There are so many discrepancies in the pregnancy and birth stories of both Trig Palin and Tripp Johnston that it is sometimes hard to keep up with them all. You'd need a whole section in your Day Planner just to keep track of most of them. And lots of note cards and spread sheets and.... oh yes, that IS my desk.
Anyway...
When you least expect it, a new clue (or clues) seems to emerge that helps to clear the fog away from earlier statements. Happily, the recent publication of an unauthorized biography of Sarah Palin, Trailblazer by Lorenzo Benet, along with Greta Van Susteren’s interview of Sarah…er… Bristol Palin, offered us some new information that allows us to put a few more pieces of the birth-hoax puzzle together. (Who would have thought that the pro-Palin biography OR Greta’s interview would HELP us make our case? Is this poetic justice, or perhaps divine intervention, or what?)
Based on an (undocumented) birth date of December 27th, Tripp was conceived no earlier than April 2008, and arguably later as he was not presented to the world until mid-February (exactly as I predicted). So even Bristol could not have been aware of the pregnancy until late-April 2008, at the earliest.
Yet we know that rumors of the pregnancy preceded this time frame, so much so that Sarah herself tried to dispel the rumors prior to March 2008. The Anchorage Daily New wrote a story about the rumors on August 31, 2008 and as we now know, they pursued the story about the rumors again in the fall. We also know that, almost a year ago, a poster on reddit.com reported on the Bristol pregnancy rumor and said she was going to high school in Anchorage. Wasilla caterer Sue Williams stated on the record that Willow Palin's boyfriend was telling people in Wasilla before Trig was born that Bristol was pregnant.
In fact, there is so much to discuss regarding rumors of the pregnancy that I have decided to go into more detail on this subject in an upcoming post – today I am just going to focus on the question of when Bristol moved to Anchorage.
Why? Because this is important. Because it shows that in spite of months of time to get it right, this whole dumb bunch STILL just can't get their stories straight. First Dude has had his slip ups, including telling Greta Van Susteren that three of their children had traveled to the VP nomination announcement. Ooops. What about little number 4, Triggy Bear? Sarah - Lord knows - has changed her stories on Trig's pregnancy so many times we can't even list all of the blunders and even direct contradictions. And now... both Sarah Palin's sister, Heather Bruce, and Bristol Palin seems to have joined the ooops club.
First, let’s reintroduce Heather Bruce, Sarah’s sister, who lives in Anchorage near the West High School, where her daughter Lauden is a student. There seems to be no dispute that Bristol Palin lived with Heather Bruce during her pregnancy AND there seems to be no dispute that Bristol Palin lived with Heather Bruce in January and February of 2008, but somehow those two facts don't seem to collide into a simple conclusion in most people's minds: that a high likelihood exists that Bristol Palin WAS pregnant in January and February of 2008.
There is a plausible reason for this: That she had lived with Heather Bruce while pregnant was reported at the same time that Bristol’s pregnancy with Tripp was publicized, and many people assumed that the Tripp pregnancy was the pregnancy in question.
But now, adding to the earlier statements (which, it appears, some in the Palin camp may have forgotten were still floating around out there ), we have some new statements from both Heather Bruce and Bristol Palin that help clarify that this extended stay with Aunt Heather could not have been during Bristol’s pregnancy with Tripp. It was much earlier. Really big oops.
Let’s start by looking at some of the published reports on Bristol’s time living with Heather Bruce.
There is a report by Inside Edition, which says: “Halfway through the school year, about the time Bristol discovered she was pregnant, she transferred to another high school.” This report was aired on 9/2/2008, meaning it had to refer to a prior school year. This states explicitly and openly that Bristol found out she was pregnant "halfway through the school year." Unless Bristol Palin had the longest pregnancy on record, halfway through that school year, Tripp had not yet been conceived, but of course "someone" had to be pregnant with Trig. Half way through the school year would have been around December when "someone" would have been around twenty weeks. A very plausible and logical time for a first time mother to find out (or at least reveal to her family) that she is expecting. Why this statement has not received more scruitiny has always mystified me.
Another report, this one by the Washington Post, states that Bristol went mid-school-year to live with her aunt in Anchorage, finishing at the city's West High School.
The assistant principal of the Wasilla High School also confirmed that Bristol transferred from there halfway through the 2007-2008 school year: “Mark Okeson, the assistant principal at Wasilla High School told the Chicago Tribune that Bristol started her junior year last fall, in the town where Sarah Palin grew up. He said Bristol inexplicably transferred to an Anchorage high school midyear, leaving Levi behind. ‘I never heard the story why,’ he said.”
Not to be outdone, the National Enquirer reported this as well, with some additional details: “When Sarah found out the teen was pregnant by high schooler Levi Johnston, she was actually banished from the house. As part of the cover-up, Palin quickly transferred Bristol to another high school and made her move in with Sarah’s sister Heather 25 miles away!”
(Note here as well the interesting use of the phrase "cover-up." Nowhere has it ever been suggested that any attempt was made to cover up Tripp's pregnancy.)
This has been confirmed to me by several people in Wasilla - that there were definitely rumors in the area by December 2007 that Bristol Palin was pregnant. (Whether the rumors were TRUE is an open question, but that the rumors EXISTED is, in my opinion, NOT open to question or debate.)
These statements have been left to languish by the MSM for months, despite the obvious implication that Bristol Palin was pregnant by late 2007. I think that everyone can agree on one thing: this could NOT have been any pregnancy that ended on December 27, 2008 with the birth of Tripp Johnston. There are only two possibilities. The rumors were all false, or Bristol was pregnant in late 2007 with another child.
Now, in the recently published biography as reported in People Magazine, we have new info from Heather Bruce confirming that Bristol lived with her while pregnant and while going to Anchorage West HS. "While Bristol was pregnant last year, she was living in Anchorage with her aunt and uncle, Heather and Kurt Bruce, and working at two espresso shops – while also attending West High School. Levi was 40 miles away in Wasilla, but, ‘there was certainly no ban on them dating,’ reports Trailblazer. ‘Levi used to drive to Anchorage to take Bristol out.’”
We also have a confirmation from "Misty" in Anchorage that Bristol attended West High School in January and February, leaving sometime around mid to late February.
But let's do a little granny finger counting here. IF the birth date of Tripp Johnston is as reported (December 27th) and he was full term (reasonable considering his birth date) he would have been conceived around April 1st. A quick perusal of the Anchorage West High School's calendar from the 2007-2008 school year shows us that the last day of school was May 23rd. The earliest Bristol could even have suspected she was pregnant was mid to late April. So when would she have lived with Auntie Heather (while pregnant) and gone to school and worked? A week or so in May 2008? Who transfers someone to a new high school with, oh, three weeks left in the school year and then gets two jobs? Come on...
Adding support to our skepticism, we now also know from the Greta Van Susteren interview that Bristol claims to not have told Sarah and Todd Palin of her pregnancy with Tripp until the summer of 2008, after school was out. It's never been suggested anywhere that last fall during the campaign when she would have been pregnant with Tripp was she living in Anchorage, working and/ or attending school.
All of this makes it crystal clear that Bristol’s banishment to Anchorage could not have been for the Tripp pregnancy. As our perceptive bloggers have already pointed out, this also could explain why there are two vastly different accounts of how Bristol told Sarah she was pregnant, one of her sitting her parents down on a couch, the other of her chasing her mother around with a positive pregnancy stick.
So.. what's the truth here? As I have been forced to admit so often on this blog, I don't know. I do know that it is not biologically possible for a woman to have a baby on April 18th and have another (full term) on December 27th. That I can state with confidence.
This, then, leaves us only two possibilities.
A. If the same woman gave birth to both babies, the birth dates we have been given for the two children cannot be correct.
B. If the birth dates are correct, Trig and Tripp cannot have the same mother.
I vote A.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 395 of 395Are we sure the SP Vogue cover photo is faked? It isn't listed among the SP fake photos on snopes.com.
I didn't think Vogue magazine would do such a thing. Geez, just when you think you could trust something . . . . -- I used to get all my late-breaking medical info there.
I actually would like to know the Vogue story: whose idea it was, whether that was a departure from Vogue's journalistic rules (guess "ethics" is a concept I should forget about in this arena? Naive me, I thought there still were some. I guess I'll have to look elsewhere for my wrinkle-cream breakthroughs.)
And YES, Alex, I AM interested in primary sources. Thanks.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/03/palins_team.html
The above is an interesting article. It's about the protectors of the Palin brand. Yea she is supposedly a brand now. It actually talks about her post election handlers.
Interesting it says that ....GVS's husband John Coale "helped her [Sarah Palin] navigate through some of the questions surrounding her family that lingered after the campaign."
What questions surrounding her family? My assumption is he helped her continue to cover up Babygate and Troopergate and all other family related gates. I guess this is why Greta gets all the Palin Family interviews on Faux News. It's important that the Palin's talk to someone who's fair and balanced. Yea Right!!!!
Amy1:
Yes, the Vogue "cover picture" of SP is a fake.
http://megorious.com/pol/sarah-palin-in-vogue
"Sarah Palin was in Vogue but was not on the cover. It's actually Photoshopped. The picture was created last December by a female blogger from Alaska, before the primaries even began. This swindle is courtesy of AOL's Parent's Dish, where the picture was spread."
(see embedded links at above link)
From additional googling...
The SP article appeared in the Feb. 2008 issue of Vogue.
Here is an edited version on their web site:
http://www.style.com/vogue/feature/090108VFEA/
As for the cover, Kate Bosworth was on the Feb. 2008 issue:
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/01/15/kate-bosworth-vogue-february-2008/
But, looking at the photoshopped version, can't you tell it's a fake? Look at the neck--no sign of contortion of the muscles to achieve the almost 90-degree angle of the head to the torso.
Amy, I don't know how to link but by googling Vogue cover February 2008 I learned the actual cover model was Kate Bosworth. The article about SP didn't even rate a mention on the cover.
Veebee,
I don't have any pix of Dana Torres pregnant, but I remember seeing pix of Evonne Goolagong when she was pregnant. She appeared to be "great with child," like pregnant women normally appear. No, I unfortunately don't have any of those pix.
For those of you not old enough to remember, Evonne G. was a tennis star a few decades ago. I assume that a professional athlete in her 20's who plays tennis and works out hours every day is going to have tight abs, a lot tighter than a woman 20 years her senior on her 5th pregnancy. Though Sarah is in shape and exercises, I doubt she does so as much as a pro athlete.
Amy1--
Have you checked the links I posted earlier on the fake Vogue cover?
http://tinyurl.com/dzaz2d
I'm including some quotes from the owner of the blog who photoshopped the picture:
"As I'm sure you've heard by now, Alaska's Governess, Sarah Palin, was photographed recently for an upcoming issue of Vogue.
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No, this isn't an advanced copy, just some Photoshoppin'.
Maybe some of you don't know what it means to "Photoshop" something. It means it's a fake. Kinda obvious, really, since the Vogue shoot happened three days before my post and what are the odds that Vogue would have a headline that reads "TheKoKon.com."
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It was a copy of Australian Vogue I found online, not something I bought and scanned, so the covergirl is unknown to me."
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Clovis,
I think the general consensus of the bloggers here (folks, please correct me if I'm wrong) is that Bristol, indeed, was pregnant and gave birth to Tripp. The date of birth is still a matter of much debate, as well as who fathered him. We all pretty much agree that the pregnancy was unplanned. If the GNC planned it, it was a really stupid plan! Again, demonstrating or even proving that Bristol did not give birth to Trig, does not in any way shape or form establish that Sarah did give birth to Trig. The GNC may be unscrupulous, but they're not stupid.
As for how to interpret Sherry Johnston's version of the "announcement." I believe she intended to convey that Sarah laughed because she didn't believe it and thought it to be a joke, not because she was elated.
As for Bristol, why do you believe that she is so "compliant" and wanting to please Sarah to such an extent? I think Bristol is very conflicted about many things.
As far as Trigg possibly being a girl --- wow, that is really thinking outside the box! Ultrasound exams are pretty darn good nowadays. If something is ambiguous, they repeat it until they get a clear view. (Good one Amy1 re the dating scene!)
As for Levi not having any pictures other than the US, I think he got his marching orders from the Palin clan. "SHOW NO PHOTOS TO THE PRESS." Even a high school dropout could understand that.
LisanTX: Thank you, yes, I did look at your earlier link, and it made perfect sense to me, but having the source be KodiakKonfidential seemed a little suspicious to me.
After all, I am now the beneficiary of experience that informs me that seeing something that is totally clear and unambiguous with my own eyes does not constitute proof for others. I am still smarting re this reality that I do not like one bit. But it's like arguing about the law of gravity -- doesn't change it.
So now I'm looking at Feb 2008 Vogue Cover, and it's a blonde -- was SP never on the cover? In what we laughingly call real life, I mean?
I just assumed that SP bathing suit photo had actually been the cover. Yeah, I thought the head looked too big for the body, and the body was too thin, and SP's hair was too long and had that "extensions" look -- but I never realized the whole thing was a joke. It WAS a joke, right?
Geez, I'm going to have to take some time off from this blog. Go stand in the corner. Read Vogue more often.
Sorry to be so obtuse, guys.
Thx, sg: I just didn't get it at all. Thx, Tully. Thx for link to WaPo, Naked Truth.
I think the WaPo might be a candidate to break our story at some point. I see them still tweaking the NYT that the NYT was too chicken to go with some important stories that the WaPo broke, Watergate being the flagship one, of course. Sally Quinn got into an over-aggressive sort of kerfuffle with SP as I recall, and had to apologize in print. But as the wife of Ben Bradlee and the Mom of a child with disabilities, I would guess this story would rankle her as much as it does us. I sent her something a while back -- maybe the set of photos -- but not a ripple.
Amy1 @ 3/17, 5:51PM
I think you're being too hard on yourself.
I suspect (can't prove, though...) that many in the MSM and the disinterested public would see proof of the birth hoax as consisting of two prongs:
1) SP did not give birth to Trig;
2) someone else (a specific someone!) did.
The SP photos and the wild ride are pretty strong evidence of (1).
But proving (2) is still a work in progress--which is why it's been a major focus of Audrey, other PD researchers, and many posters on this blog.
I know you've stated in the past that you don't care who the birth mother is. That's a reasonable and compassionate position. But until the real birth mother is established, the mathematical proof still has "a cloud" in the middle of it--to borrow your own metaphor.
I you don't think that GVS know all, see this link. Her husband was schooling SP on how to handle the family rumors.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/03/palins_team.html?wprss=thefix
Re WaPo article cited by NakedTruth and kygirl915:
John Coale, husband of GVS, is mentioned as a key Palin adviser.
Coale and GVS herself are known to be Scientologists.
Coale and Palin: talk about a religious right odd couple!
sg said:
"Coale and Palin: talk about a religious right odd couple!"
I know! I wonder what's really behind their continued support for Palin. I know that Coale was a big Secretary of State Clinton fan but Palin is definitely no Hillary.
Maybe Coale just think she's HOT! Remember the pins at the RNC - 'The Hottest Governor from the Coldest State'. And they trust to call the Democrats sexist.
Apparently Sarah has not filed her 2009 Financial Disclosure Form for the period 1/1/08 – 12/31/08. I believe it is past due. (Out damn spot, out I say!)
The 2007 and 2008 Financial Disclosure forms were filed on 3/15/07 and 3/14/08 respectively.
http://tiny.cc/ICRGm
I don't believe that Bristol gave birth to Tripp. I'm probably in the minority, but I believe they set up an adoption.
Why were there NO pictures of her after the announcement? The media seemed to be OK with the pregnancy. Even after the election, there is absolutely no documentation of her except for a hurried convenience store photo, a snippet of photos at the SNL shoot, and news footage after the church fire. The one photo she legitimately appeared to be pregnant emerged after the birth.
