Saturday, April 18, 2009

MySpace Part Three

It has always been my preference to focus on the evidence that Sarah Palin was not pregnant in March and April of 2008, and let the question of the identity of Trig Palin’s biological mother play second fiddle. But, in spite of our preference to leave the Palin daughters out of the equation, we have not been able to avoid that completely. Bristol Palin was named nationally as Trig's mother in numerous places as early as August 29, 2008, and she was brought into the game by her own mother on September 1, when Sarah Palin chose to "prove" that she WAS Trig's mother, not by providing Trig's birth certificate or a clear statement by her physician, but by stating that her daughter was then five months pregnant, thus precluding Bristol's having given birth previously in mid-April.

Bristol Palin is by no means the only possibility for Trig Palin's birth mother. However, the persistence of the rumors that she was pregnant dating to before Trig's birth, coupled with the complete lack of photographs of her from the time period, makes it difficult not to continue to consider her the most likely "other mother."

Since September, numerous people have been looking to social networking websites, like MySpace for additional info about "Life and Times at Wasilla High." As we've stated previously, MySpace has NOT provided us concrete proof about this issue, specifically who Trig's mother is OR whether Bristol Palin was pregnant. But the MySpace comments do give a glimpse into the lives of Bristol, Levi and their circle of friends. And what we can see does indicate that something "changed" as early as July 2007 and that something was amiss during the winter of 2007-2008.

A number of the comments already published here have been suspicious, but none have been conclusive. For example, we’ve seen that Bristol made a series of interesting comments to her friend Johnny in the spring of 2007, including one stating that Gov. Palin had confronted her about possibly being pregnant. Other comments made to her girlfriends also merit attention:

June 22, 2007 9:40 PM
Hey, call me NOW!!

June 25, 2007 1:33 AM
:( now im a mother duck for that baby!


(Note from Audrey: This curious comment is discussed in more detail at the very end of this post.)

June 25, 2007 1:50 AM
ha ha im a slut. but sounds good…what number?


Without context, however, these comments can be interpreted in numerous ways. And, during this same period, other examples show Bristol to be happy and social, engaging in typical summertime activities. This makes it all the more strange when, in late June 2007, she suddenly disappears from MySpace, and is mentioned by name only once after that, even by her good friends.

Please be clear that we have no evidence that as of late June 2007, she actually did stop using MySpace abruptly. It's possible that she could have. Perhaps she became bored with MySpace. Perhaps her computer broke. Perhaps her friends just stopped talking both ABOUT her and TO her as of that date. But it's also quite possible (even probable) that she continued to use MySpace for months after this… and then at some point between late June 2007 and late August 2008, for reasons that we do not know at a point in time we cannot pinpoint, a decision was made to remove Bristol's page from the site, as well as delete any and all comments she made to friends, and apparently either to delete (or asked to be deleted) comments others made about her between themselves.

Because of this, our conclusions are drawn as much from what's NOT there as from what is.

What does our research show post-June 2007? One of the only comments that directly references Bristol after that time (and the only one that uses her name) has already been published, from September 2007, in which one girl (Kaila) is joking with Jenny Jo, who is a good friend of Levi’s off-and-on girlfriend Lanesia, because Jenny Jo had threatened to beat Bristol up for Lanesia.

9/28/2007 Kaila to Jenny Jo:
haha, you were gonna fight Bristol for Lanesia.. idk, it was freakin hilarious though. you were getttin ready to take on like 394083 people yourself. haha..funny ass shit. call me tonight bia.


Is this because Levi and Bristol’s relationship has just been discovered? The problem with this comment is that it references something that happened earlier, "you were gonna fight…" but there is no date context. Was this something that happened the previous night or three months earlier? We don't know.

In any case, by January 2008, Lanesia had moved on to a different relationship, indicating that Bristol and Levi most likely became “official” sometime in either the summer or the fall of 2007.

Although she had a new boyfriend, one specific comment shows that Lanesia might still have harbored some residual feelings for Levi. In late January 2008, there is a burst of chatter that may be significant, though it's inconclusive at the same time. First, messages are left between a young man named Tylor to our old friend Jenny Jo.

In the first, Tylor asks Jenny Jo: "Who do you want to beat up?" (indicating that Jenny Jo has told Tylor that she's angry with someone) and the second – in response to something Jenny Jo then said back to Tylor that we cannot see – "THEY F***ED?"

Is Tylor a newcomer to some gossip? Does the gossip even have anything at all to do with Bristol Palin? The next couple of exchanges certainly indicate the strong possibility that Levi and Bristol are involved. Tylor immediately posts to Rachelle (the sister of Johnny – who has been identified as Bristol's boyfriend prior to Levi) "ARE YOU SERIOUS"

Again, why do we think this has anything to do with Bristol? Because just a couple hours later, Lanesia then posts back to Rachelle:

yea i heard and #### no never again she messed that up to many times and i aint one to talk shit about a girl and go be tight with them but no im not she totally messed up by Fn my Xbf


These exchanges indicate that something surprising was revealed in late January 2008. Lanesia's "yea I heard" can only mean there is new information which involved a girl who was "fn" Lanesia's "xbf," and from our research, the only ex-boyfriend of Lanesia was Levi Johnston. And, although Levi had been linked with several other girls in 2005 and 2006, from 2007 on, the only two girls mentioned in conjunction with Levi were Lanesia herself and Bristol Palin. It would be easy to say that "new shocking" info would be that Bristol was pregnant. Yet – two of the comments specifically mention just sexual activity – as if that might be the "new" thing, which then becomes hard to explain in the context of someone wanting to beat Bristol up FOR Lanesia at least four months earlier.

And then… in this sequence… nothing more.

We can only come back to what was said before: For a popular girl who had an active social life and many friends, and who had been a regular MySpace user, the complete absence of any mention of Bristol through this time period is astonishing. It's important to reiterate that the only comments we can link to her (with the one exception of the comment from September 2007, which makes reference to her being "beat up") do not contain her name.

For example, in April 2008, 8 days before Trig’s official birthdate, an older Wasilla teen named Dannie, someone not closely connected to the primary social group, makes this curious comment on a friend’s MySpace:

April 10, 2008 12:03 AM
…i want to tell you something kinda funny so when you call remind me about the governor’s kid…

Something to do with Bristol?

After that comment, there is nothing more to be found in MySpace about any of the Palins until the end of August. The pregnancy that was announced by the Palin campaign on September 1, 2008 was said to be an “open secret” in Wasilla. Really? Because in spite of the fact that many of the teens’ MySpace profiles were used extensively between April-August 2008, neither Mercede nor any other person makes even one mention of Bristol or the pregnancy. Not one.

Mercede's MySpace page was public until midafternoon on September 1, 2008. We have screen shots of the entire thing. She is so close to her older brother Levi that she had posted several pictures of them together, in which she calls him "her best friend" in the world. She has had his name tattooed on her wrist. Yet not one post about this exciting "open secret" that her dear brother was to become a father, which would make her a new auntie? No.

Numerous comments exist on many girls' pages in which pregnancies, showers, and babies are discussed, in some cases with great excitement and positive feelings. But regarding Bristol, Levi and the Tripp pregnancy... well, it doesn't seem to exist. The only thing we do have is a photograph of Bristol and Mercede together from April 25, 2008 in which Mercede refers to Bristol as her sister-in-law. This is after Trig's birth but before it is plausible that it was known that she was pregnant with Tripp.

Then, the morning of August 29, 2008 arrives, and with it, John McCain’s announcement of his running mate.

On that day, there is an occasional comment along the lines of --hey, did you see who got picked?--but generally nothing more than that. But on the afternoon of the 29th, Dannie (the one who had heard something "kinda funny" about the governor’s kid) does have a specific question, and she poses it to another Wasilla teen, Zach, again someone not tightly connected to the primary group. Because Zach's MySpace profile is private, we cannot see the initial question to him, but his answer is this:

August 29, 2008 3:39 PM
I know who started it. Tylor [last name deleted by PD]
I think that’s how you spell his name

There is no context surrounding this remark to aid interpretation. All we know is that Zach says that Tylor started “it”. Because Zach identifies Tylor by his first and last name, we know for sure that this is the same Tylor who was involved in the exchanges regarding the surprising news back in January.

Fast forward a bit to September 3, the day of Sarah Palin’s speech at the Republican National Convention. Not only is the Palin/Johnston pregnancy an “open secret” in Wasilla, it’s now the most famous pregnancy in the entire United States. The governor of Alaska is on the ticket; her oldest daughter has been outed as a pregnant unwed teen on the national news; said daughter and her hockey star fiance are being seen all over the world. That should warrant quite a few MySpace comments. No need to keep it on the down-low anymore. Right? Or at least a couple of comments? Actually: zero.

Well, maybe just one, a cryptic question--asked by a girl named Kelci of Kaila (the same Kaila who was involved in the exchange with Jenny Jo about beating up Bristol a year earlier):

September 3, 2008 6:06 PM
bp?


Kaila's answer is not known because Kelci's profile is private, but, after receiving a response, she comments back to Kaila

September 4, 2008 6:02 PM
mmmmm gotcha. that’s what I figured but I wasn’t fasho
whadddup?


For the uninitiated, "fasho" in teen speak means "for sure." So Kelci is saying, "That's what I thought [about whatever it is they were talking about concerning "bp"] but I wasn't sure."

But what could it be? If we're to believe that Bristol’s pregnancy is an "open secret" in Wasilla, and that Levi and Bristol are an established, even engaged, couple, why is it that the only possible mention of it at this point (OR throughout the entire previous summer OR during the entire following campaign) is this one girl who dares use only initials? Hmmm.

And what could this girl be asking? We believe she is a relative of Kaila (though we can't confirm that 100%); she also lives in the Wasilla area, and she is friends with many of the same people as Kaila. So she wouldn’t be confirming simply that Bristol is pregnant, because everyone already knows that, right?

So what are my conclusions?

1. Bristol Palin was "scrubbed" from MySpace as of an arbitrary date. This date seems to be around July 1, 2007, though the date the scrubbing was actually done is completely unknown. Numerous comments from before this date existed as of September 1, 2008 (though many have since been removed) including one fairly troublesome one about her mother questioning whether or not she was pregnant. Only one comment exists which mentions her by name after that date, and NO comments from her.

2. There was chatter about something surprising, even shocking, in late January 2008 that involved Levi Johnston, and in all probability, Bristol Palin. This was far too early for her to have been pregnant with Tripp. However, considering earlier comments, it seems too late to have been simply that the two young people were in a relationship.

3. There is not a single mention of Bristol, Levi, or Bristol's pregnancy throughout the entire summer of 2008, even though it was supposed to have been an "open secret" in Wasilla. A single comment, mentioning Bristol only by using her initials, strongly suggests on September 3rd that there is something more going on than just the supposed "open secret. " It was something that there was gossip about, something that some young people in Wasilla (who should have been connected with the group) were unaware of. Something about Tripp's pregnancy was not "as presented" on September 1, 2008, though what exactly that is is completely unclear. Dates? Who the father might be?

The MySpace information is confusing, at time contradictory, and terribly incomplete. Yet, overall, it's hard to escape the conclusion that the timelines of neither the Trig nor the Tripp pregnancies seem plausible based on what is being said (and not said) among teenagers in Wasilla.

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PS. Those who have read this far (!) will probably note that no comment has been made about a curious post from late June, 2007, in which Bristol states:

:( now im a mother duck for that baby!

(For those who don't know, the ":( " is a "frowny face" indicating unhappiness.)

This comment has caused quite a bit of private debate and discussion among those affiliated with this blog. Certainly, it is hard to say it is not significant: it is the second to last thing still available from Bristol on MySpace (only her "now I'm a slut" comment came later, by a couple of minutes) AND – good grief! - it mentions a baby!

But what does it mean? It has been suggested that she is being forced to gestate a child, like a mother duck sitting on eggs. Several of the Palin Deception researchers subscribe to this theory, and find it extremely significant.

It has also been suggested that, in spite of the timing, it has nothing to do with Bristol being pregnant or not pregnant. I for one find the use of the phrase "that baby" to indicate that she is talking about something separate from her, possibly a child (Piper, who was five at the time?) she was being forced to babysit for. (And ducklings follow mother ducks around constantly.)

If Bristol Palin had said, ":( now im a mother duck for THIS baby!" I would be saying that I found it highly indicative of pregnancy. But the use of the word "that" to me means she is talking about something she is not happy about, something she has actual disdain for. Most teenaged women who become pregnant and decide to keep the baby tend to be excited about it (naively perhaps, but still excited.) The negative tone of this comment indicates to me that she is talking about something else. I do not know what.

But I am presenting both sets of thoughts here, and the reader needs to decide for himself on this one.

