Wednesday, April 8, 2009

My Space Part 2

I need to provide a quick update. This week, National Enquirer ran an article about a former boyfriend of Bristol Palin's, and named him. Several other teens involved in this story have also been named in national media. We have reconsidered our decision NOT to "name names." We are using teens' real names in our posts. However, we are not using any last names, nor are we linking to the actual MySpace pages.

Please note that at the end of this post, there is a .pdf attachment which contains screen shots of the comments used in this post as well as the documentation that we used to prove that the redacted MySpace account that we have identifed as Bristol's was in fact hers.

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What ARE the most critical points learned from our extensive MySpace analysis?

1. Bristol Palin began dating beginning when she was 15 or 16. There are strong indications that she was sexually active. Statements that were made to the press (including one from Levi himself) during the campaign that Levi and Bristol had dated for three years or "since freshman year" are no where borne out according to MySpace. If they had dated for three years as of September, 2008, that would have meant their relationship went back to September 2005. In fact, there is no evidence at all that Bristol and Levi dated prior to June 2007. This appears to be a complete fabrication, designed to show the young couple as stable and committed, when in fact they were neither.

2. In the spring of 2007, when Bristol would have been 16 ½ years old, Sarah Palin overheard a telephone conversation between Bristol and a young man named Johnny. Johnny is someone who appears to have been a very good friend -- Bristol commented to him frequently (and usually innocuously) during the time she was in Juneau, often signing her name with a heart. Johnny has been identified multiple places (including just this week in National Enquirer) as Bristol Palin’s boyfriend prior to Levi.

On this occasion, the phone conversation between Johnny and Bristol that Gov. Palin overheard led her to confront Bristol about whether or not she was pregnant. Even if Bristol was NOT pregnant at that time, it surely had to indicate that Gov. Palin suspected her daughter was sexually active. This would make her purported “surprise” at the news Bristol WAS allegedly pregnant with Tripp (a full year later) disingenuous at best.

5/14/2007 Bristol to Johnny:
ha ha, my mom was asking me who I was on the phone with last night, and she said she heard everything I was saying.. now she thinks im pregnant…ahaha call me later if you'd like


Then there was these further exchanges between Bristol and Johnny.

5/17/2007 Bristol to Johnny:
haha, sorry I still had my phone taken away, but I got it back today, so you can call whenever (heart)

5/20/2007 Bristol to Johnny:
if you don’t call me tonight im gonna freak out.

5/27/2007 Bristol to Johnny:
I waited for you to call me last night.


It’s also very interesting to note that these three comments all come within days of the phone call that Palin overheard which led her to wonder if Bristol was pregnant.

Levi Johnston and Johnny were close friends. The National Enquirer mentions this. In their article, they claim that “Levi and Johnny had a big blowup during their sophomore year in high school when Levi and Bristol hooked up while she was still with Johnny.” Our research actually shows something a bit different.

First, there is no indication that anything started between Levi and Bristol “during their sophomore year.” During the second half of Bristol’s sophomore year, she was attending Juneau-Douglas High School in Juneau, and, as late as May 20th (after school ended) she was sending notes to Johnny along the lines of what was quoted above: “If you don’t call me tonight I will freak out.” However, there is some indication that Bristol and Levi began dating in June of that year. Bristol makes one comment to Levi that makes it clear that Levi had left clothing at Bristol’s house. Hmmm. Perhaps they were swimming.

However, more interesting, several comments indicate that while there was a grudge between Levi and Johnny, it was Levi that held the grudge as recently as May of 2008, not the other way around, which should have been the case if Bristol had dumped Johnny FOR Levi. We have several comments between Johnny and Mercede Johnston which makes it sound as if Mercede is trying to patch things up between her brother and Johnny. Johnny is obviously hoping there will be a reconciliation from the tone of the comments. Why there was a grudge that persisted until May of last year, and why Levi seems to be the angry one is completely unclear.

3. Levi Johnston had multiple girlfriends from 2005 on, including one long time serious (though “on again – off again”) relationship with a girl named Lanesia. She later expressed great unhappiness over Levi's loss.

Levi was not a lonely lad. He appears to have "dated" at least five girls, not counting Bristol Palin, from this group alone. Indications are that he was regarded as somewhat of a catch.

One comment indicates that Levi was "messing with" two girls (neither was Bristol Palin) simultaneously on one occasion. One of the girls involved denied the accusation categorically, but the fact that the accusation was made at all (and by girls who knew Levi very well) indicates that they considered it a possibility.

It is not clear from the MySpace comments when Bristol and Levi's relationship began, but it seems to be June of 2007. Lanesia was claiming in May 2007 that she and Levi were back together (and Bristol was not in Wasilla for most of late winter and spring of 2007).

There was discussion in September 2007 between two friends of Lanesia, (Kaila and Jenny Jo,) claiming that Jenny Jo at some point in the past, had planned to beat Bristol up for Lanesia. This comment, interestingly, is the ONLY comment that is visible on MySpace dated after June of 2007 that either is from Bristol Palin or mentions her by name. My speculation is that, when MySpace was "scrubbed," this comment was overlooked somehow.

9/28/2007 Kaila to Jenny Jo:
haha, you were gonna fight Bristol for Lanesia.. idk, it was freakin hilarious though. you were getttin ready to take on like 394083 people yourself. haha..funny ass shit. call me tonight bia.


4. In the interview that Greta Van Susteren did with Bristol Palin on February 17, 2009, Bristol told Ms. Susteren that she did not know any other girls who had been pregnant or had babies. This is totally false and seems like a pointless lie. Numerous girls in Bristol's circle at Wasilla had already had babies.

5. Track Palin (whose has been accused of being no slacker in the party department himself) became so worried about his sister's behavior (though the exact details are not clear) at one point that he actually "outed" her to their parents, calling her a "stoner."

4/18/2007 Bristol to Johnny
tracks little bitch ass decited to tell my parents im a stoner..hes so tight..and when I get home, im gonna kick him in the balls.


6. Levi Johnston had another MySpace account (which has also been removed) and which he did use, which was different from the one that has received so much publicity. (The one on which he claimed he was a f***ing redneck and did not want children.)

However, possibly the most critical thing the MySpace analysis shows is what's NOT there. Prior to August 29, 2008 most of Bristol Palin's presence on MySpace was deliberately removed, and the "scrubbing" appears to go back, not to spring of 2008, which would have been when Bristol's pregnancy with Tripp should have commenced (and there may well have been “chatter” that the McCain campaign did not want made public), but into the summer of 2007, a full year earlier. The last comment made from the account we know to have been Bristol's came in June 2007. Going back into 2006, Bristol used MySpace frequently, commenting often on friends' pages, in a couple of cases as many as three short and quick comments in one day. What's left from spring 2007 shows that Bristol was unhappy in Juneau and liked using MySpace to keep in contact with her Wasilla friends. Levi Johnston does not appear to have been a heavy MySpace user, but he definitely had a separate account, different from the one that contained the well-publicized comment that he did not want children – and that account is also now gone.

As has been said earlier, it's hard to recreate what was scrubbed after the fact. What's left from after June of 2007 are:
1. No comments at all from Bristol dated after June 25, 2007.
2. No MySpace page from Bristol, and the page that Levi Johnston actually seemed to use is also gone.
3. One sole comment that mentions Bristol Palin by name.
4. A few cryptic comments that we believe may refer to Bristol Palin. In one, the initials bp are used. In another, there is reference to "the governor's kid." In a third, a comment that we believe refers to Bristol talks about "you know who."

And what was Bristol's last known comment to any friend? On June 25, 2007 she wrote:

ha ha im a slut. but sounds good...what number?


bristolfinalpdf.pdf

Coming soon: What does MySpace say specifically about whether or not Bristol Palin might have been pregnant in 2007-2008?

237 comments:

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Mary G. said...

So much for family values. Or else maybe what people think of as family values need re-adjusting.
I see from CBS that Levi is considering a career as a model or actor. Cool. I have a suggestion:
HighSchool Musical--On Ice!

ravenstrick said...

What was it Mercede was overheard saying, something about when she found out she was pregnant she wished it wasn't his?

Paging Johnny!

Alex said...

Guess yall know that Gawker linked to you today in their coverage of Levi's 2009 Media Tour:

Palin's Deception, a blog dedicated to proving that Trig Palin is not Sarah Palin's baby, raises an interesting point with a photo of Sarah Palin and Mercede Johnston in the Palin's kitchen.

(Not exactly MSM, or maybe it is in the New World Journalistic Order. Gawker is possibly one of the most popular (and powerful) "news" sites on web. Which may explain why it took forever for your site to load just now.)

luna1580 said...

i have one question: other than deleting entire accounts, how is it possible to "scrub" myspace?

i don't think that someone who isn't me could go to my page right now and delete other people's old comments to me, unless they had gained/guessed my password and signed in as me -aka hacked my account.

are you suggesting that someone did this to basically all of the accounts of all the kids in bristol/levi's circles of friends?

the only other thing that i think someone could do would be to alert the myspace service itself that an account was suspected of being fraudulent or breaking some rule related to spam or solicitation. this could result in an account being frozen of deleted by the company, not the user. but i doubt they would flippantly delete all these kid's accounts unless something actually appeared to be wrong with them.

or are you suggesting that the mccain campaign pressured all these kids to delete bristol-related comments voluntarily and they all did so without any of them mentioning it to any media outlet or their parents?

just wondering.

Audrey said...

Luna, thanks for the good question. I will pass it on to one of my helpers who are the real MySpace gurus and we will get you a specific answer on how this happens.

Audrey

B said...

By June 2007, Bristol was sexually active and was dating Levi. They could be TriG's parents.

I am sorry for Sarah (and Bristol) that Bristol became a wild child in high school.

B said...

Olbermann says Palin will host a fund raiser for Murkowski, so Palin won't be running for Senate.

NakedTruth said...

I know that these are young people and I did some crazy stuff as a teenager myself, not as crazy as getting pregnant but I had my rebellious moments. But I have always felt that Bristol had a sadness about her that expressed low self-esteem. Not the low self-esteem as it relates to looks but she just appears to me to a person who needs attention. I could see her sleeping around.

Also, in her interview with Greta she was just too adamant about abstinence not being realistic. It was almost like she was really saying 'It's not realistic for me because I love sex and I am not going to abstain.'

I agree with B, it is possible that she could have gotten pregnant by Levi in June 07 or who's to say that she wasn't still messing around with Johnny and maybe someone else. She maynot be sure about Trig's dad but poor Levi seems to think that Trig belongs to him.

Silver said...

Thank you for your hard work and dedication. All of you.

Looking at the screenshots...

There are only so many words a girl or boy can say that would lead their parents to believe they were sexually active.

Since I doubt the crew know all of the vague euphemisms (i.e. "roll in the hay"), it must have been pretty direct.

muah said...

luna1580 said... i have one question: other than deleting entire accounts, how is it possible to "scrub" myspace?

I don't know what explanation MySpace will give. I have seen some far out things happen when people have the power.

"The 82nd Airborne Division in Afghanistan shuttered the pages on Friday. The Pentagon managed to immediately cleanse all evidence of the MySpace pages, including whatever copies and cached versions were kept by Google and the Internet Archive."
http://tiny.cc/cretin48

It happens if you have the connections.
http://tiny.cc/oa6ic

luna1580 said...

muah-

i somehow doubt the mccain campaign had that kind of power. but if it did, i doubt they would have used it on palin -they knew she was a lost cause as soon as they really started vetting her.

the problem was the vetting happened after they announced her as the pick.

Ivyfree said...

Dish! At last- major dish! Thank you! :::rereading absorbedly:::

Mary G. said...

A confession: at first the Myspace material shocked me (not just from this group; but the whole phenomenon). But now I see in it a lot of teen gossip and exploration. Much of it shows poor judgment (and boy am I glad there were no recording devices or networking sites around when I was this age!)
A more productive discussion about pregnancy (especially teen pregnancy) could come out of this. Palin is making a huge mistake creating so much animosity between her family and the Johnstons. It is sickening. Grandparents are so important in the teen pregnancy universe. Bristol and Levi still need to grow up, and they need a lot of support, as does their child. All the grandparents will be needed to ease the transition for everyone. My goodness! Sherry J. was saying on Tyra that she was hoping to watch her grandchild three days a week! How marvelous! Even if the highschool has a daycare (and many do), this would allow Bristol and Levi time to do homework, have a part-time job, go out with friends... And it strengthens the ties of all the family members, even if Tripp's parents never marry. They should remain friends.
Where did Palin say they "grow good people"???

More Cowbell said...

"other than deleting entire accounts, how is it possible to "scrub" myspace?"

I'm not a user but the myspace website has this in its terms of use:

"MySpace may reject, refuse to post or delete any Content for any or no reason, including Content that in the sole judgment of MySpace violates this Agreement or which may be offensive, illegal or violate the rights of any person or entity, or harm or threaten the safety of any person or entity."

I'd imagine that after she was nominated, Sarah Palin might have been able to persuade someone that anything about her kids could potentially threaten their safety. It seems pretty shady to me but then so does most of the stuff she does.

http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=misc.terms

Fauve said...

As someone who works in "the business", I can assure you that wiping of "unwanted" information can occur on ANY website. Who knows whether the wiping was done by MySpace administrators ("requested" by "someone") or whether a campaign operative with hacking knowledge did it. And no, they wouldn't have just told the kids to do it. The wipe was done by someone who knew what they were doing. The few comments that were left were undoubtedly missed by the parameters the do-er(s) used.

Poor Sarah ... her web of lies is coming undone. Photographic evidence is there that she was NOT pregnant in spring 2008 ... and she's got some "once future in-laws" with lots of knowledge and a bone to pick. She figured she had the upper hand, but she thought that with the same brain who brought you "turkey-gate", you betcha.

As I've posted before, I doubt she's done anything that she'll be pulled into court about. But she's definitely not Trig's bio mom, and her household is a mess ... and she's towing a huge truckload of lie after lie. What a self-deluded twit. No wonder even McCain won't stand with her anymore.

Aussie said...

Thank you Audrey and everyone associated with these revelations. They really are GOLD! I think everyone here should realise that we are talking about powerful connections who can do all sorts of things that you or I would never be able to do - just as MUAH noted above. Thank you again for your hard work, as you say it is not so much what is said, but what has been taken away.

Matt said...

Thanks Audrey! Your post was informative and I can't wait for the next installment.

midnightcajun said...

