressive timeline. It's hard to refute that there is a large block of time where Bristol is essentially out of the loop and that block of time just happens to be in the last trimester of Trigg's gestation. The timeline does support my initial theory that Trigg was born in perhaps mid to late April. I was not aware that there were rumors of Bristols pregnancy in the fall of 2007. The timing of her leaving school around the time of these rumors is interesting.

SP's house is crumbling at a pretty fast rate. It won't be long before something really big hits the fan. It may be this story or another but once it happens we might see people coming out of the woodwork to add more info to pregnancy issue.

PathosVastus said...

Below is a link to a pic of Jamie Oliver's wife Jools who is 8 months pregnant (with her 3rd child) and is barely showing. She could have easily hid this pregnancy..it doesn't even look like she's wearing maternity clothes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1156943/My-bumps-bigger-bump-Pregnant-Jools-Oliver-compares-bellies-expectant-friend.html

(for those of you who don't know him, Jamie is a British cook with shows and many cookbooks)

Craig said...

Dangerous;

Just to clarify, I stated in an earlier comment that what I was going to say was NOT "nail in the coffin" info. I also never made the argument that Bristol couldn't have been at the AHA luncheon. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else.

In fact, I said that if the AHA organizer is right, Sarah, Bristol and Willow all attended.

My point being, since Sarah was just a few weeks away from making her pregnancy announcement, it is likely that she would have already been scheming her alledged baby conspiracy. So why needlessly put the 6-month pregnant teenage daughter (whoever it was) out in a very public event, with media presence too?

Purposely displaying a pregnant teenager in a (likely) meet-and-greet luncheon, with a lot of eyes checking out the first family? Seems like a rather illogical decison to me, for a conspirator to make.

And someone can't just say "well, Sarah simply is illogical". That kind of thinking would be an easy way for people to dismiss any ill-fitting information, I'm sure you would agree.

Just speaking for myself, it's hard to fit this kind of public appearance into a conspiracy narrative.

anne s said...

RE: Jamie Oliver's wife

She sure does have a flat tummy..and it said she has 2 other kids so she's not "young" and this is the first pregnancy

As for Palin having the same experience.. I'd have to see what Oliver's previous pregnancies looked like.. maybe she "always" barely shows

Palin looked like monster belly in her first pregnancy.. I have no clue.. do you vary in size with each pregnancy? I have only had one child. My sister had 4 and is very athletic.. but with all (over a period of 10 years) was pretty much the same size with all of them (at least towards the end).

If S.P. did have Trig after all.. and had a teeny belly.. to me that spells trouble. I'm being bad here but was she trying to starve her little D.S. baby? Even stick figure Nicole Ritchie got a watermelon belly.

I just can't see, and pure guess here, a woman getting gigantic 20 years ago with her first child .. and then in her 40's (the body isnt as forgiving) manage to just have a little bitty lump.

Truthseeker2 said...

I just looked at the photo that PathosVastus referred us to, and I'd say it shows exactly the opposite -- I can see the shape of both women's large baby bumps and even some skin showing the bulge on the woman on the left. Not even remotely comparable to the flat abdomen of SP.

Kudos to Diana for taking action to move things forward -- well done! I actually think your log would be stronger if it were set up in two columns -- on the left "just the facts, ma'am" and on the right you could include your commentary. I'll try to go through it in detail, (note SP was nominated on 8/29) and really appreciate the effort this took.

Mary G. said...

Thanks for the link to this year's lavish AHA Go Red Event in Fairbanks--I will definitely search the Newsminer archives for last year's. It did not look like the kind of event you could not fit a few extra children into....

And thanks for the picture of Jools Oliver--if you don't think that beautiful round belly is that of a pregnant woman, I don't know what a non-pregnant woman should look like. Note, too, how a scarf, having once ascended the curves of such roundness, flutters gently at the bottom--it does not lie "flat" and still, as Palin's did.

Windy City Woman said...

Naked Truth, I think, indeed, that Sarah might lie about which daughter(s) attended the Iron Dog race, or other event(s), if telling the truth would lead more people to believe that one of her older daughters was Trig's birth mother.

For instance, let's say Bristol is Trig's birth mom. If Willow attended Iron Dog, but Bristol did not because she was hiding her pregnancy from the public, Sarah could lie and say the reverse (that Bristol attended and Willow did not), putting doubt in the minds of those who believe that Bristol was pregnant. Of course if there are event pix all over the place of Willow, and they are CLEARLY of Willow (the 2 older girls do look alike), then the lie could be uncovered. Of course if the state web site removed all the pix of the event...

***********************

Regarding the travel records of all the Palin ladies, isn't it possible that some of the daughters flew to the city of an event without actually attending the event? Just so they could all be together? Maybe the pregnant daughter just sat in the hotel? Or is this getting too weird?

**************************

Kathleen, regarding your remark dated 2/26 at 6:36 (re the photo), if Bristol was pregnant, and the family wanted to hide it, I really doubt that they would have issued an official family photo showing her pregnant tummy. She does show a bit of tummy in that photo, but I can't see the family producing official evidence if they were trying to hide a daughter's pregnancy.

Mary G. said...

From Friday Feb. 22-Wed Feb. 27, Palin (and Todd, for part of it) were at the D.C. conference; the 28th and 29th, Juneau schools were off. It makes sense that for such a long parental absence, coupled with a shortened school week, Willow and Piper would have remained in the Wasilla area, perhaps with grandparents or other family. March 2, a Sunday, the family returned to Juneau to resume school and work.
I do think that actually Willow may have attended school in Wasilla after March 27. I don't know if there is a natural break or not, but Palin was not going to be "on duty" in Juneau again until some time in May. And I recall being surprised that Willow was not in the Elan Frank documentary of early April--but it may be for this reason.
Bristol's absence from public view is much longer, and cannot be said to cover for a shorter time for Willow.
The timing (what with the Texas conference and Palin's surprising the people of Alaska with her "new" baby), is actually quite impressive.

onething said...

Amy1 indicated that school attendance records are on a par with private medical information being covered under HIPPA. Is that true? I had assumed that if I did something worthy of fame and interested parties wanted to make articles about me, or put my life into Wikipedia, that they could call around and get my school attendance records.

-Just want to say that I have never particularly believed the idea that the family planned to give up the baby for adoption.

Truthseeker2 said...

I see that one of SP's potential rivals, Governor Jindal, has now admitted to making up a story about his role during Katrina: http://tinyurl.com/dapn3z.
I guess he's had a pretty bad week! But it's nothing like Sarah's will be when this story cracks open. I have no doubt that the information about her pregnancy hoax will be revealed at the most inopportune moment, if it hasn't been uncovered or admitted sooner. Clearly the key Repub operatives know the truth, and they will sell it to the highest bidder.

onething said...

DIANA!

I am reading through your timeline, and am getting confused. You say their are no Bristol travel reports from October to June, yet you list:

3-15-2008 Bristol returns from Juneau to Anchorage. Revised and amended to “not show” they were staying in Wasilla. Flies back to Juneau 3-23. What is going on during this time?

And when did Bristol get to Juneau? I see no report of that.

I also lost track of Willow. You show her traveling on 3-1 and 3-23. On 3-1 Willow and Piper are on the report going to Iditarod, wherever that is, and then it says returns to Juneau the next day. But it is unclear whether you just mean that Sarah returns?

Then on 3-23 you have Willow and Piper returning to Juneau. Where has Willow been?

And after 3-28 she goes AWOL anyway...
gotta hand it to Willow to be on the honor roll with all that traveling!

Dangerous:

"But as the photo now confirmed from 9/14/07 shows, she had the physically maturity at that time to become pregnant."

I need to point out again that I am not against the Willow theory, just don't find it as likely. But are you aware that girls are relatively infertile for about two years after they start menstruating?

B said...

PathosVastus,

Jools was a model, so probably tall, unlike Palin. Also, did she have a first pregnancy that looked humongous like Palin's, before this subsequent not-humongous one?

At least one comparison to Palin is valid: Jools gave her daughters unique names, Poppy Honey and Daisy Boo.

jeanie said...

B - are you sure? I found the 'wikipedia' route and it says that it starts in Big Lake near Wasilla. Not that it matters - Diana's timeline is great and fills in lots of blanks. Great job!

FWIW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Dog

onething said...

B said,

"Jools was a model, so probably tall, unlike Palin."

No probably about it, she towers over the other woman. And she really does have a fairly large belly, the top of which is partly obscured by that long scarf, making the fullness appear less. But if you look below the scarf and follow a normal curvature of the belly, it isn't that small at all.

The gods of synchronicity have not favored me with a remarkable word verification.

Truthseeker2 said...

I just googled Jools Oliver (I had never heard of her before) and found this photo of her "showing off her baby bump" at 3 months pregnant with her third child -- and she is bigger than SP was in photos taken when she would have been 7 months. See
http://tinyurl.com/ahjk6k and
http://tinyurl.com/ajc4js

Daniel Archangel said...

Craig said:

Purposely displaying a pregnant teenager in a (likely) meet-and-greet [AHA Feb 15, 2008]luncheon, with a lot of eyes checking out the first family? Seems like a rather illogical decison to me, for a conspirator to make.
...
Just speaking for myself, it's hard to fit this kind of public appearance into a conspiracy narrative.


I agree.

This is the only time we have all three Palin women together, indoors, surrounded by people during the critical time frame. The travel records seem to prove that conclusively.

But without evidence from that event, it is not conclusive. If SP was pregnant, nobody noticed either. I have to guess there were lots of doctors attending that event.

We don't know what any of the Palin women looked like at that event. Maybe they never took their coats off and stayed by themselves off to the side. My point is that all we have is conjecture and speculation.