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Bretta said...

Was there any MySpace gossip or traffic regarding Willow?

I am keeping an open mind on Dangerous' hypothesis that a Willow pregnancy was covered up by using BP rumors as a red herring.

Last September, on Reddit, at least two people commented about "common knowledge" that BP was pregnant; one who had attended school with her in Juneau, and one who had heard Willow's boyfriend at the time bragging around Wasilla that BP was pregnant.

Also, too, :) the statement "BP is pregnant is an open secret in Wasilla" came from a print article, if I remember correctly, People Magazine, and referred to the Tripp gestation in Summer 2008.

Lady Rose said...

thanks again for all the time and patience all of you put into pulling together all this information - it certainly adds more questions to an already very curious and bizarre situation

I haven't had the nerve to listen to Sarah Palin's speech at the Right To Life conference - but was wondering has any one compared what she had to say about Trig's birth to what she had said before and what is known as fact - some comments I've read in other places indicated there might be some conflicting things that were said - it might be interesting to fit in her birth story from this speech into the time line and facts already available

it is also interesting that Palin seemed to indicate that she "considered" her choices about the birth - I find it curious she would ever admit that outloud, but guess in her world it just makes her more lovable to have considered an abortion and then decided not to - so now she can self rightously go about the business of making sure no other woman in the world has the right to consider any other choices - after all other women are not as wonderful and holy as Palin so their choice might not be same

**ick ick ick ick**

I truly look forward to the day that is proven once and for all the lies Sarah Palin has spewed - and I am 99 percent sure she is NOT Trig's birthmother

B said...

Audrey said, "Bristol Palin was "scrubbed" from MySpace as of an arbitrary date. This date seems to be around July 1, 2007,"

If I were the Palin/McCain agents, I'd go far enough back in the scrubbing to be sure that no one knew any one was pregnant. If Bristol became pregnant in May, I think June 2007 would disappear as well. To me the scrubbing done is consistent with conception as early as mid-July, a month before Sarah would have us believe, not to mention a different mother.

If Bristol wasn't pregnant, why did they scrub her stuff? Just trying to remove embarrassing stuff? But they left things that don't reflect well on her -- stoner, accused of pregnancy, etc.

Laura said...

Maybe L. was the father of baby T1 but not T2?

Maybe "that" baby duck b/c it was still too unfathomable and she wanted to hold the news "out" and away from her and not yet embrace "this" baby?

The absence of information is very strange indeed.

OT on Esquire: poor excuse for journalism. Lazy writing, if you call it that. BP and her dad primary caregivers for T1? Kinda creepy. If I made SP's money and cared about my image so much, I'd make sure BP was at school, not lugging my baby around, especially if I could afford a sitter or want to further indenture my sisters & parents. Struck me as payback. You had him, you take care of him.

OT on Indiana: the amnio/pee test/I was traveling, I was in the office when CBJ called.....how hard is it to get that ONE story straight? Furthermore, as TP is sitting there listening to this speech, is he embarrassed that she's telling the world that she thought so little of her husband that she missed, what, 3 periods before telling him? Or....maybe she did tell the real dad!! And maybe that's why everyone sort of holds T1 at a distance and seems strained when they pretend to love him. Except of course BP, who may indeed be his real mom. Keep digging. None of it adds up. L.A. in S.F.

Lilybart said...

Thanks for your hard work. Most damning is that her page and comments were disappeared! Just as curious as the SP photos of early 2008 that were disappeared, also, too.

It's like hiding a pregnancy AFTER you told everyone. How do you explain that?

A vain woman wearing huge jackets and giant scarves that only make her look even bigger. It's these details that throw off the questions.

Truthseeker2 said...

The material is pretty interesting, and thanks to PD Research for pulling it all together. I'm sure it was a lot of work and there were probably different interpretations and lively discussions among the group.

I think some conclusions can be drawn. I can't see that there is any doubt that Lanesia was referring to Bristol when she was talking about the girl who was Fn her Xbf. See http://tinyurl.com/clr647 for one of quite a few articles in which Lanesia is quoted on the topic. That this issue of Bristol stealing Levi from Lanesia had gone dormant since September, and then arose again in January, indicates that there was new news on the subject. The timing, along with other things we already know about Bristol and her school situation in the winter of 2007-08, suggests that this is about her pregnancy.

On the mother duck comment, if there were no context I'd probably agree with Audrey, but there is some context. It follows the "call me NOW" comment from 6/22 and immediately precedes the "im a slut" comment. I can't see how a chat about babysitting one's little sister (who BTW is not a baby) would generate the "haha im a slut" response. Remember, that was the next response a few minutes later on the same chat.

I agree it's not conclusive, but it certainly is suggestive.

MrsTarquinBiscuitbarrel said...

Well said, Truthseeker2. I spent a boatload of time babysitting as a teenager, but the word "slut" never entered into it.

And with all your hard work, I even hate to bring this up--but do Wasilla teens use MySpace exclusively and not Facebook? Since my knowledge of either is nil, I'm asking high up in the thread.

In addition, as a real-live, full-time, MSM-boring-publications journalist in my earlier years, I still can't believe that we're forced to call on People Magazine as THE ultimate source for ANYTHING!

tennesseeteacher said...

I check this blog almost daily, and I am a faithful reader and a FIRM believer in the fact that Sarah Palin faked a pregnancy with Trig. However, it is my opinion that including these INCREDIBLY vague Myspace details and obscure references with aliased teenagers' names significantly weakens the credibility of this blog. Any newcomer who reads just this post looks at us as the nutjobs whom Sarah Palin paints us as. I certainly agree that the fact that all Bristol Palin references are missing from MySpace is an interesting piece of this puzzle. However, I think that these few obscure comments do nothing to advance our really credible argument; in fact, they weaken it for those who believe we are grasping at straws.

ss in ca said...

What if "that baby" in the "mother duck" comment refers to some guy that was following her around? Someone other than the guy she was dating at the time, hence the slut comment...

tasha said...

from a poster on Gryphen's blog today (in case Lisa does not use this blog):
LisanTX said...
I think I have some big news!!

I found some interesting dates in the article. The interview starts before Dec. 24.
The interview continues ONE MONTH later, which is also 10 days BEFORE the Iron Dog race and Todd and his partner are finetuning their snowmachines in preparation for the race.
This is on page 6 of the article at
http://tinyurl.com/dkb63o
The race began Feb. 8, so 10 days earlier would be around Jan. 28-29 (which also fits with the "one month later" from a day after Dec. 24).

The article states then that Bristol gives birth to Tripp "a week later." This wold be early February--before the Iron Dog Race. This is consistent with the picture from your website http://tinyurl.com/d5pww2
showing Bristol postpartum.
Toward the end of the article, it mentions something that occurs on Dec. 24, and that this happened AFTER the first interview day. So that is another confirmation that the first interview day was BEFORE Dec. 24. Bristol was dilated 1 cm on that day. (so the article leads the reader to believe that birth will be that day or the next) However, mothers who have given birth know that you can be dilated 1cm or even more for several weeks before birth.
Then Bristol gave birth one week after the "one month later" interview of Todd while working on his snow machine!!!!!
Do you read the dates like this????

B said...

Lady Rose said...
I haven't had the nerve to listen to Sarah Palin's speech at the Right To Life conference - but was wondering has any one compared what she had to say about Trig's birth to what she had said before

I haven't had the time or stomach to listen to the whole thing either, Lady Rose, but I don't think she has contradicted herself.

Mary G. said Palin attended IOGCC in New Orleans 9/22-24. That can be when she was out of state for an oil and gas event and found out she was pregnant.

So Sarah's timeline:

She had missed a period and bought a stick to pee on around 9/23/07. That could be about 5 weeks along, so pregnancy starts mid-August.

Assuming she meant the amnio was at 13 weeks, rather than the amnio results, that's around 11/23/07 and results could be 12/04/07.

With pregnancy begun mid-August, TriG is due mid-May.

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Truthseeker2 said...

Here are some additional comments from one of Bristol's acquaintances:

This was to Mercede, posted on 5/4/08 on the Triggy Bear page: "Ohh hes so cute. So So very little and gonna be such a stud."

And this from the same girl in late May 2008: ...ive been thinking. everyone is having babies these days. like really everyone is knocked up.

Again not conclusive, but suggestive. Certainly the second comment belies Bristol's claim that she didn't know any other girls in her circle that had become pregnant.

B said...

tasha,
LisanTx is not reading the article correctly. It says Bristol's baby was born a week after Sherry was arrested, not a week after the interview. I read the article.

Buckydoc said...

First, let me get this out of the way -- I think SP is dangerous, dumb and deceptive. Pure ambition, void of substance.

Having said that, the primary challenge for any conspiracy theory -- and and the Palin pregnancy switcheroo falls into that category -- is to explain why something so explosive has not become plainly obvious.

Consider all of the medical personnel -- physicians, nurses, lab techs, receptionists, records clerks -- that would have to be complicit in keeping something like this under wraps. It simply begs credulity that every single one of these folks has kept their mouth shut. Trust me, HIPAA is not that powerful a deterrent.

I'd be interested in a theory explaining why this remains so mysterious.

bacci40 said...

are you gonna do an analysis of her recent speach? you know, where she admits contemplating abortion, uses bristol as proof that she is pro family values, and says that she found out that trig was down at 13 weeks (amio is the only test that can be used...right? and as you have stated, at that early stage, it is dangerous to the baby...and most pro lifers do not even get the test)

B said...

Why won't Wasilla talk? Could the rumor have been that Bristol had a baby in February and gave it up for adoption, so that Sarah's baby in mid-April was thought not to be the same baby?

Sarah says she's praying for the truth to come out about TriG. Uh, Sarah, doesn't that mean it hasn't yet? That what you've said about TriG wasn't true?

Truthseeker2 said...

Just another note about the comment on Mercede's MySpace page. A lot of prior comments have noted how odd it was for Mercede to feature Trig on her page if he's Sarah and Todd's baby -- but it's even odder that one of her friends would comment that Trig is "gonna be such a stud" if he were Sarah and Todd's baby. But if he were Levi's and Bristol's baby, it all makes sense.

Ocean said...

Truthseeker2 said:
This was to Mercede, posted on 5/4/08 on the Triggy Bear page: "Ohh hes so cute. So So very little and gonna be such a stud."

I cannot see a teenage friend of Mercede saying that Sarah Palin's newborn son is "gonna be such a stud." However, I can see a friend of Mercede making that statement about Levi's son.

Somewhere in Wasilla there are some teens that know the truth.

Mary G. said...

After poring over so much material regarding Palin for so many months, I still can't bring myself to listen to the Right To Live speech... but soon, soon... it seems to be posted in its entirely over at the Mudflats. It just amazes me how much that woman loves to talk about herself, down to the most intimate detail--and she accused bloggers last December of always thinking about her crotch--I mean, really! we didn't make up the "leaking fluids", the out-of-town pregnancy tests (like it was so urgent--she knew to the minute when she should start--oh, sorry, I'm thinking about her you-know-what), the testing, the breast pump.... etc. The more she talks about the physical details, actually, the more I doubt her story... and I totally agree with Dangerous and the many astute readers here--she has offered us a whole bunch of new material, much of which contradicts or contorts things she has said before. So I will listen to that speech--and if we can pin down some dates (please help out here with your theories), I will try to get pages from the calendar available for everyone to read.

KaJo said...

Regarding the ":( now im a mother duck for that baby!" comment June 2007 by Bristol Palin:

It's highly unlikely she was referring to the alleged pregnancy of her mother with Trig, because if we are to believe everything that Sarah Palin has stated regarding that alleged pregnancy, the conception date would have been around August 12, 2007 -- for an EDC of mid-May of a term infant.

If we WEREN'T to believe everything that Sarah Palin has stated regarding her alleged pregnancy, and reasoned that Bristol Palin was talking about "that baby" as an unwanted abstract because she hadn't yet come to terms with the fact that she was pregnant, who the father was, and/or that she would have to carry it to term (thanks, Mommy dearest), then the comment falls neatly into place with

1) Bristol being barely pregnant (found out via missed period and testing kit after some form of sexual intercourse) in late June 2007.
2) EDC 9 months later being anywhere between February 17, 2008 (35 weeks) and March 23, 2008 (40 weeks).

B said...

In Indiana Sarah said she was surprised when Bristol, her star student and athlete, told her she was pregnant. Bristol was on the basketball team and honor roll spring semester 2007. By the time she conceived TriPP in 2008, she was a high school dropout. Did Sarah mean to say, "who once had been a star student and athlete," or was she talking about Bristol in 2007, not 2008?

Happy official first birthday, TriG. Has it really been a year?

Mary G. said...