Does anyone know if Levi is left-handed? Is Bristol right-handed? I ask because one can tell a lot about a speaker's truthfulness if one knows.

Diana said...

Muah, your link to the article about Dr. Laura's son should be the perfect learning tool for Sarah.

For anyone reading it dates back to May 2007 in case you might think it is a current story. But it is a mirror to Sarah of her own future if she continues this manipulative and focused need to be right regardless of the consequences.

When you are a mom who is angry, arrogant and a religious zealot....and have kids who are watching what you say and do....this is who you raise them to become!

http://tiny.cc/cretin48

ProChoiceGrandma said...

I am amazed at the incredible incompetence - the National Enquirer has the lowdown about Bristol’s new old boyfriend, Johnny, the boyfriend JUST before (or at the same time?) as Levi in May 2007, but they show a picture of Willow holding Trig!

http://tiny.cc/qWnhC

Levi, take a hint, you may have been duped into believing Trig was your baby and thinking you did the right thing by giving him up to Sarah so she could pull her deception on all of U.S.

Demand DNA for both babies. Now.

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

This is all so interesting again! :)

Truthseeker2 said...

I think the sequence of comments from Bristol to Kaila in late June bears highlighting:
6/22/2007 Bristol to Kaila Hey, call me NOW!!
6/25/2007 1:33 Bristol Kaila :( now im a mother duck for that baby!
6/25/2007 1:50 Bristol Kaila ha ha im a slut. but sounds good...what number?

Martyrion said...

Loose lips sink ships! The USS Palin is foundering! Abandon ship! Abandon ship!

Kat said...

Audrey,

Great article by Andrew Sullivan at: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/the-johnstonpalin-war.html

The greatest thing about the story was the last paragraph - below the videos. He said:

"For some reason, Mercede also provided one photograph of Levi apparently tenderly cradling a baby that looks a great deal like Trig, the offspring of his girlfriend's mother, for the Tyra Banks show appearance. If I were Sarah Palin, I'd wind down this family spat as soon as possible, wouldn't you?"

Scarah - the World is Watching and catching on. :)

Keep up the good work! Thanks to you and all your researchers!!

lexky said...

ive always wondered how you get an entire town to not talk to the media. do the kids in this town not use myspace or are they just set to private? what about facebook? there has to be people in that townwho do not fear her and who would spill the beans. when was the last time you got a group of teenagers to agree and, well behave i guess is the best way to put it.

B said...

The Johnstons are more believable than the Palins. (Even Heather sought out Syrin to lie about Bristol's pregnancy shortly before the RNC.) Honesty is a virtue.

Other than her lies, however many there turn out to be, Bristol is no more tarnished than Levi and Sadie. We've seen pictures of their underage drinking and partying. Sadie's had run-ins with the law, as has her mother.

Levi is just as blameworthy for irresponsible sex as is Bristol.

Mary G. said...

After the recent spate of Johnston interviews, tabloid accounts, and the National Enquirer "exclusive"--with the wrong photo and with info that the research team and anyone who kept track of Myspace last summer/fall had for months!!--but anyway, lots of information is emerging that definitively tarnishes Palin's soft-focus account of family life. I mean, we understand why religions promoted a mystified view of making and having babies in the Virgin Birth account. But Palin has stepped in with a sanitized version of teen pregnancy that only a pope or prominent evangelical superstar minister could embrace!
And she got her own daughter to go on board spouting a host of untruths on national television--the Johnston and Palin families were clearly on the outs long before the Greta Van Susteren interview. So, instead of announcing angels we have hollywood plot lines (crying on the sofa) and two parents who are ideal and hands-on--but at the same time, hands-off. How dare anyone utter the sex word!
Palin had better pull herself together. There is no good reason to fake a pregnancy and to obscure the facts of life. There is every reason to have humane answers and a forgiving attitude toward people's failings. Face the truth, tell the truth, and move on.

BG said...

i, for one, find this myspace circumstantial evidence pretty damning. i was never too sure about the whole "trig came earlier than april" thing but if the myspace postings by bristol indicate, as they possibly do, that she was dealing with some very unpleasant, unexpected news in may or june, this is a very real possibility. she may have very well been at the feb. 15 aha dinner, not pregnant. so, i don't know that we're any closer to knowing for sure but..wow, we're getting there.

Mary G. said...

I just made a lengthy comment, but I forgot to add: I find it frustrating that people keep equating safe sex and contraceptive use! They are not the same thing! One can practice contraception and still be unsafe and spread std.s (not every contraceptive device prevents these). (And never mind the "unsafe" practices included in abusive forms of sexuality--violence, etc.) One can be responsible and monogamistic --i.e., "safe"--but not necessarily prevent pregnancy.
Both practices should be used, particularly by "curious" teens and young adults!
This has been a public service announcement! (Tyra, I hope you're listening!)

CupofNoodles said...

A little info on Myspace. As I have a teenager who I heavily spy on...LOL I know alot about myspace.

If you post a comment on anothers myspace you have the ability to delete any comment that you yourself posted on anyone elses pages. So all they would have to do is login in to Bristols and Levis accounts and find the comments they posted and delete them, then delete their own accounts.

Also so much is not on myspace, kids know that parents might see it. If one parent in a group has access then they have access to all the friends info as well. So kids keep alot of stuff off of myspace. I wouldn't put too much stock in what you don't see on myspace. Plus kids often take breaks from myspace. They go through their phases where they use it everyday and then stop using it for months. So its not a good judge of what is really happening at any given moment in a teens life.

Plus myspace does have some private features, like email and bulletins that are not on a public page, so only the user can see it. A response to a comment may be given in an email, which happens often, but mostly kids keep the good stuff out of the comments section.

Some kids can hide their comments on their public page as well, but their is a way around that also...I know I'm bad, my poor kid.

B said...

Mary G. said,
"There is no good reason to fake a pregnancy and to obscure the facts of life. There is every reason to have humane answers and a forgiving attitude toward people's failings. Face the truth, tell the truth, and move on."

Amen.

B said...

lexky said,
"ive always wondered how you get an entire town to not talk to the media."

One of the true mysteries about the Palin deception story, along with why Palin faked pregnancy rather than just adopting the baby.

Patrick said...

The selection of the myspace-screenshots is now ready for download! And you should not miss it...!

Audrey will include a download-link in her blogpost, but in case that we get a bandwidth-problem due to a high number of downloads, here is another link for the download:

http://www.box.net/shared/4hbkeebuu4

Enjoy! :-)

Patrick (PD research)

ProChoiceGrandma said...

I believe it has been mentioned here before, but News Corp. owns MySpace, and of course, Rupert Murdoch owns News Corp., which also owns Faux Noise. And you KNOW Sarah has tight connections with ALL them folks! Rupert Murdoch is just another old white male whose drooling tongue drags on the floor at the sight or mention of Sarah Palin. (Aaack, hairball in throat moment) Who would be better able to scrub all those MySpace pages than … (hold your breath in anticipation…) MySpace itself? And would all those teens even know that their MySpace pages were INTENTIONALLY scrubbed, or would they just assume it was a glitch in the program? I would be curious to ask any of those teens if they even thought anything about it when their pages disappeared. Teens are teens - I cannot believe they would ALL cooperate en banc AND simultaneously scrub their comments.

Oww, my eyes hurt from all that reading! How excruciating this must have been for the PD team! I am truly, truly impressed. This was soooooo worth the wait! ;-) Now I am going to go read it all again.

B said...

Who wiped the Johnstons' computers?

Why were their photos before fall 2008 so dangerous?

More and more things connect Levi to TriG. I hope Sherry keeps talking after her trial.

B said...

If TriG's dad were Johnny, would that be any more scandalous than if Levi, any more reason for Sarah to fake pregnancy? He's no older.

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

@ ProChoiceGrandma at April 8, 2009 11:30 PM

Your tiny link didn't work; is there another possibility of posting it please

Jen said...

I've been thinking that if SP took Trig as her own for insurance purposes, I can respect that and would HATE for that to get messed up. But in the end, it will have been SP's fault for putting ambition before family. She really put country first.

Great work on the MySpace stuff.

Jennifer

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Dipsydoodlenoodle, I was able to connect the tiny link that I posted at 11:30 pm
http://tiny.cc/qWnhC

But here is the address:
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/bristol_palin_new_man_levi_jonston_tyra_banks_govsarah_palin/celebrity/66470


I just have to pass this on, thought it was very funny:
“The woman who wants us to put her in charge of finding Bin Laden can’t find her daughter’s boyfriend living inside her house for two months.”

ravenstrick said...

Just a note on what the teens involved may or may not have noticed happening to their pages.

When new comments are added, old ones are pushed down and eventually off the page. You have to page back to see them. So, comments from 2007 most likely would have been long "out of sight, out of mind" for the page owners and they wouldn't have noticed any changes.

Morgan said...

That's exactly right, Ravenstrick. Only a dozen or so of the most current comments are visible at the time. If someone went back and removed the comments from the incriminating time periods then the kids would likely have never even noticed.

Punkinbugg said...

Keep it up, Cupofnoodles.

Teens who know that their parents are watching and CARING what they do will help them make wise choices.

ravenstrick said...

Okay, here goes --

For a long time I've felt that the Bristol/Levi relationship was more than encouraged by Gov Palin. I think she may have turned a blind eye to a lot of what was going on because she approved. He describes their relationship as 'great' and her as treating him 'like a mom' before her lost election.

I think Levi is just the sort of boy Sarah Heath would have had a crush on in high school. I think in some ways she was living vicariously through her daughter.

Tully said...

Seeing some of the stuff that's on the public pages, one wonders what they could possibly want kept private. Scary. And sad.

denise said...

I think the comment made by Bristol about her mum thinking she was pregnant was just the kind of bravado, sarcastic and overly dramatic thing a teenager would say - esp if you have very strict or conservative parents, like "god, I only LOOKED at someone of the opposite sex and she thinks I'm pregnant".

BTW - the best part of the Tyra / Levi interview when she asked him what he first saw in Bristol and he says it was because she's a "very intelligent lady"...... No comment.

Kathleen said...

Interesting view from Gawker.

http://gawker.com/5205326/bristol-palins-myspace-file

nickname said...

Has anyone ever reported actually seeing BRISTOL looking pregnant just prior to Trig's birth?

Is there any known evidence of any of her friends having known that she was pregnant (with Trig)?

Is there any known evidence that any of LEVI's friends knew or suspected that he had impregnated BRISTOL (with
Trig)?

Would you normally expect that if anyone DID know or strongly suspect
that BRISTOL was pregnant with
Trig that they would have talked about it and or commented about it on the Net or elsewhere in e-mails?

Doubting Thomas said...

Has anyone else seen this?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21046.html
Is the defense fund set up by Free American Citizen a fraud?

You betcha!

ravenstrick said...

Andrew Sullivan today sites a "conservative" writer who defends the Palins by accusing the Johnstons of...incest.

Yup, you read that right. These people will stop at nothing in defense of their queen.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/04/the-palins-the-johnstons-and-republican-class-politics.html

jeanie said...

Just checked out the article by John Cook on Gawker - dated today - and it does refer to Palin's Deceptions - but only careful readers of both will realize that entire paragraphs should be attributed to Audrey. I'm a little annoyed on Audrey's behalf that the article doesn't make it clear that it's essentially repeating much of Audrey's analysis verbatim, when in fact they are! Grr! Or maybe it's just good publicity. They've had 10,000+ hits, and in the two times within 5 minutes that I've refreshed the page, the number has gone up by 200.

muah said...

nickname said... Has anyone ever reported actually seeing BRISTOL looking pregnant just prior to Trig's birth?

Uncertain as far as I know. A Wasilla caterer is mentioned and disputed as to having seen her.
For some reason this is ignored. It is hard to understand the timing.
From Celtic Diva
http://divasblueoasis.com/diary/508/the-method-didnt-work-out
excerpts:
By the time Heather showed up denying everything, I personally had seen a very pregnant Bristol a couple of times, so their denial was for naught.
What is fact now: Bristol became pregnant while living with Aunt Heather in Anchorage. We hear that when Bristol moved back to Wasilla, which was sometime just before she became pregnant, Bristol and Levi where given a room to share in the Palin home.

jeanie said...

Just checked out the MySpace pages. It made my eyes very tired! Is it easier to read in the downloaded form? I just previewed it, as I'm not on my own computer at the moment. Also, thanks (again!) to the research team for wading through this.

I did notice, though maybe this has been mentioned before, that the Nordstrom's job was a barista job. Just what Bristol was supposedly doing after having learned she was pregnant (with Tripp, according to Palinites) but that was actually in summer of 2007. More of the 'let's just move everything that happened with Bristol's pregnancy with Trig up a year and say it happened during her pregnancy with Tripp' strategy, I guess.

muah said...

Snowbilly Meltdown
http://tiny.cc/p2rd8
They are asking - WTF, Levi Johnston/Baby Pics Shown On TeeVee Are Actually Pics of Levi Holding Sarah Palin’s Supposed Baby Trig?

Adam Sank said...

Just came across your blog for the first time, courtesy of Gawker. I must say, I am hooked. While I'm not a conspiracy theorist, I have never been able to fathom the circumstances surrounding Sarah Palin's labor and delivery of Trig -- how she could waited to deliver the speech, gotten on two airplanes, etc.

After reading back through a number of your posts, I'm blown away by the quality of your journalism. Keep up the good work!

birdwatcher said...

Can someone please explain to me what possible reason would any of the Johnsons have at this point to deny Levi's paternity of Trigg? I don't get it. He seems like he is genuinely attached to Tripp, and all in all not a bad kid. Why would Shellie, Mercede or Levi deny the paternity? What does SP have on them to keep them at bay with this? And what about that one woman who seemingly has known SP for years, trashed her in a long post, but stands by SP being the mother of Trigg. I don't get it. Someone please 'splain me...

NoMore said...

I just glanced through the myspace screen shots. Quite 'interesting', to say the least! :/

My question: If all those accounts got scrubbed by whoever-the-force-be, what was the reaction of the kids involved? I mean, if something like this happened to me, and then I found out the same happened to my friends, I could imagine there would be at least a SMALL rumbling out there!

Rationalist said...

birdwatcher said:

"Can someone please explain to me what possible reason would any of the Johnsons have at this point to deny Levi's paternity of Trigg? I don't get it. He seems like he is genuinely attached to Tripp, and all in all not a bad kid. Why would Shellie, Mercede or Levi deny the paternity? What does SP have on them to keep them at bay with this? And what about that one woman who seemingly has known SP for years, trashed her in a long post, but stands by SP being the mother of Trigg. I don't get it. Someone please 'splain me..."