To the question of why SP would take the chance revealing a pregnant daughter at such an event, direct evidence may explain that circumstance. Fairbanks would be safer than Juneau or Anchorage, where many more people knew the Palin girls. Hiding them completely would also raise suspicions.

A faked pregnancy is like a magic show in many ways. The magician has to show you the article before performing the slight of hand. SP had not announced her pregnancy yet, so if someone had noticed either of the girls pregnant at that luncheon, she'd know the trick won't work. In other words, there wasn't a active conspiracy yet, just plans if at all. Once SP announced, it would be an active ruse with no going back.

My verification word was 'flishe' as in 'fishy'.

Dangerous

Anonymous said...

Diana - here is a link to Sarah's schedule for April 2008.

http://www.box.net/shared/rnyay36se0

For those who doubt the validity of the schedule, as it was released by her office and therefore cannot be relied upon, I can say that I have checked events for every day of the officially released April schedule and have been able to confirm that she was present at 95% of them. The few events that I cannot confirm DO NOT imply that SP was not present merely that there is no evidence to support her being so.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Windy City Woman

I agree that it would seem unlikely that Sarah would allow an official photograph of Bristol to be released if she was obviously pregnant. However, it is possible at this early stage that SP did not KNOW that Bristol was pregnant, if indeed she was so, and that there was therefore no reason not to allow the photograph to be taken.

I can, however, reveal that our research has uncovered the fact that SP was questioning Bristol months before that photo was taken as to the possibility of her being pregnant. This would seem to imply that Bristol was indeed sexually active during the year 2007 and so the possibly certainly exists that Bristol could have become pregnant during the year 2007 and that she gave birth to Trig some time during 2008.

Kathleen

midnightcajun said...

At the risk of beating the Gusty horse to death, something leapt out at me when looking through Sarah's April 08 calendar:

April 13: 2:45pm-3:00pm--GOV: Press Availability (JNU 2ND Fl. Capitol)

5:00 GOV Live Shot w/Channel 2--Andrea Gusty re: session (JNU--Governor's Office)

Note two things: First, there is a strange long break of two hours between the end of the "press availability" and the prescheduled live shot with Gusty. Why?

Second, that live shoot was scheduled to be in the Governor's Office (a much more logical place to have it), but instead it was shot in an empty, box-filled hall in front of the legislature. Why?

Craig said...

Dangerous;

"SP had not announced her pregnancy yet, so if someone had noticed either of the girls pregnant at that luncheon, she'd know the trick won't work."


But that is assuming that anyone who was suspicious would walk up to the Governor and basically say, "Is Bristol/Willow pregnant?"

I doubt anyone would be that bold and risk embarrassing themselves or insulting their Governor.

So, realistically, Sarah was risking that some people may notice something, and when Sarah announces her own pregnancy several weeks later, now you have people who either spread a line of gossip that they saw one of the daughter's actually look pregnant at this event, or someone who may come out publically and question it.

Just doesn't add up for me.

(However, it is true that Sarah did address with McAllister the rumour that Bristol was pregnant, sometime before Sarah herself announced her pregnancy. But I don't know if that conversation was before or after the AHA event. But if it WAS before the AHA luncheon, that would be EVEN MORE reason for Sarah to not display a pregnant daughter in a public event.)




"We don't know what any of the Palin women looked like at that event. Maybe they never took their coats off and stayed by themselves off to the side."

Okay, now how suspicious would THAT look!!!! The Governor and her daughters voluntarily attend a big public luncheon and keep their winter coats on and hang out togther in isolation of everyone else. Sorry, I can't buy that.

Look, a picture would be nice, but given what the known pictures from this general timeframe have shown, it probably would not be definitive of anything.

But this risky display of an allegedly pregnant child just before engaging in an audacious baby conspiracy, just doesn't pass the smell test for me.

Mary G. said...

School calendars are often available online and in newspapers. School menus are published each week, and frequently days off, early dismissals, and vacation days are noted. I am saying this because this is a relatively non-invasive form of information that we can access to determine a person's possible whereabouts.
As for an individual student's attendance, I suppose that is a matter between parents and school officials.
I do think that some observations regarding children are somewhat gratuitous and non-helpful because such observations are subjective. Thus, notice of Willow at times borders on the uncomfortable, to me, at least. We have few photos of her from the earlier time period, so I don't know how anyone can tell what her stage of growth was in, say, fall of 2007. And outward appearances really tell us very little for children of this age.
Determining if she went to school is one thing, and might signify something of importance. I really don't think we can speculate further.

SS in CA said...

Great job on the timeline, Diana! For those who are more visual, I wonder if the timeline can be graphed or charted, with each Palin being given a color, to show where they were at any given time. It seems tricky with so many variables (dates, locations and people), but there has to be a way. Ideas?

Mary G. said...

Good observation, midnightcajun, on the Gusty shot info from the April calendar. It jumped out at me, too, because they also completely messed up on the TV station Gusty works for--she is on channel 11, not channel 2 (for a politician who governs by press conference, this error unprecedented for Palin's schedule!). Couple this with the fact that the report Gusty filed with her station, KTVA, beginning, "the halls were silent last night after the end of the legislative session," blah, blah, and I think we have a quiet photo op set up to leave a picture, literally, of a very pregnant Palin "on the record." Why they did it in the box-filled hallway still boggles the mind, but I think we can say pretty confidently that this was a staged shot and a staged "live" interview (long after everyone else had gone home....).

Patrick said...

Diana (11:37),

THANK YOU for your great discovery!

The “2007 Christmas Picture”, which has always bugged me, is in fact from 2006 and not from 2007!

By the way, this picture was not printed in “Trailblazer”, but in the “official” biography of Sarah Palin, written by Kaylene Johnson. We found the picture about two months ago after we had bought the book – it would have been the only existing picture of Bristol between the 14th September 2007 and the 25th April 2008.

But no – it’s just another (little) hoax. And I am glad you have exposed it – one small step after another.

The solution to this puzzle is, as you have observed correctly, the wreath on the wall.

All the pictures I am going to mention are also combined together in this flickr-album I made specifically for this topic:

http://tinyurl.com/aaaa2o

Here is the Cristmas picture again:

http://tinyurl.com/blxy4v

This was the Governor’s open house in December 2006:

http://tinyurl.com/chsq5a

Here is the close-up of the wreath:

http://tinyurl.com/awy7b5

And here we have two pictures of the Governor’s open house in December 2007, followed by close-ups of the wreath:

http://tinyurl.com/cmo8ww

http://tinyurl.com/d5spz9

http://tinyurl.com/brs86z

http://tinyurl.com/dlafsb

It is obvious that the wreath of 2006 matches EXACTLY with the Christmas picture in the book by Kaylene Johnson, which is there credited as being a picture from 2007.

The wreath in the 2007 open house pictures looks completely different. Additionally, there is also a small framed picture standing in 2007 next to the wreath (on the right side from the viewer) which also would have shown in the Christmas picture.

Therefore it is clear: The “2007 Christmas picture” is from 2006!

As a consequence, there is not a single picture of Bristol Palin existing between 14th September 2007 to 25th April 2008!

We are now getting closer to the truth, step by step. There have been some important discoveries lately, and we are starting to get a much clearer picture with regard to what really happened.

But Diana, the second part of your post really confused me. The “green sweater” picture is not from 2008 – it is from 2006, as we have shown conclusively. In Audrey’s “Once and for all” post this is explained in detail.

Patrick (PD Research)

GinaM said...

IMO we will never find out the truth to this story until someone(Levi, Bristol, maybe even Sherri) talks. SP will most likely resign as Governor before she lets this story get out. Her political career is going downhill so fast, even babygate won't make a difference.

Patrick said...

Here is finally Sarah's official schedule from 1st March to 18th April 2008 for download - I have also included several days for February because of the "luncheon" controversy (I will later comment on that separately).

The schedule was obtained through a FOIA request.

It is an interesting document - it is obvious that the schedule was written "in retrospect", which becomes clear for example when you look on the 17th and 18th April - no evening events are mentioned on the 17th April, and on the 18th April it just says "Trig's birth" and several TV-interviews (and the signing of a bill in the afternoon - doesn't she have a deputy Governor...?).

By the way, it's a pretty full schedule on the morning of the 17th April, just after her "water had broken"! ;-)

Please download here:

http://www.box.net/shared/clahh4tas1

Patrick (PD Research)

AKPetMom said...

I'm confused because the wreath is the same, both in 2007 and 2006, actually in all of the photos the wreath is the same. If there is a photo that points out that the wreath is different, please point that out in a new comment. I just don't see it.
I'm sure that the Governor's mansion has a stash of Xmas goods that they bring out every year to decorate; fake stuff that goes up year after year, and frankly that's all I see is the same wreath and the same decorations. As far as the picture, well that could have appeared within minutes as someone was decorating the mantle.
I don't see anything here. If you have the definitive two comparison photos, please just post those together so that we may compare.
Thanks!

onething said...

"As a consequence, there is not a single picture of Bristol Palin existing between 14th September 2007 to 25th April 2008!"

Except for the myspace pictures with Mercede, which are undated, with a newborn Trig, right?

B said...

Re: Christmas with the Heaths

I always thought the kids looked a little young for 2007 in that Christmas picture. Good eyes, Diana.

I hadn't thought the timing was important, since the picture is too fuzzy to show bellies for anyone. But you are right, Patrick, that it means we have no pictures of Bristol from around the time she would have started showing if she were pregnant with Trig, until after his birth.