I just read Palin's response to critics in Alaska who said she should not have left town just as the Legislative Session was ending (I mean, even Trig waited until after that was over to be born!), and she said "please, please don't make me ask your permission to leave town", as if that were the issue! But I suddenly remembered how, right around the purported duedate of Bristol and Levi's child Tripp, Palin was again "out of town"--this time for the important work of governing, or whatever. Really, if I were going to choose a reason to miss some work, it would be the birth of my grandchild (it wouldn't even have to be my first grandchild!) over a rally. And the legislature wasn't even in session in December!
But maybe Palin knew that Tripp was not going to be born on that duedate....

Caroline said...

Back in August Palin told a newspaper that she never considered abortion. I'll try to find the link.

jwc said...

Honestly, I don't think there's any useful new evidence in these MySpace comments. I think we just look silly chasing down these little nits of information.

While it's interesting that the kids' accounts were scrubbed, it's hardly suspicious. Any competent political campaign nowadays should do that routinely.

And I'm very uncomfortable snooping into these unrelated teens' private lives. I thank god I'm an adult and no longer have to hear about who's "stealing" whose boyfriend away.

As evidence against SP, the wild ride/wild tale and sponge-bob square pregnancy are so compelling. I think this other stuff just diminishes our case. And us.

Sheesh said...

I gotta agree with tennesseeteacher. I appreciate all the tireless work that the PD researchers have done but this MySpace stuff weakens the case. Just looks like a bunch of typical teens trash talking. A lot of this is so vague that any number of inferences can be made as to what they were referring to. As for the comment from the one girl stating that BP was 'fn her xbf'...the fact that Bristol was having a sexual relationship with Levi really isn't any big revelation nor does it mean anything in terms of her carrying Trigg. I think for this little group of Wasilla friends it was typical teenage scandal to wag tongues about. And of course since much of what was there was scrubbed there's very little context.

I maintain that the silence for either a BP/Trig pregnancy or not is odd. Surely there is someone out there who is willing to come forward and state "I know Bristol, I hung with her from August 2007 through Feb of 2008 and she was most definitely not pregnant". Or conversely, a teen who can state without hesitation that she saw Bristol between Jan and April of 2008 and somewhere in there she was mighty pregnant.

And I will repeat...if there's any truth to the conjecture that BP birthed Trig the NE will break the story.

midnightcajun said...

Just slogged through the Esquire article on Todd. That is one incredibly boring piece of writing. Basically this guy followed Todd around for days and wrote down every boring thing he said and did.

The only thing of any relevance is that Bristol is obviously Trig's main caregiver, even to the point of going to Target and buying him a new carseat--AND she picked it out. Hmmm. She even took Trig to her OBGYN with her--when Todd was home and could have watched him. Is that weird or what?

Oh, and they're STILL fighting with Wooten, and Papa Heath's house is dripping with dead animals, and Sarah lies about being out of town when she's really home.

Caroline said...

http://electexiles.wordpress.com/2008/08/30/gov-sarah-palin-and-her-son-trig/

http://blog.aul.org/2008/08/29/alaska-governor-sarah-palin-mccains-vp-pick-whats-her-abortion-views/

There are several links to Sarah saying she never considered an abortion. Here are a couple, sorry for long url's.

Ginger said...

After reading your post, Audrey, a word jumped out at me...shower!

If I recall correctly, didn't they have a shower for Sarah and baby Trig? Gosh, did I miss something and they had a shower for Bristol and Tripp?

With Tripp being her "first" baby and all, wouldn't you think someone, in that large extended family, would give her a shower?

Anyone know?

Daisydem said...

I think others have already asked, but am wondering if your team of excellent researchers are going to analyze the discrepancies in the SP Trig Pregnancy and Birth story told in Indiana the other night versus the other versions of the story she has told previously? Someone on another blog posted that one way to tell it is a story is that the details of it keep changing. I think she cannot keep her story straight. And I know from personal experience that my two pregnancies and the births of my children (34 and 31 years ago respectively) I still remember the details of without variation.

luna1580 said...

audrey, i emailed you about this and you agreed it would be clarified:

while i can delete comments on my page,
no myspace user can "remove" the comments they left on others' pages. only the other page user can do that.

for all the non-myspacers: think of it like this-

i can empty my own inbox of emails at any time, however, i can't "unsend" or "scrub" emails i've sent into other people's boxes. (not without hacking their account and impersonating them.)

or in old school terms:

i send a paper letter to my neighbor. they receive it and take it into their house. at this point, i can only destroy it with their cooperation, or by breaking into their house.

it's important to remember how the myspace system operates if you are going to attach any information to "what's not there."

Vaughn said...

What really makes me madder than heck about that speech is she stood up there and more or
less said she thought about aborting Trig when she found out she was pregnant.
All of us know that Oil and Gas Conference was in New Orleans,La on Sept.23-25 2007.
I believe she said in a interview that the doctor called her while she was in her office
sometime in early Dec. with the report about the Downs Syndrome.
If she really did think about aborting him in Sept. it was because he was inconvenient to
her life.Not because he was a Down Syndrome baby.
I of course don,t believe there ever was a baby for her to abort.These people think she,s
the greatest thing since sliced bread because she was tempted but decided against it.
That is exactly why she said it.OH! look at me I,m just human and was tempted but did,nt
follow through with it.
So if what she said was the truth she thought about aborting that baby before she even knew
that he had Down Syndrome.

NakedTruth said...

From Mercede's MySpace comment section on the Triggybear picture:

And this from the same girl in late May 2008: ...ive been thinking. everyone is having babies these days. like really everyone is knocked up.

Why would a young person make this comment about SP (the 43 year old governor) giving birth to Trig? Would SP be considered in the 'everyone' crowd by a teenager or even young adult? An 'everyone' crowd usually represents ones own peers. In this case that would be another teenager (Bristol) or young person not a 43 year old married woman who happens to be the governor. Very strange comment indeed.

Gwynedd said...

@Luna1580 9:41 pm - Luna, removing your own comment from someone else's MySpace pages is actually quite simple. To do so, you click "View All" on your friend's page (meaning "view all comments), and you will see a "Delete My Comment" link at the bottom of any comment that you have left.

I hope I am understanding your post correctly and that I have helped to clear up any confusion.

amy said...

I've been reading this blog for a while but this is my first post.

Buckydoc, I understand your thought that this would be too complicated a cover-up to pull off. As much as I enjoy this blog and think that Audrey and her team are doing thorough, fair-minded research on the subject, I myself am not entirely sure that she faked the pregnancy.


That said, it's the "wild ride" that keeps me fascinated by all of this. To borrow your term, I think it begs credulity to think that the most prominent woman in the state, at age 44, in preterm labor with a ds baby, would deliver at a small community hospital instead of in Anchorage at a hospital with a full NICU. The Mat-Su hospital doesn't even allow twin deliveries, and yet a woman with the above mentioned "high-risk" issues is allowed (and would want?) to deliver there? The mind boggles.

KaJo said...

Ginger said April 18, 2009 8:52 PM..."After reading your post, Audrey, a word jumped out at me...shower!
If I recall correctly, didn't they have a shower for Sarah and baby Trig? Gosh, did I miss something and they had a shower for Bristol and Tripp?
With Tripp being her "first" baby and all, wouldn't you think someone, in that large extended family, would give her a shower?
Anyone know?
The answer's here, Ginger.

That's why we are all puzzled as to why Chuck Heath was quoted in US magazine criticizing Levi Johnston not contributing to Tripp's upkeep (such as diapers).

Geez, they could sell off three-quarters and that'd buy diapers for 5 years at least...

KaJo said...

Vaughn said April 18, 2009 9:43 PM..."All of us know that Oil and Gas Conference was in New Orleans,La on Sept.23-25 2007.
I believe she said in a interview that the doctor called her while she was in her office
sometime in early Dec. with the report about the Downs Syndrome.
If she really did think about aborting him in Sept. it was because he was inconvenient to
her life.Not because he was a Down Syndrome baby."
Your conclusion, Vaughn, fits in closely with my comment at 6:51 PM above:

"It's highly unlikely [Bristol] was referring to the alleged pregnancy of her mother with Trig, because if we are to believe everything that Sarah Palin has stated regarding that alleged pregnancy, [Sarah Palin's alleged] conception date would have been around August 12, 2007 -- for an EDC of mid-May of a term infant."

Amy1 said...

Vaughn, I got that same impression, it was the news that SP was PG that made her think abortion, not the DS news. I mean I got the impression that was what she was telling us in the speech.

And that's yet another things that seems backward to me. I would think it would be upon the DS news that she would consider the abortion, not upon news of a new baby. Given her circumstances re help and resources (to say nothing of the "all life is precious" views). Who would say NO to a dear baby if help and money were okay? For convenience's sake only? And then claim to understand the desperation of an unwed teen who has neither help nor any other resources. Another bright red flag for me, but certainly not proof of anything.

CupofNoodles said...

luna1580...

You are not correct about deleting comments on others pages on myspace.

As long as you made the comment you can delete your own comments from others myspace pages.

I have done it many, many times.

Truthseeker2 said...

I'm thinking about the Mercede MySpace posting again. First, of course, is the question of why Mercede would post these photos if they were of Sarah and Todd's baby. Answer: she wouldn't. Second is the question of why her friend would say of Trig that he's so cute and "gonna be such a stud" -- on Mercede's site -- if he were Sarah and Todd's baby. Answer: she wouldn't. Third is the recent revelation of a photo showing Levi holding Trig in the photos taken at the same time as the Triggy Bear series. That is the third clue, allowing us to make sense out of Mercede's MySpace stuff. I don't feel I am going out on a limb at this point by saying that Levi is Trig's father, and Bristol is his mother.

Why hasn't someone talked? Probably to protect Trig, who is innocent and vulnerable -- he is under Sarah's control. And maybe to protect their friends. But one of them may yet spill the beans, which must make Sarah nervous.

No wonder Sherry, Levi and Mercede are so upset -- they had probably reconciled themselves to the fact that they couldn't help raise Trig openly, but then being shut out of both his and Tripp's life opened the wound again and made them mad also too.

But people know the truth. One thing that the MySpace stuff shows is that some of the kids know. And McCain and a few of his campaign staffers know -- that's why there was the icy reaction from McCain toward Palin that Chuck Todd noted the week before the election. Maybe that's why McCain's daughter won't talk about Sarah. And now Rex Butler knows and will use this knowledge very strategically.

I believe it's just a matter of time before it blows open -- if not sooner, certainly when Sarah puts her hat in the ring for any national election. Then Sarah's recent lying and emoting at the Right-to-Life conference will come back to bite her. I may buy stock in a popcorn company now...

wubbzy said...

I have been following this blog reading everyday for many months. I appreciate all the careful and thorough investigating hat has been done. I would like to add the the following from my personal experience.
I became pregnant when I was 17 just like Bristol. I was of medium build just like Bristol. This was many years ago before home pregnancy tests.

I gave birth on April 15th to a 9 lb. 2 oz. baby. My official due date was April 3. Here is my timeline that coincides with Bristol's.
I tested positive during the middle of August for pregnancy. This was a lab test, testing was not as sensitive then as it is today. I was a student in high school and a cheeleader. I left school in October and no one knew I was pregnant and I was still cheering and was tutored at home by a teacher so I could graduate in Spring. I was married in October at a big wedding, And lookng back at my pics I did not look pregnant except for one pic which caught me at and angle and I looked just like the family pic of Bristol taken in Oct. 2007. I didn' t really look pregnant until Christmas time that year. I put on weight but just looked chubby. I believe it was February and March that I really blossomed. My baby was born a few weeks late and not early and was very big. If my baby had been born in Feb. or March he would have been smaller like 6 lbs!!
I also find it very interesting on the myspace that her friends started talking about her "surprise" in January, after she let High school in Wasilla and people were just finding out why!!!! It makes perfect sense. Sweatshirts and coats could of hid her pregnancy until well into January!!
I also have been pregnant five times like SP and I can promise you I had tight abs and was very slender when I became pregant the 4th and 5th time and I looked pregnant immediately!!!! Especially by 3 months.

rom my personal experience it is very likely Bristol was pregnant with Trig and very unlikely SP was pregnant with Trig.

Amy1 said...

Oh geez, an addition to the profusion of Amy-like people:

--first we had amy long ago, like in Sept. Before moi.

--then I showed up and was Amy for awhile. Dec?

--then another Amy showed up who said she was a graphic designer, and I turned into Amy1 (and have been since then). That Amy disappeared.

--then there was recently an Amy who had a photo -- headshot.

--And now this new amy.

No problem, I guess. Just FYI.

--Amy1

Caroline said...

The picture of Sarah and Todd and newborn Trig taken in her office show a beautifully and freshly manicured hand. Her nails are being done by someone. I would think this person would have seen SP on a regular basis and would be able to corroborate on a pregnancy.