That's a good question. Sherrie has pending drug charges - that's one plausible reason. Other possibilities: they really are appearing on these shows only because they want to see Tripp. They truly like Sarah and have always considered her a good person and part of their family. They are scared of Sarah. It's a good question.

You'll notice that the only hothead in the bunch seems to be Mercede - more catty, more quick to escalate a fight - like some teenage girls. Levi and Sherrie seem pretty calm.

It makes me sad to see them called gold-digging. I truly don't get that feeling at all. They are asking to see the kid. As to Levi's "acting and modeling": come on. He appeared on international television. He's handsome and pretty charismatic, in a monosyllabic Heath Ledger-as-Ennis (without the gayness) kind of way. Someone approached him and said he should do some acting or modeling and now he's thinking maybe he should.

Ocean said...

"Can someone please explain to me what possible reason would any of the Johnsons have at this point to deny Levi's paternity of Trigg?"

If Palin adopted Trigg (she would need to legally adopt Trigg to cover his medical expenses), Levi signed away all legal claims to the child. He may also have signed a confidentiality agreement at the close of the private adoption.

Palin probably would deny Levi and his family any further visitation with Trigg if he goes public with the information about Trigg's birth.

ravenstrick said...

birdwatcher,

It may as simple as Levi having signed the papers necessary for a 'closed' adoption.

He would be prevented, by law, from disclosing the relationship.

midnightcajun said...

nickname asked, "Has anyone ever reported actually seeing BRISTOL looking pregnant just prior to Trig's birth?"

There were enough rumors going around Alaska about Bristol being pregnant that Palin felt the need in early March (before announcing her own "pregnancy") to tell the press that the rumors of her daughter being pregnant were false. But I don't know of anyone brave enough to have come forward and said to the press, "I saw Bristol pregnant in January/February 08." Of course, if she had the baby very prematurely, she might not have shown much. Doctors now routinely keep babies that are born at 6 months and even 5 months (although that's more problematic) alive.

Lilybart said...

B...I don't feel sorry for Palin because Bristol became a "Wild child" as you say.

Loving involved parents don't usually raise kids that vandalize and get pregnant. If she refused to discuss sex and birth control, then she is to blame.

As the "Mayor" of Wasilla, she didn't have a clue that the town had wild kids?? That sex was going on????!! I don't buy it.

muah said...

NoMore - what was the reaction of the kids involved?

I think it was noted previously, the kids involved may not have noticed older comments that were missing.
Mercede mentioned a "gag order", what ever that was, she may not have been the only one to get that message.

http://tiny.cc/Agbgh
I know of people that have had things "scrubbed" and it's a vague territory. I also know of someone that had their text changed. That wasn't on MySpace. When they challenged matters, they were banned.

ravenstrick said...

From the MySpace screenshots I kind of got the impression that the rift between Bristol and Mercede has more to do with "JohnnY" and less to do with Levi's ex-girlfriends.

nickname said...

midnightcajun:

Thanks.

Your next door neighbor. I think.

Jennifer said...

Lilybart - you obviously don't have kids or you're very naive. Good kids with good parents CAN, and often do, get pregnant and also get into other trouble.

SP may have indeed discussed birth control with Bristol, but that does not guarantee that her daughter will use it.

Also - parents (even those that may have been a little wild themselves) tend to have blinders when it comes to their own kids. We want to believe the best of them.

muah said...

luna1580 said.... i somehow doubt the mccain campaign had that kind of power. but if it did, i doubt they would have used it on palin -they knew she was a lost cause as soon as they really started vetting her. the problem was the vetting happened after they announced her as the pick.

Have you heard of James Hensley?
http://judicial-inc.biz/82cind6.jpg
William Rehnquist? The Arizona Republic Investigative Reporter Don Bolles? Kathleen Hensley Portalski?
Tom Gosinski?
http://tiny.cc/CiTeh
There are honorable men who served with McCain in the service that have some interesting things to say. The POW/MIA families that wanted to know about their loved ones experienced the wrath of McCain. I don't see his connections as low on power. At a time when Palin's name was synonymous with McCain, why wouldn't he do what he would do for Cindy McCain?

McCain is as old as the hills, "scrubbing" isn't new. Before the internet people were "scrubbed" for reasons like getting close to the truth.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/josh1/3264522964/
the Mrs.
http://tiny.cc/m1uQu

lexky said...

"now im a mother duck for that baby" what does that mean?

Doberman said...

Is Bristol going to start a new Facebook group - Sluts and Stoners for Abstinence?

I'm sorry, the irony is too delicious after Sarah's lastest PR salvo about Bristol getting on with her life work of advocating for abstinence.

Everyone is all criticizing Sarah, but maybe Todd should spend less time snow catting and more time paying attention to what is going on with his children.

As to why Levi isn't squealing about Trigg. He seems to genuinely love Trip and I'm sure if Trigg is his, loves him as well. He knows that he and Bristol, unemployed teenagers, don't have the resources to take care of Trigg's special needs. The Palins, by contrast, are millionaires with gold-plated insurance. He may not be saying anything out of love and concern for his son Trigg, which includes Trigg getting care that Levi is financially unable to provide.

Shar said...

Maybe Levi isn't the father of Trigg.
Maybe Johnny is and that is why Levi was the one who was mad.

midnightcajun said...

The video of the second part of CBS's interview with Levi and Co. and is now up.

Watching it, notice how Levi looks down and to the left when he's remembering everything from hunting and fishing as a kid, to what happened with Bristol. This is a classic way to tell when someone is telling the truth or lying: compare where they look when they're remembering something you know is true with where they look when remembering what might be suspect. Levi passes the test with flying colors: he's absolutely consistent. Left handed people tend to look down and to the left when remembering a true event (why I asked if he was left handed; he could also be a natural lefty forced by a teacher to conform and use his right hand).

If you remember Bristol's interview with GVS, she failed the test miserably. Every time she said something I knew or suspected was a lie, she looked down and to the left--not so with inane things that were doubtless true. Right handed people tend to look to the left when lying, to the right when remembering something and telling the truth. I suspect she's right handed.

It's easier to tell when they're talking to someone sitting across from them. The sideways type of interview, as with TB, is much harder. People who lie constantly like Sarah Palin don't do this. They're more likely to stare straight at you.

Ghostbuster said...

Part two of the Johnstons' CBS interview:

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/levi-johnstons-mom-begging-palin-family-not-to-keep-tripp-from-them-200994

Who is the baby SJ is holding in the pic at 2:35?

patstevens said...

lexky, "I'm a mother duck for that baby" would be more understandable if you replace "that baby" with "those babies". Maybe everyone has trained themselves to reference only one baby. That deception is less prone to error than using the baby's name!

passinthru said...

Well, as to "wild child", Bristol hasn't fallen too far from Momma Sarah's tree, which would mean she knew what was up.

I don't actually see these kids as too scandalous, but that's maybe because I know so many teenagers. They all boast on myspace and the like. That's what it's for.

I suspect everyone in Wasilla was really surprised to see the reaction in the lower 48 to their behavior. It's a fairly closed society in Alaska, and draws a lot of strength from its pioneer traditions, which include a younger, more 'earthy" approach to families than some more proper 'Bostons'. They wouldn't care what we thought, either. :D

Martha said...

CLICK.

With only a little Photo-shopping, the Star photo of Levi/his Dad/newborn baby looks a LOT like it was taken the same day as the Levi/Mercede/newborn and Mercede/newborn/Sarah.

It's easier to see if you cut the picture of Levi out of the pic of the two dads/babe and then do a mirror image of Levi and paste him next to the newly Tyra picture of him in the chair holding the newborn.

It's agreed they were all taken in Sarah's house.

Same color shirt, same color hat. The hat was taken off and put back on in between pictures.

Levi's hair is a little curlier in one than the other, but it's the same length, same cut on the sideburns.

THE EXPRESSION ON LEVI'S FACE IS THE SAME. HAPPY.

I'm convinced. This occurred to me only after a few sleuths discounted the T-shirt in the two Dads photo, said the Logo was Photo-shopped. The hat could have been, too.

ALSO. I have a picture I downloaded from truthseeker222, of just Levi holding a newborn. The baby's on the left, and Levi's in profile and has a ring on his thumb.

I played around with the baby in that picture, and I don't discount the possibility that it's the same baby. Sure looks a lot the same. It actually could even be the same day. Baby getting hungry while being passed around on the chair. Baby fed, happy, Levi changed clothes. A little more 5:00 shadow, or maybe it just shows more.

Whatever else you say, the two babies could sure be t-w-i-n-s!

MJS said...

The problem with the December birthdate theory is that it doesn't explain Sarah's odd behavior when she left the governor's conference and flew back to Alaska to "give birth."

My theory has always been that Todd Palin (First Dude) had an affair, got a woman pregnant, and they planned to give it up for adoption and keep everything secret. However, the Down syndrome meant that the baby was unadoptable--perhaps the couple who was going to adopt backed out. They tried frantically to find someone to adopt him, and when they finally knew time was running out, they had two choices. 1: The birth mother would keep the baby and the father would become known when she applied for various welfare and disability benefits for the child. 2: Sarah and Todd would keep the baby and raise him as theirs. Option 1 would be devastating to her Religious Right image, so they went with 2 and thus began the coverup and fake pregnancy.

I read once that the baby's birth was not paid for by insurance but by the welfare program, which means that the birth mother did not have insurance.

veebee said...

One thing that struck me while looking at the myspace info was how SKINNY Bristol appears in the pictures. Her clothes practically swallow her. It doesn't seem likely that she would develop a pudgy tummy in later pictures unless...

B said...

Ghostbuster said...Who is the baby SJ is holding in the pic at 2:35?

He has TriPP's cheeks but we can't see the distinctive chin. He has darker skin than TriPP, but the woman holding him has similar coloring so I bet it's due to the camera or lighting. I think it's TriPP, definitely not TriG, but do you really think that's Sherry?

B said...

lexky said...
"now im a mother duck for that baby" what does that mean?

Doesn't sound like, "I'm pregnant." More like she has to babysit a toddler who will follow her around. Maybe Audrey's next post about pregnancies will help.

Ocean said...

Radaronline claims a source in the Palin family:

The source backs up Johnston’s story. “All I can say is, every time [I was at the Palins] Levi was with Bristol.”

http://tinyurl.com/czgyaw

CupofNoodles said...

The mother duck comment was made June 25th 2007. There were no babies even born at that time. Bristol is probably talking about a boy.

Audrey should clear that up on the page because many are thinking that shes talking about an actual baby.

Sheesh said...

I'll be interested to see how the research dept of PD extrapolates a clue as to who was pregnant and when. I'm not seeing it in the MySpace comments that were gleaned. What I see is the typical MySpace teenage banter. All it does is confirm for me that they're teens engaging in risky behavior at times which is no different than many kids sadly enough.

JCurry said...

Shar said: "Maybe Levi isn't the father of Trigg. Maybe Johnny is and that is why Levi was the one who was mad."

Shar, I thought the same thing. And maybe Johnny is far less presentable or controllable than Levi, so Sarah pushed Bristol toward Levi, knowing that he'd be able to present a better public image and would be more malleable.

Has anyone been able to track down who Johnny is?

B said...

lexky said...
"now im a mother duck for that baby" what does that mean?

Another possibility: Bristol is pregnant and anticipates weight gain and waddling like a duck.

birdwatcher said...

Okay, so if SP maybe adopted Trigg in a closed adoption, would that prohibit even Shellie J. and Mercede J. from disclosing the truth? This whole thing is so messed up. I really don't believe that SP gave birth to him, but I have no idea what the real story is - why doesn't someone from Anchorage or Juneau or wherever she (Bristol) was remember her being pregnant? Did she stay indoors the WHOLE time she lived away from home?

Truthseeker2 said...

Good work to Audrey and the research group on the MySpace stuff -- I know it has been a challenging task; thanks for doing it!

The MySpace stuff, along with Levi's statement to Tyra that he was a father at 17 and the new photo of him with Trig, provide three more weighty clues that point to Bristol being Trig's mother. I mean, let's be real -- Levi certainly didn't think he was 17 when Tripp was born -- he'll be 19 in less than a month, so he certainly wouldn't have mistaken his age 2-3 months ago. The fact that Tyra asked him directly if he was 17 and he said yes is another nail in the coffin; and the coffin is pretty much sealed shut at this point, given all the other stuff we know about Bristol.

I do think that Sarah was legitimately surprised by the Tripp pregnancy, though -- not because she didn't think Bristol was sexually active, but because she (and Bristol) may have assumed she could not get pregnant so soon after giving birth to Trig. She would not be the first person to be surprised in that way.

To Patstevens, I don't think Bristol would have been referring to "those babies" in late June of 2007.

observer said...

The comment about "I'm a mother duck for that baby" was made before either Tripp or Trig was born and so can't refer to either. The expression comes from the fact that baby ducks imprint on their mothers and follow them around as a result. If a baby duck sees some other kind of animal, such as a human, during the critical period instead of its mother, it will imprint on the human. The comment could refer to a baby she is babysitting or around a lot.

jeanie said...

"lexky said...
"now im a mother duck for that baby" what does that mean?

Another possibility: Bristol is pregnant and anticipates weight gain and waddling like a duck."

If the post was really 6/25/07, and if Bristol really knew she was pregnant, then a 4/18 delivery puts her at 10+ months gestation...

LisanTX said...

lexky said...
"now im a mother duck for that baby" what does that mean?"

This sounds like she will take care of someone else's baby. Not that she's pregnant.

LisanTX said...

Quite a few articles, etc. get Levi's age wrong. According to the Alaska court records, Levi was born on May 3, 1990, so he is 18 and will soon turn 19.

According to the same records, Bristol is 18 and was born on October 18, 1990. So Levi is only about 5 1/2 months older than Bristol. He's still quite young.

Just a reminder to those who aren't around teenagers, Levi and Bristol are both very young. Though they are "of the age of majority" and can legally enter into contracts, etc. they still have alot of maturing to do. They do not have much life experience (or education) from the "big picture" point of view.

I think it's important to keep that in mind when considering all the issues.

Kathleen said...
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Martin said...