I believe that the adoption was set up but not completed until recently. The palin camp knew that people were still interested in the birth and that they had to present something, so they leaked the birth story to people in a convoluted way and palin herself initially wouldn't even confirm the story.
If there truly was a baby, we would have seen him much earlier. Bristol would have been paraded throughout the campaign, particularly because many of the right wing embraced palin as "walking the walk" for the pro-life cause. Look at the way she has exploited her other children for publicity. For us to go months with no pictures or sitings of Bristol is unbelievable. Exactly where was she while the rest of her family was on the road?
And why was there no photos of Tripp earlier? This from the woman who devoted a webpage on a government site to Trig. The public loves babies. She would have posted any pictures that would have gotten her attention as soon as possible. I think the People story was a ruse to explain why there weren't pictures sooner. Its common for celebrities to wait a few months so that the first pictures can be auctioned and are more valuable. They claimed this was happening. But no one snapped a cell phone picture? No one in Alaska saw him? No pictures sent to relatives that could have leaked? No pictures on myspace or facebook? These are teens we're talking about!!!! All they do is take pictures and send them to each other. Someone should have seen something after his birth.
Its not in palin's nature to "shield" Bristol from the spot light. I believe that lie about as much as I believe Bristol contacted GVS for an interview without her mother knowing.
Diana
Can you add this to your awesome timeline?
1-1-2009: Mat-Su Regional Hospital halts birth announcements effective 1-1-09, reported in ADN on 1-10-09.
http://tiny.cc/OVHTL
"Maybe they shouldn't have let me fly, but I wasn't showing much so they didn't know," she says.
I’m reading back over some older postings at various sites and found that one over at Huff Post, RE: SP giving birth.
SP made that statement after taking pictures with ‘her’ big belly at the close of the Leg session, [wink wink]
Had I seen her on the street in the same state as represented in that [staged] photo, I would have known that she was with child – so much for the NOT SHOWING MUCH story!
Thank you, Diana, and all you others brave enough to read about Sarah and watch videos of her. I always think of you as the King's Foodtasters, since I'm such a chicken about any coverage she gets.
The passage you quote is quel damaging-- and oddly truly accurate for MSM. Hip Hip Hooray!
Diana:
Thanks for the link to the Portfolio story about SP and the natural gas pipeline.
For those who haven't seen it yet, I'd highly encourage doing so:
http://tinyurl.com/dlable
It's a fascinating read, very well researched. After reading it, Gawker's criticism in advance of the article seems uninformed. The story is all about the business rationale and status of the pipeline, highly appropriate for Portfolio.
And it's no Vogue-ish SP puff piece. As Diana has mentioned, the author (Joe McGinnis, very respected author) rips her apart, making the case that SP is a major obstacle in getting the pipeline built.
I also learned a new term: "Mad Zoo" (= Mat-Su). Given what we've learned about Wasilla: how apt!
BTW, Conde Nast Portfolio magazine has a piece about Sarah Palin and the new natural gas pipeline, with what this very interesting paragraph:
"The governor made no reference to any of Kvisle’s remarks. It was as though she didn’t even know he’d made them. Indeed, she seems to have a remarkable capacity for hearing only what she wants to hear. She may not be “a fucking psychopath,” as one very prominent Alaskan told me she was, but Palin does seem prone to what psychologists call magical thinking. At its most basic level, this is a tendency to believe that you exert more control over events than you actually do. It is the irrational belief that thinking is the same as doing, that you can actually cause a circumstance or an event to occur simply by wishing for it. It is common and natural in young children. Believing that you will become president of the United States someday simply because you want to would be an example of magical thinking. Another example would be believing that you can make a gas line happen, if only you want it badly enough and—as Palin has done—you ask schoolchildren to pray for it. Believing that as governor of Alaska you can bend Exxon Mobil to your will is magical thinking in the extreme."
Magical thinking certainly would describe her behavior during the whole Tale of Two Boys, wouldn't it?
Magical thinking! What a great term to describe a 44 year old woman who thinks she can appear pregnant by artfully draping scarves over her midsection, then concocts a crazy, wild ride birth story to claim someone else's baby as her own.
I think the posters who argue that Sarah would not do "this" or "that" because it is not rational are missing the point. Sarah is not rational. A very wise soul told me a long time ago that I could spare myself a lot of grief in this life's journey if I quit expecting rational behavior from irrational people.
This is TOTALLY OT, but,
about Natasha Richardson, the actress....hearing that you can go for a ski trip, knock your head in a fall, get up, walk and talk, and then a couple hours later suffer a intracranial bleed from which you will not be returning....well, that really hits me. Life is so fragile!!
My thoughts today are for her children and her husband and her family. I cannot imagine having to be them today.
I'd really love to know which prominent Alaskan called SP a "fucking psychopath". I'm gonna guess it was one of those he interviewed, but who wished not to have that on the record!
Molly, yes that is OT. But I share your feelings. It seems especially sad to see such a devoted mother at death's door and then juxtaose it against a woman who uses her kids as pawns for her own pursuit of power.
We don't know how long we'll be on this earth; you'd think that people would focus on what matters. Especially people who put themselves out there as beacons of Morality and Fate.
Morgan the Moderator
i think the suggestion about trying to zoom in on that ultrasound pic that levi flashed was a brilliant idea! it would most certainly prove the true gestaional age and due date of TRipp!!
Off topic but of interest, Anne Kilkenny the woman who wrote the careful and informative letter about Sarah Palin's "successes" as Mayor of Wasilla is being honored by the Alaska Press club. Here is the link to a story from Progressive Alaska.
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2009/03/anne-kilkenny-to-be-honored-by-alaska.html
Her letter became the a viral phenomenon that went around the world. I hope in her honor that people know that she is being recognized by the press in her own state. Audrey will be too.
""She may not be “a fucking psychopath,” as one very prominent Alaskan told me she was, "
Given the level of fear she reportedly engendered in Wasilla, this is a very interesting remark.
It's been a while since I've expounded a wild theory, but this one struck me this morning while putting up a bluebird house.
--I found the video of Levi very touching and enlightening. Sarah is a performer, Levi is not. His awkwardness and sincerity are totally genuine on-camera-- especially considering that he was ambushed by the reporters. Either that was staged, or they truly blindsided him. If an ambush, I thought he spoke quite well, under pressure. He answered questions directly. He didn't dodge anything. He kept his answers short. The lack of eye contact is sad. Levi seems defeated.
OK, here's my theory. What if Levi carries an ultrasound because it's the only photo of Trig he can carry safely. And what if, last spring, Sarah told Bristol and Levi, that if they let her adopt Trig, she would allow them to marry. Trig will be raised with family anyway, so what's the big deal. OK, so Levi gives in, and bows to the wishes of Sarah, justifying to himself that Sarah can give his son a better life (because of the disabilities) than he can. (And in the video, he says something about loving Bristol comes with the Gov. Mom package.)
So, then, Bristol goes and gets pregnant! And crazy thing, maybe there's even a chance it's not Levi's baby. So what to do? Levi has promised to marry Bristol, but now he's not so sure. But the GOP convention (and the McCain folks) steamroll him into compliance. He goes off to work the oilfields to think and be free of pressure, and then that backfires. Maybe Levi really does love Bristol, but now must also face the fact that she betrayed him. BUT if he doesn't marry Bristol, he loses close contact with his son (or sons).
Following this scenario-- I imagine that the Johnston and Palin families were in agreement over Trig's fate-- much the way my husband's birth grandparents decided his fate when he was a surprise fetus, as his teenage parents watched and waited helplessly. (My husband was given up for adoption but has since found his birth parents.)
Or maybe the trouble began, not with Levi and Bristol, but with Sarah. Once she was the VP pick, suddenly all these co-conspirators were dangerous threats because they couldn't be trusted. (Sherry goes and blabs to the UK paper in September. And the Wishful Thinker begins to wish and will the Johnstons away-- using whatever methods at hand. Drug arrests, no visitation etc.
All of this sprang from the ultrasound photos in Levi's brand new truck. Of course, in his wallet he may have real baby photos, but what the hell. It's just a wild theory. . .
if you have not read the piece on SP in PORTFOLIO,i'd recommend you do so: it is a devastating indictment on the joke that is SARAH.
to arouse your interest, here's just one of the many searing comments:
"I came back from Alaska with the sense that the further Palin goes, the more she resembles not Joan of Arc but Eva Perón.
"In their book Evita, Nicholas Fraser and Marysa Navarro wrote of Perón that 'the only people with whom she felt totally at ease were those who accepted what she was doing unconditionally' and that eventually 'there was no one left around her capable of criticizing anything she did.' "
"That seems to be the way Palin wants it.
"It’s almost as if, long ago, she adopted as a personal motto Mark Twain’s sardonic observation
'All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.' "
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YIKES! leave it to MARK TWAIN, truer words could not have been written about our girl!
Obama Would Crush Sarah Palin In 2012: Poll
The Huffington Post
A poll released by Public Policy Polling found that President Obama would crush Sarah Palin in a hypothetical, head-to-head presidential election for 2012.
Polling suggests that such a contest would result in the largest popular vote blowout since George McGovern ran against Richard Nixon in 1972.
Obama leads Palin 55-35 in the hypothetical contest.
He has an 89-7 advantage among Democrats. Among Republican he trails 66-17.
Last year exit polls showed Obama winning only 9% of the Republican vote, so it appears Palin would lose a lot more voters within her party than McCain did.
The poll showed Obama to have a 55 percent approval rating among voters, while Palin had only 39 percent favorability.
The Portfolio article is outstanding! Hope you'll all read the whole thing.
Funny how GVS never disclosed that her husband is an advisor to SP; must have slipped her mind. Even with Coales' money, the PR machine will have quite a task trying to make SP look like a credible candidate in 2012.
I think the relationship of GVS' husband to Sarah is pretty devastating.
She pretended to be the objective reporter, told O'Reilly that she knows them only through interviewing them. Yet she must actually know more, and therefore have consciously helped them promote lies.
I found this article written by Matt Maggio, which will give you a good background knowledge of lawyer John Coale and his lawyer wife Greta Van Susteren and their relationship with Sarah Palin’s unethical politics and whacky views:
http://tiny.cc/SguVE
I had this article on my screen but I stepped away for awhile and my computer did an automatic update, shutdown and restart! Aaarrrgghh! Had trouble finding it again, but I really wanted to share because it shows the lack of ethics of Greta and her husband. Every attorney knows “ambulance chasing” is TABOO! It takes pretty severe violations for attorneys to be suspended for a year.
And this is the Washington Post article about Greta’s husband John Coale assisting with “questions surrounding her family that lingered after the campaign”.
http://tiny.cc/IEcM2
Coale, in an interview with the Fix, described himself simply as a "friend" of the Alaska governor but acknowledged that he suggested she start a leadership PAC and helped her navigate through some of the questions surrounding her family that lingered after the campaign. Others familiar with Palin's political team insist that Coale has far more power than he is letting on -- essentially helping to run Sarah PAC. Coale demurred on that front, noting only that he talks to Palin regularly and that she is a "fascinating person" who is "definitely not what the right thinks or the left thinks."
And one more bit of info on Greta and hubby John Coale I found interesting:
http://tiny.cc/8OiWl
Does anyone still believe Greta Van Suckup was only doing interviews?
Audrey, your last post was so right-on and the latest issue of Star magazine proves it.
They tried to sensationalize the article with a few tid bits but I think everything Mercede said was done with SP's approval. Just think of the press they got out of this. All those Levi interviews!
One telling statement Mercede made was:
In fact, she even told Levi that she hates him and, when she learned she was pregnant, wished the baby wasn't his!"
Now, we have to assume she is talking about "Tripp" and the timeline would be either about June, July or August, 2008. Right?
After all this, they pack up and head for the RNC? And, Bristol and Levi are engaged. She's wearing a ring and Levi has Bristol's name tattooed on his ring finger. We see them all lovey-dovey up on the stage holding hands and appearing so affectionate! Go figure!
Now, if Mercede's timeline is different, say around Dec., 2007, the story makes more sense. Bristol is probably angry about being PG with Trig and SP makes her go live with her aunt in Anchorage. You've heard the story.
Are the Palins' and Johnstons' milking this cow together? Who knows!
Thanks, Audrey, for your diligence in pursuing the truth!
Diana,
Your timeline for 4-28-07 refers to the Douglas High School Prom (in Juneau) and questions if Bristol goes with Levi. The question we should ask is this: Did Levi fly from Wasilla to Juneau to go to that prom with Bristol? I doubt he has the money to do so, and if Sarah can’t find a way to charge it to the Alaskan taxpayers, she would not pay for his airfare. He might have made the trip by car and ferry (15 hours), but I don’t think he would go to that much time and trouble to go to a prom. Remember, he’s a ****ing redneck, and they don’t do no proms.
Whether Levi is Trig’s father or not, I think Bristol got pregnant in Juneau on or about 5/19/07. I think she got caught in the act and was whisked home to Wasilla. But she did not fly. She traveled by car, leaving Juneau on Sunday, 5-20-07 at 1:30 pm by the Marine Vehicle (Ferry) “Fairweather” and arrived at Skagway at 4:45 pm, then traveled by personal vehicle to Wasilla, arriving early Monday at 5:30 a.m. on 5-21-07. It is 783 miles from Skagway to Wasilla, which is approximately a 15 hour drive according to Google maps. This is all on her Travel Authorization showing “Return move to Wasilla”. The other children did not make the “Return move to Wasilla”, only Bristol. And this fits EXACTLY with the appearance of her 4 month pregnant baby bump in the 9-14-07 First Family photo. By the way, Sarah still charged the Alaskan taxpayers $48 for the ferry ride to banish her daughter. She just can’t help herself (enough)! LOL I presume Tod drove her, since Bristol was only 16 at the time. Or maybe Sarah had a state employee drive Bristol, again at the taxpayers expense.
I firmly believe Bristol gave birth to Trig at the beginning of February 2008, a few days before her 2-8-08 traffic accident in Wasilla. For the fun of it, let’s just say it was Groundhog Day so it will be easy to remember.
Diana,
Just want to point out that this photo is incorrectly captioned. surely it should be "brother of his girlfiend Bristol Palin."
Diana, your questions about the truck interview are right on target. Obviously Mercedes had time to glam up, and someone gave the photos to the Star. Funny about Levi having no photos of Tripp except the ultrasound. That's beyond weird. And someone paid for Levi's new truck...or else being a high school dropout electrician's apprentice (while being a hands on dad and presumably paying some child support) is more lucrative than I realized.
Clearly, the ultrasound pix was in the truck as a prop to subliminally bolster/validate the "Levi is the father" story, the pregnancy story and so on. The manipulation just gets more and more transparent with each passing day. The simple route for the Palin crew is to make THE statement:
"I SP gave birth to baby boy, Trig Palin, at Mat Su Regional Medical Center on 4/18/08 with Dr. CBJ as the attending physician."
"I CBJ attended SP as she gave birth to her son Trig Palin at Mat Su Regional Medical Center on 4/18/08."
It's obvious that she & CBJ can't do it. It's obvious that they've dragged Bristol down with them and are using their clout a teenage kid, Levi, for their own purposes.
Thanks to all for their theories, timelines, photos, and links! I'd like to say that we need to revisit and review the Bristol/Tripp interview with Greta Van Suckup (nice moniker!) in light of new facts that point to Greta's husband's (John Coale's) role in starting SarahPAC and in helping Palin deal with those pesky, lingering questions about her all-American family. This Bristol interview was probably planned in November, date and all (Greta really loves the folksy-ness of the IronDog). No one knows when (and, indeed, if) Tripp was born--but clearly the February date was decided with strategic assistance from Coale and Fox News.