Amy1 said...

I too put little weight on the kids' comments. To kids, some tiny news item can be presented as a huge scandal, and something that's really big might be ignored or supressed. Plus I say keep their privacy a goal. I would think kids would repeat really unfounded gossip just for the fun of it. I would have. They would know the difference, but we would not. Scrubbing it rigorously but inevitably missing a thing or two seems like normal precautions for a political campaign. The cryptic-ness of, for example, the Mama/baby duck comment could suggest just anything -- or nothing. And it's not proof anyway. We don't need more innuendo -- we need proof. I say stick to SP.

Kathleen said...

Luna1580

I can assure you that there is no mystery here.

If I want to I can remove any comments that I have left on MySpace on my friends MySpace page.

All I have to do is go to the friend's MySpace click on their comments page look for my comment and click where it says "Delete Comment".

I hope this information is useful for you.

Kathleen

My WF is prodybp.
Prod why BP? I think we all know why. It's time to spill. lol.

Buckydoc said...

Amy --

With regards to the wild ride...

Truthfully, I find her own account of the "wild ride" far, far more disturbing than if she were rushing back to AK as part of someone's faked pregnancy scheme. Her account of the flight back to AK reveals a vanity and a religion-fueled hubris that would be catastrophically dangerous in a national leader -- makes Bush look like a Buddhist.

Patrick said...

I also belong to those people who think that the “motherduck comment” is very significant. The comment has to be seen in its context, like Truthseeker2 and KaJo have explained above. And it’s certainly correct to assume that there are teenagers in Wasilla who know the truth.

Our ongoing research also indicates that there are more people in Alaska who know the whole story. Why are they not talking in public? One reason might be that they live in a state with a small population which is ruled by a governor whose vindictiveness is already legendary! Many people have lost jobs in Alaska because of Sarah Palin. Ask somebody in Alaska, they will tell you.

And the Mat-Su hospital in Wasilla is under the firm control of Sarah Palin’s church - this was explained here in detail before. Sarah Palin herself was a member of the board of the company that was running the hospital! We know for sure that she had this position in 2005, but she probably remained on the board until she became governor at the end of 2006. So it’s not a stretch to assume that the Mat-Su hospital was complicit in this deception. And the fact the Cathy-Baldwin Johnson brought her own lawyer with her when she was interviewed by Lisa Demer from the ADN at the end of 2008 also speaks volumes (the content of the interview was never published…).

My general thoughts about the current situation are these (it’s rather long, sorry):

The world has changed: People are not dependent any more on the information given to them by news organizations or governments. Today, people all over the world can share information with lightning speed and have the power to uncover scandals by themselves. But it is not an easy task.

I am not a journalist. If I were, I would pick up this story with no hesitation, because a simple research of the facts which are already known to the public shows without any doubt that Sarah’s birth story has to be wrong. And surely if Sarah’s birth story had been correct, we would have been confronted with an army of aggressive lawyers by now, and this blog probably would not exist any more.

In my opinion, it’s certain that Sarah Palin has not given birth to Trig. And Sarah is truly vicious, because she now uses Trig more and more aggressively for her political purposes, which has the side effect that more and more people will say “No, she must be Trig’s real mother – she cannot be THAT crazy!”. But I say: “YES SHE CAN”.

The truth will come out in the end. The truth is/was a “closely guarded secret”, as somebody else has said before, but far too many people know about it. What bothers me is that when the truth finally does come out, everybody will say: “Oh, I ALWAYS knew it.” But at this moment, we are the “crazies”. My hope is that in the end people will not forget what citizen journalism can achieve, and that others will continue to use the internet, this mighty tool, to expose more scandals.

I would like to close my comment with a quote which I have recently read and which reminded me instantly of Sarah Palin and the exposure of her false birth story.

In the book “things as they are – photojournalism in context since 1955” (which I can highly recommend!), you will find on page 190 the details about how Life-magazine in 1969 printed the story of the “My Lai” massacre in Vietnam. The photojournalist was Ron Haeberle, who had documented the whole massacre in color film. Quote from the book:

“For a year, Haeberle showed his photographs to civic groups in his native Cleveland, but faced disbelief – ‘They caused no commotion…Nobody believed it. They said Americans wouldn’t do this.’ (…) But the full story only reached the public through the work of freelance journalist Seymour Hersh in the Washington Post and the London Times. After the story broke, Haeberle found an audience.” (end of citation)

Although the story about May Lai is of course much more gruesome, I immediately had to think about a possible reason why the media is so hesitant to pick SP’s fake pregnancy story up – possibly because they would say to themselves: “An American Governor wouldn’t do this”!

So I see a parallel here.

And where is Seymour Hersh when you need him?

Patrick (PD research)

Ginger said...

Kajo,

Granted, they supposedly received packages from all over the world but what was in them? Teddy bears?
Stuffed toys? A lot still left unopened.

Apparently, no one sent Bristol a car seat and she had to purchase one. What about a high chair, bassinet, playpen, baby monitor, baby furniture..etc.?

And, if she supposedly received everything she needed, why not a shower to celebrate the baby with a "no gifts required" request?

Bristol is a popular girl with a lot of girlfriends. Remember, on Tyra's show, Levi said her girlfriends were all at the hospital when she had Tripp?

It just strikes me as odd that one of them didn't give her a shower.

sandra said...

Lately we have had several red herrings thrown out for inspection. We had Bristol's interview with GVS that raised new versions of the pregnancy disclosure. We had the Esquire article with "stream of consciousness" reporting with inexact dates. And we had SP's recounting of her internal conflict on abortion. While there may be some truth in each of these, the "facts" should be considered like the blind men describing the elephant. In addition there are "facts" that are intentional falsehoods. We may be getting farther from the truth rather than closer.

Doubting Thomas said...

My take on the Mother Duck statement...
It was about that same time Bristol and Levi were hot and heavy. Levi has a little sister (Mercede) that wants to be more in the "In" crowd. To make Levi happy, Bristol agrees to be a "Mother Duck" to Mercede and introduce her around, hang out with her and get her friends to accept her at the parties.

This is shown in the spring by Bristol helping Mercede get ready for Prom, and the comments now at how Mercede is on the outs with Bristol and how hurt she is by it....much more than just her brother breaking up with Bristol and not getting to see her nephew(s).

My WV is rackterm!

Dee said...

I agree with tennesseeteacher, jwc and Sheesh that most of the MySpace information is not useful and doesn't bolster the credibility of the argument that Bristol is Trig's birthmother. The only useful information I have seen so far is that Sara accused Bristol of being pregnant and when Bristol was dating Johnnie and Levi. I know many people have spent a great deal of time going through all of this information, which I appreciate, and it must be hard when nothing really comes of it.

I don't want to see all us these redherrings obsure the most important information which is simply the fact a great deal of effort was put forth to remove many people's comments beginning with a period of time that corresponds to Trig's gestation. I would like to see some information on what it would it would take to accomplish this far-reaching effort. Again and again, we see the same pattern, the absense of information. No birth certificate for Trip or Trigg, no pictures or eyewitness reports outside the family of Trigg before the Gretta interview, no pictures of Sara conclusively pregnant, no pictures conclusively showing Brisol pregnant with Tripp and no pictures at all during the time of what was supposed to be the third trimester. In short there is simply no independent evidence that Sara was ever pregnant with Trig, or when he was actually born. There is some circumstantial evidence that Tripp was born to Bristol, but there is no evidence of when she was pregnent with him or when he was born. The reason that can people accept their stories at face value is that the average person finds it impossible to believe that anybody, much less a Govonor would do something this bizzare.

mlaiuppa said...

Sarah may never have considered an abortion, but I'll bet she considered a miscarriage. That explains hiding the pregnancy and all of that crazy travel. Who else would travel that late in a pregnancy? Then travel while leaking fluid? Then travel some more to get to a little hick town hospital. She says it's Wasilla love. But to me it sounds more like someone trying to have a miscarriage or a still born baby. That would have solved all her problems: no abortion and no down's syndrome kid.

Now Bristol Palin is playing mother duck to Trig. From what I read Bristol and Todd are Trig's primary care givers when Sarah isn't having her picture taken.

Rationalist said...

I think that's a great observation, Patrick. I hesitate to tell anyone I believe SP isn't the mother of Trig because people just can't fathom that an American governor would have had the hubris to a. pull this off in the first place and b. stand by the story all this time.

But if you had told the public, a year ago, that another governor was attempting to sell the Senate seat of the new president to the highest bidder, they wouldn't have believed that because it was just too bold. I mean, we're talking November - AFTER the election. When all eyes were on Blagojavich, he was still trying to make a deal. Unreal. Without hearing him on tape, I probably wouldn't have believed it either.

Look: the myspace stuff is not conclusive regarding Trig, though it is relevant to refute the whitewashed family picture Palin paints. As the mom of two teenagers, I know that those comments could be about anything. It is compelling that the period of time that was scrubbed coincides so closely with what would have been Bristol's pregnancy with Trig.

It's frustrating that there's no smoking gun yet vis-a-vis Palin. I do think time will reveal more. In the meantime, let's move on from the myspace material. There's nothing there.

Lilybart said...

Buckydoc: If Bristol had the baby at home and if CBJ did all the prenatal there wouldn't be that many people to know anything. the less they used normal doctor's offices and the more they did things with the family retainer.

It may be that people don't know anything, when they should, instead of many knowing it all.

Amy1 said...

Patrick said: ". . . the full story reached the public only through the work of freelance journalist Seymour Hersh in the Washington Post and the London Times." Patrick do you have a date for when the story broke?

Although far less of a story, the recent Edwards case illustrates the same thing: "no one would cheat on a spouse suffering from cancer" was the prevailing view, I guess. (Of course, weasel Edwards later justified that by saying "only when she was in remission." A classic!)

I've read about legal fears by the MSM like re the Rather case -- when he presented the info on Bush's military service irregularities.

Here is a good NPR summary of it. The key points, IMO, relative to our SP issue, are:

1. " [Rather] now says the story about Bush's military service record was true. "Nobody has ever proven the documents to be anything but what they purported to be," Rather says. "What the documents stated has never been denied — by the president or anyone around him." "

2. One unequivocal result: Bush's military record was taken off the table as an issue during the home stretch of the presidential campaign."
It is my opinion that whomsoever in the MSM breaks the SP hoax story will be harrassed big-time by the same pressures (big money, big power, big track record of success in this sort of thing, big power-levers of various other kinds -- the kinds that WORK) as CBS was.

That's why Rex Butler is my hero right now. I think he is orchestrating this as much as we can expect for the present. I think the Levi interviews were Rex's response to the BristolGreta interview, which Levi was supposedly excluded from. It's Rex saying: Bristol can do interviews; Levi can do interviews; Sherry and Mercede can too.

But I don't for a minute think I know what Rex has in mind. I do so hope he is waaaay cleverer than any of us can imagine.

Please do read the Rather story. It's just chilling, and there's no reason to think Republican fat-cat star-maker control-freaks would react much differrently to a threat to their dear charismatic Sarah.

B said...

Truthseeker2 said...
And this from the same girl in late May 2008: ...ive been thinking. everyone is having babies these days. like really everyone is knocked up. ***

By May 2008 Bristol & Levi's friends could have known about TriPP being on the way. School could have been out, fitting in with Bristol's story to Greta about telling Sarah. Levi could have had the baby booties hanging from his rearview mirror. The commenter could have been using that Palin baby picture as a place to comment that Bristol was presently, in May 2008, knocked up rather than about her having been knocked up with TriG.

Good point, Truthseeker2. Still, another item consistent with Bristol having TriG but also subject to other explanations.

luna1580 said...

well, thanks to all for the comment clarification!

in that case, there is no problem with the assumption that things could have been removed.

Amy1 said...

Buckydoc said: "I'd be interested in a theory explaining why this remains so mysterious."How about the Dan Rather case? Everyone's keeping quiet because they don't want to be pounced upon like CBS was. Works for me.

Remember, the Dan Rather/Bush-military-service story, if explored, might have resulted in Gore being our president rather than GWII.


Oh geez: VW=crotsh. Is this some latter-day version of "cherchez la femme?

Diana said...

I think Sarah gives away new facts and information every time she gives a speech. Let's hope she keeps talking!

If you look at the timeline you will see that Sarah's trip to NYC with Bristol for 5 days was a week after Sarah's revelation that she might consider an abortion. Interesting timing don't you think!

Except, considering an abortion was for her career and for Bristol and not for herself.

I think Bristol either changed her mind, Sarah's conscious wouldn't let her daughter go through with it or Bristol was too far along.