In part 2 of CBS Levi interview the picture of SJ and the baby shows SJ has BANGS significantly shorter than her hair is now -- I don't think it could grow that fast. And I don't recall any of the photos of SJ from end of 2008 to now showing her with bangs or wavy hair. So that baby couldn't be TriPP, could it?

B said...

MJS said, "I read once that the baby's [TriG's] birth was not paid for by insurance but by the welfare program, which means that the birth mother did not have insurance."

Where did you read that? I have never heard it. I don't think HIPAA would let an outsider find out whether a birth was insured.

B said...

Truthseeker2, You're probably right about the age 17 thing. But I don't recall Levi even once correcting either Tyra or the CBS talking head, who said he was living with Bristol and the Palins when they found out TriPP was on the way. Maybe so, or maybe Levi just answered the question.

wv = juno st (movie or city)

patstevens said...

totally right, truthseeker. I guess I began to get dizzy reading all those myspace screen shots!

Joe Christmas said...

How and when will this break?
But it will, I have felt that way since the first time I saw that phony last summer.
Anybody up for a little civil disobedience? A bit of fun in this otherwise somber tale?
Doubting Thomas notes this link
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21046.html
Is the defense fund set up by Free American Citizen a fraud? Everybody send a $0.01 check

lexky said...

thanks so much to everybody who answers my questions, especially "B"
is it true sarah's sister has a child thats autistic?

B said...

lexky, Yes, Sarah's sister Heather Bruce has an autistic son.

B said...

Martin said, "And I don't recall any of the photos of SJ from end of 2008 to now showing her with bangs or wavy hair. So that baby couldn't be TriPP, could it?"

I didn't think that was a picture of Sherry. The baby may not be TriPP but it definitely isn't TriG.

B said...

jeanie said, "If the post was really 6/25/07, and if Bristol really knew she was pregnant, then a 4/18 delivery puts her at 10+ months gestation..."

True. The idea is that if Bristol became pregnant around June 2007, after returning from Juneau, then she gave birth to TriG in February.

Doubting Thomas said...

I have noticed with the influx of new people, that many are not up to speed yet and asking questions we answered months ago.

Maybe it would be helpful for Audrey to point the new people in the direction of older posts and comments, as well as point out the rules (be nice to one another, make sure your information is accurate, include links to back up information).

More than anything else, just to ease the burden of the Mods.

Morgan and the others are doing a great job, but I am sure it gets pretty tough having to moderate when there is an increase of new readers who do not know the rules around here.

luna1580 said...

audrey & team-

i'd still really love to hear your opinions on how myspace could be/was "scrubbed."

i've read many commenter's opinions here, but audrey did tell me she'd put the question to you (in the first 10 responses on this thread,) and i'd still like to get your take on it.

thanks,
luna

Nova Land said...

Lexky asked about the meaning of Bristol's comment, "now im a mother duck for that baby".

Several people have come up with explanations which would tie this in to Bristol being pregnant with Trig. I think that's a case of being so interested in proving something that one sees evidence everywhere whether it's there or not.

(Similarly, over in the previous blog post, "Message. In. A. Bottle.", some people are seeing the phrase "Johnston & Child" tattooed on Levi's arm in the picture of Levi holding Trig. I think the tattoo simply says JOHNSTON -- but because many of us want to know the answer to the who-is-Trig's-mother mystery, some people are seeing clues where there are none.)

In this case, I think it's the word baby which is sending people astray. But the important part of this sentence isn't baby. It's mother duck.

The thing about baby ducks and mother ducks is that baby ducks follow the mother duck all the time. Everywhere she goes, they follow. That's why some people use the mother-duck / baby-duck metaphor for a situation in which someone is following them all the time and won't give them the time they want to themselves.

Even if Bristol were pregnant at this point, what she'd have would be a developing embryo. That's not something which would be likely to conjure up the image of a baby duck following it's mother everywhere.

My guess is that the "baby" Bristol was referring to in this comment is Piper.

We know that Sarah Palin was away a lot, and expected others to fill in for her on a number of household tasks. Piper, especially, would have needed someone looking after her when Sarah was away -- and Bristol, being the oldest daughter, would likely be the one to get tapped. A lot.

That's not something that Bristol, from what we've heard and read, would have appreciated. Being saddled with Piper while Sarah was away, having Piper tagging along with her when she wanted to be on her own (and wanted to be doing things Piper shouldn't know about) would likely have made Bristol feel -- well, like a mother duck with a baby duck following her everywhere.

That's just a guess, of course, but I think it makes sense.

Rationalist said...

Hey - did anyone ever figure out about what appears to be a second baby's arm in the picture of Levi in Star Magazine? (http://www.starmagazine.com/bristol_palin_levi_split/news/15341)

GinaM said...

Wow...Bristol myspace page must have given poor GINO heartburn. It's true you can't keep everything hidden...eventually some things will rise to the surface.

Truthseeker2 said...

I would not write off the ":(now im a mother duck for that baby" comment as irrelevant at all. While we don't know for sure what it means, the context of the comment, just minutes before Bristol writes "im a slut," and soon after her more urgent need to talk by phone, casts this comment in a light that legitimately raises suspicions, IMO. The larger context of a period when Bristol appears to have been sexually active and just before the "cone of silence" descends is also pretty interesting.

B said...

Rationalist said...
Hey - did anyone ever figure out about what appears to be a second baby's arm in the picture of Levi in Star Magazine?

Looks like Levi was holding two babies. If he was at the Palin house, the other baby is likely to be TriG. I bet there are lots of pictures of Grandma Sally and other visitors holding both babies.

Suspicious that this photo was cropped, but Levi holding TriG wouldn't really prove anything. This was after Levi had a reason (being Tripp's dad) to be at the Palin house holding a baby. The message.in.a.bottle photo was when he was allegedly just the baby's sister's boyfriend.

wv = mom ito,or momi to (mommy too)

B said...

Nova Land,

Thanks for babysitting Piper as a possible explanation for mother duck. She also could have been anticipating waddling with pregnancy.

If Sarah was afraid Bristol was pregnant back in May 2007, then she should have been watching for signs of it that summer. Would she really have let Bristol pose for the family photo in September with a dress some say shows an extended belly?

I hope Audrey's next post will shed some light on all of this.

NakedTruth said...

This is really some crazy stuff. Did anyone else find Sherry Johnston's comments strange on the 2nd CBS Interview. They are below:

"I had a really rough summer," Sherry said, as she began to cry, "and he was what kept me going. Just waiting for him."

Wiping tears from her eyes, Sherry continued, "I mean, and Bristol and I talked about it a lot. Just like, 'Well, you'll have Tripp soon. And he'll be there for you." '

"You're still waiting"? Rodriguez asked.

"I'm hoping," Sherry responded. After a pause, she added, "I'm begging."

O.K. she was having a rough summer. Why? I know that she was going through a divorce and all so maybe this was it but to talk to Bristol about it was rather odd to me.

Is it possible that her Summer was also rough because she couldn't be a real grandma to her grandson, Trig and Bristol was trying to give her hope by saying that she would have Tripp soon? This idea does play into some of our thoughts that Tripp was conceived by Bristol and Levi in order to, in some sense, replace the child they couldn't keep. This would definitely make some sense of why Bristol, Levi and Sherry were so happy to find out that Bristol was pregnant with Tripp.

What are some thoughts on this? I just find it so odd that a mother (Sherry) would be so happy (in tears happy) to find out that her teenage son and his girlfriend are pregnant. Normal people just aren't usually happy about babies raising babies. But who's to say that the Johnstons are normal people.

TruthSeeker said...

Naked Truth, I am so with you on this. I thought alot about those particular statements from the interview.

First of all, if Bristol became pregnant (again) with Tripp in April '08, the earliest she probably would have even known she was even having a(nother) boy would have been August. From my experience the first ultrasounds(sonograms) - to determine gender- are normally done at 20 weeks (4 months.) So how could the hope of Tripp keep Sherry going THRU the summer? "Just waiting for him"?

That really was a very odd/strange thing to say.

B said...

Naked Truth,

I wondered the same:

What was wrong for Sheery in the summer? I assumed it was the divorce.

And what mom in her right mind would be happy that the teen girlfriend of her teen son who has no high school degree -- is pregnant? Sure suggests TriPP was to replace TriG, whose needs were too great.

Remember that statement by Sarah that got Levi canned, about how they had been working their butts off going to school and parenting? TriPP was at best a few days old (if not still in the womb) and school was out for winter break. Did she mean TriG?

Maybe Bristol and Levi took some responsibility for TriG. For Levi that would almost have to mean he believed he was the father.

One thing I really wonder is why Sherry didn't hold off on the PR tour until the trial was over. Is she going to plead guilty or no contest?

I would think she would agree with Sarah to visit TriPP at the Palin home until it's clear to the world that no one is dealing drugs at the Johnston home. I never heard her say she wasn't allowed to visit TriPP, just that he couldn't visit her.

Now if Bristol were breast feeding exclusively, I can understand why TriPP stays with her and others can visit. But why arrange for Sherry to watch him three days a week? And Bristol told Greta her family helped while she was at school, and we saw her at the Iron Dog with baggy stretched abs and without TriPP, so she does leave TriPP from time to time.

My brain goes in circles.

Floyd M. Orr said...

In Part 2 of the CBS interview, Sherry distinctly says summer. She was unhappy during during a hard summer. What if she is saying that she was battling the Palins all last summer for visitation with Trig?

TruthSeeker said...

Another thing that doesn't add up is that Levi said everything started to go downhill after the election was over. The election was Nov. 4, 08 and yet the media reports (from People mag, etc.) of Tripp's birth at the end of December and the first of the year gave the distinct impression that all was well between the families. SP defended Levi and Bristol after they were labeled as dropouts. There was the question of whether SP had pulled strings to get Levi hired in the oil fields.

It looked like everything was still hunky-dory between the Palins and Johnstons after the election. They seemed to have been working well together... to keep the story together???

NoMore said...

Well, something definitely does not add up from the second part of the interview. I also got stumped by Sherry's comment about the rough summer, and talking to Bristol, and waiting for Tripp. As others have already mentioned - USUALLY parents are not too over-excited about teens having babies, and also, too ( ;) ) how could she know it would be a boy. Maybe it is just idle talk after-the-fact - maybe they knew Bristol was pregnant (again?), and were just hoping for a healthy, 'normal' child, that they could take care of and help raise - unlike Trig, who turned out to be 'less than perfect', and potentially needing too much financial/medical help in the future for the Johnstons (and Bristol) to be able to care for.

Dangerous said...

'Nickname' asked (numbers added)

1) Has anyone ever reported actually seeing BRISTOL looking pregnant just prior to Trig's birth?

2) Is there any known evidence of any of her friends having known that she was pregnant (with Trig)?

3) Is there any known evidence that any of LEVI's friends knew or suspected that he had impregnated BRISTOL (with
Trig)?

4) Would you normally expect that if anyone DID know or strongly suspect that BRISTOL was pregnant with Trig that they would have talked about it and or commented about it on the Net or elsewhere in e-mails?


Answers:

1) No.
2) No.
3) No.
4) You'd certainly think that, based on the intimacy of the comments Audrey and her team unearthed.

NO WAY Bristol actually being pregnant with Trig would be a secret. It wouldn't be just a rumor; her friends would know and it wouldn't have stayed just as a rumor. It would be confirmed or denied and all the MySpace scrubbing possible wouldn't delete people's memories and keep them silent.

Maybe National Enquirer didn't make a mistake at all with their picture. Mother and child, ha ha.

Dangerous

TruthSeeker said...

Dangerous, I mean you no offense. Of course I don't know you and I have nothing against you but I have to tell you that your reasoning is most annoying! :)

You could very well ask any of those 4 questions substituting Willow's name. The answers would be the same as the ones you gave.

We're all looking for answers here but I think you are out there alone with your Willow as mother theory.

jeanie said...

B:

"The idea is that if Bristol became pregnant around June 2007, after returning from Juneau, then she gave birth to TriG in February."

My point exactly! I've always been in the Bx2 camp.

NakedTruth said...

Truthseeker said:

"SP defended Levi and Bristol after they were labeled as dropouts. There was the question of whether SP had pulled strings to get Levi hired in the oil fields."

A blogger on another website had a really interesting take on SP's real motive for making the extra effort to call People Magazine to insist that Levi and Bristol were not dropouts and that Levi was working as an Apprentice on the North Slopes.

The blogger thought that SP did this to bring attention to Levi's apprenticeship knowing darn well that he needed a high school diploma to have it. As for the recommendation she wrote Levi, well this was doing the time that she really needed the Johnston's to keep quiet about Trig. She wanted the VP nomination and a faked pregnancy was not going to get in her way.

This blogger also seems to think that SP had something to do with Sherry's arrest. Notice it was after the election was over even though supposedly the cops had the evidence on Sherry about a month or so before the election. Why did they wait to arrest her?

This blogger seems to think that SP is trying to discredit the Johnston's so that if they ever do decide to go public with any of Palin's secrets nobody will believe them.

I think that she/he just might be on to something.

SillyRabbit said...

Doubting Thomas' note of April 9, 9:07 PM makes me wonder if I have missed some info. I read through the home page itself, and the latest entry there is Oct.19, 2008. I also read all the items on the right-hand side of the home page. That's the whole website, right? Audrey wrote that the blog would have the newest stuff anyway, so now I don't read anything but this blog, which, by the way, has become overwhelming in size. That's my own problem, of course, but would a limit on words or characters be a possibility?

Dangerous said...

To Truthseeker,

I agree with questions 1-3. Question 4 is where Wx1 is clearly stronger than Bx2. Plus, Bx2 has CALENDAR ISSUES. All Bx2 proponents cavalierly assign alternate birthdates to Trig, Tripp or both, with no supporting evidence. And, those alternate birthdates require a whole bunch of new assumptions and contradictory circumstances.

Attempts to prove Bx2 are keeping the investigation from finding the truth. Why? You can't prove something that isn't true.

For Wx1, I freely admit that it might be wrong. But it isn't as if thousands of people have been digging for evidence to prove it, either. As you've said, I'm out there alone. But I'm just proposing a possible outcome that hasn't been disproven, no matter how hard everyone tries to do so.

Besides, I'm not intent on proving Wx1. I'm intent on disproving it and I can't. I can ignore it or dismiss it out of hand, but that's not the same thing.

I can disprove Bx2, however. To an impartial audience I would slice the theory up in minutes. It takes a true believer with all sorts of conjecture to accept Bx2. There are at least half a dozen 'what ifs' attached to it where the speculation contradict known or reasonable circumstances.