My Q: Does anyone know if the man behind Molly and next to Chuck is her current husband, Mr. Hackett (who may be the PI Hackett hired by the Heaths to trail Wooten)? He looks like Trooper Wooten to me, but you'd have to go back to Xmas 2004 to pre-date their hostilities. I can't imagine he would be at the family gathering for the sake of the children, or that they would invite him.

B said...

Windy City Woman said...
"Regarding the travel records of all the Palin ladies, isn't it possible that some of the daughters flew to the city of an event without actually attending the event? Just so they could all be together? Maybe the pregnant daughter just sat in the hotel? Or is this getting too weird?"

Not too weird for me. This year Bristol went up to Fairbanks with Tripp for the end of the Iron Dog. I didn't see any pictures of them outside greeting Todd. She said she was there in part to see her grandparents, Todd's dad and stepmother, who winter outside of Alaska but came up for the race.

So the Iron Dog conclusion seems like a reunion for Todd's side. Bristol could have gone just for the family gathering in 2008. (Of course, that would mean Todd's family was in on the secret.)

wayofpeace said...

HUFF.POST / Sam Stein
February 28, 2009 04:45 PM

Romney Wins CPAC Poll,
Palin Tied For Third

In the first strong indication of where conservative hearts lie for the 2012 presidential race, Mitt Romney won the Conservative Political Action Conference straw poll on Saturday, earning the backing of 20 percent of the crowd. It was his former Massachusetts Governor's third straight win and followed a well-received speech to the CPAC crowd just one day earlier.

The results of the CPAC Straw Poll provide a small, albeit interesting window into the affections and leanings of the conservative movement. Following Romney, the next largest vote recipients included, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal with 14 percent of the vote, Rep. Ron Paul with 13 percent and Gov. Sarah Palin with 13 percent.

For the Alaska Governor, the belle of the conservative movement in the '08 election, the results aren't the best of news. Her non-appearance at CPAC, however, may have contributed to the tied-for-third-place finish.

Truthseeker2 said...

AKPetMom, if you look carefully you will see that the locations of the ornaments are different for the two years. Diana, thanks for your hard work and good eyes! Now I know why the image of Willow was nagging at me in the B&W photo -- she looks just like she did in the 2006 inauguration photos. Now that makes more sense!

B said...

AKPetMom said...
I'm confused because the wreath is the same, both in 2007 and 2006,

It looks to be the same wreath hung differently. Look at the white round peppermint ornament at the lowest area. In the family photo and the 2006 Open House, it is bottom right on the wreath. In the 2007 Open House picture it is center left in the lowest area.

Unless the wreath was moved in 2007 between the family shot and the open house, the family photo is 2006. Could be Kaylene's mistake.

Patrick said...

@AKPetMom:

You are right, it is certainly a good idea to explain this "wreath issue" in more detail. Here are crops of the wreath with my explanations - you will see that the 2006 picture with the Governor's website matches with the Christmas picture from the book, but not the website picture from 2007.

Christmas picture with explanations:

http://tinyurl.com/cdambu

2006 website picture with explanations:

http://tinyurl.com/cf9dop

2007 website pictures with explanations:

http://tinyurl.com/al8v9j

@onething:

Yes, I forgot about the Mercede pictures. We don't know when they were taken. It is likely that they were taken before 25th April 2008. However, the question here is also whether Trig was really "newborn" on the Mercede pictures, or rather born much earlier and only recently released from hospital. We don't know yet, but we will find out at some point.

@B:

I think it is highly unlikely that Trooper Wooten is in the Christmas picture.

Patrick (PD Research)

Anonymous said...

I find that the travel expenses pdf and the timeline that Diana has produced is easier to manage/read as a hard copy but that means printing out 150 or so pages.....not something for the faint hearted :-)

Kathleen

heehee my verification word is chaut....a hot bang bang perhaps?

Patrick said...

I was doing some research regarding the "Red Woman fundraising luncheon" on Friday 15th Feb 2008, and then I found something which we have never discovered before and actually supports the idea that SP attended this event with Bristol, Willow and Piper.

But we can only solve this puzzle if we don't ignore the facts.

On google, I found this document:

northpolealaska.com/index2.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_view&gid=68&Itemid=104 -

Here is the tinyurl:

http://tinyurl.com/bprb3l

This link just leads to a document, not to a webpage.

As you can see, it is the protocol of a regular council meeting of the city of North Pole (located outside of Fairbanks) which took place on 19th February 2008.

On pages 5/6, it says:

"Mrs. Weber attended the Go Red for Women fundraiser, the American Heart Associations fundraiser for educating the public on heart disease Friday, February 15th. Governor Palin was in attendance with her three daughters and was very gracious. More women die of heart disease than breast cancer nationally."

So, we now have an even harder nut to crack.

By the way, I always had the impression that Trig was born much earlier than most of us initally thought.

I was always looking for an explanation for the stage 3 babyfood on Sarah's desk in August 2008, and could never find a convincing answer.

I am still convinced that Bristol is the mother of Trig. But it looks that Trig was much born earlier than we originally thought IMHO.

Interesting that we were fixed for such a long time on the 18th April as the birthdate - thanks to the "wild ride"!

There is another interesting fact about the luncheon from 15th February 2008:

From the travel documents we can see that Bristol flew back to Anchorage ALONE on Saturday, 16th February, boarding at 6.40pm. She didn't stay for the Iron Dog's banquet.

SP and the others flew back on Sunday, 17th February, in the morning.

Why was Bristol in such a hurry?

Patrick (PD Research)

JillyG said...

I wanted to address some of the issues that have come up regarding Down Syndrome.
My daughter has DS and she was born about 6 weeks early. She weighed 7lbs 8oz! She had a heart defect but it was small and is supposed to heal on its own over time. She also had jaundice and yet in spite of all of this we went home at the normal time - 2 days after birth.
I wanted to breastfeed her but as it's been noted it's common for babies with DS to have low muscle tone - and she also has a high/narrow palate so she could not latch properly. I had ZERO success pumping for my first baby so I was ready to give in and formula feed but it turned out that I was able to pump enough to feed her almost exclusively breast milk for her first year.
It was really hard but it is doable.

Babies with DS can be or just appear to be sleepier than babies their age without DS - they are generally more "sack of potatoes like" and they lack the muscle tone to so a lot of the things that make babies seem more alert and connected.

It's VERY normal (and very sad and very difficult I might add) to feel detached from a baby that is not "perfect" and I know first hand how much of a shock it can be to have a baby with DS. I did not know before the birth of my baby that she had DS but I can pretty much guess that had I known I might have had to do some very serious soul searching/praying/grieving before I would feel ready to come out and deal with it publicly.
For all of these reasons, (and I've surely missed some of them!) I feel that the whole approach from the angle of DS and how it should be handled is just not wise.

I do NOT believe that SP birthed Trig. I feel in my heart it was Bristol. I do not know how I feel with regard to the dates/timing but I am sure that Bristol was nursing or pumping based on the photos of her at the RNC. I beleive that no teenaged boy would so tenderly kiss a baby that was not his own, ESPECIALLY one with DS as people in general tend to not know how to "be" in such cases - my experience anyway.
I don't know or really care when Trig was born but I do just wish that the truth would come out.

If SP had truly altruistic reasons for assuming the role of mother to Trig, I could find it in my heart to let that go - it's the fact that she seems to be digging so much deeper with her lies/coverup that seem to be only for personal gain that makes me less likely to ever trust her again though.

Sad situation.

Amy1 said...

Hi Diana -- you are doing some mighty fine connecting of the dots.

A tiny correx: pls remove this photo from your flickr and substitute this one.

The latter has the right date (Apr 13) in the caption for the Gusty photo, and I forget what other minor correx.

Nova Land said...

The question has been asked several times, Did Todd Palin accompany Sarah Palin on the Kuwait trip?

I think the answer is no.

Here is a 7-minute you-tube clip of Sarah Palin in Kuwait. There is no sign of Todd in any of the scenes, including one in which Sarah is going through a cafeteria line. While it is quite possible that Todd would have stayed in the background for some of the events, in order to let Sarah shine, I think if he had been there he would at least have been present to go through the line with her and to sit with her at the table.

The purpose of the trip was to visit the Alaska National Guard troops who were serving over there and to thank them for their service. In one scene, Sarah is standing there shaking hands with people, like in a receiving line. If Todd had been along on the trip, shouldn't he have been greeting and thanking the troops as well? Not stealing the spotlight is one thing, but avoiding the troops altogether is quite another.

This doesn't prove Todd wasn't there -- but I think it strongly indicates that.

Daniel Archangel said...

To Craig,

We seem to have another running discussion.

I think we both have to many woulda's, coulda's, shoulda's regarding the AHA luncheon. If one of her daughers was pregnant, I agree she wouldn't have done it if they were planning to fake it AND her daughter's condition would be obvious to casual contacts. Hence, if one of the daughters was pregnant, they were not showing too much and her condition was disguisable.

We KNOW SP didn't look pregnant, however, so if she wanted to hide her condition -- as she said she did -- it won't make sense for her to be around people undisguised. Fortunately, she had the perfect disguise: not looking pregnant at all.

So I think it is more likely that SP tried to disguise her daughter's pregnancy at the luncheon -- perhaps as a test -- than SP being lucky enough to want to disguise a pregnancy AND being able to do so without a disguise! You might weight the odds differently.

This is valid to debate because we are weighing the circumstantial evidence -- Bristol and Willow at a public event -- against various theories. The only reasonable outcome in this case is inconclusive. Direct evidence from that luncheon can only be conclusive that one of the girl was pregnant. Even if neither of the girls looked pregnant, neither did SP.

Dangerous

Amy1 said...