If readers of this blog haven't seen them, there have been several nuggets on Fox News this week regarding the "break up" and the "left liberal media bias" that is making life hard for Bristol, an unwed teenaged mother raising a child who does not have his father with him in the home. Isn't it strange that Fox News would defend such a situation!!! They're usually the ones who bash any deviance from the nuclear, male-dominated family dynamic. (Sorry, I don't have the links to those.)
I would also really love to know what Tripp's name really is. I need to check how they register children born to unmarried parents in Alaska (every state varies)--because, while they can't really question who the mother is (after all, she is giving birth--although with the Palin family, even that is not a straightforward issue)-, they don't necessarily take her word for who the father is... So, did Levi have to "sign off" on the birth records? Or did they avoid the problem and just put Tripp Palin on the records? We certainly won't know (no birth announcement in any newspaper, hospital, etc.) for a while, if ever.
Regarding my earlier post, here is a general blurb about father's rights:
Parent rights when unmarried are not the same as married couples. When a child is born to a married couple the father is automatically presumed to be the father. However, parent rights unmarried is different in that unwed fathers are not automatically presumed to be the biological father of their children even in cases where the father has been listed on the child's birth certificate. Generally, paternity must be established for the father to seek custody and/or visitation rights with his child. Paternity refers to the legal acknowledgment of the parental relationship between a father and his child.
I will try to get a link in a moment.
Link on parental/paternal custody, with the quote cited in my previous post: http://tinyurl.com/dgodrt
and a pdf on fatherhood and the options for unmarried couples, dealing with Alaska, specifically:
http://tinyurl.com/cdf6mm
As for the bizarre ultrasound image (as someone else noted, the Palins have a weird fixation on ultrasounds): remember, the photographs are worth $$$! And I agree, Mercede looked camera-ready for the "coda" to the truck interview--although she did not exactly deny the Star magazine expose....
Re: Bristol's accident on Feb. 8, 2008: Most women are told not to drive for the first few weeks after childbirth. So if Bristol was the driver of the vehicle, she was still pregnant, or she was defying doctor's orders, or her doctor didn't tell her not to drive, or Trig was born in January. If she was wearing a sufficiently bulky coat, her pregnancy wouldn't have been that noticeable even at 9 months, especially if she had reasonably strong abs. I have a very bulky down coat that I wore when I was pregnant, and the coat did not hang that differently when I wore it nonpregnant.
Re: the artificial baby bump SP was allegedly wearing in that alleged Gusty interview photo:
Where did it come from? Did she rent it or buy it, and how did it get from wherever it was to where she could wear it (i.e., by mailorder, or did Todd pick one up, or what)? Could it have been inflatable? (That would be best, because otherwise you have to hide a good-sized box, I would think.) If I were going to fake a pregnancy, I think I would want a prothesis that I could adjust in size, although I would also make very sure it wouldn't leak or deflate and I would keep track of the measurements so I wouldn't underinflate by accident. And after re-reading the photoshop report, I am wondering if maybe they photoshopped her torso from when she was pregnant with Piper instead of putting her in maternity clothes with an artificial bump.
Re: maternity clothes. Does anybody know what happened with her maternity clothes after she had Piper? Some women hang on to a few outfits as "insurance," so it amazes me that after she announced her pregnancy, she only apparently had one maternity outfit to use for the remaining period of time, especially with the keynote address in April. For a clotheshorse like Palin, this seems to me to be a good indicator (on top of everything else) that she was not the pregnant one, because she would otherwise make a big deal of being thrifty by wearing old outfits or splurge a little on some new ones.
Sorry if these thoughts have already been discussed on earlier posts.
Good posts, Mary G! Advice to Levi: have paternity tests for both kids. And buy some condoms.
Another thought. I'm glad that several folks have mentioned maternity clothes, because it reminded me that yet another piece of the puzzle is that SP did not buy maternity clothes. Even the black stretchy top that she wore in the Elan Frank photos and in the Andrea Gusty interview was not a maternity top. In fact, she wore in quite often later that summer, including in the photos here on the AK government website: http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=187
If you look through the photos of Sarah taken during the late spring and summer of 2008, you'll find that she also frequently wore the same black jackets as in her pregnant photos, and occasionally the same scarves. Obviously she fit into the jackets and suits both when she was 7-8 months pregnant and when she was not even remotely looking post-partum.
Wow!
Great info guys.
Diana good screen grab of sadie, did you figure out how to do them?
My word verification must be for some palin: doprik
duncan
**From the Moderator**
Sandra,
Could you please resubmit your comment? I accidentally hit the wrong button and deleted it.
Original Lee brought up the possibility of an inflatable prosthesis. That would be a reasonable idea except that SP did so much flying in the later days of the "pregnancy." I was thinking back to the days when the prostheses for mastectomies were inflatable. I knew a woman who experienced a one sided inflation in the lowered pressure of an airplane.
The wild ride would certainly have been amusing.
Regarding whether Palin had a more authentic "empathy" belly for the Andrea Gusty shot of 4/13/08--my own theory is that Palin got it from Cathy Baldwin Johnson, who bought it to use in abstinence-oriented programs for teenagers.... Wouldn't that be a delicious irony?
Original Lee said @ March 19, 2009 8:39 AM "Re: the artificial baby bump SP was allegedly wearing in that alleged Gusty interview photo: Where did it come from? Did she rent it or buy it, and how did it get from wherever it was to where she could wear it (i.e., by mailorder, or did Todd pick one up, or what)?"
My own personal theory on that, Lee, is that she or someone in her entourage picked up the fake belly when she was in L.A. in early March 2008 (which, coincidentally, is just one day before she announced that she was "pregnant").
She'd gone to L.A. in her allegedly "8th month of pregnancy" to attend a Leadership Conference interviewed by Newsweek's Karen Breslau, and was on stage with now-Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
....sitting there leaning forward with crossed legs, wearing black sheer panty hose and high boots, looking quite comfortable...
One thing that caught my eye and I found a little humor in, Star mag, in the same issue as the Mercede article that the Palin/Johnstons will be reading, there are some telling pictures.
On page two, there is an actress that I've never heard of who is about eight months PG. She is thin but it is a side shot and her stomach is "huge."
Then, on page five, they have a top picture and bottom picture of two more who are playing parts as PG women and have fake bellies on. This is really emphasized.
Me thinks Star did a little "Gotcha" to the Palins!
Thanks to all for the tip on that great Portfolio mag article. I read every word of it. Coincidentally, I caught a wonderful PBS documentary Monday night about the history of the Alaska Pipeline. I feel so smart now. Smarter than, oh, I don't know...
Original Lee said...
Re: Bristol's accident on Feb. 8, 2008:
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Trig was born in January. If [Bristol] was wearing a sufficiently bulky coat, her pregnancy wouldn't have been that noticeable even at 9 months, especially if she had reasonably strong abs. I have a very bulky down coat that I wore when I was pregnant, and the coat did not hang that differently when I wore it nonpregnant.
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Hey everyone - reality check. If we can accept that Bristol Palin could have tight enough abs to not appear pregnant at 9 months, then we have to accept that Sarah Palin could too.
What does make sense is that they guy she hit was shaken and distracted by having just been in an accident, and didn't notice one way or another whether she looked pregnant in the ubiquitous sweatshirt she was likely wearing. When asked later, he was surprised by the question and said she didn't look pregnant. But he may have been more surprised by the fact that she didn't SAY she was pregnant, if she was, and that made him conclude she wasn't.
Also - I'm seeing a lot of speculation about all kinds of people who could have been involved in Sarah Palin's deception - from photoshoppers to prosthesis merchants to multiple staff members at hospitals. The more people supposedly involved in this, the less likely it could stay a secret. My opinion is that, if this theory is true, it had to involve very few people, or someone would have talked by now.
Here's who would HAVE to know: Sarah Palin, Todd Palin (unless he had no physical contact with his wife during the time frame in question), Bristol Palin and probably Willow. It's likely Cathy Baldwin-Johnson knows. Other than that - it's speculation. I always assumed the Johnstons knew, but maybe not, weird as that seems.
OMG!!!! Look at this:
http://tinyurl.com/c5lnm7
A fake empathy belly for only $16.95 and ships within 72 hours. And it IS adjustable, you can look 3 months or 8 months pregnant.
GOTCHA SARAH!
Rationalist,
I agree with you. I said before that I think only a few people know about SP and Bristol's deception. They are SP, First Dude, Bristol, CBJ, Maybe one or two other medical professionals, The Heaths, and possibly Bill McAllister. Not sure about Bill. He may not know the whole truth but I do think he knows enough to make him dangerous. Plus SP has made it a point to take care of him by giving him a job in her administration. The Johnston's have no clue about Trig and the Palin's have somehow found a way to keep them mostly silent about the little bit they do know.
Also, I am beginning to think that GVS and her husband, Mr. Coale maybe assisting with some cover-up but not real sure if I am convinced that they know the whole story.
I just find it strange that GVS would let Bristol get away in that interview with saying that the rumor that hurt her the most was the one that 'SP forced her to keep Tripp'. It's amazing to me that the 'Trig is Bristol's baby' was not Bristol's most disturbing rumor and that as a journalist GVS didn't bring it up anyway even if it was just for Bristol to dispute. This was a perfect opportunity for Bristol to just say, "Trig is not my baby, People, so get over it!" And because this didn't happen it makes even me more convinced that Trig is Bristol's baby.
Question.
Has anybody seen or read a place where Mercede or Levi ever refers to "his son" by name? I picked up the PEOPLE in the grocery line today and only had time for a quick scan-- and there was a quote from Mercede with the usual baby, son, child etc. reference but no specific name.
Odd.
Hello! Looooooong time reader but first time poster:)
I was just reading on Politico that GVS was defending her husband's relationship with SP:
Van Susteren writes:
I am getting lots of inquires about my husband John Coale — no, he is not a paid adviser to Governor Palin and never has been. And no, he does not want a job with her or with the other women he has helped.
Yes, he has given Governor Palin advice and helped her. He met her through me when I interviewed her….I did not meet her through him. I have gotten interviews with her not through him but through our staff on OTR. It is that simple.
Yes, it has some people all obsessed and spreading rumors — it is no doubt the enemies of the people who got so upset when my husband has helped Speaker Pelosi and Secretary Clinton and spread the opposite rumors. Some people get so bent out of shape by what they imagine. Go figure.
Hmm.... I just don't think I buy it, GVS.
Thanks to everyone for keeping this going and for looking into so many unanswered questions.
I also read on Andrew Sullivan's blog that Palin is polling in Iowa. Sigh.
"Hey everyone - reality check. If we can accept that Bristol Palin could have tight enough abs to not appear pregnant at 9 months, then we have to accept that Sarah Palin could too."
No way do I believe that. I might accept that an overweight woman might not show. But a thin, fit woman? There's NOTHING to camouflage that belly.
And my verification word is "pholi" (folly).
Alex: Good observation. We also noticed that during Bristol's interview he was not referred to by name.
Tully,
Why would the Palins tell Levi not to show any photos of Tripp to the press? It wouldn't make sense that they are still negotiating with People for first photos, as the GVS interview beat them. What would be their reason? What power would they have over him? I would think that they can't stop him from seeing his own son; he could go to court for visitation rights, even joint custody.
Palin Pregnancy Truth,
You believe that Bristol did not give birth to Tripp, but that he was adopted...by Bristol? Why would a 17-year-old unmarried teen adopt a baby? Or do you mean Sarah & Todd adopted him? (You do mean Tripp, not Trig, right?) What agency would give a baby to a single teen?
Original Lee,
Maybe women are told not to drive right after giving birth, but not everyone follows a doctor's orders. Don't doctors also warn women against flying late in pregnancy, even if they have speeches to give? Ha ha. Teenagers frequently don't do what they're told. What teenager would want to be told not to drive?
All,
Regarding speculation on who was in on the Trig deception, I believe that they kept the list of "knowers" as short as possible. The fewer people who knew, the less likelihood of disclosure, accidental or in spite (in case of a rift in friendship).
I just want to give a little tribute here to Levi.
Ever since I saw the interview, I have developed quite a great fondness and respect for Levi. Others have said he mumbled or seemed unimpressive in that interview, but I have a distinctly different view.
I thought he did a great job with an enormously difficult situation (professional reporters trying to get a juicy quote out of him, family pressure of all kinds PLUS perhaps the most difficult thing for anyone, at any age, of having broken up with a loved one). Other super intelligent, well-educated, experienced people we could all name have done far worse in a tough situation like this.
My impression of the interview was that of a gentleman (kind, polite, generous, willing to keep his mouth shut about personal matters) as well as an intelligent young man. I also really liked what I saw as the emotional content of the interview in his few words about his love for Tripp and what he said about the future of his relationship with Bristol.
I read somewhere that he had ADD: does anyone know if that's true or false?
Reading that immediately made me watch him a lot closer, because one of my sons has ADHD. As a Mom who has been through the ADD wars, and they are giant, I can almost guarantee that the intelligent, sensitive, young man I saw in the Levi interview (if it is true that he has ADD) has been poorly -- almost criminally poorly -- treated in his school life because of it.
I am saying right out that I saw an intelligent young man in that interview. And again, IF he has ADD, I can almost guarantee that his school did not know how to teach him, labeled him early as a problem or a stupid student, the other kids labeled him as a retard (and reminded him often about it in direct and subtle ways), whenever there was trouble he was more likely than others to be blamed for it, and his therapy at school was to be disciplined when he should have been taught.
When a kid with ADD who is actually really smart has that happen to him, he half believes it and half doesn't. He hates the situation, and half thinks he is to blame. He becomes anxious and depressed -- all perfectly understandable. Such an easy next step to self-medication and all that follows with that, including crime, death, and that whole devastating road, whether it is long or short.
I also know from the ADD war I have fought on behalf of my son, that most of the experts one finds and uses are highly recommended by others, well educated at reputable institutions, have complete confidence in themselves and their therapetic approach (as others do), charge very high fees -- and are misguided because they do little if anything to help the ADD child. They also give advice that is simply WRONG.
It took me about 8 years to find the right setting for my son, and he is doing wonderfully now, is most of the way back to being and feeling successful in his life.
I can say from my experience that finding the right setting would be nearly impossible for:
--a Mom who works full-time, especialy if it is a job that offers little flexibility;
--one who has other children or responsibilities that occupy lots of her time;
--who is not a good writer or otherwise is unable to document her situation in a professional manner that would stand up in court -- i.e., consistent with the legalities, leaving out rants about fairness, concise yet complete, with appropriate details, contemporaneously noted;
--who is ruled out by the possibility that she might have to pay school tuition of about $100k per year if she doesn't succeed in getting reimbursement from her school district;
--who is unable to pay $2k or $5k at frequent intervals (say two or three times a year) on her own at various points to do testing and obtain other independent help;
--who has not engaged the right lawyer;
--who is not pig-headed and horse-blindered enough to proceed even when all the experts around her plus her best friends are telling her she is wrong;
--who is not prepared to litigate if it comes to that.
That rules out a LOT of people who would otherwise benefit hugely from big-time help for their child -- I mean help that actually makes a difference. We now know that John Kennedy Jr. had ADD, and his mother obviously was not intimidated by the above requirements; few of us have her resources; some of us can nevertheless find the right setting for our child, but we are very few.
So, once again, I've gone into my long-winded mode because I wanted to tell you why I feel sure Levi, IF he has ADD, has been poorly treated -- aside from the current SP-related issues we are addressing here.
And for him to do do such a good interview -- not blaming others, exonerating others who might actually be guilty, keeping it short -- is a huge accomplishment for anyone, especially for someone whose self-esteem and ability to do his best has probably been mightily pounded by his school system -- IF he had ADD. I bet his sports worked the other way -- to support and help him. So good he had that.