Dangerous

B said...

Dangerous said, "NO WAY Bristol actually being pregnant with Trig would be a secret."

And you think 6th grader Willow getting pregnant would be?

We can't take Sarah's word for anything, including TriG's and TriPP's birthdates.

I do agree that Wasilla's silence is amazing. You'd think at least the girl who wanted to beat Bristol up wouldn't mind spilling Palin secrets.

Craig said...

So, Andrew Sullivan has now written the following just recently:

"What interests me more is the potential for this kind of thing" (the Johnston/Palin drama) "to escalate, leading to all sorts of possibilities and future revelations. If you've ever been a Judge Judy fan, you'll know what I mean."

And then this....

"To explain my own interest: yes, I suspect that, in the absence of a press corps capable of asking awkward questions and getting substantive answers, a little family tension might help unravel some of the remaining mysteries of 2008."

So, why isn't one of the most influencial bloggers in the WORLD, who also happens to be itching to validate his earlier inquiries into Trig's birth, being connected with photos that are said to prove Sarah's fraud?

I've not really heard a good answer to this question. To me, it is becoming the 800-pound gorilla in the room that no one seems to wonder about.

NakedTruth said...

Dangerous said:

"Besides, I'm not intent on proving Wx1. I'm intent on disproving it and I can't. I can ignore it or dismiss it out of hand, but that's not the same thing."

Gryphen, where are you when we need you!

Diana said...

Truthseeker, Naked Truth, B....I agree with all of you. Those interviews told a lot. I don't think they realized how much they were revealing...except maybe the wonderful picture of Levi holding his newborn son...Trig.

Also, do we know that Sherri's divorce was going on in the summer? I thought it happened after her drug arrest.

If that is the case it would really make you understand how raw her emotions might be about not being able to be a Grandma to Trig and waiting for the opportunity to be a Grandma to Tripp.

Ennealogic said...

As a counter to Dangerous's response to Nickname,

1. Has anyone ever reported actually seeing BRISTOL looking pregnant just prior to Trig's birth?

When was Trig born? We don't know. Has anyone seen Bristol at all between October 2007 and April 2008? No verified sightings. This in itself is unusual, and raises the question of WHY we did not see Bristol in this critical time period.

2. Is there any known evidence of any of her friends having known that she was pregnant (with Trig)?

Phone calls don't make it onto the Internet. MySpace pages can (and were) scrubbed. Bristol, if she was pregnant with Trig, knew what was at stake. Even 17-yr-olds can exercise some discretion.

3. Is there any known evidence that any of LEVI's friends knew or suspected that he had impregnated BRISTOL (with Trig)?

Did Levi even know at an early date? We don't know. Is this something a teenage boy would brag about? I really don't think so. Once again, absence of evidence does not mean this did not take place.

4. Would you normally expect that if anyone DID know or strongly suspectthat BRISTOL was pregnant withTrig that they would have talked about it and or commented about it on the Net or elsewhere in e-mails?

I don't know about your e-mail accounts but it takes a court order to get into mine. Comments made on the 'net are not usually made with real names. As noted before, MySpace pages of kids in Bristol's and Levi's circles were scrubbed, back to a date before Bristol could have known she was pregnant.

Sorry about the long post. And forgive me for wondering if "Nickname's" post wasn't intended as a purposeful set of questions for Dangerous to answer.

NakedTruth said...

Craig said:

"So, why isn't one of the most influencial bloggers in the WORLD, who also happens to be itching to validate his earlier inquiries into Trig's birth, being connected with photos that are said to prove Sarah's fraud?

I've not really heard a good answer to this question. To me, it is becoming the 800-pound gorilla in the room that no one seems to wonder about."

Craig, o.k. enough is enough. If you have not received an answer to your question, it's not because an answer has not been provided; it's because you are just not willing to accept the answers provided to you.

We have got the Johnston's finally talking and wanting to tell more and myspace posts to review. We can't keep going back and explaining things that have already been explained.

I recommend that you go back to the previous posts and look for the answer.

I wonder when the Johnston's are going to appear again in public or have SP already made up with them? :-)

Diana said...

Craig...he has already had them.

Dangerous said...

And you think 6th grader Willow getting pregnant would be? [easier to keep secret]

[Correction to question: 7th grader, not 6th, and nearly 14 due to January birthday, 14+ in April 2008.]

Yes. Why?

1) Not expected and, hence, not as likely to be noticed early on.
2) Living and going to school in Juneau (at least until she left for Wasilla in March)
3) Not as socially active as Bristol. (Disprove this with her MySpace commmunications with friends, if any.)
4) Doesn't drive.
5) Less likely to blab.
6) More likely to not have to tell the father.
7) Greater incentive for EVERYONE to keep the secret.
8) More likely Dr. CBJ would lie to distort to protect her privacy.

I could go on, but I think you get the point. Once Levi and the Johnstons were in the mix, and competing boyfriends for Bristol, what makes anyone think that nobody would notice or ask. One thing for sure 16/17-year-olds gossip a lot more that 13/14-year-olds.

Reminder: Baby-bump pictures are from 2006, not 2007 as some have speculated. Hence, if Bristol got pregnant in June 2007, making Trig full term in Feb 2008 as many speculate, she would have started showing to close friends long before she transferred from Wasilla to Anchorage. And they'd certainly notice in Anchorage High School, right?

Besides, Trig is too small in April 2008 to be full term in February, hence all the speculation of premature birth in February.

With Bx2, the theory keeps changing based on the latest conjecture on any new piece of evidence. It's wrong. That's what things look like when a theory is wrong.

Wx1 might be wrong, but it hasn't had to change.

One more reminder: I've regularly posited that originally the Palins planned to have Bristol take credit for Trig to cover for Willow, but that effort failed for any number of reasons. That explains the rumors (false, but unprovable), Bristol's moving to Anchorage, no pictures, etc. The theory is supported by the circumstantial evidence better than the same evidence does for Bx2.

I don't care if I'm outnumbered. If I turn out to be right I'll be famous.

Dangerous

birdwatcher said...

Perhaps I am one of the "new members who are not up to speed" according to Doubting Thomas. In actuality I've been following this blog for quite a while, and perhaps have missed a morsel of information here and there.

Doubting Thomas said...

SillyRabbit said...
Doubting Thomas' note of April 9, 9:07 PM makes me wonder if I have missed some info. I read through the home page itself, and the latest entry there is Oct.19, 2008. I also read all the items on the right-hand side of the home page. That's the whole website, right? Audrey wrote that the blog would have the newest stuff anyway, so now I don't read anything but this blog, which, by the way, has become overwhelming in size. That's my own problem, of course, but would a limit on words or characters be a possibility?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was not referring to the website, I was referring to the Palin Deception blog board and the comment boards (like the one you reading right now), for answers, questions that were answered long ago, ideas that have been confirmed or rejected etc.
I know I am asking a lot as this portion of Palins Deceptions is HUGE, but it worth at least skimming over and seeing what the rest of us have touched on (and maybe bring some new insights and ideas back to the table).
Happy Reading!

William said...

Nova Land, another guess on the "mother duck" comment would be that she gave some boy favors, and he is now "following her around" like a baby duck. Like I said...another GUESS. But what follows is the "I'm a slut" comment.

WV: soclouse..."so close"

B said...

Dangerous, I said getting pregnant not delivering a baby. She was in 6th grade in school year 2006-7.

B said...

birdwatcher said...
Perhaps I am one of the "new members who are not up to speed" according to Doubting Thomas.

Not to worry. Even those of us who have read everything on webpage and blog and have been commenting for many months sometimes forget things and ask again.

It's fine to remind people to search for a previous discussion of something, but it's also fine for new people to ask. If a question bothers people, noone will answer it.

wv wins all. My hope for Audrey.

NakedTruth said...

Dangerous said:


"Reminder: Baby-bump pictures are from 2006, not 2007 as some have speculated"

Not true, the family picture of Bristol in the green sweater was proved to be from 2006 but the family picture of her looking 3-4 months pregnant in the black and white dress is from Sept. 14, 2007. Just right for a Feb. 08 birth.

Patrick also used this photo to provide us with a blown of screenshot of Bristol's belly. Looked like a pregnant belly to me.

Silvergirl said...

I had a full term baby in March, having conceived in June of the preceding year. The time from actual conception to birth was about 1 week shy of 9 months. I know this because I knew when I was ovulating, and it was during my honeymoon.

Now, if the birth dates of Trig and Tripp are correct, according to SP, then the babies are born exactly 8 months and 10 days apart. It is not inconceivable (no pun intended) for the same mother to have these 2 babies, even with these birthdays. I used http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html - an online date calculator to figure this out.

Of course, the lucky (or unlucky) fertile couple would have become intimate too soon, as per doctor's orders, but I think it would be possible for the two babies to be borne of the same mother.

The other thing is that Levi obviously, from his CBS interview, stayed with the Palins right after Trig was born. I think he was there to help out with his newborn son.

wv: togynuto, because I'm discussing gynecologist type concerns here.

leu2500 said...

To Silly Rabbit and others looking to get filled in on past info/discussions on the blog:

(These are my personal recommendations, 2 out of the many, many great commentators on this blog.)

The travel records provided a great deal of insight, so those posts in particular are of great use.

Patrick has put together a photo album, and Diana a timeline coordinated with info from the travel records that help with an overview.

Because of this work that Patrick and Diana did, I'd recommend reviewing their comments.

CupofNoodles said...

Silvergirl...

Levi did not stay with the palins right after Trig was born. He did not move into the Palins home until Dec of 08.

The Obamacon said...

Craig said:

"So, why isn't one of the most influencial bloggers in the WORLD, who also happens to be itching to validate his earlier inquiries into Trig's birth, being connected with photos that are said to prove Sarah's fraud?

I've not really heard a good answer to this question. To me, it is becoming the 800-pound gorilla in the room that no one seems to wonder about."

Andrew Sullivan has indeed talked about the photos in at least three posts:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/a-fourth-pictur.html

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/palins-medica-2.html

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/when-sarah-pali.html


Sorry about posting inactive links, but I can't get hyperlinks to work.

penny said...

The moderators have to let through all comments that follow the rules, but we keep having the same discussion after every post. Obviously the participants have their minds made up, so can we please just discuss newly emerging info? Or am I the only one that scans right over it?

Diana said...

I know we can't prove it yet, but I believe beyond a reasonable doubt that Bristol and Levi are Trigs parents and that Trig was born in Feb 2008. For me it seems obvious and the only struggle I have is getting more facts to flush out the final picture.

All the information we have gathered makes it only plausible for Bristol not Willow to be Trigs as well as Tripps mom. Willow was photographed January 15th 2008 when it would have been obvious if she had been pregnant. She was not. She was also still visible and in travel reports going back and forth to school. Not true for Bristol.

It appears Bristol became pregnant mid June of 2007 when she was still 16 and just after she finished her sophomore year in High School. This would have made her due with Trig mid March 2008 if she had carried him to full term.

It is obvious that Bristol was keep out of view and in hiding once she started showing. It seems she was kept hidden until after the baby was born so that Trig could be put up for adoption and a scandal could be avoided.

Bristol moves in with her Aunt and leaves behind all her friends and family and is able to keep anyone in her town from realizing that she is pregnant. They are use to her traveling back and forth to school during the year and they are only hearing rumors, not seeing for themselves she is pregnant.

Look at the timeline. It tells you everything. She is not photographed once from 9-14-2007 until 4-25-2008 when we see her posing with Mercedes the night of her prom. She left school once it might be noticed she was pregnant and moved in with her Aunt. She is off her mom's travel schedule permanently after 10-7-2008 and doesn't attend any events, family or otherwise, again until June. With one exception; she attends the "American Heart Association" luncheon on Feb. 15th which should have had media coverage and photos yet nothing has been found to show Bristol attended. She either had Trig by then or she did not attend.

Remember she was only 16 and just finished her sophomore year when she got pregnant. Her mom taught abstinence and was very vocal and active on this subject. This would have, at the time, been a crisis for the Palin family. However, if they looked into the future at the decisions and choices that were being made, they might have realized this should have been addressed straight on and with the truth. The larger crisis was yet to come.

I can't imagine that Sarah ever planned on adopting Trig after Bristol told her she was pregnant. I think Sarah hoped to keep Bristol's pregnancy private so that her 16 year old could adopt him out without the media finding out and or her friends and Christian following knowing.

Sarah was extremely focused on not loosing her momentum in her drive for the national stage. Having an adopted newborn, that was her 16 year old daughters, would have been very difficult to explain. Not, when she could privately adopt him out and avoid the fallout for her daughter benefit as well as for hers.

However Trig surprised them all by being born a month early, not only with downs syndrome but with a heart problem, that would need to be watched and addressed possibly needing a future surgery. This is what changed the direction of the plan Sarah had put into place. From everything we know and from all the reports and timelines we have gathered it appears that Trig was born sometime during the month of February 2008.

This was the unexpected catalyst that changed Sarah's direction from adopting Trig out to faking a pregnancy. It appears, Trig having down syndrome came as a shock to everyone, especially with the problems and health concerns that he would be facing. The information we received from Sarah about knowing Trig had down syndrome came after the fact and not prior to him being born. It seems they just dated the knowledge backwards to make it appear like they knew, but it doesn't appear like they did. It seems this sudden knowledge attributed to Sarah's rushed and poorly thought out plan.

It seems as this point Bristol's mom decides to adopt Trig as her own and decides to start faking a pregnancy in late February, only after Trig is born. This coincides with the photos of when Sarah started wearing scarf's and "pretending" to look pregnant although not very convincingly.

Sarah knows that she has at least 6to 8 weeks to fake a pregnancy before Trig reaches a size that is "not presentable" as a newborn. Sarah already knows she will "present" one month earlier than she tells the press and it becomes a part of her plan to buy some time.

Sarah telling everyone he is "one month early" will be very believable and it works to her advantage in being able to make her fake pregnancy work. All Sarah thinks she needs to do is to pretend long enough, say Trig is hers and she can make this "embarrassment become a solution".

It appears Sarah was waiting to get the "nod" to become "VP" before she decided to go into labor. On April 18th, after flying home in the middle of the night Sarah starts the birth story and later in the morning when everyone is in place she "presents" Trig as her own child. All the while avoiding the media scrutiny that should and would have been present if she hadn't planned on coming home late in the evening and having the time to make sure everything was in place before they were alerted to "Trigs birth".