Either way the comment is just another glimpse of Sarah's real truth slipping out. She really can't seem to keep all the lies straight because there are so many of them. We just need to have patience and they will continue to spill out of her mouth. Thank you Sarah for clarify our understanding of that trip!

It also makes the statement about having more compassion and understanding for young girls going through the same situation...very relevant!

See timeline of events:
http://tinyurl.com/cnhqwu

GinaM said...

I was on the C4P site yesterday and noticed this comment from "upinak":

upinak said...
I remember speaking to Sarah about how pregnancy made us feel.

I also remember when Sarah was nice enough to let me touch her stomach and feel Trig kicking. As we both laughed on how hyper he was that day.

Happy Birthday Trig... and TY Sarah for letting me enjoy that special moment with you.

April 18, 2009 2:01 PM

NOBODY asked her or commented about what she said...now if they hate "Trig Truthers" (that's what they call us) so much how come nobody asked her one single question? It was just odd to me.

Doberman said...

Re Patrick, "And the fact the Cathy-Baldwin Johnson brought her own lawyer with her when she was interviewed by Lisa Demer from the ADN at the end of 2008 also speaks volumes."

WTF - Dr. Cathy has lawyered up.????

Where is this documented? - I haven't seen it. I find it very significant. Why would the good doctor need a lawyer?

Truthseeker2 said...

I have to say I have a different take than Audrey on this comment --
9/28/2007 Kaila to Jenny Jo:
haha, you were gonna fight Bristol for Lanesia.. idk, it was freakin hilarious though. you were getttin ready to take on like 394083 people yourself. haha..funny ass shit. call me tonight bia.

My take is that it referred to something that had happened quite recently, and that Jenny Jo was too drunk or stoned to remember exactly what happened. As noted previously, the issue went dormant until January, when there was additional chatter about Jenny Jo's willingness to fight Bristol because she had been Fn Lanesia's Xbf.

The Dame said...

Wonderful analogy Patrick, it reminds me of how long it took for anyone (in the world) to acknowledge what was happening in Rwanda. The massacre with mostly machetes and cutting of limbs from bodies of over 1 million people in a race war did not happen in just one day, it went on for a very long time. But no one thought much of it until much later.

sg said...

Caroline's comment suggesting that SP's manicurist might know something reminded me of something else.

I had read in the WSJ that SP said she switched from running to aerobics after she got pregnant. It strikes me that an aerobics class would make disguising a pregnancy (or non-pregnancy) difficult: no coats, no scarves. Perhaps someone in her aerobics class might know something?

As it turns out, ABC GMA interviewed four of SP's aerobics friends in Sept. 2008. A story and video are at this link:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/Story?id=5750876&page=1

Not surprisingly, the matter of Trig's birth wasn't discussed. But perhaps an enterprising reporter could do follow up interviews of these women (all four are named in the video). Sure, they're SP's friends, but they're not all politically aligned with her: two of the four are pro-choice, and only one of the four said she was committed to voting McCain-Palin (the other three declined to answer). In fact, the title of ABC's story is: "Palin Divides Women Voters, Even Her Closest Friends".

sg said...

I can think of two reasons why CBJ would have a lawyer present during her interview with L. Demer of the ADN in Dec. 2008:

1) In her famous letter, CBJ mentioned that she was releasing the information "with written consent of Gov. Palin." We don't know how narrow or how broad that consent was. Perhaps SP explicitly instructed CBJ that she could only talk about certain medical details, or that certain other details were "out of bounds." So having a lawyer present might help CBJ avoid disclosing information which might violate HIPAA.

2) A second reason: intimidation. Unlike SP, CBJ is not a public official. So the implicit message to the ADN of having a lawyer present might be: "Make sure you quote my client 100% accurately, or we'll sue you for libel." That might naturally make LD more cautious in her questioning and reporting.

Doubting Thomas said...

Diana said... "If you look at the timeline you will see that Sarah's trip to NYC with Bristol for 5 days was a week after Sarah's revelation that she might consider an abortion. Interesting timing don't you think!

Except, considering an abortion was for her career and for Bristol and not for herself.

I think Bristol either changed her mind, Sarah's conscious wouldn't let her daughter go through with it or Bristol was too far along."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you remember in the Bristol/Greta interview, Bristol kept saying, "It was MY idea to have him!" She repeated this several times.

I think Sarah took her to NY determined to get Bristol an abortion (Ethics and religion be damned, her Political future was o the line) and Bristol dug in her heels and refused to have an abortion. I believe Sarah tried to change Bristols mind for several days, and couldn't, that is when the beginnings of the idea of Sarah "faking being pregnant" was hatched.
ROFL my WV agrees! it is "ding"

Diana said...

Thank you...to everyone who has been sending me information for the timeline. I find it really helps keep track of the story and makes it easier to find the relevant articles and photos.

Please email me if you have an article that goes with the timeline and I will link it in.

http://tinyurl.com/cnhqwu

SoCal Rose said...

RE: the mystery phrase "I'm a mother duck"
I googled the phrase "I'm a mother duck" and found this entry from the blog of a young woman in southern california. Though it may not have any bearing on Bristol's comment, it may give an insight to the how some young people use the phrase.

"Mother Duck?
So, on the phone with Erin today, relaying the events of the weekend, and when I'm nearly done, she tells me that she wants to tell me something, and she doesn't mean it badly, she means it in a good way, but it's something she just found a way to put in to words...

She tells me that I am a mother duck. That I'm one of the most socially secure people she's met, because I can go into any situation, whether a house full of gang members in Compton (true story) or a room full of fantasy geeks (on a regular basis), and I manage to make friends with everyone in the place, and everyone loves me, and suddenly, I'm everyone's best friend. She knows this, because she's seen it.

So then, these socially inept, society rejects run across me, and because I'm nice to everyone, they misinterpret my nice-ness, and genuine sense of caring for, "she's my new best friend" or "she wants to have my babies." And because I'm a mother duck, I see that they're socially inept, and floundering in a social bog, I go, "Oh! It's a duckling!! I will take them under my wing and introduce them to such-and-such group of people, and they will fit in, find their wings, and be able to move on with their lives!"

And thus, the myriad of misfits that drift in and out of my life, and either try to become my best friend, or hook up with me.

*sigh* "


So....Bristol may have been referring to another teenager whom she didn't really care for (that baby!).

CupofNoodles said...

GinaM

Of course they wouldn't question upinak. It is a given in there minds that SP birthed Trig.

There is nothing to question for them.

Morgan said...

***MODERATOR REQUEST***

Would the poster calling himself/herself Northpoint please email me at thetokenhippie@gmail.com

Thank you.

Doubting Thomas said...

I posted this before, I don't know why it never showed up.

I think the Mother Duck comment was referring to Mercede Johnston.
It was around that time that Bristol "stole" Levi from his girlfriend, and Mercede was popular, but not as popular as Bristol.
As a favor to Levi (cause "I'm a slut"), she agreed to be a "Mother Duck" to Mercede and introduce her around Bristol's more popular friends.

Alex said...

thank you, SoCal Rose. The Mother Duck phrase never sounded ominous or important to me. It sounded like a kind of slangy hiphoppy metaphor for exactly what you describe. The only living creature whose babies follow it like clockwork, is a Mother Duck. It's the perfect metaphor for having something or someone not wholly desirable follow you-- relentlessly. So BP could have been tailed by an idea or a person, she'd gotten stuck with.
I too googled the phrase but gave up. Glad you located that. (and the frowny face confirms what you found-- )

Alex said...

Yep, Amy1, Rex Butler's my man, too. Glad to know he's in this mess. He may not get us what we want (the truth about Trig) but at least one AK person's not afraid of Sarah.

the norwegian blue said...

Who was Bristol's OB-Gyn for Tripp (the Esquire article mentions her follow-up appt)? In those medical records she is surely listed as either a primapara (Tripp is her first pregnancy) or multipara (not). The murkiness around Tripp's birth may have to do with Bristol's status as a second-time delivery in the L&D.

BTW IMHO MySpace is a dead end. Now, if you have this group's recent Facebook comments, then that might be relevatory.

Dangerous said...

JWC wrote:

Honestly, I don't think there's any useful new evidence in these MySpace comments. I think we just look silly chasing down these little nits of information.

While it's interesting that the kids' accounts were scrubbed, it's hardly suspicious. Any competent political campaign nowadays should do that routinely.

...

As evidence against SP, the wild ride/wild tale and sponge-bob square pregnancy are so compelling. I think this other stuff just diminishes our case. And us.
I agree completely. I was going to post something similar.

Audrey's team's MySpace research reveal unequivocally that Bristol's pregnancy with Tripp was NOT an open secret. If it were, there would have been evidence of it found by the thousands of people researching this story that first weekend after her rollout. Everyone I know was stunned by the Bristol-preggers announcement. If none of the teens close to her were talking about it, we have to be VERY skeptical of the timing and validity of any rumors Bristol was pregnant.

I still contend that the rumors in late 2007 and early 2008 derived from her abruptly switching schools, rather than any kind of direct knowledge. Hence, using them as support for Bx2 is a major streeeeeeeeetch.

Dangerous

NakedTruth said...

Let's think out of the box here for a minute.

What if Bristol was a 'Mother Duck' for Levi? What if she had sex with Levi to make Johnny mad but just couldn't get rid of Levi afterwards? This could be why Bristol called herself a 'slut' in the comment after the 'Mother Duck' comment.

Hey we are all grownups here and we should never underestimate the power sex can have over a man. Especially a teenage boy.

Plus I continue to think that Levi was more into Bristol than Bristol was into Levi. Remember Bristol broke up with Levi.

Hammer and a Feather said...

To me, the hardest point to ferret out as a cold, hard fact has been that BP's activities during the relevant time periods WERE scrubbed.

Props to the research team for proving it ain't there. My youngest child is Bristol's age and a MySpace addict, and the black hole is circumstantial ~ yet significant in context.

Tina in TN

NakedTruth said...

Dangerous said:

"I still contend that the rumors in late 2007 and early 2008 derived from her abruptly switching schools, rather than any kind of direct knowledge. Hence, using them as support for Bx2 is a major streeeeeeeeetch."

I really don't think Bristol abruptly switching schools was the reason for the pregnancy rumor. If you think about it she was going to have to switch schools anyway. Remember SP was taking the kids out of school in Wasilla and putting them in school in Juneau for the last semester because of the legislative session. For some reason they made a decision to let Bristol attend school in Anchorage. Bristol attended West High School in Anchorage for about a month and then withdrew. It appears that the rumor started or continued after she withdrew from West High School in Anchorage not when she withdrew from Wasilla.

We cannot discount these rumors. Even Bill McAllister, SP's Spokesman, admited that these rumors existed.

sg said...

Dangerous:

I don't see how you can say that Bristol's pregnancy was unequivocally not an open secret. Here is first-hand reporting by two different news organizations, on the ground in AK in early Sept. 2008, saying the contrary.

It's certainly debatable how widely known her pregnancy was. The words "unequivocally not" carry unwarranted certainty IMHO.

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NY Daily News, 9/2/2008, "Bristol Palin's pregnancy was an open secret back home"

"Bristol's pregnancy was no secret in the town that lies wedged between two mountain ranges.

"The mother of one of Levi's friends, who asked not to be named, told The News that locals knew about Bristol's pregnancy for weeks."

======

Time, 9/1/2008, Nathan Thornburgh: "In Wasilla, Pregnancy Was No Secret"

"So his name is Levi.

"That's about the only thing I didn't know about Bristol Palin's pregnancy. The rest of the details I picked up almost without trying, while talking about other things with townsfolk -- some who know the governor and her family well, some who don't. It was, more or less, an open secret. And everyone was saying the same thing: the governor's 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, the father is her boyfriend, and it's really nobody's business beyond that."

Windy City Woman said...

Daisydem,
Good point that you remember your pregnancies and births. Every mother I know has not forgotten these details about all of her pregnancies and births.

Doubting Thomas said...

I find it interesting that Lanesia"s mypace personal quote says "~*There is always that 1 person that no matter what they do to u,U cant let them go...*~"
Sounds like she would take Levi back in 2 seconds flat, if he showed any signs of wanting her....

sjcb said...

while the myspace info is interesting, i agree that we need to move on from it. that said, the one thing that jumps out at me from all of it is THERE HAS TO BE SOME WASILLA KID WHO WILL TALK. i just can't believe no one has yet...not just because of the fame or fortune sure to be involved, but quite simply because high schoolers can be catty b*t*hes! ;)

Shelby said...

buckydoc said:
Having said that, the primary challenge for any conspiracy theory -- and the Palin pregnancy switcheroo falls into that category -- is to explain why something so explosive has not become plainly obvious.