I just have the feeling that Sherry J did not -- like Obama's Mom -- wake him up at 4:30 AM to tutor him.
So that's my Valentine to Levi.
Morgan: I bet you hit the wrong button on Sandra's post, deleting it (if you were reading the Sandra post that is immed after yours), because you were ROFL (as I was) at the thought of SP in her inflatable fake belly turning into a huge and then huge-er belly, aaaaaargh!!! -- ouch!! -- and finally exploding. To the amazement and amusement of all, except perhaps our dear Sarah.
Levi better get the ultrasound in his truck verified
http://tiny.cc/ultraFAKE
Personalized, of course, with Doctor's name (no real names please), date, hospital (or clinic)(no real names please), patient's first and last name, probable gender and degree of probability.
I have to put in two cents to say how implausible it is to think Trigg was born in January, and Bristol was driving too soon after childbirth etc. That "newborn" the Heaths were photographed holding on April 18 might not have been newborn but he certainly was not three months old. And remember, in an earlier post,
SP was quoted as saying that she was 'only pregnant for one month'--she announced in the beginning of
March a due date in mid-May, and the surprise premature baby had to end her costumery. I think Trig was born in mid to late March and sequestered until the Texas "no hands raised" moment, which clinched her VP interest.
AKPetMom--maybe you can help.
I've been trying to locate an article I read earlier about Willow's middle school class taking a trip toward the end of the school year and performing in some sort of festival. I don't remember if it was a school in Juneau or Wasilla. Does a middle school class (7th grade I think?)in Wasilla customarily take a trip like this? I think they sang a song in a native language.
Determining whether this was a Juneau or Wasilla school would help. Thanks.
Hi LisanTX,
I was just reviewing Diana's Flickr timeline and I believe you are asking about this:
6-5-2008 Wednesday- Anchorage- Bristol leaves the following day from Anchorage to Juneau to attend Sealaska Event. (Bristol Travel Report) Culture Club of Dzantik Henni Middle School the middle school that Willow attends is getting ready for Sealaska Heritage Celebration 2008. They made regalia and practiced Tlingit language, songs and dance to perform at celebration. Is this why Bristol flew to Juneau? This is her first time back in Juneau since Oct. 2007.
Go to the timeline at:
http://tinyurl.com/cnhqwu
It is especially helpful if you hit the Ctrl F keys to search. I looked up all of the "update" entries. I keep this blog up and Diana's timeline up to review back and forth.
from ADN
Palin rejecting
federal stimulus money
The biggest single chunk of stimulus money that Palin is turning down is $160 million for education.
There’s also $17 million in Department of Labor funds (vocational rehabilitation services, unemployment services, etc.), about $9 million for Health and Social Services and about $7 million for Public Safety.
Anchorage Democratic Rep. Les Gara suggested Palin could be pandering to voters outside Alaska and said it’s hurting the state's education, public safety and quality of life.
“I’m worried the governor is taking this sort of national political stance which is that she’s going to be the opposite of Barack Obama on everything,” he said.
Another thought:
Just because Levi has a picture of the ultrasound in his truck doesn't mean that's the only picture he has. He may have just stuck it up there on the visor when he got it, while he was waiting for his son to be born, and it's still sitting there. I wouldn't read too much into that.
Amy1: Thank you for getting the humor in my post. I still keep laughing at the thought of the enlarging belly.
Re: Bristol leaving Juneau 5-20-07
She probably drove herself home to take her car with her. She was over sixteen and a half.
Perhaps she was "caught in the act." But just as likely she finished school earlier than her sisters and had a job lined up in Anchorage. Some high schools let students skip final exams if their grades are high enough.
All we learn from her car wreck is that she wasn't totally banished to Anchorage the second semester of her junior year since she was driving in Wasilla that night. The other driver didn't notice she was pregnant. She may or may not have been pregnant by then. She may or may not have been going to the health clinic. She should have been wearing a heavy coat since it was only 15 degrees F.
If Bristol became pregnant in Juneau in May and was four months pregnant in the family photo in September, she would not have gone into hiding in Anchorage until she was 7 mos. pregnant, and Trig would have been full term if born in early February. But I just don't see a three month old baby in the May shower photos.
If Bristol became pregnant in June in Anchorage, Trig could have been full term in March or premature in early February. Maybe he's two months old in the shower photos, but he looks younger to me.
More likely is pregnant in July or August, due in April or May, born in March or April. But Patrick and others may prove otherwise.
To: Amy1
You asked if anyone knew if Levi had ADD. I haven't heard that but I did read on an Alaskan blog that he had dyslexia. I don't like repeating stories like this because I don't know for sure.
Trust me, dyslexia is worse than ADD. My son had it back when no one had ever heard of it. School was so difficult for him it made me cry. He finally graduated by doing most of his lessons orally.
I've thought about sharing this with others because it helps explain why he dropped out of school. He does seem to be a nice kid.
Remember he said someone else did his My Space page? That could be true because he did need help. I'm sure the responses were his though.
Can anyone confirm this?
BTW, I think he and Bristol broke up a long, long time ago. It looks like he really stll cares for her. Or, is that an act?
Like Gryphen said, "He's a pod now."
Windy City Woman,
If the Palins are fudging birthdates (as I believe they are)pictures of Tripp could be very damaging. As you may have noticed, there are some folks out here in the blogosphere who are pretty good at analyzing photos. I think Bristol and Sarah have plenty of power over Levi. Not married to Bristol, his legal rights over Tripp are very shaky. They can make it very difficult and/or expensive to see him. Who knows what other "levirage" they might have with him and his mom Sherry.
After reading an article this morning about a woman who gave birth on a plane and abadoned the baby in the wastebasket in the bathroom - after being stunned, the next thing I thought was "well the airline staff definitely won't lead to any clues about Sarah Palin's wild ride since they obviously can't tell if a woman goes in to labor on the plane."
link to story
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090320/as-new-zealand-flight-birth/
Oh Greta, now please can you see SarahPac from your studio? I think it's called disclosure - how much did the folks at Fix (oops Fox) News know about all this? Seems to me the waters are a tad muddy. Perhaps Fix (oops Fox) will do the right thing and list Greta's program as an entertainment slot rather than actual news. Imagine telling poor Bill O'Reilly that you hardly know the Governor. You must not have had time to mention anything at all about the PAC and how hubby helps SP control the 'rumors' about her family? Oh please Greta.
What a shame for Greta, I really thought she was the only persistent coverage for Natalie Hollaway, when others gave up the story, she stayed on it. Now this. Way to loose any cred she may have built. Way to take the so called network into the gutter with her.
How to get some cred back: Ask it straight up Greta:
Did you SP give birth to baby boy, Trig Palin, at Mat Su Regional Medical Center on 4/18/08 with Dr. CBJ in attendance or not?
Will you direct CBJ to state that: I, CBJ, attended Gov. SP at Matsu Regional Medical Center on 4/18/08 as she gave birth to her son Trig Palin?
Back to Bristol's accident:
What I was trying to say, but was probably not saying very clearly, was that if Bristol was pregnant at the time of her accident, given that it was very cold (15 degrees F or so, I believe someone said), she might not have been so huge in a bulky coat that she would have been obviously pregnant, or had a postpartum belly, especially if she had fairly tight abs to start with. I am not saying that she didn't show at all. I'm saying that with the right coat, she would not have been obviously pregnant to any except the keenest observer. BTW, IIRC, the accident didn't occur in broad daylight. Remember how short the days are in February in Alaska!
WRT the inflatable belly:
KaJo, that is a good thought. She could have acquired the belly in LA easily without anyone back in Alaska knowing.
I don't think she wore the belly while flying. The flight attendants were probably pretty unobservant, but I think she only wore the belly when she absolutely had to, and it was inflatable so she could pack it in her carry-on.
However, as Windy City Woman pointed out, she could have been driving despite having been told not to. If the distance between the Palin's house and the clinic wasn't huge, she probably thought the restriction was silly.
Someone on another thread mentioned developmental milestones and cited some clips in the Special Olympics video of Trig playing pattycake with SP. This was an excellent observation IMO and is one of the reasons why I'm leaning towards an early February birthday for Trig.
Re: Levi's connection to Trig
Didn't have time in the grocery line to do more than skim People, but it said Levi was helping with Special Olympics. Perhaps he was volunteered by the Palins or by his former hockey coach. Perhaps spending time with Trig has raised his awareness, whether or not he's Trig's dad. Interesting choice of public service.
In response to Windy City Woman,
I believe that the adoption was set up by the high powered GOP machine. Either that or through her church (or both). Once the public was made aware of the scandal, the GOP had to act fast to deflect attention away from the family and the Rovian tactic was to say Bristol was pregnant now. Because Bristol being currently pregnant was much less damaging than covering up a previous pregnancy and having McCain oblivious to it.
I'm sure that people can set up adoptions under the table with the right resources and the right connections. The Palins had to follow through with their bluff and provide a baby. The "leave Bristol alone" tactic would prevent further scrutiny and buy them time but ultimately they had to produce a baby.
And by the way, how hard is it to get someone to "lend" a baby for a picture or news report. Not that hard, especially when you have lots of high up friends/church members invested in your political success. Everyone who keeps pointing to the picture with the Heaths, how do we know that's Trig? And besides the GVS interview, have we seen any pictures or appearances of Tripp? The only picture Levi has is an ultrasound. These are TEENS!!! They take pictures like its their job. We should have seen loads of pictures of Bristol and Tripp.
Bristol's driving in early February 2008 tells us only that she wasn't in labor at that time. People drive until labor starts and as soon as they feel up to it after delivery. (No one told me not to drive after having a baby, and I drove a short distance about 12 hours later. Sitting was easier than standing at length.)
For those interested in the pipeline issue, here's a site I found back last fall.
http://www.finebergresearch.com/
And he discusses the Palin administration as well.
I finally found it again. People mag: "(According to Sherry Johnston, who homeschooled her son for a few years, Levi was diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and has long had problems in school.)"
I apologize to Sherry Johnston: it looks like she did do her version of what Obama's Mom did, givig hands-on help to her child.
http://tinyurl.com/ddfgje
Evansville Preparing for Palin's April Visit
By Network Indiana
3/20/2009
Alaska governor and former Republican Vice-Presidential nominee Sarah Palin will visit Evansville for two events in April.
She's scheduled to attend the annual Vanderburgh County Right to Life banquet on April 16.
The banquet itself is sold out, but 2,500 tickets are being sold for a live broadcast feed of her appearance in the centre auditorium, which is located in the same complex as the banquet. If those tickets sell out, it could be the largest event in the history of the centre.
Palin will be accompanied by her husband Todd and their son, Trig, who was born with Down Syndrome.
Palin will then attend a private breakfast the next day with an Evansville group that provides support for people with Down Syndrome.
from the
SHE MAY NOT EVEN
BE RE-ELECTED DESK:
Palin Stimulus Rejection Stirs Bipartisan Anger In Alaska
Alaska legislators -- both Democrats and Republicans -- are unhappy with Governor Sarah Palin's choice to reject more than 30 percent of the federal stimulus funds being offered to the state.
Palin will turn down about $288 million of the estimated $930 the state is being offered, according to the Associated Press.
...
The Anchorage Daily News reports that Palin's decision is getting mixed reviews from other Alaskan legislators.
The state legislature will have the opportunity to debate and possibly overturn Palin's rejection of the stimulus fund. Both Democrats and Republicans have suggested Palin's decision could have something to do with her career aspirations.
...
Palin's rejection of $160 million for education in particular drew a sharp rebuke from Anchorage Superintendent of Schools Carol Comeau. 'We believe that we can make very good use of the funds, not only in job preservation but also in adding new positions to ultimately use these funds to increase student achievement for our neediest children,' she said in a news release.
One Republican state representative has already put forth a bill that calls for Governor Palin to accept and distribute all the stimulus money, the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner reports.
wayofpeace, I don't think Sarah Palin WANTS to be re-elected.
That would get in the way of her national aspirations. When her Gov. term expires, she'll be free to start her campaign, funded by these 18+ months of campaign contributions to SarahPAC by her devoted followers ("Sayonara, Alaska, I hardly knew ye!").
If anyone has any intention of seeking her impeachment, or demanding she step down before the end of her term -- or anything else!! -- they better get crackin'.
B said on 3-19-09 at 7:46 pm:
“If Bristol became pregnant in Juneau in May and was four months pregnant in the family photo in September, she would not have gone into hiding in Anchorage until she was 7 mos. pregnant, and Trig would have been full term if born in early February. But I just don't see a three month old baby in the May shower photos.”
There are a few things that are not taken into account in the above statement:
1. If conception was on or about 5/19/07 (as I explained in my earlier post), Trig would have been due approximately 2/23/08 at 40 weeks. If he was born a week prior to the 2/8/08 traffic accident, that would be at about 37 weeks gestation. So he would have been about 3 weeks premature.
2. As with most young pregnant teens, it is most probable that Bristol did not disclose her pregnancy until after that 9-14-07 First Family photo. Therefore, she did not have the benefit of prenatal vitamins and proper nutrition in her first trimester and going into her second trimester, not to mention all the MySpace talk of drinking and drugs that summer. Considering those factors, she would have a high risk of having a low-birth-weight baby. Not to mention risk of fetal alcohol syndrome.
3. Another factor to consider is that, from what I have read here and looked up, Trig would likely have had difficulty either nursing or bottle feeding because of his Down Syndrome issues. So he could have lost some of his birth weight and/or very slow to gain weight.
4. Further, a preemie baby does not “look” the same at 3 months old as a full term baby does at 3 months old. It takes a preemie several months and sometimes into the toddler stage to “catch up” to length and weight as that of full term babies.
This from the BabyCenter: http://tiny.cc/HnlS9
“If the doctor tells you that your 2-month-old son is in the 75th percentile for weight, for example, that means 75 percent of the 2-month-old boys in the United States weigh the same or less than he does and 25 percent weigh more. If your baby was born prematurely, his gestational age is used to plot his numbers on the chart.
So if your baby was born 4 weeks early, his numbers will be compared with babies who are 4 weeks younger than your baby. Some doctors use "preemie" growth charts, but however she keeps track, the doctor will take into account that your baby arrived early.”
Considering all of the embellishments and out right lies that spew forth from Sarah’s lips, we cannot assume that the stated birth weight of 6lb 2oz was correct just because Sarah said it. It took us all a long time to realize that she lied about his birth date. I would not believe any statement she makes, even if it were under oath. She will lie.
And last but not least: “A picture is worth a thousand words”. This EXTRA LARGE SIZE 9-14-07 First Family photo CLEARLY shows that Bristol is at least 4 months pregnant:
http://tinyurl.com/abptnx
Bristol would not have looked this pregnant if she conceived in July or August as B speculated.
So, I am picking a birthday for Trig of February 2, 2008 or Groundhog Day to make it easy to remember. And like in the movie “Groundhog Day”, Bristol repeats the year with her pregnancy with Tripp who was born in January 2008. Should we be looking for “Trey” in December 2009?
Happy Belated Birthday, dear little Trig. I was happy to see you can play pat-a-cake!
This is almost off-topic; we have discussed it so little. Remember I asked about Track earlier. I've been puzzled all along by the almost eerie silence, shadowy-ness of the three men: Track, Todd, and Levi. We finally got a tiny glimspe of Levi because the aggressive reporter cornered him, but not so with Todd and Track. No interviews early on, before all was so strained. No leaks by or about them, as with Sherry J. No statements by their pals. Only from the women. Are they terrified by the reality of who the Dad of Trig is? Do they know? Or is this whole mess just not a guy-type thing? Esp not for Alaska-type guys?
Pro-Choice Grandma at 8:49
You make a good argument and everything seems very reasonable.