In reality Trig was born early, by at least one month, but by Bristol. Trig was born with the complications of down syndrome and a heart defect. He was born to a teenage girl who more than likely tried to hide her pregnancy by "under-eating". Trig very likely lost at least one or two pounds from problems association with not being able to nurse correctly, in addition to already being smaller by arriving early. Consequently, Sarah was able to present to the public a newborn looking Trig, April 18th, 2008 as her own child.

What Sarah didn't expect was how many people were going to question her behavior. She was use to getting away with mis-behaviors and having things go her way without question. She appears to have been very naive about the position she put herself into and the scrutiny she would receive when she accepted the offer for the Vice Presidential position.

It seems however, that even before Sarah presents Trig to the public as her own and after Levi and Bristol understand and accept that they are not keeping and raising Trig as their own, Bristol gets pregnant again. Easy to do when you are healing your emotional wounds with the boyfriend/father of your first child you are having to relinquish. Especially when you think breastfeeding will protect you from getting pregnant. Statistics show that it is relatively easy and not uncommon to get pregnant within 6 weeks of delivering because of the false sense of protection nursing mothers feel.

So, now begins the newest Palin family crisis! Bristol becomes pregnant “again” at the end of March 2008. Nine months later on December 27th or 28th (as the date is a moving target), they are welcoming baby number 2, Tripp!

It all seem clear for me, from their photos, interviews, behaviors and actions! I know from my own experiences that actions always speak louder than words. This could never be more true than what has occurred in Palin family drama! Sarah, Bristol, Levi, Mercedes, their actions ALL speak louder than their words.

I sincerely understand Bristol's mom wanting to help these kids out and adopt Trig. But this shows Sarah's own immaturity and incredibly poor judgment. She showed her lack of ethics when she decided to lie and hide the truth then using her kids as her own personal, righteous and religious platform to further her political career.

We have the basics correct. We have the timelines and dates Bristol disappeared. We have photos of Sarah, not pregnant. We have rumors, my space pages talking about being sexually active and actions that make it very clear what happened. The rest is coming. It will fill in the missing pieces to the picture. But I am convinced and I think a large majority of people following this site feel the same.

We are in the process of filling in the last pieces to this puzzle. That is when a puzzle can be the most difficult to solve. We have been working for months and have accumulated an incredible amount of information. I know more is coming soon and I hope that it will continue to fill out the picture and give us the information we need to finalize this sad family drama. I personally would like to move on and let Sarah get back to finding ways to heal her broken family. But until we have Sarah acknowledge that she lied and covered up the truth or until we uncover that final piece of information that makes it clear, I for one will continue the search.

Diana said...

By the way here is a condensed version of the timeline:

http://tinyurl.com/cnhqwu

Windy City Woman said...

Passinthru,
Where did you read that Trig's birth was paid for by welfare, rather than insurance? Do you remember? Who could know this and spread it around?

Windy City Woman said...

Passinthru and MJS,
Sorry, the question I posed was meant for MJS not Passinthru, as to how would it be known that Trig's birth was paid for by welfare, not insurance.

~~Olivia said...

I think Bristol pregnancy with TriG was a very well kept secret. She was taken out of school in "mid-term" (December '07?) and hidden in Anchorage. She may have been threatened by SP to keep her mouth shut. She was living with SP's sister, possibly had no phone or internet.

I could see where BP could have been too scared to tell her friends. When your mother is governor and can scare the sh!t out of you...

teal said...

I always throught it really strange how GiNO had the 1st baby on showcase 3-4 days after the 'birth date' in public, on the state web site for the longest...then take BP, it took like almost 2 months for the baby to be seen.

Tully said...

I would just like to encourage all who read and comment here not to miss the forest for the trees. Many of us are getting hung up on minute points and spending a lot of time and energy trying to explain things which at this point are inexplicable.

Let's look at the big picture and eventually even seemingly conflicting pieces of information will start fitting together.

And please, please, please, people, when you're blogging about Trig and/or Tripp, keep them straight!! When we mix them up, it makes us look like total morons.

conscious at last said...

Diana - Thank you. That was a wonderful summary and explanation of a very plausible scenario. We are SO close!

I am struck by the endless ironies and hypocrisies implicit in SP's actions.
If SP adopted Trig to make sure that he'd receive costly care and resources, she could have done it openly-- explaining who the mother(parents) truly are. Instead, she fakes a pregnancy to protect her political ambitions. But even worse--- she has no problem faking a pregnancy to put her "son" on her publicly funded health insurance. Yet she is always talking about how the government shouldn't be taking care of people-- she'd be the first one to vote against any public health plan that would benefit less affluent
folks !!v Let's not forget how she made such a fuss about accepting the stimulus funds from the federal gov't. So, she is all for using tax dollars to solve her problems-- but the tax payer shouldn't expect the same!

SHE IS TRULY A FRAUD.

wayofpeace said...

a big THANKS diana for the summary: excellent PD primer for rookies and old timers alike.

FYI i am leaning on LEVY not being TRIG's father. but i agree with you on everything else.

Bretta said...

Dangerous said, "Besides, I'm not intent on proving Wx1. I'm intent on disproving it and I can't."

I am interested in this idea, but I see the enormous weight gain in Bristol but not in Willow.

Back to the premise of this website, the evidence shown still convinces me that SP is not the mother of Trig.

Windy City Woman said...

Have the researchers tried to determine if Willow has a MySpace page?

NY tabloid chick said...

Some of Mercede's comments to Johnny are awfully... friendly. Anyone else getting the feeling that this was a love quadrangle of sorts (Bristol with Johnny and Levi; Mercede with Johnny; Levi with several other girls)? I'm wondering what BP was doing when she was with her aunt; she obviously saw Levi from time to time but it seems like the times between were difficult and I'm sure she was concerned that Levi was getting around behind her back. Lovey-dovey comments from Mercede to Johnny couldn't have made her feel too good about what she was missing, either with Levi or with Johnny.

I hope everyone saw how many comments we got on Gawker! A few people didn't get why BP was being 'exposed' like this, but most seemed to understand that this was all in service of exposing SP's lies.

Everyone, I mean everyone, in NY media reads Gawker. This is just huge exposure.

NY tabloid chick said...

*** NakedTruth said...
I know that these are young people and I did some crazy stuff as a teenager myself, not as crazy as getting pregnant but I had my rebellious moments. But I have always felt that Bristol had a sadness about her that expressed low self-esteem. Not the low self-esteem as it relates to looks but she just appears to me to a person who needs attention. I could see her sleeping around.

Also, in her interview with Greta she was just too adamant about abstinence not being realistic. It was almost like she was really saying 'It's not realistic for me because I love sex and I am not going to abstain.'

I agree with B, it is possible that she could have gotten pregnant by Levi in June 07 or who's to say that she wasn't still messing around with Johnny and maybe someone else. She may not be sure about Trig's dad but poor Levi seems to think that Trig belongs to him.***

I think you're right on all counts. I'd pay for DNA tests myself at this point! I also got a low self-esteem vibe from BP, and I think it's the kind of low self-esteem that comes from a lack of attention at home. She's pretty and clearly had no problem getting the attention of random boys, but I think she really needed more time from parents...

NY tabloid chick said...

*** ravenstrick said...
Okay, here goes --

For a long time I've felt that the Bristol/Levi relationship was more than encouraged by Gov Palin. I think she may have turned a blind eye to a lot of what was going on because she approved. He describes their relationship as 'great' and her as treating him 'like a mom' before her lost election.

I think Levi is just the sort of boy Sarah Heath would have had a crush on in high school. I think in some ways she was living vicariously through her daughter.***

I love this theory! And Levi sure does clean up purty :), as long as he keeps his mouth shut. SP really played up this rather short-term relationship just when she needed to. I'm wondering if the seeds of the Sherry drug investigation had been planted before the convention (I know the sales weren't made that early, but perhaps there was talk that Sherry was the person to go to for oxycontin) and SP got Levi to cooperate with some sort of promise that the drug issue wouldn't be brought to light? Maybe SP knew about Sherry's career because of Track? I still keep thinking about how SP's first statement about BP's pregnancy referred to "Bristol and the young man she will marry" rather than Levi by name.

fullsise... this is a fullsise problem for SP!

NY tabloid chick said...

*** nickname said...
Has anyone ever reported actually seeing BRISTOL looking pregnant just prior to Trig's birth?

Is there any known evidence of any of her friends having known that she was pregnant (with Trig)?

Is there any known evidence that any of LEVI's friends knew or suspected that he had impregnated BRISTOL (with
Trig)?

Would you normally expect that if anyone DID know or strongly suspect
that BRISTOL was pregnant with
Trig that they would have talked about it and or commented about it on the Net or elsewhere in e-mails?***

MySpace is just one way to communicate. I'd bet emails and text messages would be really interesting. If you thought friend A was hiding a pregnancy and wanted to ask friend B what she thought, but you didn't want friend A to know, you'd go through email or text, not MySpace.

NY tabloid chick said...

*** birdwatcher said...
Can someone please explain to me what possible reason would any of the Johnsons have at this point to deny Levi's paternity of Trigg? I don't get it. He seems like he is genuinely attached to Tripp, and all in all not a bad kid. Why would Shellie, Mercede or Levi deny the paternity? What does SP have on them to keep them at bay with this? And what about that one woman who seemingly has known SP for years, trashed her in a long post, but stands by SP being the mother of Trigg. I don't get it. Someone please 'splain me...***

I'm not sure the Johnstons are denying it as much as they're not throwing it into the discussion. Right now, anyway. Levi might've agreed to the adoption and to not claiming paternity. Or Levi might, at this point, no longer be confident that he's Triggy-bear's daddy. (I'm not 100% sure he is at this point; I kinda go back and forth on that...)

NY tabloid chick said...

*** lexky said...
"now im a mother duck for that baby" what does that mean?***

My guess? She was stuck babysitting Piper one too many times and poor Piper, absent her birth mother, was getting very attached to BP and causing her problems when it came time to hang out with her buds.

WV: worin!!!

Ocean said...

Excellent post Diana. Applause (and clanking beer mugs emoticon) for Audrey and all the research team. Special thanks to Morgan!

Betsy S said...

Splendid work, Diana!
Perhaps, wayofpeace, Levi isn't the father of Trig, and everybody, perhaps it doesn't matter.
What we must concentrate on is the exposre of the fraud, the lies, and the hypocrisy of Sarah Palin.
Bristol Palin has by now aquired a reputation that is possibly considered a little lower than that of Monica Lewinsky. I feel so sorry for this poor girl who has had her chances for a simple, honest, quiet and respectable life ruined, and that her own mother has been the cause of 80% of her exposure and our censure. Bristol is guilty of some reckless behavior, but the press she is now receiving is so far beyond what is necessary to identify the true protagonist of this family disaster.. It is Sarah Palin's narcissism and greed for power that have destroyed not only her chances for any kind of success in the remainder of her own life, but the Mama Grizzly ha also destroyed the peace of her family, the privacy of the Johnston family, and the unwanted potential notoriety of two babies. I didn't want to ruin any future happiness of Bristol with my attention to this extraordinary and mainly scrupulous blog, I only wanted to see the exposure of Sarah Palin as a monstrously ill-equipped and disastrous candidate for any public office in the American government.
I would only add that Todd Palin is one lousy dad who would let his daughter suffer so much derision and criticism.

NY tabloid chick said...

*** Dangerous said...
And you think 6th grader Willow getting pregnant would be? [easier to keep secret]

[Correction to question: 7th grader, not 6th, and nearly 14 due to January birthday, 14+ in April 2008.]

Yes. Why?

1) Not expected and, hence, not as likely to be noticed early on.***

You keep repeating this, and it still makes no sense. You know what's unexpected? An elephant doing the tango on my keyboard. You think that wouldn't be noticed immediately?
Are you trying to say that no one would suspect a 13-year-old would become pregnant, and therefore would just write it off as gettin' pudgy or something? Then they'd send her off to be photographed in a sleeveless dress? And send off her older sister to act like a distraction so no one notices the pregnant 13-year-old? If you really believe that, I don't know what to say! To me, that scenario is just not believable.

onething said...

Wow, Diana that was quite a post. It seems you have accepted the Dec 27th birth date. Is it because the Johnston's have said that Bristol's birth was well attended?

I still am having trouble explaining the long interval without a picture. When the people mag article came out, there was not one new picture in it, let alone a picture of Tripp. So it seems untrue that they got any money for pictures. And, if they wanted money for pictures, they could have haggled about it before the baby was born, or for a short time after. Why wait until the baby is nearly 7 weeks old? This was not a typical case of some celebrity, who could well wait a few weeks.

The whole point of telling the world that Bristol was pregnant was to make Bx2 go away. The bloggers they loathe predicted the baby would not be seen near its due date, and the bloggers were right.

The recent Tripp pictures do make him seem every bit of his age if not more...I am truly puzzled.

ALSO - I've been wanting to say this for a long time. Why do people always seem to think either of those babies is/was being breast fed when all we ever see are bottles?

B said...

From HuffPo:

Sarah Palin was asked at a press conference Friday about Johnston's claim that he resided with the family before Bristol Palin gave birth to their child. Palin's response:

I know the truth about my family. I know details about whether Levi Johnston was allowed to live with my teenage daughter or not. By the way, it would be over my dead body that a kid would live with my teenage daughter.

Silvergirl said...

Cup of noodles:

Here is a partial transcript of what was said during the CBS interview with Levi, in bold.

Interviewer: Let's go back to, you're happy, you're living as part of their family. She finds out she's pregnant. What's your reaction?

Levi: I was extremely happy. I got up and we hugged, and I was really scared, too. I went upstairs. I was stoked. I told my mom.

Int: And your mom's reaction?

Levi: She cried. Yeah, she was happy. She's always talked about that day.

Int: What was Sarah Palin's reaction?

Levi: It wasn't as excited as my parents were. They weren't mad. They didn't give me that impression.


It does sound like Levi and his mother were glad to have a baby they can claim as their own blood, because they were not able to do that with Trig. At least that is my theory.

Thank you, Diana, for the summary of what we think could have happened. I agree that Trig could have been born earlier. In my previous post, I was just trying to calculate the time between the two birth dates that were given by the Palin family to show there is almost 9 months between the two dates.

wv: priat

Truthseeker2 said...

CupofNoodles said: "Levi did not stay with the palins right after Trig was born. He did not move into the Palins home until Dec of 08."