Consider all of the medical personnel -- physicians, nurses, lab techs, receptionists, records clerks -- that would have to be complicit in keeping something like this under wraps. It simply begs credulity that every single one of these folks has kept their mouth shut. Trust me, HIPAA is not that powerful a deterrent.
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I would counter that argument with where are all the witnesses to Trig's birth? How come not one doctor, nurse, lab tech, receptionist, parking lot attendant or fellow patient has come out to perhaps confirm just ONE detail of Trig's birth. Surely someone would come to Palin's aid and put these salacious rumors to rest. And how come the one person who should confirm it in a no-nonsense, let's put these stupid assertions to rest manner, Dr. Johnson, has chosen to remain conspicuously silent. Palin could have arranged a brief news conference with the good Doctor back in August and really put the 'conspirators' to shame, but instead opted to subject her young daughter to shame instead.

I agree with the poster who said the strongest argument against Palin being Trig's real Mom is the fact the only way she thought she could 'prove' she was Trig's biological mother was to throw Bristol under the bus in front of the world.

I agree also that the myspace comments are pretty anti-climatic. It's really only preaching to the choir and would never offer a iota of substantial proof to someone who still believe Palin birthed Trig. But it does stand to give stronger substance to the argument that something happened with Bristol Palin where she became the invisible Governor's daughter for several months.

Grandma Nancy said...

In regard to the Esquire magazine: The seat Bristol bought for Trig was a "hook onto a dining table" infant chair -- one of those portable ones you can use in a restaurant or at a kitchen table. Usually used for taking on vacation, or visiting to use as a portable high chair.

What keeps me looking for answers is how maternal Bristol looks when she is with Trig and how willing Bristol is to be the primary caretaker of Trig. How many teens do you know that willingly take care of their mother's baby, their own baby, and miss their proms, parties, graduation, time spent with lots of friends, hidden away for over a year, with thousands of people world-wide trying to figure out the nonsense stories her mother keeps coming up with, and all without complaint? She does appear very sad in lots of photos, however. And all this because of her mother's political ambitions. If there was nothing to hide, Sarah could have cleared this up any time during the last year with birth photos, or birth certificate(s), or a joint interview with the doctor in attendance or those who attended the birth.

I also think that people are keeping their suspicions/information to themselves because of fear of retribution. Parents may have told their kids to keep their mouths shut or there will be h### to pay for them and/or their families. I probably would have told my kids the same thing if living in a small town. After all this is the governor we are talking about, and one who tried to get her ex-brother-in-law fired, and fired the head of the department when this didn't work, fired other staff for very little reason, DEMANDS total silence, obedience and loyalty from state employees and tries to bully her way through life. And have you given thought to masses of media camped out in the front yard trying to get exclusive information both for and/or against what you have said?????

The whole Sarah/Trig saga in black and white is so unbelievable, yet at face value Sarah comes off as believable -- and besides she is a church-going Christian, and why would she lie -- and if you don't do any checking, haven't looked at the available photos (those she wasn't able to have quickly removed from public scrutiny) or have no idea of the documented things she said yesterday, last week, last month or last year. But -- we have the internet and things can be quickly checked and rechecked now (when they don't disappear mysteriously).

All in all, it gives lots of us huge headaches. Thanks to all of you who are doing research, timelines and documentation. I truly feel sorry for Bristol, and for Levi too, as they have become the scapegoats for Sarah.

I wonder what other secrets remain hidden.

penny said...

Amy1 said,

"Please do read the Rather story. It's just chilling, and there's no reason to think Republican fat-cat star-maker control-freaks would react much differrently to a threat to their dear charismatic Sarah."

It would seem the Republicans are distancing themselves from SP in mass: McCain, Newt, Bill O, etc...

They are figuring out she is just not worth saving...

It won't be long now.

Diana said...

If you don't think people were talking in Wasilla and or Anchorage during the time that Sarah was faking her pregnancy how can you explain this comment left back in Aug 30. 2008 on a blog post concerned with the news that Sarah faked her pregnancy and that Bristol was really Trigs mom:

"Sorry but it's easy to stuff your shirt and then throw a jacket or sweater on to appear pregnant. However, when you look at Bristol's photo's from 2006 she was skinny. Then fast forward to when Sarah was supposed to be pregnant and it's Bristol who looks pregnant, and by the way Bristol wasn't wearing a jacket you could see it in a fitted shirt. So until I see a picture of Sarah wearing just a regular shirt instead of big jackets, or sweaters then I do believe it's her daughter. Sarah Palin pulled her daughter out of High School and the public eye due to mono, but I don't know any kid that gains weight ONLY in the boobs and belly from mono. PEOPLE WHO GO TO SCHOOL AND OTHER PEOPLE IN ALASKA HAVE BEEN TRYING TO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS STORY!"

Posted by: Ann | August 30, 2008 at 08:41 PM

It was out there, just hard to prove and who do you take the information to without finding yourself and your family in jeopardy.

midnightcajun said...

I'd just like to point out that we don't know Bristol's friends didn't give her a baby shower. Just because there was no press doesn't mean it didn't happen. The Esquire article said Track came home for Christmas; who knew?

And I'm sorry, but I think the mother duck comment has NOTHING to do with the babies, and it's making us look silly to even try to read it that way. Don't you'all use that expression?

Patrick's comment about My Lai got me to thinking about how Sarah's supporters will react to the truth about Trig coming out. I remember my own reaction to the reports about the massacre--I was very conservative at the time (military family) and I flat out didn't believe it. Photos and eye witness testimony be damned, I was convinced there was no way American troops would do something like that. Of course, I've since learned happened a lot; it just wasn't talked about. So I think Sarah's supporters will refuse to believe she faked her pregnancy, no matter what proof comes out. If she's smart, she'll refuse to admit it, refuse to even comment on it ("it's a personal matter and I'd rather not discuss it"). Her supporters will just get angry about the liberal press telling lies about dear Sarah again. But the 75-80% of the people who said they believed Levi and not Sarah will believe it, and that's what counts.

Diana said...

Retribution is only one aspect of it. Remember Sarah on the campaign trail, enjoying...no reveling in the anger and hatred....of her beloved following. Do you remember how she deliberately lit up the crowd with her words of righteousness indignation. She is mean spirited and I can't imagine living in a community knowing the truth and being willing to be "the one" who brings the truth to the surface.

Where could you live after outing her? You might as well pack up and leave Alaska because all of Sarah's beloved followers would be more than happy to hang you out to dry.

Windy City Woman said...

1. Bloggers have mentioned the possibility of a non-disclosure requirement from Levi, and possibly other people, re Trig's biological parentage. Isn't it possible that he didn't really want to agree to that, but did so because he felt he had to? (Sort of like a shotgun wedding.) Maybe that picture of him with Trig which appeared during the Tyra interview was to thumb his nose at that agreement, or to place the idea that he might be Trig's dad subtly in people's minds. I've long felt that way about the pix of him with Bristol and Trig during the campaign: that the "family" pix of Levi, Bristol and Trig were done to place the idea in people's minds that they are Trig's biological parents, so that it would be less of a surprise when the truth did come out. Sometimes people give hints at unpleasant news in incremental pieces, to lessen the shock when the full story is told.

2. Last week people suggested that perhaps Bristol and Levi secretly married. Levi's wearing what looks very much like a wedding ring is given as evidence of this. Why would they marry secretly? Wouldn't the Palins want any such marriage publicized, to show that Bristol and Levi have "family values"? So...now they are divorced? Or divorcing? Can we check to see if a marriage happened? Would this be public information? Also, if Levi & Bristol married, but wanted to keep it a secret, why wear a wedding ring?

3. We can all do our part to publicize this web site. Every time you find a blog which mentions the Trig issue, respond and mention this site. Sites which moderate the posts might exclude your post, but not all sites do; some post everything sent.

4. Those of you who can get MSNBC, watch Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow when you can, even if you disagree with their views. They have mentioned the Palins frequently lately.

5. Some people lately have questioned Sarah's decision to mention Bristol's pregnancy with Tripp during the campaign. Umm, wouldn't it have been hard to hide, with the Palins in the public eye, especially if McCain had won? Once it was decided that Bristol would not terminate the pregnancy, it would eventually become quite obvious that she was pregnant.

Amy1 said...

Re newborn Trig's many caregivers, Buckydoc says: "It simply begs credulity that every single one of these folks has kept their mouth shut. Trust me, HIPAA is not that powerful a deterrent."It does beg credulity. But which begs credulity more, the issue above or this graphic?Both seem impossible. But one must be false if the other is true. Which one?

Ivyfree said...

"Consider all of the medical personnel -- physicians, nurses, lab techs, receptionists, records clerks -- that would have to be complicit in keeping something like this under wraps. It simply begs credulity that every single one of these folks has kept their mouth shut. Trust me, HIPAA is not that powerful a deterrent."

But what is there to tell? Are they all to say that they didn't see Sarah Palin during the Trig pregnancy? Why is that special? She could easily have said her pregnancy was followed elsewhere. She wouldn't really even have to: you have somebody who travels between Wasilla and the state capitol. It wouldn't be difficult for health-care givers to assume in both places that care was given in the other place.

While someone known as Jane Doe (underage; privacy request) receives the prenatal and postnatal care, but the relationship to SP isn't known and consequently not talked about. An underage girl giving birth anonymously? Not a big deal, and no reason to connect her with Sarah Palin.

WV is "cesse" as in cesspool.

Amy1 said...

I'm just on the edge of my chair with my new realization: the rest of you might have grasped this long ago, but it's news to me.

Amnio is also used for pre-birth paternity tests!

Of course!

I am slapping my forehead. (see links posted on previous thread.)

We've all puzzled over why a pro-lifer who would never abort would have amnio. An early anmio.

(And just a review of amnio issues. It's best to do it at 16 weeks: most certainty of results, least risk of miscarriage. But the drawback of 16 weeks is it's a little late to have an abortion, if you want one. It can be done, but earlier would be better, for a lot of reasons. However, if abortion was a possibility, and anyway if what you really wanted to know was paternity, 13 weeks makes sense. Gives one more time to think.)

So maybe SP had reason to question the paternity of Trig -- no matter who the bioMom is (surely SP knew who, even if we don't).

But there could have been some doubt about the paternity that the bioMom stated:

--multiple partners?
--a name one could not believe?
--a candidate who denied paternity?

So, the amnio. But oooops, the amnio reveals the DS. And we go galloping forth from there.

Dangerous said...

Reporting after the announcement that some people claimed they knew about it is ex-post-facto hearsay. I agree that Bristol's pregnancy with Tripp was probably not a secret, but it wasn't front-page news in Wasilla either. Some family and friends knew, and it may have been repeated around town.

But if it had been widely known in Wasilla at the time, people like me would have found it that first weekend on chat boards. The Governor's 17-year-old daughter pregnant is gossip too juicy to hide, even in far-off Alaska.

What I wonder about is if that piece of intelligent was available the first weekend, would we all be here? I can't imagine Inky99 on DailyKos would have publicly called SP a liar on the pregnancy had he (and the rest of us) had contemporaneous confirmation that Bristol was pregnant and expecting a child in December. Instead, we all would be seeking other candidates with at least as equal ferocity as you all are trying to prove Bx2.

But you aren't any closer to doing so now than anyone (including me) was on September 1 when we all were sure Bristol had to be Trig's mother.

Dangerous

Windy City Woman said...

Here is a quote from that "hot-shot" lawyer, A. B. Culvahouse:

"She would have been a great vice president," said Washington power lawyer A.B. Culvahouse at an event at the National Press Club. "And as I told John [McCain] she would have been ready on January 20. I don't think many people would.... She has lots of presence. She filled up a room. Me and two of my most cynical partners interviewed her and we came away impressed."

Excuse me? "Me...interviewed her"? Goodness, "me" as the subject of the sentence? He butchers the English language worse than Sarah! What grade schools in this country do NOT teach English grammar? I know this is off-subject; I just have to vent....

teal said...

...maybe PB was taking "T" to his Ped's appointment - not her own?

Rationalist said...

WV: palin!

Anyway, does anyone know if anyone has ever flat out asked the Johnstons for the truth? I mean, now they have a lawyer who's advising them not to talk. But do we know if they've ever been asked to comment?

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

I was wondering if say Bristol was pregnant in May 2007 - she finds out in June (it is possible), Sarah then forces her to have the baby since they don't believe in abortion...She's being forced to have THAT baby she doesn't want to. A May conception date would correspond to a February 2008 birth - it has been suggested that Trig was maybe born earlier than they said he was...If I remember I think the discussions were saying he could have been born as early as February.

wayofpeace said...

GRANDMA NANCY said:

"Parents may have told their kids to keep their mouths shut or there will be h### to pay for them and/or their families."