JillyG -- thank you for a v moving and heart-wrenching post. Which contains info I would never dare ask about in regular life. One of the features of this new world of blogging (with all the minusses that Morgan shields us from with her undoubtedly tedious but very appreciated moderation) is that we can ask/offer info that would be too personal in real life.

Your comments are heart-wrenching to me because they point to the reality that none of us knows where our babies come from or are going -- with "normal" or "perfect" babies we have the illusion that we do, but so often we come to realize otherwise. When we conceive, we are "fly fishing in the universe," even when we think we know everything (like the Dad and his background and even our own genetic backgound), and certainly we birth our babies into an uncertain future -- however much we try to shore it up and make it good, we can never guarantee anything, as victims of war and so many other circumstances know.

I too have always wondered whether this SP debacle might not have had some very generous, take-charge, can-do, "I'll make it right for my dear ones" motives at its outset. I like to think it did. And I would respect and condone that, too, even with the inevitably imperfect aspects of any such effort.

And if it weren't for the other Palin-gates and their unsavory "fitness for office" implications, I would v assertively give SP a pass on belly-gate, assuming that there was w world of pain and grief behind the visible data -- and who am I to judge another person dealing with v trying circumstances. I could trust and forgive a lot.

But it's the fitness-for-office thing, the obvious lying, the implications for leadership (esp when one gets into a deep, confusing situation) that bother me. In contrast, Obama's responses when he has found himself in some sticky mud have been to my liking: honesty! humility. Or at least so it seems to me.

I have often wondered what the reaction would be if SP could somehow shed the opportunistic, the lies, the cover-ups -- and just come clean and explain all with rigorous honesty, as anyone's religion or ethics would surely suggest one should do.

But I suppose a tiger can't change its stripes.

I agree: v sad. And sadder still if we had voted that set of leadership skills in to lead the rest of us.

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Diana,
Super job you have done, along with so many others!
One correction needs to be made to your picture file: for the first family photo with the mountain in the background, you typed 9-14-2008 when it should be 9-14-2007. The previous picture with Piper about to do a cartwheel shows 9-14,2007.

One other thing I noticed about the Christmas wreath pictures was the evergreen sprays above the doors. In 2006 the spray was straight across the top of the door, but in 2007 the spray is in the top corner. In the 2006 Heath/Palin family Christmas photo, the door to the left has the spray across the top. These appear to be matching doorways on either side of the fireplace, so it is reasonable to assume that the sprays would be placed over the doors uniformly each year. Just another reason why the Heath/Palin family Christmas photo was incorrectly labeled as 2007 by Kaylene Johnson, or Sarah Palin provided the 2006 photo to Kaylene Johnson and intentionally misrepresented it as a 2007 family photo. Can we ask Kaylene Johnson about this?

It seems to me that someone (Bristol? Levi? Sherry?) should hurry up and cash in on Sarah Palin’s hoax before too much time passes. Right now the story could still be worth millions and they could live quite comfortably without Sarah’s help. However, after the CPAC poll, Sarah was only third. After the ridiculous sing song elementary school type response that Bobby Jindal gave to President Obama’s speech (and lied about his Hurricane Katrina story), and yet he still came in above Sarah, this indicates that Sarah is losing favor in leaps and bounds.
My word verification is dipla.

Anonymous said...

Diana -

For your timeline.....

I forgot to mention in my last post that Bristol was also in Juneau from the 4th to the 6th October 2007 when she visited the HUB Juneau Christian Teen Centre along with others from the Palin family .

Kathleen

LondonBridges said...

I went back and read it and looked at the picture again...and you are right it looks like 10-23-2006 is correct. Also if you look at the 2006 Open house picture that looks like the same plaid shirt under his sweater.

*********
There are plenty of pictures of Mr. Todd wearing that shirt from different dates. It probably is his favorite "dress up" shirt.

Truthseeker2 said...

I just saw this and thought my fellow anonymous bloggers might be happy to see it too:
http://tinyurl.com/dhc2ou

Sarah might not enjoy it as much.

wayofpeace said...

wow

ONE OF THE BEST METAPHORS
I'VE EVER HEARD!

"When we conceive, we are "fly fishing in the universe..."

–AMY1

validation word:
CHEST ica,

was BP breast feeding or padded

LondonBridges said...

"Shirt"-gate?

:)

midnightcajun said...

Thank you, JillyG, for your very informative post. You addressed many questions I've had.

Given your knowledge, do you think that Trig was naturally quiet at all those functions they dragged him to, or was he being "soothed" with something like Baby Tylenol or Dimetap? I know I would never have taken my babies to anything like that; to do so would have been to risk having them scream the house down and drown out the speakers!

If Sarah were an ordinary mom in a small town, I could forgive her for the deception. I'd think she was a terrible mother (as hard as it is, allowing your teens to face the consequences of their actions is part of being a parent; otherwise you raise kids who expect someone to rush in and save them from disaster for the rest of their lives) and a conservative nutcase out of step with the modern world, but I could see it as a misguided effort to help her child.

But she KNEW she was being considered for VP. She KNEW faking her pregnancy was going to be an ongoing lie told thousands of times to colleagues, reporters, voters, etc. She condemned Bristol, Trig, and Tripp to live a lie for the rest of their lives. Trig will probably never understand what it's all about. BUt someday Tripp will discover that his "uncle" is really his brother. I suspect he will be devastated.

Babygate tells the world two important things about Sarah: she lies easier than anyone could imagine, and she makes terrible choices. It also shows that, to cover her own backside, she can be very ugly and vindictive to people who are simply telling the truth and doing their jobs. Not someone who should be anywhere near elected office.

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Looking at the travel authorizations, I noticed on Piper’s travel authorization (amended on page 18, original on page 19) the entry for 2-17-08 says “Drove from Fairbanks to Anchorage with friend. Refunded ticket” First of all, this verifies that a “friend” was also on that trip. Looking at Google maps, that is a distance of 361 miles and takes about 6 hours and 44 minutes by car. Would that be on a good day?? But in February, in Alaska, that does not seem to be reasonable to send your 6 year old on a full day long trip like that with a “friend”. And I would never do that to a friend! Was this friend Levi and perhaps Bristol rode back with him and Piper used Bristol’s ticket to fly back? Or more likely, Lauden Bruce, the cousin, was the friend, and stepped in at the AHA as a Bristol look-alike. How old is Lauden? She appears the same age or slightly older than Bristol, same height and build. It was hard for people to tell Bristol and Lauden apart in several pictures, and she could have easily blended in at the AHA event, especially since there were no pictures.
For anyone joining in, here is the link to the travel authorizations: http://media.adn.com/smedia/2009/02/25/16/Travel_Authorizations.source.prod_affiliate.7.pdf

Caroline said...

On the downloadable schedule from Patrick, it shows that on the evening of April 16 Sarah and Todd attended an event in the Rotisserie Room. It has previously been suggested that one the reasons the Palins left the convention on Friday the 17th was to avoid the formal event that evening, as Sarah wearing a trench coat and scarf might look kind of odd.

Did they attend a formal event on the evening of the 16th? If so there must be pictures of it.

Also interesting is the past-tense entry on the night of the 17th, and the lack of events on the afternoon of the 17th (ones which they were scheduled to attend but 'unexpectedly' had to change plans).

Windy City Woman said...

ProChoice Grandma,
If Sherry knows the story and wants to cash in on it (by talking to the media for money), she may have to do if after the trial if Sarah is paying for her high-price lawyer.

Patrick said...

We have discovered another bit of information which shows how SP very subtly manages to create a situation which is ultimately deceiving. In the interview which Greta van Susteren conducted with Bristol on Fox News, it was implied that this was Bristol’s “private” interview with Greta, and that SP just happened to turn up at the interview in order to get some publicity for herself.

However, close inspection shows that this is pure nonsense. For the common viewer, it appeared that the interview was conducted “at home”. And SP was just popping in, coming from “the river”. But we now know exactly where the interview took place. We found the clue hidden in the travel expense documents, which are a real treasure. SP and her kids stayed several times at the Princess Lodges hotel in Fairbanks, in the “Deluxe King” rooms. And that’s where the interview took place.

Here is the website of the Princess Lodges hotel, describing the “Deluxe King” rooms:

http://tinyurl.com/c9r3b4

(you can go on the picture and scroll around)

Here are screenshots of the interview with annotations regarding the furniture:

http://tinyurl.com/bnqray

http://tinyurl.com/ac6nxf

http://tinyurl.com/cy4cu7

Here is a screenshot of the Deluxe King room with annotations, showing that the furniture matches:

http://tinyurl.com/bfgr8l

Whilst it is not the biggest revelation in the world that the interview was conducted in a hotel, it still completely destroys the notion that Bristol somehow set-up this interview on her own and SP just happened to turn up. Of course everybody was staying there on SP’s ticket (wait for the next expense forms!) and there is simply no way that Bristol can set up a TV interview in a hotel room on her own initiative.

But the distraction worked: Lots of people commented on how horrified Bristol apparently looked when SP entered the room etc. (by the way, looking at the tape of the interview again, she doesn’t look horrified or surprised at all, sorry).

There is another bit of information which is not directly related, but still interesting: Our research has shown that Bristol had a job interview for a summer job with Princess Tours in February 2007, the company which runs Princess Lodges. Just a coincidence, probably - the Palins obviously like those places… ;-)

Patrick (PD research)

Patrick said...

@midnightcajun 9:26

That was an excellent comment! This is exactly why we spending our time with research instead of doing more pleasant activities during the evenings and weekends. SP has to be exposed, and she will be. We already know a lot - SP would not be amused if she knew...