How do you know this took place in December? The information put out at the time indicated Levi was working on the North Slope and returned in January.

nilap said...

I always felt that since SP's only chance for a VP nomination was from McCain, she might have had deal with Bristol that she could keep the baby if McCain didn't get the republication nomination. If he did, SP would need to fake to cover it up to keep her alive as a viable choice for VP.

March 4th - McCain nomination is official.
March 5th - Palin announces she is 7 months pregnant.

wayofpeace said...

the WAR OF WORDS just got on high gear:

SARAH PALIN at a friday news conference:

"I know the truth about my family. I know details about whether Levi Johnston was allowed to live with my teenage daughter or not.

"By the way, it would be over my dead body that a kid would live with my teenage daughter."

Lilybart said...

o, Bristol also stayed the night at Levi's house since Levi said,

"Levi: I was extremely happy. I got up and we hugged, and I was really scared, too. I went upstairs. I was stoked. I told my mom."

Meaning, Levi and Bristol woke up together, hugged and then told Mom. Who was upstairs. Now, were they all living with the Palins or was Bristol allowed to spend the night at Levi's house? Or was mom not home much and didn't know or care if her daughter was not home at night?

Palin's denials are comical.

sphot was my verification!!!

NakedTruth said...

I saw the below comment from a poster on Huffingtonpost. She/he nailed it. Sarah and her handlers are good at spin. Sarah's statement tone and evasiveness reminds me the medical letter that CBJ supposedly wrote.

Comment:

"I know the truth about my family. I know details about whether Levi Johnston was allowed to live with my teenage daughter or not. By the way, it would be over my dead body that a kid would live with my teenage daughter."

Should read:

"I know who lives in my home. At no time did Levi Johnston live in my home. Further, my minor daughter did not and will not live with Levi Johnston until they legally marry."

But that is not what she said, is it? Her choice of passive voice tells it all, not to mention "that kid." Reminds me of "That One."

Virginia Voter said...

Sherry's People Mag interview about the birth of TRIPP (Jan 09) stated after TRIG was born last year, "Levi would help out", and that is a quote. Sherry was bragging about the fact the Levi was a hands on Dad and had experience changing diapers. Why would Levi help out with Trig...BECAUSE IT WAS HIS BABY.

I agree with Diana's post...we know of all of this to be true. Right now it looks like a custody battle is more likely than not, and more will come out.

As far as Sarah's "over my dead body" comment...karma's a b1tch.
A poster on Mudflats linked to a survey done with 303 respondents about the Sarah/Levi believability, and it looks like 81% of folks believe Levi over Sarah.

birdwatcher said...

Onething mentioned the breastfeeding of the two babies. In the case of TriG, it is often times much harder for a DS baby to breastfeed because it is more of a challenge for them to latch on and suck hard enough to get nourished.

One other thing. Wasn't there talk also of Bristol having had mono while she was out of school - that was one of the explanations they gave. I had mono once as a 40-something woman and lost a ton of weight, which is very common with mono. Bristol certainly never showed signs of having lost weight in any photos... on the contrary.

Diana, you are amazing with that timeline. Whew!

CupofNoodles said...

Truthseeker2...

"How do you know this took place in December? The information put out at the time indicated Levi was working on the North Slope and returned in January."

Levi specifically said that he moved in a couple of weeks before Tripp was born and stayed awhile after he was born to help, until things started to turn sour. He didn't say he lived there during the summer. Bristol was also living with her aunt during the second half of her pregnancy for awhile as well. Just because Levi was working on the North Slope doesn't mean he wasn't allowed to come home while off. They work in shifts.

Alex said...

Diana,

Thanks for the summary. The most telling part for me was a feeling I got reading it. That Sarah has always acted with her own sense of morality-- which seems to play in Alaska. Faking a pregnancy in AK may seem plucky, clever. Lying to "protect" your family is all good, and damn the consequences to others. A Mother Grizzly will indeed kill anything coming near her cubs, but a Mother Grizzly would never lure prey by setting her cubs out as bait.

And that's the only reason I need for why this all happened. Sarah's ambition and her warped sense of right and wrong-- which has the double whammy of coming from her living in Alaska and being part of the loopy endtimes apocalypsers.

Alex said...

There's a reason why old sayings were considered truth. Because more times than not, they were. My favorite has always been "Where there's smoke there's fire."

The smoke has always been around Bristol and Trig. And that's where the fire is.

Alex said...

As always, Tabloid Chick, I like how you think. (And yes to the NYC power of Gawker. Even my most highbrow friends read it. My daughter swears by it,so now she'll accept why I live on this blog.)

But one thing I want to add to your theories is his: Sherry J was arrested AFTER she spoke out to the Daily Mail. She broke the family pact,imo and got zapped. (As did Mercede by posting the family photos.) I believe they spoke out from frustration at being kept from Trig, who they believe is their bloodkin. But given the Wooten case, we all know that Sherry J doesn't have to be a dealer to be arrested, tried, and convicted as one, as long as Palin is governor. (If that sounds too brazenly wacky to you, consider that this is a governor who would fake a pregnancy.)

And whether Sherry J is a dealer or not, I'm not sure. The ONLY statement we have regarding her drug background is the arrest. And the sad reason that the poor woman looks the part. But that's also how people look when they sell their souls to the devil and realize there's no way out.

Mary G. said...

Check out the Time magazine poll regarding who is more truthful, Levi or Sarah Palin:
http://tinyurl.c4ew3o
It's running roughly 80% in Levi's favor (and I haven't even voted!), with all states reporting a Levi advantage, except Tennessee... WTF? Have Elvis and all his imitators returned to planet Earth to vote?

Mary G. said...

Sorry, in my previous comment, I wrote the tinyurl wrong (I forgot the .com):
http://tinyurl.com/c4ew30, or go directly to
http://www.timepolls.com/hppolls/archive/poll_results_317.html
Elvis was mad at me!

Mary G. said...

Yes, another comment from me! Just blame it on a bad case of PMS--Palin Maximization Syndrome.
Cue the soft violin music.... In an issue dated January 19, People magazine reported: "Since the birth of Sarah Palin's first grandchild on Dec. 27, life at the Alaska governor's four-bedroom Wasilla home has gotten a lot busier--and a bit more crowded. Not only has tiny Tripp moved in with mom Bristol, but dad Levi has been staying over too. 'Levi is hands-on.'"... And yet Palin has said at a press conference yesterday that Levi is lying about ever staying over/living in her house and that it would only happen "over her dead body."
Scads of pundits from left and right have weighed in on this family feud, mostly condemning blogs, tabloids, and talk shows for discussing teenagers' gossip and myspace pages, but really, if Palin is going to play dirty, I don't see how we can avoid this. I for one am not condemning teen foibles, just saying, education and caution could help avoid the bitterness and tragedy that often result from unthinking teen actions.
I do feel some distress about the teens and children, but I can't swallow the Bristol-as-victim plot line here. So, we prefer for Bristol to present herself as devoted mother to Tripp and fiancee to Levi (even though she had obviously broken up by then), telling us all, I had sex but I don't recommend it to anyone before they turn 27 (or 26--anyway, wait 10 years longer than I did). She is famous for being an unwed teenaged mother who has the authority to tell other teenagers not to have sex. And that her former true love is now trash, pathological, and worse, according to her own family.
Palin should stop talking, mend her fences with the Johnstons, and keep her family out of her politics from now on. The whole thing is unraveling in a most distasteful manner.

B said...

Lilybart said...
o, Bristol also stayed the night at Levi's house since Levi said,
"Levi: I was extremely happy. I got up and we hugged, and I was really scared, too. I went upstairs. I was stoked. I told my mom."
Meaning, Levi and Bristol woke up together, hugged and then told Mom. Who was upstairs.
***

I read this differently: Levi was sitting downstairs, where living rooms usually are. Bristol told him and he stood up and hugged her, because he was so happy.

Were they trying to get pregnant?

NYTabloidChick, good to see/read you. I appreciate your comments.

wv is mishin, as in some facts are still mishin. Wonder if Levi will be invited to TriG's first birthday party a week from today? (Has it really been only a year?)

midnightcajun said...

Onething was wondering why, if Tripp was really born December27th, there were no pictures for so long. I have an explanation: he was premature. The baby in the photos that show Levi holding him as a newborn looks VERY tiny to me. My smallest baby was a skinny 7.0 pounder and was half again that big. Pictures of a premature-looking Tripp in People would not have helped convince anyone that Bristol couldn't also be Trig's mom. Remember, he was supposed to be about ten days LATE when he was born (original due date December 18). I think he was due in January, and Sarah lucked out when he came early. No wonder she thinks she has God in her corner--both babies born early, helping to obscure the truth even more.

And as for why we always assume Bristol was breastfeeding, I think that comes from B's bolster-like bodice at the GOP Convention. I always thought they'd padded it to keep her from leaking, and that she was engorged from missing a feeding. I'm beginning to change my mind. Here's my reasoning:

Look at the photo of Sarah and Bristol et al wearing those blue hooded sweatshirts (was it the governor's picnic?). Bristol looks quite flat chested, as she does in many other photos. But in that Fall of 07 family photo where Bristol, in the flowered dress, looks like she has a baby bump, she also has those huge breasts. I think B is one of those women whose breasts swell early in her pregnancy. And yeah, it's kinda icky to be analyzing a teenager's breasts, but Sarah AND Bristol brought us to this with their endless lies.

There are simply too many photos of people giving those babies bottles. I don't have any photos of people giving my babies bottles; it happens with the mom isn't there to feed.

I also agree with whoever said that the Bristol being pregnant rumors would be discussed in other forums, not the very public Myspace. Kids in Wasilla know not to rile the Barracuda. Those are the kind of things you whisper. Anything posted publicly can come back to bite you in the ass.

Ohio mom said...

There still has been no comment from Sarah about the Johnstons providing the picture of Levi and Trig to the Tyra Banks show.

I find this extremely puzzling. We have all seen how quickly Sarah speaks out to the media to make sure her version of everything is front and center.

Why wouldn't she immediately call out the Johnstons for providing a picture of her son Trig to be shown on national TV? I would if he were my son.

It seems that she doesn't want to call attention to that picture. I wonder why?

Ivyfree said...

"And please, please, please, people, when you're blogging about Trig and/or Tripp, keep them straight!! When we mix them up, it makes us look like total morons."

I'm at the point where I'd almost believe the names were planned that way.

Ivyfree said...

Diana wrote, " Her mom taught abstinence and was very vocal and active on this subject."

Diana, I think you're very close to the truth in your outline, but I question this. Sarah Palin may officially believe in abstinence but that doesn't mean she was vocal and active on the subject. Have we any evidence of this? She certainly didn't provide supervision that would support her daughter's abstinence. I think this may be something that their church officially teaches, and maybe Bristol attended one of those fakey abstinence-only sex education program that teaches that condoms aren't effective. That doesn't mean that Sarah and Bristol had any conversations about sexuality. Sarah strikes me as being pretty oblivious. I think she would think that Bristol wasn't having sex until her nose was rubbed in it, and then fly off the handle ("now my mom thinks I'm pregnant haha"), yell at the kid, and then drop the subject, considering it handled. I don't think Sarah has taught abstinence only education nor do I think she was likely to speak about it frequently with her daughters, not that it does a damn thing but give the parent the idea that something's been achieved. However, Sarah being oblivious and Todd out snowmachining, hunting, fishing, and ignoring his family, works just as well for the timeline you've proposed.

Come to think of it, it's probably Willow and Piper who ought to be pissed at Bristol. They're probably never going to be allowed to date, after Bristol's shenanigans.

SmacK said...

So I was reading the time line for Bristol's whereabouts in late 07, early 08 and thinking about how she seems to have disappeared - except for that one moment - the surprise, uninvited attendance at the Heart Association luncheon in Fairbanks which would have been Friday, February 15th. Was she really there? There is no photographic evidence and just an off hand comment that places her there. I thought I would do some searching to see if there was a contemporaneous account of the event that also mentioned her. What I did not find was more interesting than what I found.

The Fairbanks paper, the Newsminer, has no mention of the event. Which seems odd, what with the gov being in attendance. In 2009, when fitness guru Richard Simmons is the headliner, there is a story and pictures http://www.newsminer.com/news/2009/feb/14/richard-simmons-works-beat-american-heart-associat/ But when the gov attends, nothing. Odd.

There was another event in Fairbanks the next day that did get a mention, however. Saturday Feb. 16 2008 saw the finish of the 2008 Iron Dog in Fairbanks and guess who was there to wave them across the finish line? You betcha - SP. There is video on youtube of this http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=iron+dog+2008&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f# and the interesting thing is that when Todd crosses the line, most of his family is there. Wife and two daughters greet him. Yeah, just two. One is clearly Piper, the other you would need better quality video to tell if it is BP or WP, but one daughter is missing.

It does not seem likely that three daughters went to a luncheon Friday, but only two bothered to go out to greet their father at the end of the race, in the same town - the next day. I would think that would be especially true because, as you will see in the video, Todd is being towed to the finish by his partner because he had a serious crash the day before (Friday) and broke his arm. The family had to be concerned about his well being and if they were all in Fairbanks, why didn't they all come out to greet him?

LondonBridges said...

I think Levi is just the sort of boy Sarah Heath would have had a crush on in high school. I think in some ways she was living vicariously through her daughter.

**************

Mrs. Sarah "Robinson" Palin?

another movie role for Sarah?

Craig said...

Naked Truth said;

"Craig, o.k. enough is enough. If you have not received an answer to your question, it's not because an answer has not been provided; it's because you are just not willing to accept the answers provided to you."

************

When the answers given do not make logical sense, especially in context with a specific blogger like Sullivan, why should someone just accept those answers?

Obamacon said;

"Andrew Sullivan has indeed talked about the photos in at least three posts:"

************

I believe that he has mentioned all or most of the specific pictures that have also been assembled and studied at this site. But, to my knowledge, he hasn't seen or posted these pictures as a specific set, and, most importantly, as a result of the photo analysis that has been done which brought many people here to the determination that the pictures are definitive proof of a pregnancy fraud.

At this point, Sullivan has only used the original pictures as grounds for further questions to be answered. He specifically said that, at this point, he doesn't claim Sarah to have lied about her pregnancy with Trig.

I would assume that if he had the additional enhanced photos, he would reach the same conclusion as others have here. After all, he is already inclined to doubt Sarah's story.

If this proof is truly beyond rational doubt, he would certainly agree.