Although babies usually lose body weight after birth, the circumference of the head would not. And when you lay out all the newborn pictures available of little Trig, they don't match up. Trig looks bigger in the photo with his grandma holding him than in the close-up photo of Trig being held up between Sarah and Todd taken on 04-23-08, when they were interviewed by the media (film or live?).
Again, focusing on the circumference of the head, the picture used on the magazine cover taken at the baby shower reminds me of the approximate size of my daughter with a birth weight of 7 lb 7 oz at 6 weeks old. How could a baby's head grow so fast in three weeks?
See...now I'm all Tripped up!!!
Amy1: I wouldn't read too much into Track's recent silence. Hasn't he been deployed in Iraq since fall? My friend has a son who's also in Iraq; I think they're in the same unit. If so, Track isn't in Bagdad, which means 0 chance that media will make it out to him for an interview. And despite cell phones, computers, etc, there doesn't seem to be much communication with home. My friend has only heard from her son a couple, 3 times.
Yes, Track has been deployed, but that's why he went into the military -- to be deployed. Per rumor. As an alternative to jail. For what?
Todd is not deployed. Many spouses of candidates give interviews.
ProChoiceGrandma's recent comment/post reminded me about something, perhaps this has already been investigated, but if not....
It's been observed by most of us who've seen pictures of Trig, that in one picture his little hand is upright, seemingly waving. The camera shows that he does NOT have that simian crease that's supposed to be one of the characteristics of Down Syndrome.
Is that significant, or not? Would it suggest he has some other developmental problem that's NOT congenital? I know this has been commented on before, but I don't remember that we arrived at a consensus conclusion.
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mdlw56, re: your comment just above, FWIW, I was always under the impression -- I've never been a mommy, so I don't really know firsthand -- that a newborn infant's head looks largest at that point in time, then looks more "normal" sized in proportion to the rest of his body as he ages (as the weeks go by).
So, pictures of Trig should show a relatively large-headed baby at or near birth, and a week or several weeks later his head should look smaller atop his little body, which has been filling out with muscle mass and a fat layer.
Hm? Anyone else have an opinion about this?
Hello Original Lee. These are the links I used, with thanks to you, Kathleen and thewiredlife:
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http://tiny.cc/akD66
(YouTube link showing "Governor Palin's Address To The 2009 Special Olympics In Boise, Idaho")
Kathleen: March 8, 2009 9:28 PM
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http://tinyurl.com/334fj2)
(click on the link at the bottom of this page for a chart for ages 7-12 months)
[thewiredlife]: March 15, 2009 9:46 PM
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[I could not locate my previous post on the P.D. page, so the following text is from the editing file I was using before I posted on appx. March 15.]: "...anyway, I watched the whole thing. My speakers were not turned on (to save me from Sarah's screeching voice), but I noticed (at 1:52-2:01, and especially at 2:33-2:36 and 2:52-2:54) -- both still- and action- shots -- little Trig being showed by Sarah 'how to', and happily doing patty-cake on his own!
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I am interested in comments from practical & experienced (Moms and caregivers) and/or professionally-trained experts views of Trig's demonstrated level of coordination and skill in the video for Special Olympics. How does it compare with non-DS infants? Babies born full term? Any credence lent to an estimation of Trig's probable actual chronological age at the time the video was made?
Can we determine the date the video was made or posted?
herkimer
P.C.Grandma,
I have always taken into account that Trig's appearance should be based on his due date rather than his birth date if premature. If your theory is he was due 2/23/8 then I don't think the baby in the shower photos is 2.5 months old either.
He looks more like the picture with Sadie to me. I had one photo of my own three-week-old that looked totally unlike he did and his other pics did because his face was against something that made it look bigger and flatter and older. I think the Heath photo is an anomaly.
I also think it more likely that Bristol got pregnant after she left her mother and family at the Governor's Mansion and headed off alone to Wasilla/Anchorage for the summer. And I think if she really stayed at Wasilla High till she was more than 6 mos. along, her pregnancy would have been so widely known that someone there would be talking by now.
As for Bristol being a party girl, I thought we had no source for that rumor. It was based on Bristol being confused with Sadie in MySpace pictures, wasn't it?
I don't think we can diagnose pregnancy with certainty from the September 2008 photo. The green sweater photo showed Bristol's body is rounded. At best the Sept. photo doesn't rule out that she was 4 mos. pregnant.
But all that said, your theory may be right. I anxiously await Patrick being able to tell us more about why he thinks Trig was very premature in early February.
Palin's legal debts pile up,
by LISA DEMER
Gov. Sarah Palin owes more than a half million dollars to an Anchorage law firm that has defended her against ethics complaints, and she may create a legal fund to pay the bill, she said Friday.
Legal bills have mounted fighting complaints that she called partisan, false and frivolous, starting with "the politically motivated Troopergate probe," Palin said in a written response to questions.
She said the legal bills all stem from her actions as governor.
The debt, amassed since she was catapulted into the national spotlight during the presidential race, was revealed in her annual financial disclosure filed this week with the Alaska Public Offices Commission.
Amy1—Track enlisted on 9/11/07. He was deployed last fall.
Shortly before he enlisted, he was charged with speeding 10-19 mph over the limit, plead no contest, and paid the fine. Here is the information from the State of Alaska records:
09/08/2007
Conviction After No Contest Plea. Judgment Entered. Charge #1: 13AAC02.275(b): Speeding (10-19 mph over)
09/06/2007
Police Training Surcharge Due Within 10 Days of Sentencing Charge #1: 13AAC02.275(b): Speeding (10-19 mph over) Receipt: 279323 Date: 09/08/2007
09/06/2007
Fine Due Charge #1: 13AAC02.275(b): Speeding (10-19 mph over) Receipt: 279323 Date: 09/08/2007
09/06/2007
Minor Offense Citation Filed. Due 5 days from date of offense or defendant to appear in court on date listed on citation.
http://tinyurl.com/cla2eb
I recall reading an article in which the Palin family asked for privacy regarding Track’s enlistment. The combination of rumors of his hard “partying,” the timing of enlistment three days after the above incident, and the request for privacy are curious.
Regarding Todd, here is the url to the Greta interview with Todd:
http://tinyurl.com/cpc9a2
He seems introverted, letting SP have the spotlight. Someone of SP’s personality needs a source of support and admiration nearby, imo, and Todd seems to fit that role.
I saw a 1995 interview with Todd and Sarah after that year's Iron Dog finish. Sarah comes bouncing up holding Willow and chewing gum. Her interview/gum chewing session begins around 1:03. If you haven't seen it, here is the link:
http://tinyurl.com/ckz5js
Oh wow!! Check out SP's 2008 financial statement on the ADN
http://tinyurl.com/cht4w8
She list only 4!! dependents... going on to include Track as one of the 4 - see the attached income by child section...and obviously Bristol, Willow, and Piper must be the others.... so WHERE IS TRIG?? Also, I noticed in years past, she lists her children by name, and here she doesn't...
What is going on - is the jig up??
JJ said...She list only 4!! dependents... going on to include Track as one of the 4 - see the attached income by child section... so WHERE IS TRIG??
JJ, I assumed Track was not among the dependents listed because he no longer lives at home and is not a dependent for IRS purposes. That doesn't mean she's not supposed to list his income elsewhere on the form.
You can research what "dependents" means to see if I'm right, but I'm confident that this report isn't confirming that Trig isn't hers.
JJ,
Yes, it is quite interesting that Trig was not listed as a dependent in 2008. I wonder if anyone will write to the ADN (or other MSM) and point this out.
Could it be that Track is the one who is not a dependent, even though his income is listed, since he is one of her children? What if she is (shudder) still governor in 15 years; would the incomes of her 34-year-old children be listed? Is the purpose of the form to disclose any potential for conflict of interest, in which case even grown children's incomes would be listed?
Good find, JJ! Looks like Sarah has some more 'splainin' to do.
Amy1
Google Track Palin school bus incident, you'll get alot of info. It has also been rumored that he was a big partier, and was using oxycotin. The funny thing is the oxycotin rumors were even before we know that Sherry Johnston was a dealer. Makes you wonder.
"Gov. Sarah Palin owes more than a half million dollars to an Anchorage law firm that has defended her against ethics complaints, and she may create a legal fund to pay the bill, she said Friday."
Oh, she is such a twit. I clicked on the link provided by JJ and read her financial Public Disclosure Form. She wrote (by hand) that she was fighting "frivilous" (sic) lawsuits and had amassed over five hundred thousand dollars in legal fees.
Uh, NO. She's actually amassed over 500K in BILLS for legal fees. She is not a lawyer herself, and does not amass legal fees. She really doesn't speak English.
Track is 18 and not in school, so he may no longer be a dependent.
If Track's air fare was included in the family air fare listed on the disclosure form, than 4 dependents as listed would be incorrect.
I find it strange that John Coale used the word "navigate" when referring to helping Palin with her family issues. Only because it proves that they have to steer away from the truth.
I'm sure that the four dependents are the ones that are actually living in her house. Track is earning his own income, so he does not qualify as a dependent.
Also, I saw pictures of Bristol on Immoral Minority where she appeared still pregnant during this years Irondog, I've not seen those pictures mentioned on this blog.
http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/2009/03/post.html
Why would Track's salary be listed as her child's income, if he was not included as one of the four dependents? Shouldn't Trig also be included, even as grandchild, since her income supports him? I am confuuuuused....
RE: 2009 Financial Disclosure Statement (FDS):
Thanks JJ, I have been waiting to see what Scarah would put on this official document.
What I find most interesting is to compare page 5 of the 2008 and 2009 document “Dividends and Interest”. There is an attachment on page 13 of the 2008 FDS that you have to review also.
The 2008 FDS for the AK Perm Fund Dividend first lists Filer separately, then Spouse separately, then under Child it specifically lists Track, Bristol, Willow & Piper Palin.
The 2009 FDS for the AK Perm Fund Dividend is only listed on ONE line under Filer with handwritten entry “6 in family”.
Does this mean that Track no longer receives dividends, or does it mean Trig is not a dependent? It could mean Track is no longer a dependent, but wouldn’t he still receive dividends as a family member?
The 2008 FDS gives the breakdowns for BBNC and Choggiung for Tod and specifically lists Track, Bristol, Willow & Piper.
However, the 2009 FDS for the BBNC Dividend is ONE line listed under Spouse & Child: (5 in family).
The 2009 FDS for the Choggiung Ltd Native Corp is ONE line listed under Spouse & Child (5 in family).
It seems to me that Scarah is deliberately vague to avoid having to actually list Trig as her dependent. Do ya’ think maybe Scarah is a teensy bit nervous about having the IRS investigate if Trig is actually her child if she officially lists him as her child on an official document?? Someone obviously advised her, guess this is one reason she owes over $500K for legal fees. I wonder how much Sarah owes John Coale for his counsel, oh yeah, his wife Greta Van Suckup gets the exclusive interviews for Faux Noise.
For easy reference here is the 2008 FDS: http://tiny.cc/U0wWK
Here is the 2009 FDS: http://tiny.cc/AxU4j
In order to be a "dependent" for federal tax purposes, a person must satisfy four tests:
* Relationship — the taxpayer’s child or stepchild (whether by blood or adoption), foster child, sibling or stepsibling, or a descendant of one of these.
* Residence — has the same principal residence as the taxpayer for more than half the tax year. Exceptions apply, in certain cases, for children of divorced or separated parents, kidnapped children, temporary absences, and for children who were born or died during the year.
* Age — must be under the age of 19 at the end of the tax year, or under the age of 24 if a full-time student for at least five months of the year, or be permanently and totally disabled at any time during the year.
* Support — did not provide more than one-half of his/her own support for the year.
Track would not seem to qualify as a dependent. Interestingly, Sarah can claim Tripp as a dependent under the above guidelines. Another good reason for Bristol to remain an unwed mother. We know grifter grandmommy Sarah has never met a deduction she didn't like.
The latest issue of People Magazine has a very long story about Palin. It deals with the break-up, and goes on to quote Mercede, about Levi and Tripp (once again, the Johnstons do not mention Tripp by name): Levi "loves him more than anything," says Mercede. Asked about her brother's breakup, Mercede says he and Bristol are "being mature about the situation because of the child." She adds, "I hope they don't get back together, just because I'm not fond of her."
Wow!!! From "Family love" to "Mommy-in-law" and "My sister-in-law, oh, how I love her" to "I'm not fond of her"--it's almost Shakespearean in its complete about-face. I do hope we'll be hearing more from Mercede soon!
Hello,
Ok.. I was doing some searching (err..sleuthing) and saw this photo
Palin Pregnancy Photos - PreMarch 2008
She is 28 weeks (The photo of her with the jumbo orange scarf)
I noticed (as well in a few other photos) that she kind of had that water retention, bloated look going on.
Typical in the later stage of pregnancy.
Since she gave birth a few weeks early.. 28 weeks would be within a month or so of giving birth.. hence "later stage of pregnancy")
The thing is, perhaps I am wrong?
I thought once your body started to take on that bloated look (mainly in the face and neck area which I see in this photo) doesn't ones belly also, if not before, start to become a whopper?
I see a bloated face and no belly (well poyfy clothes and jumbo scarf).
To me it looks like I am looking at a "beefy" woman.
Perhaps she laid off running for a few weeks and chowed down. Enough salty foods and a few weeks on your bum will give you that bloated look.
But, neglected, to add more padding or another 2 or 3 scarves to make her belly at least look proportionate to this stage.
Oh wait! I forgot!
She wanted the chance to tell whoever would hear her that she had these amazing "tight abs".
but wait again!
I thought she was a runner? She seems to go on and on about how far she can run and how she just loves it so... but "running" doesn't give one "tight abs"
It may give one "slim abs" .. like it may give one a "slim body" but it doesn't create tight abdominal muscles.. hello?
I think she bloated herself up to look pregnant but couldn't bring herself to add more padding because she wanted to appear hip and trim. But the bloated face doesn't jive with no belly.
O.T. but reminds me of the Vogue interview
She was asked if her "looks" were a negative
She gave a nice gushy reply that she wears school marm glasses and a beehive to detract from her lovely face.
Hrmm.. a beehive up do requires a little trip to the beauty parlor for one of those hair piece thingys. School marm glasses = $$$ designer glasses?
I thought if one wanted to detract from their looks.. slathering on the makeup with a spatula didn't quite have that effect.
Back to topic.. I think her bloated face photos are interesting. Unless she has the strangest body in the world.. the belly pops out before the fat neck action takes place and she has no belly.
(I've only been pregnant once.. just my own observations)
I looked over the financial disclosure statement and here's my two cents worth. I am no tax expert but if Track graduated from high school in 2007, and joined the army 9/07, and also turned 18 in 2007, it is unlikely he could be claimed as a dependent in 2008 by the Palins.
I would think it would be more likely that they could claim Tripp on their taxes. The financial disclosure asked about dependent children, not IRS dependents so they could have claimed him on their taxes but not reported Tripp on the disclosure.
The one thing I found lacking on the disclosure was any mention of Alaskan Permanent Fund money for Tripp. It was not mentioned with the line of line of filer (Sarah) - 6 in family. It was not mentioned for recipient - child. Seems to me if Bristol applied for this credit it should have been reported here. Bristol was a child dependent in 2008 and it would have been an income of over $1000. That is if Tripp was born in 2008...
I have a B.A. in child development and so I can say that a child's head can be quite a bit larger (proportionally to their body)even up to their second birthday. All children can and do develop at different rates.
As for the hand waving or patty cake it does seem quite remarkable on the surface but overly so. Not all DS babies have the exact same IQ. While DS children may be developmentally delayed some have higher functionality.