Patrick (PD research)

Nova Land said...

Patrick wrote: "I was always looking for an explanation for the stage 3 babyfood on Sarah's desk in August 2008, and could never find a convincing answer."

I'm sorry, I haven't been paying close enough attention. What is this a reference to? Is there a picture or video with this babyfood on her desk, and if so where can it be viewed?

From quick Google, it sounds like stage 3 food isn't given to a baby before it is 9 months or so old. if Sarah had stage 3 food on her desk in August and this was for Trig's consumption, that would put his birth about November. I don't see how that's possible.

If there is such food on her desk, might it be there for some other reason than because it is what Trig is consuming? Perhaps a free sample, sent in advance by a manufacturer hopeful Palin will use it (and provide an endorsement in exchange for generous free supply)?

More details about this stage 3 baby food would be appreciated! This is the first time I recall reading about it.

Anonymous said...

Windy City Woman

I think that is highly unlikely that Sarah would/will pay for Rex Butler to defend Sherry because Rex, as Patrick pointed out several weeks ago, is a passionate outspoken Palin critic who seems to have an axe to grind against her.

Kathleen

Amy1 said...

Thx, wayofpeace -- it's not original from me, the "fly fishing in the universe," but it's stuck with me, too. Just as true for when we adopt. In fact, what's the difference, really?

The way I put it, though, to my little boys, was that when wanna-be Moms hope for a baby, God knows it, and all the tiny souls of wanna-be babies up in heaven know it too. And one day, God and a baby-soul (or two! in my case) have a little personal chat, look down at all the Moms who want babies wandering about below, and the liitle ones + God pick out the Mom. In their perfect knowledge, up there in heaven, the little ones choose the exact right Mom who will be just right for them, to help with their unique problems, or support their extraordinary potential, or challenge them in the ways that are best for them -- just do the most right thing for this unique baby.

Upon pregnancy and birth, the babies of course have no memory of this, nor any of the details, so when they wonder why their Mom is so awful, so strict, so stupid, the worst Mom ever, they have to wonder "well, then, why did I pick her? when I had perfect knowledge??"

This story is not original with me either, but I love it for its sense that we (mom + child) are in this weird thing called life TOGETHER. We have to make it work.

I guess I was initially drawn to this story by the phrase "the personal chat with God." I'm not even super-religious, but I've found this leading to comfort and good talks with my little ones at times when circumstances seemed impossible.

Punkinbugg said...

Airline tickets are non-transferable. Piper's return ticket would have to be refunded and a new ticket issued for somebody else to travel...

It also means they are paying for full-fare tickets, b/c you can't refund the back half of a (cheaper) non-refundable ticket.

(Aren't you AK taxpayers happy about that..?)

As a travel agent, in "Wild Ride" Dallas no less, these travel report comments have piqued my curiosity.

If I see anything wonky, I'll letcha know!

JillyG said...

MidnightCajun,
It's hard to say whether or not Trig was given something to keep him quiet but my gut is saying no, that he's just a complacent little guy - or was at that stage. Heaven knows my little one came out of that phase with guns blazing LOL. Babies with DS just *tend* to be (no one size fits all here, disclaimer alert!)easier going and happy to just be held or snuggled. My daughter was happy and smiley and very social at a very early age but in her early infancy she di waaaay more sleeping and just "being" than my other two children.

I don't think Bristol was padded, I think she was engorged - just my opinion of course - knowing what that is like. Pads tend to show/change the shape of the breast - hers were very bolstery looking, yes - but I think that was a too tight fitting dress that was "smushing" her breasts unnaturally flat and out.

To me, Willow does NOT look in any way like she's ever had a child. She might be maturing a lot but she still has that innocence about her that screams NO it's not ME!

OH and I have been meaning to say this - *IF* SP did in fact KNOW that her unborn baby had DS before the birth, there is ZERO chance any doc would fail to warn her of the prematurity risk. If I recall correctly from my extensive research after the birth of my child, MOST babies with DS are born early - usually around a month early - and about half require almost immediate open heart surgery. Many die during delivery (and even more are miscarried) I was one of the lucky ones and it does appear that Trig is relatively healthy, too!

I've been wondering if anyone has been seen taking little Trig to his various therapy appointments. IMO whoever it is who is present during such appointments is a clue to the puzzle because the primary caregiver/parents need to work very closely with the therapy team in order to achieve results. No doubt he's receiving early intervention services, they practically beat my door down to get us in their program (in OH granted) and our troubles were many that first few years. If Trig ISN"T receiving any such therapy then I would again have to question the judgment of the entire family. Those first months/years are crucial to later development.
Sorry for rambling - I've been following this blog since the beginning and my earlier comment seemed to get lost in the shuffle -I was feeling a little gunshy to speak up again.
Keep it up, the truth will come out!

eat whine rally said...

My bad! In the CSPAN video, the girl who has arms like Bristol, is Bristol! LB is seated further down to the left, next to Piper and can be seen when John McCain's mom is introduced.

mdlw56 said...

Diana

I checked out your site. Wonderful work. I do have a comment...that second picture on the first page, looks out of sequence. Short sleeve tops...summertime, Bristol and Piper older? And there is another picture in the governor's mansion that you are not showing...it is the 3 daughters in kitchen, dated 12-08-06. I think it was also in that magazine. And there is another picture taken on 11-07-06 where Palin is holding Piper and Parnell is also in the photo. And there is another picture of Bristol taken 07-19-08 that was in the local newspaper, and she does not look pregnant at all.

I could email them to you....

eat whine rally said...

OK, my bad, my bad!
Bristol, Levi, Piper, Track and Willow, are sitting behind the candidate-couples. In my defense, that is mind numbing video to watch, and everybody looks alike in that audience!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It is curious that this CSPAN video identifies Willow as LB though. I will continue though and see what I can find, I think I saw some strange underpinnings under Bristols arm at one point? :0

I'll get back to you, think I need a cocktail to continue on!

Penny

wayofpeace said...

AMY1,

i've heard that too. it's also told that the crease in our upper lip is made when an angel presses his/her finger on the to-be-born soul and tells her to not tell / to keep it quite.

Mary G. said...

It is amazing to me what excellent work we are accomplishing looking at this huge mountain of evidence, together! Even when there are disagreements, the discussion is always stimulating.
I find the mention of the 2008 Go Red dinner that Patrick found extremely important. Something published mere days after the event is a critical piece of evidence, and I may have to reconsider my scepticism with regard to which girls actually attended.
It is great to have so many eyes looking at the travel documents and the calendar. I helped get the calendar and schedule assembled as some research work for Audrey, but fortunately Patrick could post it in a format for all to scrutinize. And we have had great observations so far!
Thanks ProchoiceGrandma (I hope I got that right), for noticing the amended travel document stating that Palin drove back from Fairbanks with Piper and a "friend" last Feb. 2008. She refunded that ticket to the state--but perhaps some of the numerous cousins used the seats as a result. We know how Palin likes to bring those nieces around with her.... for Superbowl commercials and such.
Pretty swanky those Princess Hotel rooms! Another great find, Patrick!

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Diana,
I would like to ask if you could add one more thing to your timeline:
3-4-2008 John McCain wins Republican nomination.

The reason I ask is that in my opinion John McCain’s nomination on 3-4-08 seems like the catalyst that projected Sarah on her incredible pregnancy hoax when she announced on 3-5-08 that she was 7 months pregnant. When I realized the two dates, it felt like finding a corner piece among a jumble of jigsaw puzzle pieces. I had also seen John McCain’s name on one of her schedules, but now I can’t find it. Like many who had never heard of Palin before the Republican convention, I assumed she was surprised to be named as VP candidate in August, but I learned through this site that her name had been buzzing at least since 2007 as a potential VP candidate. With McCain winning the nomination, Palin had to make a “go or no go” decision to cover up her political embarrassment of her pregnant teen daughter. She decided to go ahead with the hoax, but her biggest mistake was not getting birth control pills for Bristol!

sg said...

Patrick:

On her blog, Greta Van Susteren was pretty up front about the interview logistics.

In this post, she mentioned how she had to get to Fairbanks to interview Bristol--which makes sense, because that is where the Iron Dog Race ends.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/02/16/behind-the-scenes-of-on-the-record-at-10pm/

(Remember, on the same night GVS showed the BP interview, she also showed her interview of SP at the Iron Dog finish on the frozen river.)

In this other post, GVS stated that the interview took place in a hotel room, and shows some pictures of the crew setting the room up.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/02/17/behind-the-scenes-of-on-the-record-at-10pm-2/

I could be mistaken, but I don't recall in the interview that GVS represented that the interview took place at the Palin residence (which is on a lake, not a river). I have a vague recollection of her mentioning going down/coming up from the river--again, references to the Iron Dog finish in Fairbanks.

Amy1 said...

Punkinbugg, although airline tickets ARE not transferable, kids don't usually have IDs, so it would be easy for a sibling to use another sibling's ticket. I go through airline security with my boys often enough lately to know that on all our flights, the security people ask "what's your name?" or ask age, and that's it as far as confirming identity for a minor, although an adult has to have the photo id (driver's license). This is true when my 14-yr-olds fly alone as adults (i.e., NOT as unaccompanied minors -- although the lax security for who the child is is true also for unaccompanied minors).

So, to my mind, it would be easy to substitute one child for another on an airline ticket.

Amy1 said...

Windy City Woman: Remember that the hot-shot lawyer is known for trying to get things settled out of court, so there is likely to be no trial for Sherry.

Those out-of-court settlements are often sealed, so we would not know what financial or other consideration Sherry might get (for example from SP) as part of some complicated deal -- which surely would include some agreement for Sherry to keep from disclosing her story for money.