B said...

Mary G. said...
In an issue dated January 19, People magazine reported: "Since the birth of Sarah Palin's first grandchild on Dec. 27, life at the Alaska governor's four-bedroom Wasilla home has gotten a lot busier--and a bit more crowded. Not only has tiny Tripp moved in with mom Bristol, but dad Levi has been staying over too. 'Levi is hands-on.'"... And yet Palin has said at a press conference yesterday that Levi is lying about ever staying over/living in her house and that it would only happen "over her dead body."

This struck me too, Mary. Like the Troopergate announcement that Palin was found guilty of wrongdoing, followed immediately by Palin saying they found no evidence of wrongdoing.

She creates her own truth without letting known facts get in the way.

wv = spin exi. I'm dizzy!

B said...

Sarah might have encouraged Bristol to date Levi because she liked him better than good friend Johnny or because Levi was about her age, especially if she thought Bristol had been hanging out with a man over age 21.

None of the myspace pages I have seen so far convinced me that Johnny was anything other than a friend to Bristol. Non-dating friendships between boys and girls have become much more common over the past several decades.

seawolf08 said...

So I hope no one gets upset with me, but I feel like I have to say this. I think it's kinda skeevy for adults here to be spying on these myspace pages of kids and trying to analyze what they are saying. I know when I was in high school we all said so many things that weren't at all true. We all called each other "sluts" even though almost everyone of us were still virgins. How would you like a bunch of adults spying on what your kids were saying on myspace? I'm sure you all would be shocked by what your kids are posting. Anyway, it's just really creepy to me and I had to say it. Sorry if I offended anyone.

B said...

SmacK said... she seems to have disappeared - except for that one moment - the surprise, uninvited attendance at the Heart Association luncheon in Fairbanks which would have been Friday, February 15th. Was she really there? There is no photographic evidence and just an off hand comment that places her there. . .The Fairbanks paper, the Newsminer, has no mention of the event. . . . It does not seem likely that three daughters went to a luncheon Friday, but only two bothered to go out to greet their father at the end of the race, in the same town - the next day.
***

AHA. Ah, ha.

I think there are three mentions of Bristol going: the travel report; the event organizer saying the gov asked to bring "her three daughters," which was almost certainly so the state would pay for their travel to the Iron Dog; and another mention someone found somewhere about the Gov and daughters being there (maybe by a Fairbanks council member?).

Dangerous asked if anyone in Fairbanks could go to the library or archives and check the actual paper or fiche Newsminer for coverage. I gather no one has.

You are right that there's no coverage online and no official photos at the Go Red sites. Many of us have tried to find them. Ms. Bartels isn't talking.

Inconclusive, but since we expect coverage and photos to have existed, their disappearance suggests Bristol or Willow wasn't there or was but looked pregnant.

With the Bristol/TriG rumor, Sarah would have wanted us to see Bristol mid-Feb and not pregnant. She wouldn't have had photos removed. Or maybe the AHA removed things because one of the girls whom the state paid to travel to the event actually wasn't there, and the AHA wanted to stay out of any travel fraud investigation.

As to who was at the race, the heavily bundled up person hugging Todd is motioning for someone else to join them. So someone is there besides Sarah, Piper, and bundled person. Many think Willow is trying to get Bristol to join her. Could be the opposite. The motioner could be Todd's red-shoe niece, too, since the extended Palins appear to gather in Fairbanks for the Iron Dog.

So, SmacK, you are right. The AHA/Iron Dog 2008 are points of interest for this blog. We really could use someone, anyone, who saw exactly who was with Sarah (and whether any of them appeared pregnant, including Sarah)to come forward and tell us -- or better, email Audrey and tell her.

Windy City Woman said...

Nilap,
That is an excellent point, that Sarah's pregnancy announcement was just after McCain's certain nomination. Maybe the other GOP candidates did not have her on their lists of potential running mates. Given her splendid qualifications (not!), that is likely.

Diana,
That is a great timeline. Bristol's long absence is very evident.

Everyone,
What I don't get is this: Bristol was in hiding during months and months as Diana has clearly pointed out. Certainly everyone who knew her, schoolmates and friends, noticed this. And no one will come forward with any information about this to the media? OK, we would not expect her close friends to do this, because it would cause problems with Bristol and the rest of the Palins, but what about the kids who didn't like her? Everyone knows that teenagers have snits and bad feelings towards each other. Isn't there some girl in Wasilla, somewhere, who perhaps was jealous of Bristol for landing a gorgeous boy like Levi, or who was a friend and is now an ex-friend, who would go to the MSM and say what she knows? Neighbors of the Palins who don't like them? IS ANYONE OUT THERE IN WASILLA WHO KONWS ANYTHING ABOUT BRISTOL'S LONG ABSENCE?

Another comment: this recent Jerry Springer-ish soap opera regarding the Johnstons and the Palins cannot possibly help Sarah, only hurt her, IMHO.

NY tabloid chick said...

*** Silvergirl said...
I had a full term baby in March, having conceived in June of the preceding year. The time from actual conception to birth was about 1 week shy of 9 months. I know this because I knew when I was ovulating, and it was during my honeymoon.

Now, if the birth dates of Trig and Tripp are correct, according to SP, then the babies are born exactly 8 months and 10 days apart. It is not inconceivable (no pun intended) for the same mother to have these 2 babies, even with these birthdays. I used http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html - an online date calculator to figure this out.***

And a shift of just a few days in either birth from the announced dates would make this even more plausible. Doesn't need to be weeks or months.

B said...

seawolf08 said... How would you like a bunch of adults spying on what your kids were saying on myspace? . . . Anyway, it's just really creepy to me and I had to say it. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Well, seawolf08, since you ask, I'm not offended that you find the MySpace research creepy, though it is out there and Bristol, Levi, and Mercede have gone public in interviews on national TV.

This wasn't a post that Audrey took lightly. If the MSM would pay attention to the evidence proving (imo) that Sarah wasn't pregnant, we wouldn't even be going down the road of trying to show there was a baby she would want to fake for.

This creepy stuff might not be necessary either if people like you -- who claim to talk to people who saw and talked to Bristol in February '08 -- would tell more. That roommate's sister knows if Bristol looked to be in her third trimester. Others you know in Wasilla and Anchorage saw Bristol.

I apologize if you have already emailed Audrey about what you know. Otherwise, yes, you have offended me by refusing to help.

NY tabloid chick said...

*** Alex said...
As always, Tabloid Chick, I like how you think. (And yes to the NYC power of Gawker. Even my most highbrow friends read it. My daughter swears by it,so now she'll accept why I live on this blog.)

But one thing I want to add to your theories is his: Sherry J was arrested AFTER she spoke out to the Daily Mail. She broke the family pact,imo and got zapped. (As did Mercede by posting the family photos.) I believe they spoke out from frustration at being kept from Trig, who they believe is their bloodkin. But given the Wooten case, we all know that Sherry J doesn't have to be a dealer to be arrested, tried, and convicted as one, as long as Palin is governor. (If that sounds too brazenly wacky to you, consider that this is a governor who would fake a pregnancy.)

And whether Sherry J is a dealer or not, I'm not sure. The ONLY statement we have regarding her drug background is the arrest. And the sad reason that the poor woman looks the part. But that's also how people look when they sell their souls to the devil and realize there's no way out.***

ZAP is right! We have yet to see how the drug case actually pans out. What's interesting is also, too, that SP used to go for the ZAP behind the scenes. Now she's just taking out the fly swatter and putting out press releases to deny. I think she's seeing that her ZAPtastic powers have their limits.

I think Mercede's MySpace posts to Johnny bear re-examination. I'm going to have to use a gossip-world coinage and call MJ and BP 'frenemies' - I see a rivalry between these two, and I think MJ is cunning enough to have known how to push BP's buttons. All of the 'can't wait to see you, hugs and kisses' posts MJ wrote to Johnny were probably a none-too-subtle reminder to BP-in-exile that BP wouldn't be seeing Johnny for a while. While I can imagine the Johnstons have a lot they want to just blurt out, they are biding their time (I'm sure that Butler, the drug-charges attorney, is carefully pulling the strings in any public appearances made by the entire Johnston family, and not just in regard to the drug charges; the character issue is going to be important) and MJ is letting out her subtle digs at the situation while never saying anything overt.

NY tabloid chick said...

*** B said...
From HuffPo:

Sarah Palin was asked at a press conference Friday about Johnston's claim that he resided with the family before Bristol Palin gave birth to their child. Palin's response:

I know the truth about my family. I know details about whether Levi Johnston was allowed to live with my teenage daughter or not. By the way, it would be over my dead body that a kid would live with my teenage daughter.***

ha ha ha... 'living' with her would've been the least of your problems, dear SP, had you just done the right thing by your family! She had the chance to deny this when it was in People; protests now seem rather faint. What a quick slide for poor Levi, from 'the young man my daughter will marry' and someone worthy to sit on stage with her family at the RNC, to some random 'kid.'

And OH! Just a big round of applause to everyone who's been analyzing all the data, setting up timelines, organizing photos etc. Diana, your recent theory was wonderfully presented and so helpful, not only to the newcomers (welcome!) but to those of us who've been reading for months.

Ocean said...

Seawolf08,

Did you think it skeevy to share your "insider" knowledge about Levi and Bristol caught "being very intimate" by her parents?

NY tabloid chick said...

***Mary G. said...
Check out the Time magazine poll regarding who is more truthful, Levi or Sarah Palin:
http://tinyurl.c4ew3o
It's running roughly 80% in Levi's favor (and I haven't even voted!), with all states reporting a Levi advantage, except Tennessee... WTF? Have Elvis and all his imitators returned to planet Earth to vote?***

And Alaska? 75% Levi.
Something's rotten in the state of Tennessee; check the number of voters (220+ in Tenn; 40 in neighboring Kentucky; just under 30 in AK) and see how out of proportion it is to Tenn's population. The only connection I could find between the two was, interestingly enough, the guy who hacked her email was from Tennessee.

The fact that Time now considers SP's messy personal life to be pollworthy is to me a great sign that this is growing and hopefully going wide soon. This isn't just baby mama drama a la Springer; it's tapping into fathers' rights issues. And now we have a story that can generate legitimate-press coverage. If it were a few hours later, I'd make a moos-tini and celebrate!

NY tabloid chick said...

*** seawolf08 said...
So I hope no one gets upset with me, but I feel like I have to say this. I think it's kinda skeevy for adults here to be spying on these myspace pages of kids and trying to analyze what they are saying. I know when I was in high school we all said so many things that weren't at all true. We all called each other "sluts" even though almost everyone of us were still virgins. How would you like a bunch of adults spying on what your kids were saying on myspace? I'm sure you all would be shocked by what your kids are posting. Anyway, it's just really creepy to me and I had to say it. Sorry if I offended anyone.***

No offense taken. MySpace pages are public. Everyone knows kids have always exaggerated - and lied - and MySpace is no different. But what's being examined in these pages is not the overt statements. A statement like 'omg, i am like so preg and my mom will kill me' wouldn't necessarily prove anything to me. But the tone of the public communications these 'kids' present to the world tells me more than the exact words used.

Maybe this is a good lesson for a 'kid' like yourself to learn. Put it out there in public and the public will notice. And there will be a good chance that a large part of it will be true. And there is always the option of setting a page to private, using email or text messages if you don't want the issue on a public forum. Using public communications systems has already landed 'kids' your age in prison, or in the sex-offender registries. It has also turned 'kids' your age into victims of hideous crimes.

You can call this 'spying' but that's not what it is. It's examining what's in plain view. Sorry if this is striking close to home with you.

NY tabloid chick said...

*** B said...
Lilybart said...
o, Bristol also stayed the night at Levi's house since Levi said,
"Levi: I was extremely happy. I got up and we hugged, and I was really scared, too. I went upstairs. I was stoked. I told my mom."
Meaning, Levi and Bristol woke up together, hugged and then told Mom. Who was upstairs.
***

I read this differently: Levi was sitting downstairs, where living rooms usually are. Bristol told him and he stood up and hugged her, because he was so happy.

Were they trying to get pregnant?

NYTabloidChick, good to see/read you. I appreciate your comments.

wv is mishin, as in some facts are still mishin. Wonder if Levi will be invited to TriG's first birthday party a week from today? (Has it really been only a year?)***

Thanks; I love reading your analysis. I'm always reading; I just don't feel comfortable posting from certain locations.
I agree with your analysis of Levi's reaction. I don't interpret his actions as going upstairs to tell his mother, just that he went upstairs.
I am not sure if his claims of happiness are true. I think he might've received coaching to always express happiness about becoming a father, and emphasize his eagerness to be a good dad. Not that he's NOT happy, but in the wise words of BP, 'everyone should wait about 10 years.'

Betsy S said...

Trying to understand why a woman would dress up and parade her family everywhere during her campalgn yet refuse to publish two birth certificates, claim privacy for announcements, and continue to refute previous comments. There was no need to advertise BP's pregnancy other than to cover for her own reckless lie.

NY tabloid chick said...

Windy City Woman said:
***What I don't get is this: Bristol was in hiding during months and months as Diana has clearly pointed out. Certainly everyone who knew her, schoolmates and friends, noticed this. And no one will come forward with any information about this to the media? OK, we would not expect her close friends to do this, because it would cause problems with Bristol and the rest of the Palins, but what about the kids who didn't like her? Everyone knows that teenagers have snits and bad feelings towards each other. Isn't there some girl in Wasilla, somewhere, who perhaps was jealous of Bristol for landing a gorgeous boy like Levi, or who was a friend and is now an ex-friend, who would go to the MSM and say what she knows? Neighbors of the Palins who don't like them? IS ANYONE OUT THERE IN WASILLA WHO KONWS ANYTHING ABOUT BRISTOL'S LONG ABSENCE?***

I think we're getting to know that girl very slowly. She's being coached to be careful with what she divulges because her mother could be facing jail time. She's giving out her clues very cautiously.

Morgan said...

**MODERATOR REQUEST**

Would Seawolf08 kindly contact either me or Audrey via email?

My email is thetokenhippie@gmail.com

Audrey's is info@palindeception.com

Thanks

LondonBridges said...

So I posted 3 different messages today. One made it through. Did you get my others, Morgan?

While I'm at it, some people have said Sherry's lawyer would not have approved of the talk show circuit. I read that Sherry had to get permission from the court to leave Alaska. Thus her attorney was fully on board about her travels.

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