The thing with kids is no one child develops exactly like another and thus there are guidelines but no hard and fast rules. Within my family, for example, I had a daughter talking in complete sentences before she was 15 months old and a son who did not speak a word till he was two. Both children get the same grades academically. My son just took his time understanding the world in which we live.
Sadly I don't think any of this really helps in narrowing down Trig's actual birthdate. I am going to dust off some of old textbooks and see if I can find out anything more.
my WV is fencival - like fanciful thinking Ms. Palin.
The main photo that catches my eye is the one of her sitting patting the square looking tummy
With the lightening of the area it shows some sort of pad
I'm wondering if this could be a "trick" with pixelations? I am no photo guru, of course.
I thought to appease my own mind.. and others that may find it not solid proof there is something under there.. just some flook when it is lightened..
What if someone posed in her position with padding, ect.. and someone took a photo and did the same manipulation?
Then do one with someone with a true prego belly?
just thoughts..
It looks like Piper wrote that report.
Amy1 said;
Craig: I've asked you before, and I felt I got bafflegab instead of your usual straight talk: what part of this set of photos is not proof positive?
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I know I've addressed this before on a prior thread. I gave my assessment of each picture, purely from my own unknowledgeable, nonexpert point of view. Up until the April, 2008 picture, she doesn't appear as pregnant as I would expect someone to look, at the stages she would have been in.
While that seems odd, I can not make the leap from seeing an unusual-looking pregnancy development in a few pictures to saying that she was definitively not pregnant.
So, to answer you as directly as possible, the issue to me is more along the lines of, I personally could never take this collection of pictures and declare them to be undisputable proof of anything.
To me, pregnancies can come in all sizes, based upon any number of factors. I personally would need more collaborating factual datapoints to believe that a storyline as bizarre as this conspiracy narrative is true.
Speaking for myself, I think that it is one thing for someone to say, "I personally am convinced that Sarah was never pregnant with Trig, based upon these pictures". What I balk on is when someone says "I personally am convinced that Sarah was never pregnant with Trig, based upon these pictures, and someone who doesn't agree with my certainty in these pictures is simply illogical, irrational or is being dishonest".
But there are undoubtedly more people out there who would not be nearly as hesitant to call these pictures "proof positive". Some of them are progressive bloggers who would love to support whatever information was made available to them, which could put Sarah on the spot. One of them, Andrew Sullivan, is more than sympathetic to the Trig conspiracy issue and has the professional influence to move this story into a much wider audience.
So why not get this information into their hands?
Anne S, I think Sarah has lost a scary amount of weight since being tapped for VP last September. I've read she subsists on Diet Dr. Pepper and Slim Fast, and I wouldn't doubt it--it would also explain her increasingly crazy behavior. If you look at photos of her from 2007, even before she would have been "pregnant" she was not so slim.
She had to give up running once she announced she was "pregnant"--impossible to hide a nonexistent belly in running clothes. So I wouldn't be surprised if she kept eating the same and piled on some pounds that she has now gone overboard in losing.
While we're being catty, i also think the GOP hid her away those two weeks after the convention not so much to coach her as to give her Botox. She looked much younger on the campaign trail than she did as governor. Now, she's starting to age again very rapidly. Meow.
Re: Trig's permanent fund dividend eligibility. A child is eligible if born during the qualifying year, but only if born before the cut-off date for dividend application, which would have been March 31, 2008.
If the Palin's are sticking w/the April 18 birthdate, then Trig did not qualify for the 2008 dividend, thus it would not be reported as income on the Palin taxes.
I don't get it: the comments counter goes from 305 to 313 to 321 to 323 to 324, but I don't see new comments at any of these points. I'm trying to keep up while pressed for time. I suppose this is some Google software thing beyond control?
I am having a difficult time referencing any discussion of tight abs on Bristol Palin given her appearance in the family photo dated 9-14-07. My mind keeps saying "what tight abs?" Then, "She must be pregnant in that photo."
Sorry:) In my earlier post I said "As for the hand waving or patty cake it does seem quite remarkable on the surface but overly so."
I meant to say Not overly so.
Uh-oh.
1(a) On MSNBC just now (about 2:15 PM EST), anchor guy John-something asked NY Times reporter Jeff Zeleny about SP's rebuttal to the presiden't Special Olympics gaffe on Jay Leno the other night. The anchor says something like, "After all, the governor has a grandchild with Down syndrome..." and Zeleny replies (I'm paraphrasing again here), 1(b)"Well, uh, John, I think that's her daughter.."
2) Then we have the AP reporting that the Mount Redoubt volcano is going crazy today in...
"WILLOW, Alaska - Alaska's Mount Redoubt volcano erupted five times overnight, sending an ash plume more than 9 miles into the air in the volcano's first emissions in nearly 20 years.
"Residents in the state's largest city were spared from falling ash, though fine gray dust was falling Monday morning on small communities north of Anchorage." Wow. I can't help thinking about Pompeii.
Anyone know how long Bristol was in labor before giving birth to "Tripp?"
While we're being catty -- me too!
midnightcajun said @ 9:34 AM..."While we're being catty, i also think the GOP hid her away those two weeks after the convention not so much to coach her as to give her Botox. She looked much younger on the campaign trail than she did as governor. Now, she's starting to age again very rapidly. Meow."
Remember when Newsweek Magazine had Palin on their cover, and Palinistas and Fox News were outraged that it was an extreme closeup, totally unretouched? Read this commentary about the aftermath -- it's hilarious in its hypocrisy.
You all should read this article by Geoffrey Dunn on HuffPo:
http://tinyurl.com/cjhk4u
Thank you, sparkster!
In seeking definitive clues, I was just hoping that the demonstrated ability of Trig to 'patty-cake' was a relatively agreed-upon level-of-coordination/ age-related motor skills milestone for an infant/toddler that is somehow diagnostic.
Trig is a cutie in the video though -- good to see him active and alert rather than sack-of-potatoes mode among too many people, too much noise, exposure to who-knows what?, and lack of concern for his well-being from the "parent", as we witnessed at the RNC.
I noticed the normal-looking creases on Trig's palm (in an earlier video), and thought, "... good for him..."
My wv is 'bludust' -- bloodlust? ... related to 'blood sport' of which SP accuses us?
herkimer
Silly Rabbit:
Funny comment about Pompeii as I was lying in bed reading last night at 11pm, here in Wasilla, and my partner had just heard about the first eruption at 10:40pm and we got to talking about how to seal off the air intake to the furnace in case ash was headed our way. Then we made a joke about all of us waking up covered in ash and having our "ash forms" found centuries later like those unfortunates in Pompeii. Then we joked about Redoubt being unhappy and having to dump the body of our governor into the crater to calm the angry volcano gods.
Then we decided to do nothing and see if we had ashfall here this morning, which we didn't.
I've been thru a heavy ashfall here in AK in 1992 but we've at least dodged the bullet in Wasilla this time, for the time being.
The joke up here is Sarah Palin is even pissing off Mother Nature, and we all know how that goes!
I just lost my dinner after reading the article Truthseeker2 linked to at HuffPo!
At least it is now in the open about Greta Van Susteren, her husband (and not-so-secret admirer/boyfriend of Palin), and Alaska's first couple (I wonder if they're swingers?)
I recommend that all readers hop over to HuffPo, and first--look at the photos!! Greta gazing adoringly at Todd and Coale mooning over Sarah! But have an airsick bag handy....
I am now going to check out Kajo's latest link...
Thanks, Kajo, even though I did want to vomit again after reading about Palin's caked make-up, crow's feet, enlarged pores, and facial hair (!!!), I also had to laugh.
It's hard when you can't have the $25,000/week stylist with you all the time!!! Oh, John and Greta... can you help Sarah out??? We know Greta knows a plastic surgeon...
Someone said:
The 2008 FDS for the AK Perm Fund Dividend first lists Filer separately, then Spouse separately, then under Child it specifically lists Track, Bristol, Willow & Piper Palin.
This is key. I have worked for IRS and it is a very serious offense to lie on tax documents. Track can be explained because in some cases, children over 18 can be claimed as a dependent and since he is in the army he might have Sarah's house as his address. I don't know of a case where a dependent is omitted. Why would she not claim Trig when he can be either her child or a child of her dependent. Is it possible that Trig is not a child of anyone in that family? Did she leave Trig off because it would be illegal to try to claim that money for someone you cannot?
Is Sarah's 1040 public? She will have to list her dependents. Why aren't her dependents LISTED on the 2009 form? How many people are in her family? These are easy questions. Track should be a dependent, so that is not an issue.
What can she say? She FORGOT to put Trig on last years form? Wow, this could really break open this case.
I love this site, all of you have great comments and appear to do alot of research into this topic. I cannot follow all of it as it has grown too complex. But this IRS issue is where Sarah will have to swear under penalty of perjury that all the information is true, if she has not had to do that already. Wow, wow, this could be the thing we have been waiting for.
Alaska Education Board in the ADN says ONLY 40% of AK High School students graduate with a diploma.
and YET, Palin is turning down $160 million for education.
Midnightcajun,
You say Sarah looked younger during the campaign. Don't forget she had expensive professional makeup artists at work doing her face and hair. A professional makeup job makes a woman look much better than what a woman would do herself.
Anne S,
You mentioned the appearance of bloating in Sarah's face as evidence of pregnancy. I personally believe she did not give birth to Trig. Bloating could be a sign of PMS. I've never been pregnant, but I've had premenstrual bloating more times than I've ever wanted, and it really showed in the face.
Silly Rabbit,
I, too, was thinking about that Alaska volcano today while watching the news and reading the paper. Lots of flights were grounded. Wouldn't it have been interesting if Alaska flights had been grounded (due to volcano, weather, or anything else) on the night of Trig's "birth" (when Sarah was returning from Texas)? If she had told her father that she was leaking amniotic fluid, and she had been unable to return to Alaska for a couple of days, I wonder how the "I was leaking but toughed it out until returning" story would have played? Would anyone have believed her? Two days in Texas leaking fluid and no trip to the doctor? Of course it didn't happen that way, but just imagine...
Oh, I just looked at the 2009 filing and Track is listed as 'child' with income of $21K from the military. Therefore, Trig is not listed on the 2009 form. Why?
Audrey quotes Trailblazer:
"While Bristol was pregnant last year, she was living in Anchorage with her aunt and uncle, Heather and Kurt Bruce, and working at two espresso shops – while also attending West High School."
The financial report lists only one coffee shop, not two. Bristol worked part-time. At $7.15/hr she made over $2400, which comes out to over 320 hours. If that is half-time, she worked 16 weeks of 2008. That's quite a bit of living with Aunt Heather while pregnant with Tripp.
Not sure what this adds to Audrey's post, but Bristol must have worked for that coffee shop some when she wasn't pregnant with TriPP. And Sarah again omits one of Bristol's jobs from the disclosure. (Motive? Like PacSun?) Sarah also doesn't fill in the dates requested for any part-time work except Todd's fishing.
And AKPetMom, would Trig have been excluded from the two Native American stipends for the same reason as the Alaska stipend, not (officially) born by 3/31/08? She lists 6 for Alaska and 5 for the other, omitting herself I think.
AKPetMom,
I wondered if the two Native American stipends Palin's family (but not Sarah) receives had the same 3/21/08 cutoff as tha Alaska stipend.
As I read the APOC instructions, CHILD on the form means DEPENDENT CHILD, so she shouldn't have included Track in those counts, suggesting she did included TriG.
However, I suspect it was Track she included, because it just says "CHILD," because her staff would think it better to disclose too much than too little, and perhaps all the stipends are sent to the family together, dependent child or not, until they request otherwise so she gave that amount.
trev,
The 2008 form covers 2007. We're pretty sure Trig was not born until 2008. Track would have lived at home in 2007 until he joined the Army in the fall, so she should have counted him.
You are right that on the 2009 form, for the year 2008, if Track was not included as a dependent child she did not need to list his Army salary on that attachment. However, I think it is OK to list too much. She knew it would be publicized. She gets brownie points for a soldier son, paid so little for being in Iraq.
I don't think we can conclude that her including Track's salary means that she counted him as a Dependent Child, and therefore did not include TriG, and therefore TriG's not hers or her family's.
Willow is in 8th grade now. I remember that was an issue but don't recall if it was resolved. On her 2008 APOC form Sarah says that in spring of 2007 Willow was a sixth-grader.
Concerning Sarah's tax returns, I doubt there's a requirement for her ever to disclose those. If she runs for Pres., it will be customary for her to release them. (Maybe she'll just have an accountant write a letter instead.)
Hey Audrey and everybody, go over to Mudflats and read the article titled: For Every Explosion There is An Equal and Opposite Implosion. (for Sarah Palin) and see #5. I hope we won’t be disappointed, but this statement makes me shiver with excitement:
“#5. And finally, implosion #5……. I can’t tell you. Sorry to do it to you Mudflatters, but trust me when I tell you, it’s a good one. Well….unless you’re Sarah Palin. A press release is imminent in the next day or so, so I’ll let you use your imagination. It’s like a blog cliffhanger! Tune in tomorrow when Sarah Palin is stunned by “
AKPetMom,
I had forgotten that you live in Wasilla. Isn't anyone talking there? How pregnant was Bristol when she left the high school in the middle of her junior year? When did she start being seen around town in 2009, mid-Feb? If you can't tell us here, I hope you are emailing Audrey what you hear around town.
Anne S at 3/23/09 at 3:37 has an excellent idea about doing a sample picture using the same angle with the same lightening, first without a pad, then with a pad and then with a real pregnant belly! Audrey, can you have your photo expert do this experiment? Some people just don’t “get it” unless you show why it looks different and see the comparison.
This reminded me of the OJ Simpson trial in which Johnny Cochran had OJ put on the “bloody gloves”, except OJ was wearing latex gloves so he wouldn’t get contaminated with his wife’s blood. I could not believe that some friends didn’t “get it”, so I gave a demonstration using large loose gloves, first without latex gloves, then I put on latex gloves and tried putting the large loose gloves over the latex gloves and it looked exactly like it did with OJ, the large loose gloves DIDN’T FIT! The friends that I showed this were amazed, they had not noticed that OJ was wearing latex gloves. Duh! I never could understand why Christopher Darden did not demonstrate this to the OJ jury.
I still trying to figure out this Alaska Permanent fund. The FAQ's say the application period is Jan 1- March 31 of the year you are applying.
In 2008, Track would have been 18 on Jan 1 and should have gotten his own and not had it reported with the family, or at the very least had it reported on a separate line on the financial disclosure, especially if he is one of the 4 dependents.
Trig was born Apr. 18 (give or take) and would not have been born before the end of the application period.
Shouldn't that make the number of persons in the family 5 for this?
WV is squill
b said:
I don't think we can conclude that her including Track's salary means that she counted him as a Dependent Child, and therefore did not include TriG, and therefore TriG's not hers or her family's.
This is EXACTLY what we can assume. She is required to list the income of all dependents she is CLAIMING for the check. It would make no sense to include the income for a child you are not requesting the check for.
Please note that age 18 does not disqualify Track from being a dependent. Track could be a dependent up to age 22 in some cases.
I don't understand why Trig is omitted from the 2009 form. Either Trig is not her dependent, not the child of her dependent. Could this be some weird adoption that has not been completed? Who the hell is Trig?????????
Sarah Palin had another bad day. Yet another ethics violation charge was filed with the State of Alaska, this time courtesy of the Celtic Diva: http://www.divasblueoasis.com/.
It shows how Palin turned her position as governor into free advertising for a snow "machine" and winter gear company. The complaint doesn't mention turning her child into an adjunct of her shilling, but perhaps we can add that (although don't Mommy and Piper look cute, with John Coale drooling in the background?).
Once again, Palin's greed and insatiable desire for publicity have exposed her unethical behavior.