Several people have noted that SP and lawyer Butler are not likely to be pals, so SP is not likely to be paying for him. And he does do pro-bono work, and such work in this case would give him nice publicity.

All speculation on my part. I wonder how it will actually play out.

mdlw56 said...

Patrickt @ 12:00

"There is another bit of information which is not directly related, but still interesting: Our research has shown that Bristol had a job interview for a summer job with Princess Tours in February 2007, the company which runs Princess Lodges. Just a coincidence, probably - the Palins obviously like those places… ;-)"

Do you know if she worked the summer job? If not, seems odd that a governor's kid did not get a summer job.

And I agree with you, I think that Bristol became pregnant early summer of 2007...see GVS interview when she asked Bristol about what happened at school (now remember, Bristol had been out of school for quite some time as she was supposedly pregnancy with Tripp). Bristol said school just got out (out of the mouth of babes, I tell ya!) (prom?) I think that Palin fired the chef, oh, wait, not fired, reassigned, on 06-29-07. I believe Palin knew Bristol was pregnant at that time. I think a chef would be the first to notice eating habits of everyone in the house. That would make the delivery in March. And I think there are two pictures that show a pregnant Bristol..look at the faces. The family photo where Bristol is wearing the green top...look at the face. I see a young lady...a few months before the second photo of the family. How in the world can that photo be a year earlier? Then look at her face in the inaugral pictures and at the mansion. And check out Piper as well. For what it is worth....

Patrick said...

sg,

thanks a lot for the info. I have to admit that I hadn't seen those pages on the Fox website where Greta explains that the interview took part in a hotel room. A viewer who had read all this certainly would have been much better informed about the general situation. However, I feel that it was disingenious to create the impression that Bristol had set-up the interview by herself, and Sarah just "happened to be there". That was the main point I was trying to make here.

Patrick (PD research)

Amy1 said...

I second what you said, ProChoice Grandma: the McCain pick and SP's announcement the v next day should be noted by us all.

Someone on this blog also pointed out "First wearing of giant scarf 2-19-08 (on palindeception website preMarch photos)."

And remember, the slavish-adoration blogger who was pushing for her to be VP had been at it for a year.

I believe the thing on SP's calendar re McCain (pre SP's selection) was this: •SP meets McCain for first time. According to the New Yorker article: "McCain had met Palin once, but their conversation--at a reception during a meeting of the National Governors Association, six months earlier [Feb 2008] -- had lasted only fifteen minutes." -- links to all these points are several weeks back in this blog, on the earlier timelines.

I also did some searching on the bus vandalism, and (true or false) two key people (one an eye-witness kid, the other the Mom of another kid) said Track was not involved. FWIW.

dumb said...

Diana,
Regarding the GVS show, the show itself was taped in the Anchorage library(the wood paneled room), but Bristols interview only was taped in the hotel room. There were two different locations for the entire show.

James said...

Amy1

There is no way that Sherry could expect to make a financial gain or other consideration from a person outside of the court system (ie SP) in this matter as she is the accused and not a victim.

An "out of court settlement" could only happen in a civil case. In a criminal case the accused can make a deal with the prosecution and the court by pleading guilty to the charges against them in order to receive a reduced sentence or probation. However, Sherry has pled not guilty to the charges and unless she changes her plea then the court case against her will still proceed and she will have to take her chances in court.

It is also worth considering that as Sherry is accused of a second and fourth degree felony involving the supply of drugs (for which the Alaskan Court sentencing guidelines recommend a jail sentence of several years) her plea bargaining power would seem to be greatly reduced.

No wonder she has turned to Rex!

BC said...

Any theory as to why the ex-husband of SP's sister wouldn't take a shot at making some big bucks by offering up what he "knows", substantiated or not?
I'm in the group that believes Bristol and Levi are the parents of Trig based on their obvious emotional attachment to him, especially demonstrated by Levi's kiss on Trigs head.
I have a very hard time believing that a young "redneck" kid would ever display that kind of emotion to any child other than his own.

dumb said...

Patrick...
Just a little info on the GVS interview.
Greta Van Susteren herself blogged throughout her entire Alaska trip. Before the interview she did discuss on her blog about her travels to Fairbanks to interview Bristol. So I don't think they were trying to make people think it was done in a home or keep the location secret.
She also stated in her blog that she had expected SP's mother to bring in baby Tripp because that was the plan, but she was surprised when SP walked in so she used the opportunity to talk to her as well. She had already planned to interview SP at the IronDog the following day.

Don't know if GVS is deliberately lying, becuase that is what she would be doing with these statements if the whole SP interuption was planned from the beginning. There is no wiggle room with these statements. This is what she stated in her own blog, during her Alaska trip

sg said...

Diana @ 3/1, 6:49PM:

The wood paneled room is the library in Anchorage. GVS said she flew up to Alaska on a Friday, and had to stop there in order to do her Friday evening show.

Then she went up to Fairbanks for her interview with BP in the hotel room Saturday AM.

http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2009/02/16/behind-the-scenes-of-on-the-record-at-10pm/

eat whine rally said...

I apologise for my last two posts, they were two and three in a series of three I submitted. Without the first, they would make no sense.

I guess I'll try again, with just the info, and no snark! :)

It seems we sre gathering evidence that SP went to the AMA luncheon with three "daughters" on February 15, 2008. that Bristol would be visibly pregnant at that time (IMHO) a stand in was procurred.

#1 Candidate...Lauden Bruce (henceforth reffered to as LB)

Bristol went to live, for an extended period, with LB's family
in Anchoarge in the winter of 2008.

I next tried to find phots of LB, which would show her face clearly.
The Heath/Palin 2006 Christmas is grainy, but shows how similar the girls in those families look.

I found LB's 2008 high school soccer team photo:

http://www.westsoccer.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=34

LB is the only player not in the official team photo, argh!

I then found:

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=280797-1&clipStart=11819&clipStop=14758

This is from the GOP convention, and is mind numbing, but LB's name is mentioned after M.McConnel nominates SP, as being one of the people to "notify" her? I noticed also, just before John MCcCain comes out "Celebration" is playing, and Bristol looks pretty perturbed about the volume, as Trig is sleeping.

I know the Heaths were there, as was LB, just hard to identify anyone with my computer's ability.

For those who think substituing one of the clan's daughters for another is too far fetched, look how well it worked at the Superbowl taping. That is the neice who sold SP's red shoes on EBay, placed next to Willow, passing Trig back and forth, just as Bristol and Willow have done before.

I think SP is using all of her five PR people to visually tweek public appearances of her family.

Just MHO, but I plan to continue pulling on any, and all threads Ifind, cause it only takes one to unravel SP's cape.

Penny

JJ said...

oh! does anybody have any screenshots of the photos of (supposedly) tripp that they showed on GVS? I want to compare with the screenshots of the baby that Bristol was holding in the interview.. thanks!

Daisydem said...

I stepped through all the travel authorizations and I recorded the dates of Bristol's in a notebook. Unless I missed something, I see none for Bristol in March and April of 2008. (2007, yes, but not 2008). Also, I know the primary purpose of this blog deals with the pregnancy and birth of Trig and to whom, and the travel issue may be off-subject, except that the times and places could be clues as to where the Palin women were. But on the travel issue (which I do know something about as I said having done travel for a state institution and on state and federal monies), these travel authorizations and expense reports have to be approved. So who in their right mind was signing off on these authorizations. I found one approval signature on a couple of the authorizations now available on line. Sara Peacock. She is listed on the Governor's Official Website as the Finance Offficer. I did send her an email. I am mystified as to why a qualified Finance Officer would sign on travel that she must have to know is inappropriate. Just wondering. And, am I wrong. Are there travel vouchers for Bristol during Mar/Apr 08?

Littl' Me said...

Just a little observation that actually mdlw56 brought up on a different blog: Bristol herself said in the GVS interview that she got pregnant 'early in the summer' - I believe right after school was out -.... Thus, in my mind, confirming that she actually is Trig's mom - if she had gotten prego in 'early summer', she would not have been 'about five months' pregnant with Tripp, because then, he would have been born in FEBRUARY ths year. (BTW: Sme with Trig: I guess in that case, he was born in FEBRUARY (or maybe early March) last year - NOT April!

wayofpeace said...

ALL,

i just read my follow up to the "fly fishing in the universe..." comment by AMY1 and it sounds crazy when read out of context.

a piece of a fairy-tale disconnected from the whole can sound goofy.

sorry if it marred the credibility of the blog.

Patrick said...

@ Nova Land (12:14),

Thanks for your request. I am very happy to explain the issue with the baby-food again. I am still intrigued by this issue.

Here are the facts:

We have two pictures taken on separate days where a jar of stage 3 babyfood is standing on Sarah’s desk.

One picture appeared in the article in People Magazine, which was published on 15 September 2008. The jar is standing on her desk, next to the baby-bottle:

http://tinyurl.com/cv8zr2

We made a close-up with a professional zoom program and were able to identify exactly the type of the baby-food. It is “Beech Nut Stage 3 Sweet Potatoes & Wild Alaskan Salmon”. See here:

http://tinyurl.com/d8u2gt

This is the screenshot from the Beech Nut website:

http://tinyurl.com/bo5fbw

It is extremely likely in my opinion that the picture of Sarah Palin with the babyfood was taken at the beginning of September 2008, right after the nomination.

Then we have a second picture of SP, taken on another day at her desk, when this jar of babyfood is visible again. The caption in HuffPost says that it was taken in August 2008 – however, we cannot say for certain that this is correct:

http://tinyurl.com/d3wg2w

Here is the close-up of this jar:

http://tinyurl.com/bgzv4z

It is apparently the same product.