PRECISELY.

that's the reason no one dares to talk: SP's vindictiveness must must legendary in that small town.

a high level FEAR is what has kept the "open secret" secret.

...
as to PENNY's commnent:

"It would seem the Republicans are distancing themselves from SP in mass: McCain, Newt, Bill O, etc...

They are figuring out she is just not worth saving..."

i agree. i, too, believe that they have dropped her like a hot potato already. BUT they cannot afford to be too overt about it, since SP's hold on the RIGHT-WING RELIGIOUS is still strong: they cannot afford to piss them off.

one thing is true: all those lining up to run against her in 2012 are fattening up their SP-files. i'd dare say some may even check here periodically.


WV: elutot, as in ELUSIVE TOT

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

Kathleen, April 19, 2009 10:14 AM

My WF is prodybp.
Prod why BP? I think we all know why. It's time to spill. lol.


I don't understand this commment at all...

ProChoiceGrandma said...

To Questions and Answers:
Your comparison timeline photos are terrific! http://tiny.cc/qCkiU
Would you do a similar comparison set of Sarah showing her previous pregnancies and the fake pregnancy with Trig? We have seen the pregnancy with Track where she is wearing the BIG red shirt, and Alaska stock has one where she is pregnant with Piper. Both show that she definitely gains weight in her face, whereas there is no weight gain in her face with her “pregnancy” with Trig.

sjk from the belly of the plane said...

Kids posting on myspace is nothing compared to the pics of SP with a pillow on her belly and BP with a huge bustline and Levis tender kiss.

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Part 5 of the Video of Palin’s 4-16-09 speech at the Vandenburg Right to Life dinner, she said “I’d found out that I was pregnant while out of state first at an oil and gas conference”

The out of state Oil &Gas conference would have been between 9/15-10/4 to New Orleans, see page 23 of Sarah Palin’s 2007 Schedule of Travel Calendar:
http://tiny.cc/DF8Ov

(ahem, this would be right AFTER the 9-14-07 First Family Photo in which BP looks 4 months pregnant in this enlarged picture: http://tinyurl.com/abptnx and just BEFORE the 5 day 4 night trip she took with Bristol to NYC from 10/7 - 10/11/2007. I am sure SOMEONE rested quietly and comfortably in the luxury hotel room after an amniocentesis.

According to Sarah’s fake pregnancy, Trig was born 4-18-08 at 35 weeks gestation. Therefore, her week #13 would have been Nov 11-17, 2007. Um, and she didn’t learn the amnio results until 12-4-07??. It certainly does not take that long for amnio results!

If an amniocentesis was done, Bristol would have been approximately 18-20 weeks during that NYC trip, which would have been a more appropriate time to perform the risky amniocentesis.

And all this is assuming IF an amniocentesis was actually performed. They may not have learned Trig had DS until after he was born.

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Have not heard any mention of those pesky emails that all the MSM requested under FOIA. Any update on that issue?

I could not pass up this Word Verification: Rexslu, as in Rex slew the Palin lies!

B said...

Pro Choice Grandma,
I'll try the timeline from the other end of the pregnancy:

Mary G. said Palin attended IOGCC in New Orleans 9/22-24. That can be when she was out of state for an oil and gas event and found out she was pregnant.

She had missed a period and bought a stick to pee on around 9/23/07. That could be 5-6 weeks along, a week or two after a missed period, so pregnancy starts early to mid-August. Assuming she meant the amnio was at 13 weeks, rather than the amnio results, that's around 11/23-30 and results could be 12/04/07.

This timeline runs one to two weeks behind yours. So I guess I have TriG at 35 weeks toward the end of April, due mid-May. So I believe this is the fake timeline she is using. Her speech was consistent with what she has said before. Lies, but consistent.

One thing clear from what I've heard of Sarah's Indiana speech is that what she says makes more sens if she's talking about Bristol having TriG.

Considering abortion when she found out just that she was pregnant, before she learned of the DS, doesn't make much sense. Instead, for a 16-year-old high school junior whose mom is a governor, yeah, pregnancy itself is a big problem.

Discussing her good student and good athlete daughter getting pregnant makes more sense for TriG, when Bristol had just been on the honor roll and basketball team in Juneau, not a year later when Bristol's attendance has been erratic for a whole school year.

pearlygirl said...

Buckydoc---in former posts there are a lot of good arguements for only needing a handful of people to actually handle the birth--people with a mutual interest to continue to keep silent either for their own protection or that of a loved one.

Other people have replied with the same thought that I have. If Sarah actually gave birth to Trig, where are all the people who did know/saw it/participated in the dellivery/etc There should be lots of people who can confirm this but to date, have not. So it is not just the circumstantial evidence concerning Bristol or whoever the biological mother is, there has been no credible evidence that Sarah did---something that should be totally easy to produce/confirm, but she chose to prove she was Trig's mother by saying that Bristol was pregnant. Huh? What if Bristol had not be conveniently pregnant? What would she have done then for "proof?"

Also given the "Gusty Picture" where she is so "obviously pregnant" can you say that any airline personnel could miss that and not notice that she was pregnant (while leaking fluid, in labor,of course) on two flights? She flew out from Texas--how big of a winter coat could she have worn?

Caroline
Thank you so much for the link to the articles which report that Sarah never considered abortion. Of course, Sarah did preface her comment at the RTL meeting by emphasising for a "Fleeting moment." I don't care how right to life people are---it always crosses your mind for a moment when an unplanned pregnancy happens even if one would never actually go through with it--perhaps the "catholic abortion" of intentional miscarriage does come into play--no offense to very honest, ethical, and non-hypocritical Catholics, but you all know exactly what I'm talking about. So I guess she was trying to relate and show how she too faced temptation but overcame by her moral strength (ROFL)

On a side note, I am not familiar with New York's policy for abortions, but most clinics have REQUIRED counseling and a waiting period of a few days to a week before the actual procedure just to make sure that the woman has really made a rational decision and had time to consider all options. There are a lot of caring people who work at these clinics and understand the importance of making the right "choice" for your situation. I would think that only a private doctor would do one same day request style and it would cost a bit more.

Kajo---I too wondered about all these free gifts and well wishers from all over the world who supposedly donated oodles of stuff to Bristol and Levi.

Molly said...

Amy1--

Hey I wondered about paternity testing by amnio, too, so thanks for the link.

I've been assuming that the whole amnio thing was a lie; that SP just said it so we'd think it was her advanced-maternal-age baby, and that we'd think that they knew ahead of time about the DS.

The question then would be, IF Bristol got an amnio for paternity testing (for, what other reason would there be for a girl of 16 to get one?), then, there must have been some question of who the father was. Levi? Johnnie? I suppose Bristol would have wanted to know---whoa.....just had a thought; didn't Mercede say something about Bristol being mad when she found out that the baby was Levi's?? Hmmmmm. Amy1, if Mercede's recollection is correct, then that has to mean that DNA testing was done at some point. If BP was keeping track of her reproductive cycle and her sleepages--unless they were occuring during the same time period--then she should have been able to tell who the father was, and, so there would have been no need for her to have "found out" that Levi was the father. I am also assuming that Mercede's statement, like so many others, could have been used for the first pregnancy. I hardly think it makes sense that when Trig was born and Levi was hanging around helping to take care of him, and continuing to sleep with BP, that if BP then got pregnant by him (again) that she would be upset to find out he was the father. It really only makes sense in talking about the first pregnancy.

Molly said...

ProchoiceGrandma--

I have not seen the photo of Sarah with Piper. Do you have a link?

Molly said...

Sorry don't remember who said this, but, if SP found out "she" was pregnant at the oil and gas thing in Sept, and that was right after the family photo with the camo baby bump dress--this could definitely (assuming BP is the real Mom of Trig)show that SP was clueless about her daughter's appearance, and unaware that her daughter was pregnant and could explain why she allowed the picture to be taken.

I'm picturing this scenario: the photographer is going through his/her proofs, and looks a bit closer, calls up GINO and enquires if BP is pregnant and is it OK if the pics are published......and SP says of course she isn't--go ahead and publish them--then calls home to ask said daughter if this is true. Oops! Then the subsequent trip to NYC for what? A pro-life event? In which you are considering abortion for your daughter? Then adoption when one or both of you can not/will not go through with it? That is so hard to do though, isn't it? Give up your baby? But if Mom and Dad agree to take responsibility but allow BP to still raise him, that would make it a deal for Bristol.

Well, whatever, SP. Your 'pro-life' cred is taking a beating, also, too, since you admitted that the mere finding out "you" were pregnant caused you to consider aborting. Apparently it wasn't even finding out about the DS that did it, according to your latest version. An inconvenient pregnancy at age 42? So? Aren't all children a blessing? This is why I continue to think it was Bristol who had the inconvenient pregnancy, not you, Sarah Palin. And, if so, you should have just come clean right then, and you should have put your family situation ahead of an extremely premature run for the Vice Presidency. Your inflated ego has gotten you into this fix!!

Kathleen said...

Dippsydoodlenoodle -

Sorry - I'll clarify that part of the comment (which was added as a ps) for you.

WF is an abbreviation for word verification. My wf was prodybp. To prod someone means to poke them, usually in order to remind them to do something. ybp? (Why Bristol Palin?) In this case we need to prod BP in order to get her to "spill" what it is that she knows. It's silly, I know, but it was not meant to be taken seriously.

I hope that you can understand my very poor attempt at a sense of humor now.

Kathleen

Lilybart said...

It really is the absence of evidence that is driving our questions.

Weirdly slim looking woman supposedly 7 months pregnant.

NO family birth photos of either kid.

No birth announcements at the hospital, starting with Trig.

No one confirms anyone's pregnancy with Trig. No one speaks up to say Palin was pg, no friend has photos.

No kids spill anything, not even talking about the "truth" as Palin tells it.

The silence about the whole thing is most curious. If I knew a player in some major drama like this, I would call People and send my personal photos to prove that my friend's birth story is of course the truth. But NO ONE has said anything either way. Most curious.

midnightcajun said...

I suspect Sarah is keeping close to the real timeline of events and developments, simply substituting herself for Bristol.

Given her very unChristian behavior on so many issues, I can easily see Sarah deciding to have Bristol abort to save Sarah the political embarrassment of having an unwed pregnant 16 year old daughter. Perhaps Todd is less hypocritical than Sarah, so dad wasn't told. Mom and daughter fly to New York in October to have an abortion, far from tattling tongues in Alaska.

They go in for the preliminary counseling, with the procedure scheduled several days later. But at the last minute, Bristol balks ("It was MY idea to have the baby.") Sarah throws a fit, but Bristol won't budge. They go home. Sarah may think she can coerce Bristol into giving in, but B remains firm. So Sarah pulls her out of school, sends her to her aunt, and they finally tell the Dude.

I don't believe they had amnio at all. No reason with such a young mother. THAT part of the story was made up later to amp up the wattage on Sarah's halo--"I knew I was going to have a DS baby but didn't give into temptation and abort." I don't think Trig's DS was discovered until after he was born, premature, sometime in late February.

And to go back to the "I'm a slut" Myspace comment, that is usually made by young women who are having sex with more than one man at a time. Levi might think Trig is his, but the father could be an older man.

Molly said...

Oops ProchoiceGrandma,

I meant, the picture of Sarah pregnant with Piper.

Link?

NoMore said...

OK. My 2 cents about having the amnio for paternity testing: If they *actually did* do an amnio for that purpose, that implies that they would have had to ask any/all potential fathers to submit a DNA sample. THAT in itself would have raised a big stink, IMHO.
So, to me, amnio for paternity questions is out - at least in BP-is-Trigs-mom circumstance.

midnightcajun said...

One last comment: on the fall 07 photo with Bristol showing a possible baby bump, knowing Sarah, I suspect she mainly looked at how SHE looked in that photo, with a quick glance at the other family members to make certain they weren't looking absolutely goofy. It really is not a flattering photo of Bristol's face either: she looks plumper than normal, and her makeup is bad--far too orange, clumsily applied. Mom obviously doesn't pay much attention to that child. I doubt she noticed Bristol's baby bump before OR after the photo was taken. She probably just thought her teen had been eating too many "freedom fries".

Lilybart said...

Midnightcajun, about that amnio story...there would be no reason for Bristol to have one and no reason for Sarah either if there is no history of birth defects and she won't abort even a rapist's child.

Also, Willow didn't know the baby would have DS. Normal families would talk about this before the birth, get everyone ready.

I believe the DS was a surprise.

B said...

Windy City Woman said... Why would they marry secretly? Wouldn't the Palins want any such marriage publicized, to show that Bristol and Levi have "family values"? ***

Here's a possible "why":
I recall Sue the caterer mentioning rumors that Levi and Bristol were married in spring 2008. That's when Levi finished hockey, dropped out of school, and took a job on the slope.