Mudflats also has some good blogs on this and other Palin scandals: http://www.themudflats.net
ProChoiceGrandma -
"Hey Audrey and everybody, go over to Mudflats and read the article titled: For Every Explosion There is An Equal and Opposite Implosion. (for Sarah Palin) and see #5. I hope we won’t be disappointed, but this statement makes me shiver with excitement:
“#5. And finally, implosion #5……. I can’t tell you. Sorry to do it to you Mudflatters, but trust me when I tell you, it’s a good one. Well….unless you’re Sarah Palin. A press release is imminent in the next day or so, so I’ll let you use your imagination. It’s like a blog cliffhanger! Tune in tomorrow when Sarah Palin is stunned by “"
#5 just got posted and turned out to be kind of disappointing. It's just another ethics violation involving Sarah wearing gear supplied by one of Todd's snowmobiling sponsors.
http://www.themudflats.net/2009/03/24/another-ethics-complaint-filed-against-sarah-palin-cat-gate/
I should clarify. Yes, technically, this is an ethics violation, but this is Sarah Palin we're talking about. Palin commits worse ethics violations just going out to get the paper in the morning. I'm looking for the home-run shot that finally forces her to retire from national politics.
nilap,
In 2008, Track most likely was not a dependent for federal tax purposes, even if he kept his official address as the Wasilla house. But that doesn't speak to whether he would have received his own check from the Alaska Permanent fund. Perhaps it goes by household address, and so Sarah included it. Different entities, different requirements.
It would be great if ADN or someone would ask questions about Palin's 2009 disclosure: Whom did you include as dependent children? Who received the Alaska money? Who received the Native American money? Why did you list Track's salary?
But probably no one whom Palin feels she needs to answer, will ask her. And if she did answer, probably she would say that TriG and not Track was a dependent child, and she listed Track's income from various sources out of an abundance of caution, or because he still uses her home address. It's OK to list too much.
So, yes, it's an inconsistency, but, no, it's probably not revealing that TriG was born before 3/31/08 or isn't her child.
ProChoiceGrandma, thank you for the Mudflats tip. My guess is that the bombshell will have something to do with the biggest, baddest power of all. And I'm not talking about the Almighty. I'm talking about the Internal Revenue Service.
from MUDFLATS
Another ethics complaint has been filed against Governor Sarah Palin today [by CELTIC DIVA]
The list of Palin’s “gates” is long, but this complaint swings open a new one. Cat Gate. And this cat has teeth.
Diana--your second link is not the right one--it is a link to the comments on Gryphen's site--Immoral Minority.
nilap-in the 2007 disclosure, the Permanent Fund payments for spouse and childrenwere listed separately (but all children were put on one line) whereas in the recently released 2008 disclosure, spouse and children are grouped together--interesting time to change methods of reporting, huh?
Track is likely included in the 2008 disclosure number of recipients (6) because this is a disclosure form relating to conflicts of interest, and it is in SP's best interest to over-report rather than leave something out. (Not to mention that it confuses the issues also, too.)
Alaska state regulations or departmental instructions would set out the proper method to complete the form, i.e. whether it's okay to group spouse and children's dividends and interests. Note that the form instructs to disclose dividends and interest OVER $1000. She disclosed amounts under $1000 while not required by the form instruction at the top of the page.
I cannot picture that Levi would be totally powerless to see Tripp and that he would be completely under Sarah's thumb, especially in light of his mother's representation by a high-powered lawyer. I'm sure there is some sense of intimidation given Sarah's reputation and vindictive nature, but it would seem that some competent legal advice is available to his family.
Craig wrote:
While that seems odd, I can not make the leap from seeing an unusual-looking pregnancy development in a few pictures to saying that she was definitively not pregnant.
So, to answer you as directly as possible, the issue to me is more along the lines of, I personally could never take this collection of pictures and declare them to be undisputable proof of anything.
To me, pregnancies can come in all sizes, based upon any number of factors. I personally would need more collaborating factual datapoints to believe that a storyline as bizarre as this conspiracy narrative is true.
The circumstantial evidence supports the direct evidence of the photographs.
SP admitted to disguising her appearance.
SP admitted to keeping her condition a secret.
SP continued to disguise her appearance after it was not longer necessary based on the reasons she gave for disguising her appearance in the first instance.
SP admitted that she didn't want people to know she was pregnant, yet was fortunately enough to get a pregnancy that could be disguised despite her physique.
AND there's the wild ride, which is an outright lie at best, or utterly reckless at worst. People don't admit reckless behavior -- and there's no other choice but to conclude that SP saw the problem with her story as you listen to the Lisa Demer interview -- unless the other option is admitting to worse.
I can see why you might still have reasonable doubt, but I have doubt that you would give another individual so much benefit of the doubt. You're letting SP's celebrity and the risk she would have had to take cloud your judgment. That happens with juries. That's how OJ got off. They don't want to believe that a larger-than-life person might lie (or murder) like a commoner given the right motivations.
I just got back from visiting my sister, who happens to be a prosecutor. I laid out the basics of the case, and although she started as an SP fan when she was first introduced, she had to admit that the facts we're unearthed were odd. There's a missing piece, however, and that will become clear if we get the motive right.
I don't think the motive fits for Bx2. That's my reasonable doubt (along with no evidence of Bx2, just conjecture and weak circumstantial evidence). Motive fits for Wx1/Bx1, with similar level of circumstantial evidence. If someone came up with another plausible motive, we might find some other candidates.
Faking a pregnancy for attention doesn't cut it, because that kind of behavior would not have produced the interview with Lisa Demer. SP has too much consciousness of potential guilt during that interview to be so oblivious to the consequences of getting caught faking. Her answers are utterly rational for someone aware of what others might think. Hence her answers, if taken to address the question of urgent or not for the wild ride (the direction LD's questions were leading), equate to neither and both. You don't get any more rational and consciousness of guilt than that.
Dangerous
Diana,
Is the address for your 2nd photo correct? I'm talking abou http://tinyurl.com/ce5nhf. I don't get a photo; I get a blog about the photo. First photo address is OK, though.
Diana @ 10:40
I was surprised both were wearing t-shirts in January.
Diana, thank you for your careful look at the photos of Palin and the video of the Ziegler interview. Yes, Palin is so calculating! She uses Trig, Piper, and Track for her own purposes--it seems she is having a harder time using Willow and Bristol--this bears thinking about. Palin did make some overtures with the Greta interview--by having Bristol be an "advocate" for--well, we're not quite sure. Alaska already has a very high rate of teen pregnancy, so there is no reason to single out Bristol....
And speaking of photos, look again at the Mercede photo in Star magazine--the one in which she is leaning over Tripp in the car seat. Where is she? Is there some xmas greenery behind her? Sorry, I don't know how to reproduce the image....
Dangerous, your rebuttal to Craig is right on (by his reasoning, any woman may be pregnant at any stage at any time, and he would not be able to tell just from looking...., absurd, yes). I agree with you that some aspects of the Bristol x2 are clouding the waters--I am reluctant to posit a much earlier birth for Trig, and a much later one for Tripp--as there are so many possibilities for the plans to go haywire and be exposed. But I do find Bristol the most plausible mother of Trig. So we are left, still scraping for evidence....
The ethics complaint against Palin is elaborated on the mudflats blog and immoral minority--with Palin's idiotic press release adding a touch of the surreal.
I had not paid attention to the IronDog and Todd's moment in the lights--the feature about him in Sports Illustrated (every guy's dream, I suppose???), but I followed a link provided by Luna to this article:
http://tinyurl.com/b9mlvk.
What is nauseating is how nonchalantly they gloss over the fact that Todd (6th place this year? I'm not impressed!) and his partner (who barely ever gets a mention!) have all this expensive equipment and cranes and winches to deliver it, while others use their pickup trucks--so, the support the Dud gets for his "hobby" is rather considerable.
Read the article, see the pictures of the two of them kitted out in their Arctic Cat gear, and weep. There are plenty of digs at democrats, urbanites, and people who live in mild climes...
trev,
Assume away. If it's so clear to you that Sarah claimed Track and not TriG, you should be able to convince ADN to ask Palin whom she counted as dependents.
Track should not be a dependent for IRS purposes. He turns 20 next month. He was 19 at the end of 2008, was not a full time student, had a full time salary from the US government, and should not have received more than half of his support from his parents.
Even if it were optional, the Palins are better off if Track files his own return. His tax rate on $21,000 should be lower than the marginal rate if that were added into the Palins' income and he were counted as a dependent.
Perhaps the Alaska disclosure definition is different from the IRS. You should be able to check the law. (I looked at the form's instructions but could not find "dependent" defined.) But I'm quite certain that Sarah is allowed to disclose Track's salary -- remember, a soldier son is a political plus -- and other income even if she didn't count him as a dependent on the form.
To Obamacon and SillyRabbit:
I share the disappointment. It was JUST another ethics violation. Nothing new for Sarah. I was anxiously hoping for the IRS.
I still believe babygate is what will finally take her off the stage for national politics.
Hee, my WV is "fights"
Craig and others: I don't quite remember where I read it (I believe it was in an ADN article)where SP said that 'she never showed much with this pregnancy', and giving that reason why she was able to fly that late in her pregnancy.
Except she forgot the staged photo she did with Gusty, where she looks VERY pregnant! (In that same article, one of the flight attendants was quoted that her 'stage of pregnancy was not visible'...)
In *MY* book, you can't have it both ways. Either you 'look' pregnant, as in Gusty's interview/video, or you don't.
Flight attendants would know if a woman came onto their flight, looking like SP supposedly did that evening with Gusty.
(posted 9:06am)
Dangerous;
I guess we will see. I've laid out why this whole scenario doesn't make intuitive sense to me. And its certainly not due to blinded celebrity!! I couldn't care less about her personally. She is an average politiican with some populist appeal. I've said several times that she has already hit her high-water mark as a national politician. She will NEVER achieve a presidential or vice-presidential nomination in the future. At best, she may be a senator. Her base support is too limited. Period. End of story.
It actually is possible for a rational person to have doubts about this whole theory, without being some kind of mindless Palinite. (frustration alert!!).
Until these collected pictures resonate with people in any wider of circle of (sympathetic) media and medical professionals, I will doubt that this specific circumstancial set of conclusions are likely.
If people want to equate the rejection of these pictures as similar to rejecting visual proof of a gorilla standing in one's backyard, so be it. So why not invite the media and some zooologists over to check out this odd occurance of a gorilla roaming free? Especially if the broader public seriously doubts that such a thing has happened.
They may say, "Holy Crap!!! It's a gorilla!" And the public becomes swayed.
It's just puzzling to me that people can be so incredulous that I don't see the definitive proof that they see in these pictures, yet this same evidence isn't promoted as such to the specific media influencers who would be inclined to want to believe it.
Pardon me if this has already been answered, but where was Bristol Palin
during the days leading up to and shortly after the birth of Trig?
LEGISLATIVE MUTINY
from ADN:
JUNEAU -- Top Alaska legislators said Tuesday they're likely to accept at least most of the federal economic stimulus money that Gov. Sarah Palin did not.
"I think at the end of the day we will end up taking most of the funds," said Anchorage Republican Rep. Mike Hawker, who is leading the House effort on the stimulus as co-chairman of the finance committee.
Senate Majority Leader Johnny Ellis agreed. "I would be surprised if we give up much or any of the federal money," the Anchorage Democrat said.
Palin announced last week she was not accepting $288 million of the $930.7 million that the state is due in the federal stimulus. Palin aides have said in the days since that the governor did not reject any money, leading some state legislators to charge the governor with backpedaling as a result of furor over the announcement.
The biggest chunk of money at issue is about $170 million for education. School district officials are mad, and Anchorage Democratic Rep. Harry Crawford said he doesn't expect legislators to withhold the money.
Craig is entitled to his opinion that the photographic evidence is not sufficient proof. That position requires, whoever, that any photos or stated opinions where SP looked pregnant are insufficient as proof of pregnancy as well.
MSM has shown an appalling lack of curiosity in the entire affair. ADN's editor stated that he 'knew' SP was Trig's mother, but refused to state his basis for that assertion. It comes back to 'because SP said so', which should hardly be enough for any reporter covering a public figure.
Until someone demands answers in a public forum from SP, and actual medical and insurance and school records are supplied, the indictment stands. The circumstances aren't that crazy or unusual, just like OJ and his murders. SP fits the profile of a woman who MIGHT choose to fake a pregnancy for rational reasons. It's only because we know her name that many people, including Craig and most MSM, seem to require iron-clad proof of the faking before they will report on it. And because it is so explosive and they didn't do their jobs in September, MSM and many others don't want to open their eyes at all.
For Craig, my point is that with this set of evidence, direct and circumstantial, if the woman's name was Harriet Somebody, you'd be convinced, as would MSM. If Craig or anyone else hasn't listened to the recording of SP's interview with Lisa Demer of ADN, you have to do so. After you do, attempt to answer this simple question regarding the wild ride:
"Was it urgent or not?"
SP can't answer that question. Neither can anyone else. There's no avoiding that evidence. Under cross-examination she would be forced to explain why her words and actions conflict. The only way to reconcile the confirmable facts and her own statements was that it was urgent, but not because she was in labor. NO OTHER WAY.
People have been convicted and sentenced to death because the physical and circumstantial evidence pointed to that conclusion, and they couldn't answer a simple question like that.
Someone is going to have to go public and challenge her entire story. I'm assuming none of our community's contributors have sufficient gravitas. As a group, we would be dismissed as lunatics. But there is a way.
SP's story is fiction. The way you defeat a fictitious story is with a better fiction. 'nuf said.
Dangerous
could not pass it up:
wv: SP ROUS
OK, so Bristol and Levi have broken up. Another reason for Bristol not to get married: won't she lose her (mom's) health insurance if she does? If neither she nor Levi is working, where would they get it? Would COBRA be in place? COBRA is a federal law that allows people to buy group insurance if they lose it for such reasons as job loss or divorce. I wonder if marriage of a dependent would also qualify one for coverage through COBRA? I suppose that would cover Bristol and child(ren), but probably not Levi, unless he now gets it through one of his parents and could likewise buy into that plan after losing it through marriage. I know young adults often shrug over the issue of health insurance, but if Bristol were to get pregnant again, and she's uninsured, she'll wish she had it. Have you checked out the cost of childbirth lately?
For someone who doesn't whine or complain, Sarah does an awful lot of whining and complaining. And there she goes again, blaming the media: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
"They may say, "Holy Crap!!! It's a gorilla!" And the public becomes swayed."
Or they may say,"it's just a gorilla. ALL politicians have gorillas." Or "Nobody cares about gorillas."
My husband manages to combine both these attitudes.
Actually, another possible response is, "her gorilla is her own business." This tends to come from the kind of person who doesn't have a problem with Palin dragging her gorillas onto the stage while insisting that they be private gorillas.
Dear Nickname,
According to the travel documents released by the State of Alaska, Bristol was busy helping (Bill McAllister? Meg Stapleton?), on April 18th. Both journalists worked for KTUU before going to work for the Gov. Here is the exact wording:
BRISTOL INTERVIEW ASSISTANCE /SET UP/W/KTUU WASILLA
"Set Up" What an appropriate term.
Most of us feel that she was Trig's mother, too. Or her sister Willow was.
But without a birth certificate produced FOR EITHER BABY -- even when asked for by the largest newspaper in the state -- , who the heck knows?
Re: Palin's disclosure for 2008
Trailblazer says Heather said Bristol worked at two coffee shops while living with her and pregnant with TriPP. Sarah discloses Bristol's income from only one shop.
Was it two locations of the same company?
Or did Palin fail to disclose all she was supposed to about Bristol?
Are we not supposed to learn the name of the other shop for some reason?