Interestingly, a comment on my flickr account was left about three months ago under the last picture, saying:

“The reason the baby food is for an older infant is that Trig was born earlier than Palin admits to. He was born to Bristol while she was living with Palin's sister for a period of four months or so. Trig always looked larger for his age than Palin said he was.”

This comment always rang true to me. I tried to contact this person, but he/she never responded. His email which he/she openly posted is bence_l@yahoo.com, in case somebody else would like to make another attempt. “Bence” is a mountain in Alaska, I think.

My personal opinion is that through our research it becomes more and more likely that Trig was born much earlier than we all previously thought. And I say this not just because of the baby-food. Several aspects of the whole story match with this version. We now know for example that it is highly unlikely that Trig would have been released from hospital immediately because of his heart-problems. In my view, it is also unlikely that Sarah would have officially announced the pregnancy with Trig before the baby was actually born. I personally would place the birthdate around the beginning of February 2008. I am convinced that Bristol is the mum.

This theory is now also supported by the newly released travel expense documents. No travel was recorded for Bristol between 11 October 2007 and 14 February 2008! This is a highly important fact. Willow, on the other hand, had airline travel in October 2007, December 2007, January 2008 and very extensively during the whole month of February 2008. This completely diminishes the “Willow-theory” in my opinion (for which there was always a lack of evidence), and strongly supports the “old” theory that Bristol is the mother of Trig.

Another reliable source (which we cannot disclose at the moment) suggests that Bristol was sexually active around the middle of 2007.

I would like to add that Bristol again does not appear on the travel reports from 16 February 2008 until the 5 June 2008, which also is highly suspicious. Willow for example again travelled extensively in March and April 2008.

I have to stress that this theory is just my personal opinion.

Patrick (PD research)

B said...

Patrick,

I think you are suggesting that Trig was born before the AHA luncheon on 2/15/8. I just don't think CBJ would make up the statement that Trig was able to go home at two days old, and I don't think Bristol would travel away from him when he was newborn if he wasn't in an NICU.

Perhaps I am giving CBJ too much credit, but she didn't need to include info about Trig's condition to show Palin was healthy enough to be VP, so I can't imagone she would make up stuff she didn't need to say anyway. She needed to say Palin had a fifth child, though, and so she lied to say that, imo, because she had to.

Trig looked very small at the May 5 baby shower. If he were born much earlier than 4/18, and especially if early February, he would have been in NICU and not "been able to" go home at two days old (whether or not he did).

Windy City Woman said...

Amy1 & Kathleen,
Thanks for your comments on the issue of whether Rex Butler is being paid by Sarah to defend Sherry.

Would Rex Butler take Sherry's case pro bono, knowing that it's high-profile, or would he hesitate, knowing that Sarah might be willing to step up to the plate with a fistful of cash? Is Sherry poor enough to be considered for the case to be pro bono? I guess we don't know that. But if she sold drugs, presumably it was for money and not for fun, implying that she has money issues.

Might he take the case (pro bono or for pay), even though he doesn't like Sarah, just for the publicity? Especially if he thinks he can obtain a favorable result (out of court or otherwise), which would be a feather in his cap? Sometimes we all must do unpleasant things, or work with/for people we don't like, for other gains.

cooky said...

Is it possible that the baby food was on her desk simply because it contained 'wild Alaskan salmon'
and was sent to her or there as promotion? Perhaps it has nothing to do with a date of birth at all?

Dinky P. said...

I was suprised anyone would think Bristol called GVS on her own to set up an interview without Sarah knowing.

I am sure Sarah set up the interview, the questions, the answers, the location and everything about it. Sarah CONTROLS everything she can.

When you look a the interview GVS does not look Bristol in the eye when asking questions. She is A PROFESSIONAL interviewer. No eye contact is a dead give away that it was all planned and rehearsed.
GVS probably feels a little uneasy about being part of the lie but goes through with it. GVS is now a part of the deception.

Who knows if that was Tripp in the video? Who knows if there really is a Tripp? Has anyone around Wasilla seen TRIPP lately? Or EVER accept n the interview?

The dates regarding John McCain being elected on 3/4/08 and Sarah announcing preggo on 3/5/08 say a lot.

AKPetMom said...

I bet she was given a lot of this baby food for free due to the fact that it features "wild alaskan salmon". It is probably on her desk more for product placement than for her to be actually feeding it to Trig at that time. I think she probably got some bucks from Beech Nut just for having that jar on her desk. Product placement is the wave of the future and it is how companies make advertising dollars now since no one watches commercials.

Amy1 said...

Windy City Woman, Kathleen, and esp James (who seems to know the law, unlike me):

I am basing my thinking upon the article about Rex Butler, which said he specialisez in getting the best deal for the guilty, plus also in settling out of court as much as possible.

So my thinking was that Rex Butler and Sherry will talk. Sherry will tell him all the facts of this SP matter that we here on the blog are trying to figure out. Butler will realize that if he somehow negotiates with SP that Sherry will be forever silenced (incl promising to not write for $, but just no talking of any kind as well), SP might be able to pressure someone, somewhere in the legal system, somehow, to go easier on Sherry. I don't mean anything blatant or obvious, like paying money or making an actual deal. I mean talking while hunting with an old pal or someone one has exchanged favors with over the years. An SP pal who "understands how things are, how things work, what needs to be done," in the old-fashioned old-boy-network way of doing things.

Have I been reading too many novels, or am I right that this might happen?

I could see Rex Butler (motivated by wanting to add another success to his credit for getting guilty Sherry off light) wanting to make a good deal for his client. His dislike for SP would be fed by knowing that he has her over a barrel because it is in his power to shut Sherry up forever, or (if SP does not cooperate) set things up so Sherry can sell her story after her legal issues are solved. SP would have to be willing to play ball because she wants to keep Sherry quiet.

So: Sherry gets off easy (but promises to keep quiet); Rex gets another guilty person off easy (but has to help SP out a little); and SP gets to keep this potential hole in the dike patched up (but she has to do a favor for someone, in some quiet way -- prob asking some legal person to stretch the rules a little for Sherry's legal consequences). If Sherry's info is damaging enough to SP, Rex could prob ask SP to pay his fee! Thus adding a little spice to the equation.

James: what am I missing? what part is not realistic? This seems so easy to me.

B said...

BC said...
Any theory as to why the ex-husband of SP's sister wouldn't take a shot at making some big bucks by offering up what he "knows", substantiated or not?

A theory: The family court judge would consider this to be attacking Molly, and Wooten would risk losing joint custody of their kids. Remember when the judge chided/threatened the Heaths for attacking Wooten?

B said...

Littl' Me said...
Just a little observation that actually mdlw56 brought up on a different blog: Bristol herself said in the GVS interview that she got pregnant 'early in the summer' - I believe right after school was out -.... Thus, in my mind, confirming that she actually is Trig's mom

mdlw56 & Littl' Me, I did not hear Bristol say that she *got* pregnant in early summer, but that she *was* pregnant in early summer. She was explaining that it wasn't a problem because school was out, as in she wasn't showing until school was out.

Thus I don't think her interview contained a confession that she is Trig's mom. I think her statement was consistent with being Tripp's mom, though more so if she was just4 mos. along at the RNC rather than the announced 5 mos. along.

Truthseeker2 said...

B, the CBJ letter had to say that Trig went home at 2 days old, because the discharge from the hospital and Trig's visit to SP's office on April 21st were widely publicized. Remember how Sarah Supermom showed up with Trig at work just 3 days after giving birth? The letter could not say he was kept in the hospital for a longer time without blowing her cover. And, returning to the subject of this post, there is no verification whatsoever that CBJ wrote or authorized the letter, and we now know that she would not confirm the birth story when ADN's reporter, Lisa Demer, interviewed her. That is huge.

Amy1 said...

James: what I am saying, I now realize, is that Sherry could (with the help of Butler, if his ethics permit) basically blackmail SP. SP has this big secret that she is determined to keep, and it must be true that Sherry can offer the compelling details that would blow SP's secret wide open. And Sherry could get some bucks for doing so.

I agree, AFTER the legalities are over.

So if SP doesn't use her power of office, contacts, sleazoid levers, what-have-you, to get Sherry off, Sherry will have to serve her term, she will be extra pissed off at SP for having to do so, and emerges from jail ready to sell her story. Assuming it hasn't blown open on its own before then.

On the other hand, SP can shut off that possibility by arranging a sweet deal (under the table, to be sure, and it could include some pay for Butler and even pay for Sherry -- depending on how explosive Sherry's info is).

Sorry to over-explain it: I'm just trying to get my own pea-sized brain around it.

Amy1 said...

B, I was doing the same thing you are: believing that CBJ's letter might be authentic and trying to fit the pieces around it.

But it's not! It can't be. If SP was never pregnant, the letter has to be a fake -- there's no other possibility. And we KNOW SP was not pregnant. So the letter is either faked by CBJ, faked by SP, or altered by SP.

And CBJ owes no one anything (legally) unless she has to speak under oath.

eat whine rally said...

If I may, you might want to look at the photos of Bristol holding Trig with a big burp up blanket as they parade onstage, and after backstage. Sp walks up to her with wipes, etc, and BP looks like WTF? the next couple of pictures show SP's priorities glaringly...two backberrys side-by-side then everything else beyond. In a following picture, she is talking on the blackberry holding Trig without a care for him. Then they posed for the People shoot and there is one shot you can see where bristol is holding Trig, as she had been earlier in the evening. This young girl has not resolved her mother being "the mother" of her first born son. There would be so many details to be worked out, especially on the public stage This was posted August 30 at 9am, so it would seem that SP had not fine tuned her presentation at that point, and she said, Bristol, your baby...you're in charge, unless I need a photo op! After that SP and Todd seemed to "haul" him around more often.