Or was Heather wrong or misquoted by Benet?
MORGAN, OT but here it goes:
recent comments by RICK JOYNER,
a leader of the RELIGIOUS RIGHT,
on our 'martyred' girl:
I spent a while this week talking to Sarah Palin on the phone … and trying to encourage her, tell her how much we appreciated the incredible campaign that she ran.
You know this lady really got beat up by the press and to me it was shocking the bias and how the other side would say the silliest things you could imagine and not even get a mention on it, and things Sarah Palin said was just taken out of context.
But in one sense that really encouraged me and it encouraged me that the democrats have their people up in Alaska right now watching her every move trying to find anything they can just hammer her on and make it out in a negative sense.
And they are obviously extremely threatened by her and I believe rightly so. I believe there’s a spiritual authority and calling on Governor Palin and it is extraordinary, and I told her in no uncertain terms that I appreciate her heart for Alaska - and she truly has a heart for Alaska, I mean she is just in love with her state and we should all be that way.
She wants to be the best governor she can and do the best job for the Alaskan people, and that is certainly wonderful but I believe she has a national calling on her life. I felt that when I first saw her on the television. When I was walking through the room I didn’t even know who she was, it was when John McCain was entering and using her as a running mate, but she was already speaking and I didn’t even know who she was but I felt right away I was listening to the president of the United States and it is just a strange feeling. I have prophetic feelings like that and they come true...
Punkinbugg said:
According to the travel documents released by the State of Alaska, Bristol was busy helping (Bill McAllister? Meg Stapleton?), on April 18th. Both journalists worked for KTUU before going to work for the Gov. Here is the exact wording:
BRISTOL INTERVIEW ASSISTANCE /SET UP/W/KTUU WASILLA
Thanks for bringing this to our attention again. This is why I feel that Bill McAllister is in on all or part of this deception. I also think that Mr. McAllister had something to do with that staged pregnant picture of Palin back on April 13, 2008 which is the only picture that shows a 'real' pregnant Palin.
Palin had to give ole Bill a job because he definitely knows too much. Also keep in mind that Bill is the one that stated that Palin told him in Feb. 2008 that the rumor about Bristol being pregnant was not true.
Palin continuing to complain about the MSM is just her way of trying to keep them away from babygate and other damaging gates. She is definitely playing the media. As long as she can play the victim, e the media will back off on controversial issues related to her.
MSM needs to allow this game to backfire on her and investigate babygate.
way of Peace: Thank you for the quote of Rick Joyner. This explains why the "conservatives" are so convinced that Celtic Diva is working for the DNC. They can't believe it is because people in Alaska are concerned about their governor's actions.
This also explains one reason why the pro-Palin forces are so emotional and dogmatic. They are trying to fulfill prophesy
Way of Peace,
No, your comment was not off topic.
While I don't want to bash anyone's faith, Sarah's followers are very scary people.
And this isn't about their being Christians; it's about their extremism and their Crusade Mentality. I still remember how shocked I was when I watched that video of her receiving the witch hunter. That's the point at which I went from thinking, "OK, this woman is an oddity," to thinking, "OK, this woman has to be stopped."
Fortunately, there are more level headed Christians than not and the ones I know are as turned off by Sarah as I am.
Karen - I have also been thinking about SP's statement that she didn't show much so it wasn't noticed when she boarded the plane. If the picture with Gusty was an accurate representation of the way SP appeared at all times after the Gusty interview how could her stage of pregnancy not have been apparent? Another thing is that most women in that advanced stage of pregnancy have to use the restroom quite often and the other passengers should have noticed a hugely pregnant woman going back and forth on that long flight. Maybe she has a super bladder to go along with her super mom image or did Sarah wear a very absorbent disposable diaper and go wee wee wee all the way home?
veebee and others who have made the point about airline crew not noticing her preg:
--the first thing to remember is SHE WAS NOT PREG and therefore could be any size she wanted to be in the plane.
--seoond, she might have made some kind of case (albeit weak, since it would be a lie) about showing very little. We all know that size varies. Not as small as in the first two photos here, but one can always make a case for "smaller than usual." But then,
--third, along comes this very large-preg photo. You wonder if it might be real. She and Gusty the reporter say it's real. We on this blog thought it might be real at one point. But when you look at the first two photos, and the calendar, you realize it can't be real, because no preg balloons that much in 6 weeks.
--So, fourth, we have the delicious irony (which no one seems to love as much as I do!) that if the SP gang had not created and released this fake-belly photo (the one on the right), they would have less 'splaining to do. It still would not be a tenable argument -- no matter how good the argument, the preg is fake, and no argument is ultimately going to prove good enough to trump that.
Morgan and Wayofpeace: I agree, definitely not off topic, and definitely not about religion.
But definitely about why she is so scary. Definitely about why she is being supported by enough high-level GOP folks to be their keynote speaker at their big fund-raiser. Why she was invited to Alfalfa.
And that is why she is so scary.
Dangerous said;
"ADN's editor stated that he 'knew' SP was Trig's mother, but refused to state his basis for that assertion."
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My thought is that Mr Dougherty, at some point, had an off-the-record exchange with Dr. Johnson who confirmed some details of trig's delivery. Sarah, in an e-mail, seemed to allude to Dougherty having talked to "her doctor" as the basis for Sarah saying that Dougherty knows that the conspiracy talk is false.
Why it had to stay off-the-record is a reasonable question. Perhaps it occurred well after Trig's birth, and Sarah didn't want to give anymore attention to the rumour-fueled conspiracy (or specifically to the "wild ride" aspect) by having a story pop up regarding it. But she agreed to let Dougherty have confirmation, even if it was only unofficially, so that he'd squelch any lingering stories.
Admittedly, a unconvincing rationale. But whatever the reason, I personally think Dougherty has had some form of conversation with Dr. Johnson.
Come on Craig!!
You assume that Mr. Dougherty relies on an unconfirmed conversation that may or may not have occurred with things that would be hearsay anyway and with someone who very well may have lied since they would have every reason to do so to protect a patient's confidentiality. PAHLEASE!!
I may have had a conversation with Lisa Demer where she confirmed that SP is NOT Trig's mother, but didn't want the basis for it on the record to protect her job.
That should be just as convincing as Mr. Dougherty's assertion that he 'knows' SP is Trig's mother.
How about Mr. Dougherty just thinks he knows and doesn't want to rock the boat with the governor of the state where he has to sell newspapers? Or perhaps he's just a weenie.
If there's any MSM villian in this, it is Mr. Pat Dougherty of the Anchorage Daily News, who has acted like anything but a journalist on this story and I think his motives are highly suspect. It's what they call "willful blindless", and his insults directed at us -- who have been doing his job -- are callous and simply a power play because he controls the megaphone.
Shame on you, Mr. Dougherty. If you've had any off-the-record conversations, say that you have information that confirms it the truth of the matter, but don't insult us, who haven't been privy to it. If you're wondering why the conclusion that SP faked it continues to thrive, it's because of YOU!!
Dangerous
Craig, re the ADN's editor stating that he 'knew' SP was Trig's mother, I think it's quite a stretch to assume he had off the record talks with CBJ, or in fact had any real evidence that she gave birth (which is quite different to simply being Trig's mom). I think it far more likely he was giving Sarah strokes, the same way someone might say, "I know you're not crazy..." when they privately think she's certifiable.
If you all think you can stand it, give a listen to Sarah's Lincoln Day Dinner speech. She sounds like someone who is majorly losing it, ranting on about the "media bias" that stole the election from her, the tabloids, the bloggers, all those evildoers who are filing ethics violations against her and costing her money, etc, etc. All the while she's talking--in the whiniest voice--she keeps making these weird, distorted faces. Normally she has that beauty queen smile plastered in place and it never slips. It's truly a bizarre performance. I understand many of the Republicans subjected to this 60 minute hate rant came away with the conclusion that she's unbalanced--which is really saying something, since so many of them seem to think she's a prophet sent by JC himself.
I think that all Gusty said about the big belly pic of Sarah was that it was a real picture and not the result of photoshopping. She made no statement as to whether Sarah was pregnant or dressed up to appear she was pregnant.
Dangerous said;
"...many people, including Craig and most MSM, seem to require iron-clad proof of the faking before they will report on it."
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My position has always been that if someone in a position to know something first-hand (like the Johnstons) comes out with some conflicting information, I will give it credibility. Sherry and Mercedes are already proven to have loose lips (not to mention motive).
Why does everyone insist on broadbrushing the MSM as ignoring this issue, when Andrew Sullivan, one of the biggest bloggers around, has already demonstrated his interest in agressively pursuing the Trig issue? If you put indisputable pictures into his hands, he would take them seriously.
Sarah does seem scary, because of her questionable ethics, along with high level charisma. Much like actors, she seems to have a presence that inspires others.
Bravo! Well said Dangerous! Thank you!
From everything I have read at ADN, they are complete pansies about anything to do with Sarah Palin. Kiss kiss kiss. They look like a junior high school newspaper that doesn't want to offend the school bully, or else!
It is time for the principal to expel the school bully! C’mon MSM, where the hell are you? ADN is incapable of this story - they appear to either be in Sarah’s pocket or in her church circle. No credibility. Partly because of ADN’s lack of backbone, this lunatic woman might have accidentally become the Vice President to a 72 year old man with 4 bouts of cancer. SHUDDER!
VeeBee’s comment reminded me of the female astronaut who drove non-stop from Houston to Florida wearing diapers in a scheme to apparently harm the girlfriend of her former lover. See, there really are strange people in this world. Sarah is one of them.
Haven't posted in a l o n g time but continue to read every day. Was wondering if anyone caught The View today (sorry..I know, inexcusable) but Sarah's pal Elisabeth was mentioning how men are so intimidated by pregnancy that she was flying recently and they just waved her through security because she whined about not wanting to take off her jacket. And we certainly know Sarah is not above whining!
LondonBridges, I stand corrected: Gusty said nothing about the real/fake-ness of the preg, only that it was a real shoot. You are right. And it makes sense that she would not have been told. And no need for SP to have told her. But the fact of those photos remains, and it is impossible to put these photos together and come up with any other explanation: NOT PREGNANT.
And about putting the photos into the hands of whomsoever in the MSM: they ARE in the hands of anyone who wants them: they are here, on the web. That's why they're on the web: available for anyone to review, dispute, use, whatever. Don't know how one could make anything MORE available.
And still, there seems to be no big-time news outlet that wants to comment on this. Take a stand. Consider it a problem in our almost-president's package of attributes, when those of us who have studied it are quite concerned about it.
Like the personal ob/gyn someone quizzed earlier, who didn't know or care about the issue until she knew, and then she cared -- was sure it was a hoax, just like most of us blogsters here do.
I just now looked at the headlines on the NYT, this minute. None of those headlines concern us as much (IMHO) as this blight upon our presidential election process -- in view of the terrifying combo of SP's views, ethics (exemplified by our issue here), charm, and massive GOP support. Scary indeed.
RACHEL and KEITH
just run bits of the video from
her recent speech:
SP looks and sounds like
she is imploding.
perhaps the lady will do the country a favor and self-destroy her political life, the little there was of it.
We've suggested names for Bristol's next child: Trey, Trio, etc. A commenter, 33Greeper, at HuffPo suggests Falll, so Palin could introduce her (acknowledged) grandchildren as Tripp and Falll.
Could Palin be screwing up in so many ways these days just to distract people from babygate? Ha!
Dangerous, midnightcajun, Prochoicegrandma--thanks for the reminders about the MSM and the lack of any initiative on their part with regard to the fake pregnancy story.
While I am mostly in agreement with Dangerous on this one, to view it from the other side, that of the ADN, I think another motive for going easy on the Trig story is because it involves children and babies. What faking a pregnancy says about Palin the politician is pretty bad, but what is says about her as a mother is unbelievable. We really don't need Palin's skewed view of the world.
On another note, I saw on Celtic Diva's Blue Oasis blog that she has already suffered recriminations for filing her ethics complaint about Palin (Celtic Diva did it on Tuesday!). Palin probably could shut down the Anchorage Daily News. But surely if she tried to do this, it would ultimately harm her.
Wow...GINO just appointed an attorney general who was once her attorney in a former case. And she say the legislators were not telling the truth. Big day at Mudflats...
Karen said:
"In *MY* book, you can't have it both ways. Either you 'look' pregnant, as in Gusty's interview/video, or you don't.
Flight attendants would know if a woman came onto their flight, looking like SP supposedly did that evening with Gusty."
Spot on. This is a very important discrepancy.
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And Dangerous said"
"And because it is so explosive and they didn't do their jobs in September, MSM and many others don't want to open their eyes at all."
An interesting point. They missed the boat at the right time; perhaps they were muzzled, perhaps even Obama wanted them muzzled, but what excuse do they have no to suddenly open it? Maybe they need a reason to make it "okay" to investigate this case.
WV: needis
As in, What they needis a reason.
OT but I was thinking of the wild ride the other night while watching the world figure skating championships. A French skater, now skating for Italy, has a wife who is his choreographer. She couldn't fly with him to Los Angeles because she's due to have a baby in June. Guess she's not as tough as Sarah!
minightcajun: re "I understand many of the Republicans subjected to this 60 minute hate rant came away with the conclusion that she's unbalanced-"
Where did you get this impression? Link(s)?
Amy1,
My problems with the TriPP born early January theory:
Not far off enough from the December due date to justify extreme step of making up a 12/27 birth date. Could have just waited.
Not far off enough from 12/27 to have mandated hiding him from all view for more than another month.
Gryphen's mid-Feb. photo of a very recently post-partum Bristol.
October WalMart photo showing Bristol looking second, not third, trimester.
I'm still not convinced on your TriG born in February possibility:
Not sure Bristol & Levi were dating by spring '07, if Levi is TriG's dad.
I don't think in April and May TriG looked like a baby several months old, as he would if due and not premature in February.
Bristol would be 7 months pregnant by the time she left Wasilla High at mid-year. There would be more than rumors about her being pregnant. Wasilla would KNOW.
Now . . . we've shown to our satisfaction that Sarah didn't have TriG. Proving Bristol or someone else had him would help. (See Audrey's new post.) The final thing that should convince the media would be a subjectively if not objectively reasonable motive -- something Sarah thought reasonable -- for a sitting Governor to risk faking a pregnancy.
We know the MSM would rather attack a politician for being inept than for her personal life. Sarah is providing lots of fodder for "legitimate" articles about her. This also reassures those in the MSM, like Alex's friend, who feel she is toast and not worth a baby story. When Palin's gaffes die down, a tabloid may step up.
I saw the clip last night of Palin whining that before the VP debate she couldn't find anyone in the McCain campaign to hold her hand and pray with her. Maybe they were afraid she would cast off witches into them through held hands. Maybe they were afriad they'd have to count their fingers afterward. More likely it was just that they had nothing to offer her, that at that point in the campaign (and partly thanks to her), they knew they didn't *have* a prayer.
B, in re. of the prayer before the debate: SP was the one who did not think any of those were 'worthy' of praying with her! (""but nobody I could find that I wanted to hold hands with and pray." (emphasis mine))
I think this last weeks events show that SP is very close to cracking. She cannot take the heat, but she is too vain to get out of the kitchen. So, she surrounds herself with bubbles, hoping that those bubbles will be able to act like a teflon shield. Now she has appointed an AG that used to be her personal lawyer (he has to be confirmed by the legislature, though), and she is publishing outright lies, enraging even her supporters in the leg. ...
Amy1, I've read several articles, but here's one i found easily:
http://www.thealaskastandard.com/?q=content/anchorage-lincoln-dinner-gov-palin-calls-us-out
read the comments in particular, since they're also written by Republicans
Karen, thanks for correcting me. Palin's comment was even more offensive than I first thought.
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