If you need more obvious footage, check out just before John McCain is introduced at the GOP convention. After "Johnny Be Good," during "Celebration," she is holding her son protectively and not enjoying a moment of the frivolity:

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=280797-1&clipStart=11819&clipStop=14758

I think these pictures, added to what she said in the interview, can lead only to one conclusion.

Penny

B said...

Windy City Woman,

Sherry Johnston had a court-appointed attorney before Rex Butler, so the court found she can't afford to hire one.

Butler probably would take her case pro bono for the international publicity. But he shouldn't have taken the case as a chance to hurt Palin because his duty is to his client, Sherry.

Someone aligned with Palin might have helped Sherry get a good attorney (her public defender was probably overworked and underpaid) because it is best for both Sherry and Sarah to have this matter settled and go away (no prison) as quietly as possible.

Even if Sherry or Butler wanted to air Palin's dirty laundry at Sherry's trial, they probably couldn't because it would not be relevant to the drug case and thus inadmissable.

I doubt Sherry will ever "sing" because she will want to keep seeing Tripp. (I assume she is by now, since he's been on Fox News.)

Truthseeker2 said...

to Littl'Me -- I think Bristol said that she told Sarah and Todd about the pregnancy in the summer, after school was out. (It was harder than labor!) She could have been 2-3 months pregnant by that time.

B said...

For those of you who have Bristol pregnant with Trig in early summer 2007 and giving birth in early 2008, how do you explain:

"Mark Okeson, the assistant principal at Wasilla High School, told the Chicago Tribune that Bristol started her junior year last fall, in the town where Sarah Palin grew up. He said Bristol inexplicably transferred to an Anchorage high school midyear, leaving Levi behind."

"Midyear" suggests between semesters. If the due date was mid-May, she would be 4 mos. along by December exam time, and maybe able to hide it. But if the due date were mid-March, she would be 6 mos. along and likely not able to hide it. (Only her mom can hide a 6 month pregnancy.) She probably would have needed to transfer to Anchorage or move to her aunt's house there by October, not midyear.

There's also caterer Sue Williams' statement that people knew Bristol was pregnant in April because Willow's boyfriend spread the word. I know rumor isn't fact, but Trig being born before April isn't consistent with this statement. And Bristol would not have known she was pregnant with Tripp by May 1 even if she was 5 mos. along at the RNC.

I know it's frustrating to have figured out so much of the puzzle over the last six months and yet still not know for sure when either Trig or Tripp was born.

B said...

Re: baby food

It's possible Palin was feeding Stage 3 food to Trig, suggesting he was older than 4 months.

But hearing that it is "Sweet Potatoes & Wild Alaskan Salmon” suggests someone could have given it to Palin as a curiosity, a pro-Alaska item, even if Trig wasn't yet ready for Stage 3 food. Had it just been Stage 3 Mushy Peas or something, I'd attach mroe weight to the age thing.

Patrick, I almost always agree with you; I'm just not convinced on the Trig-born-much-earlier issue. But I always learn from your comments and appreciate your and Kathleen's hard work.

eat whine rally said...

Gryphen at Immoral Minority is taking one for the team, and reading, "Trailblazer." He found SP saying she received a call from her doctor (CBJ?) on December 4 (which by the way is SP's anniversary of her inaguration...always about our girl!) telling SP/BS her son had DS. So let's assume Bristol got Pregnant sometime in June, Had a thorough ultasound and bloodtest performed in late Novemebr, then SP/BS gets the newsin early December...Seems like appropriate timeing for standard non-invasive tests to be performed, with follow up tests to confirm suspitions. So SP/CBJ saying that testing, or an amnio was performed at 12-16-18 weeks continues to sound very fishy,especially combined with someone like SP ever contemplatinmg such a test.

I was also struck by BS saying telling her mom was harder than labor...I'm guessing that was pretty tough the second time!

Penny

Unknown said...

B, remember that the CBJ letter has never been verified. CBJ herself won't comment about it so we do not know for sure how accurate the contents really are.
The letter came from the McCain camp after all and not from CBJ herself.

Who really knows what's real and what is not at this point?
They refuse to talk and produce fact-based documents - so we speculate.

Punkinbugg said...

RE: Airline tickets and are they transferable: Maybe a switch could have been made, if kids are not asked to show their school ID's -- mine are -- and what if you are the Governor's kid in a state with such a small population? Wouldn't the Alaska Airlines personnel recognize their flying dignitaries?

Anyhoo, it is strange to send a little girl on such a long car trip (Fairbanks to Anchorage/Wasilla), isn't it? Unless they were trying to keep Piper away from the older girls.

onething said...

Maybe the ex-brother-in-law of SP hasn't come forward because he doesn't know anything concretely enough. He's been out of the family loop for at least a couple of years? He might very well have his suspicions, but not real evidence.

Maybe GVS was told certain things about the interview, and it was just the Palins who planned to really have Sarah come in. GVS might not have been in on the deception. I never for a minute took seriously that Bristol engaged that interview on her own initiative.

Daniel Archangel said...

Patrick said:

This theory is now also supported by the newly released travel expense documents. No travel was recorded for Bristol between 11 October 2007 and 14 February 2008! This is a highly important fact. Willow, on the other hand, had airline travel in October 2007, December 2007, January 2008 and very extensively during the whole month of February 2008. This completely diminishes the “Willow-theory” in my opinion (for which there was always a lack of evidence), and strongly supports the “old” theory that Bristol is the mother of Trig.


Um. No. There is no travel for Willow after March 28, at which point it appears she went one way to Wasilla and stayed there. Why? Nobody can say. There's only speculation.

Yes, Willow traveled extensively for several months, but in the winter with a little disguising of her mid-section and a mid-May due date, and nobody expecting (no pun intended) to see a girl that age pregnant, her condition could easily have passed by casual observers on planes and airports well into her sixth month. Most people would probably just view her as chunky.

Bristol, on the other hand, didn't have to fly because she could drive from Anchorage to Wasilla. You can't drive anywhere from Juneau. Bristol travelled plenty to Wasilla, as indicated by her car accident.

The Bristol theory is chock full of holes, not to mention that there's more than one theory floating around that proponents can't even agree on. For the Bristol theory to work, you have to open a 10-month window between Trig and Tripp. Which one is it:

1) Trig was born before April 18 and Tripp was born on December 27.
2) Trig was born on April 18 and Tripp was born after December 27.
3) Trig was born before April 18 AND Tripp was born after December 27.

Pick you theory and present your evidence, not your conjecture. Pretend I'm a juror with no knowledge of any of this. You've met your burden that SP is not Trig's mother, provided you can show beyond a reasonable doubt that someone else is.

If you offer up three theories, there's reasonable doubt that any of them are right. Where's the evidence that Trig was born earlier? Where the evidence that Tripp was born later? Where was Trig stashed if he was born earlier and what's your evidence?

If you use 'might' or 'believe' or 'think' or 'could' in any of your presentation of evidence, you've lost reasonable doubt.

I freely admit that I am no more prepared to present the Willow-theory to a jury than anyone is ready to present the Bristol-theory. But the travel records improved my case since Willow is gone from school in Juneau, where everyone said she was, from March 28 on. And she missed school on multiple occasions from Feb 14 on. And there's still no direct evidence that she attendance any school anywhere from January-June 2008. Based on how much school we know she missed from the travel records, she might have made honor roll working independently with a tutor. (Hence, honor roll is not direct evidence of attendance.)

But I'll wait for more evidence one way or the other.

Dangerous

Anonymous said...

Windy City Woman

Rex Butler does not need Sarah Palin's money to gain a perceived advantage by taking on Sherry's defence.

Just by agreeing to take on the case to defend Sherry, Rex Butler has already received attention because Sherry, rightly or wrongly, is already a "celebrity" of sorts (I would say notorious) through her son's projection into the limelight during the election campaign. If the case proceeds against her then it is very likely that both he and his client will receive further substantial national attention and publicity. I don't think that money from any source can effect this.

Kathleen

Patrick said...

@B

Yes, it is my working theory at the moment that Bristol gave birth to Trig before the Red Woman Luncheon Event which took place on 15 February 2008. As I noted above, she then rushed home early, one day before the rest of the family. It is very well possible in my opinion that Trig was in a NICU, if not likely. There are huge health issues involved with premature down-syndrome babies. We will post more detailed information on that later.

I am aware of the fact that Trig looked small in the baby shower pictures, but then he might have been born much smaller about 3 months before, probably prematurely.

I have an open mind for new ideas and criticism. I always try to stay close to the facts, and if new facts don't fit together with a certain theory, I am happy to adjust. But I think that the facts don't speak against my theory right now, as a premature down-syndrome baby probably would have been very smaller at birth.

The CBJ letter is a piece of paper with no legal validity whatsoever, and CBJ and her laywer know that (we have safe information that CBJ's lawyer was "involved" in her dealings with the public regarding the birth of Trig right after SP's nomination last year). There are also no legal obligations whatsoever on CBJ's part to comment on the letter. It is also interesting to note that we also know for sure that CBJ is not giving any interviews on this matter and rejects any interview requests. That alone speaks for itself, especially if you consider that only a "few sentences" were uttered by her in public regarding the Trig matter in the past (cited in the ADN). Apart from that, there was just a very long silence.

I am very curious about what happens next. Apparently there are several biographies about SP in the making. Will they have more substance than "Trailblazer"? I hope so.

Patrick (PD research)

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