The idea would be that they had a shotgun wedding connected to TriG's birth. This could be when Levi began staying at the Palin house on his weeks off and "working his butt off parenting."

Perhaps it was a religious wedding to appease God but without a marriage license. Perhaps he wore a ring before the RNC and resumed wearing it after he was out of the public eye. Maybe he wears a different ring and Molly and Sarah were teasing him about being "stuck" with Bristol and TriPP-to-be.

The problem with introducing him to the RNC as Bristol's husband would have been that people would ask when they married, maybe find the records in Alaska or Idaho. What if the marriage happened before summer 2008 when Bristol learned of her TriPP pregnancy. Marrying in February, say, would suggest it was connected to TriG and that they were TriG's parents, which Sarah was trying to avoid.

Being married could explain Sherry's happiness on learning of TriPP. If Sarah had told McCain, "Thanks, but no thanks," Levi and Bristol might be a relatively happy young married couple living with a child. He would work on the slopes, she would finish school. By age 30 they might divorce, like many others do who marry young.

sg said...

For those of you who have been reluctant to listen to SP's RTL speech, Ruth Marcus of the WaPo has written a column analyzing SP's remarks from a pro-choice perspective.

http://tinyurl.com/cexwgj

RM quotes SP at length, so you can read exactly what SP said on the matter.

Note: SP says she considered having an abortion on two occasions: once after learning she was pregnant, then again after obtaining the amnio results.

B said...

NoMore, maybe Bristol told Johnny she was pregnant and he was the father, and he said, "Prove it."

B said...

midnightcajun, I agree the slut comment suggests Bristol had more than one sexual partner. I agree with Audrey that the mother duck comment could mena almost anything.

B said...

dipsydoodlenoodle said... A May conception date would correspond to a February 2008 birth ***

This is possible but highly improbable. She lived in Juneau most of May. She would have attended Wasilla High until she was 7 months pregnant. Maybe she could hide up till 6 months, but not 7. TriG would have been two months old when introduced as a newborn. He doesn't look that old, even considering a DS baby may not thrive as much as non-DS. I don't think the camo dress photo looks like she's 4 months along. Why would she go with Sarah to NYC at 5 months? Too late for a clinic abortion, past time for an amnio.

A May 2007 pregnancy doesn't work for me. But anything's possible.

MrsTarquinBiscuitbarrel said...

Midnightcajun, your suggestion that BP's bump might have been due to overindulging in "freedom fries" made me laugh out loud! You also made an excellent point, in that GINO probably looks first and most critically at how SHE comes off in the "perfect family" pictures.

And we also don't know how the Palin family has dealt with its 3:1birth ratio of girls to boys (before TriG, that is). If that family is anything like my own family of origin (and I suspect it is), the Palins may not have been entirely thrilled at having so many more girls than boys. We already KNOW, from the extended family itself, about Chuck Heath's hup-hup-hup parenting shtick with his daughters--even to the extent of having them take out hunting tags so that he could bag animals in their names. One way a girl can do what only a girl CAN do is to give birth...

Also, SP is so obsessive about how SHE looks that I can easily imagine her hassling her daughters about "looking fat."

The truth will out. Thanks to all of you for helping to see that it does!

Doubting Thomas said...

pearlygirl said... ~snip~ "On a side note, I am not familiar with New York's policy for abortions, but most clinics have REQUIRED counseling and a waiting period of a few days to a week before the actual procedure just to make sure that the woman has really made a rational decision and had time to consider all options. There are a lot of caring people who work at these clinics and understand the importance of making the right "choice" for your situation. I would think that only a private doctor would do one same day request style and it would cost a bit more."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Being curious, I googled "new york abortion laws". One of the very first links I came across was this;
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/15248/
"The Abortion Capital of America
As the pro-life movement intensifies nationwide, New York contemplates its history and future as a refuge.
In 1970, New York passed the most permissive abortion law in America, one that defined the state as the country’s abortion refuge. Overnight, a new industry materialized in New York City, promoting itself to women across the country. The pitches were often blunt. A newspaper ad from the time inquired, “Want to be un-pregnant?”



Thirty-five years later, New York has the highest abortion rate in America. In 2000, the last year for which good data are available, 39 out of every 1,000 women in the state ended a pregnancy, for a total of 164,000 abortions that year. In America, one of every ten abortions occurs in New York, and in New York, seven of every ten abortions are performed in New York City. In absolute terms, there are more abortions performed on minors, more repeat abortions, and more late abortions (over 21 weeks) in New York City than anywhere else in the country. In parts of the city, the ratio of abortions to births is one to one......"
Interesting read, and there is much more article, but I thought the first couple of paragraphs would be sufficient for our needs here at PD.

I noticed a few comments regarding the WV (Word Verification for the new comers). For those of you who are new here and do not know our "game" of WV. We have noticed over the last (almost) a year, that the WV's sometimes mimic or give clues to the Palin Deceptions. Or at least can give us a smile when you decipher them.
For example, mine right now is "splitivi" this could mean "Split evenly" meaning the amount of people who believe in the Palin Deception of Sarah Not being Trig's Mother....or "SP (Sarah Palin) literally vies (lies)"

Amy1 said...

Molly -- so good to know that someone else is on the same hobby-horse that I am -- thinking about the amnio-paternity thing.

It has puzzled me that all along the amnio has been mentioned by SP's team. So let's assume it took place. All along, it was described as taking place at 13 weeks, an oddly early time. If it was a lie, why pick an odd time rather than the usual time of 16 weeks?

But that still doesn't answer the qu of WHY a pro-life teen would want an amnio?

I recall the comment "I was sorry when I found out it was yours" from BP to LJ. So that suggests uncertainty and then some mechanism for knowing.

If testing is done for one's own info (vs for use in court), getting the sample of the presumably unwilling Dad candidates does not seem that complicated. First, it's not some huge list. Just the usual suspects. To rule someone out would be good info too, in case one didn't get DNA from every candidate.

I am also assuming that the atmosphere of heavy partying and substance abuse would allow for the inclusion of some pretty wild candidates as potential bioDads. It might be easy to get a buccal swab (q-tip swipe of inner cheek) from some of these people, even without their knowledge or consent -- during heavy drinking/napping by the tested person while the swab-collector remains able to function, for example. It's possible that hair could be used, and that would for sure be easy to get.

If I imagine myself in the bioMom's place, I would want to (1) know AND (2) know that I could substantiate my knowledge via a later DNA test that would work as proof in court. HOWEVER, just because I did the test (and knew either who was the bioDad or who was not) does not mean that I would have to tell anyone what I knew.

I might know (based on my own recollection as well as the testing who it is or is not). I might know that the bioDad is unsuitable. If so, I might make up a different story to tell the pseudo-Dad I wanted as the official one for my child, assuming there were enough supporting events to make that credible.

After all, what's the big deal of saying "person A is the bioDad" (even if he is not) when the next step is to sign the baby over to SP so she can do her PG ruse.

I think we should remember our question early in the process of thinking about this: what could have been so shocking or scandalous or difficult that it would have motivated SP to attempt this outrageous hoax?

A simple unwed teen pregnancy does not seem to be it, esp since we see how matter-of-factly it was handled in the case of Tripp.

Yellowgirl said...

I just spent some time googling NY abortion laws to determine waiting periods and length of the procedure, etc.

From what I've seen, in NY there is no waiting period. A second trimester abortion (13 to 24 weeks) can take one or two full days. (One clinic's site I went to said it could be done in one day up to 19 weeks, the other said it took two full days, period, in the second trimester).

Therefore, depending on where she went, she didn't need waiting time but would need up to 2 days for the procedure plus of course recommended recovery downtime. Add in the "conference", and the 5 day stay seems about right, doesn't it?

Also, I know they talk about "amnio", but I am wondering if maybe whoever was pg had a CVS instead. CVS is much more common and safer in the 13 week time frame. Now, *why* someone would have CVS remains questionable-- I don't think the CVS would necessarily give you DNA results (?), but it would tell you about DS and other birth defects, if, for example, a nuchal fold test (the fairly routine ultrasound scan done around week 11 to look for signs of potential DS) and/or the APF blood test (also to look for higher risk of potential DS) came back positive.

Just cause GINO says it was an amnio, doesn't make it so, and lots of lay people confuse early amnio and CVS, anyhow.

Lilybart said...

I am still struck by how many photos are gone from the ADN website. I get links to photos from Feb and Mar 2008 from blog discussions in Sept of 08 and there is nothing at the link. Over and over.

This again goes to my point about the missing evidence being more curious than what we know.

Did Palin have an ugly two months so she hates all those photos? Her only talent is being photogenic, so I dont' think that is correct.

So why are ONLY those photos gone?

Has anyone ever asked the ADN where those photos are? Doesn't anyone know an employee there?

Too weird, no photos, no gossip, black hole.

Betsy S said...

The "Me and my two most cynical partners" guy, A. B. Culvahouse said that SP filled out the whole questionnaire for VP vetting, excepting one item that she would discuss privately. That item was Bristol's pregnancy.
He didn't say which one. If it was the first, and SP confided in the GOP about her ridiculous ruse, it would be an easy step for the Republican big guys to scrub everything off My Space, take out the You Tube snaps, shut up the MSM, hush up the service personnel, and advise SP to ignore any simple requests for a Trig birth certificate. Although it's a sort of dated and ridiculous idea to fake a pregnancy for one's daughter, there might have been something a little noble about it to begin with, and like all other conspiracies of our age, if you can get people to talk about something else, and wait long enough, eventually they won't question the original crime.
Think 9/11.

LondonBridges said...

Sarah's rtl speech was on C-Span today. I was able to avoid puking by quickly hitting the remote.

Keep in mind that there is likely some truthiness in Sarah's statements, but exact dates and events are likely to have been changed to protect the guilty.

Sarah in SC said...

CVS gives you the exact same results as amnio, just many weeks sooner. You get chromosomes, and you can find out paternity, if that's one of your questions.

And I just have to say that there are plenty of pro-lifers who get CVS or amnio. I'm one of them.

Chrystal said...

I have been a dedicated reader of this blog since last fall but never really posted anything. I am amazed by all the work everyone has done and 100% believe SP did not have Trig.

I live in Fairbanks. Our paper, The Daily News-Miner, has a small section called "Community Snapshots" that is not included in the online version. Normally, the pictures are of someone from a local business giving a check to a charity or organization. Last week, I was looking at Diana's wonderful timeline and I had an Aha! (or maybe a duh!) moment. I wondered if there were pictures from the AHA luncheon last February in the Community Snapshots. I went to the library and checked the micro-film of the News-Miner from that time period. Unfortunately, there were no pictures, but I wanted to let everyone know someone had checked.

Mary G. said...

Thanks to Yellowgirl and Doubting Thomas for the info regarding NYC and "on-demand" abortions. I do think it raises some very reasonable questions about the Palin-and-daughter trip to the big apple--the only place Bristol is reported to have gone until.... the mysterious AHA luncheon (how an affair attended by 350 can be mysterious, I'll never know).

Also, I agree with Dangerous that the "well-known" "open" secret of Bristol's pregnancy with Tripp is rather suspicious--the only reports about, oh, yeah, everyone knew came after the fact....

SG, thank you for the links to the early articles about Palin--I went and checked them (many of these follow the script of the "well-known" secret rumor--often without naming anyone who heard it). In this spirit, I checked out one of my favorite early articles, a PBS interview between Ray Suarez and Michael Carey of the ADN (a long excerpt follows--my point is that the rumors were the Bristol is Trig's mother rumors, not the newly-announced 5 month pregnancy as of Sept. 1--go to http://tinyurl.com/dmf9bn): when asked, did you hear this rumor about Palin's 17-year-old daughter being pregnant:
MICHAEL CAREY: Well, I'm not there; I'm here. And I have not -- I'll give you an example of how this took people by surprise. On Friday, I went into work and started working on this particular story about the -- about Palin becoming vice president. But in the middle of the afternoon, the editor, Pat Doherty, said, would you like to go to Minneapolis? I said, yes. That's about what I knew at that point and none of us knew that Bristol Palin was pregnant. We didn't know anything.

I mean, I think there have been in the daily news and some other reporting sort of the thought that, oh, yeah, this was common knowledge among certain people in Wasilla. People have said that, that being the governor's hometown. But I don't think that -- in a newsroom, as interested and gossip and good stories as ours, I did not hear this. I heard the other story, which is the fake pregnancy story. And maybe you want to go on to that at some point.

RAY SUAREZ: Well, that --

MICHAEL CAREY: The other part of the soap opera.

RAY SUAREZ: Well, that seems to have been what smoked out the Bristol Palin story, the attempt to put the first story to rest that came. Tell us more about the first one, which I guess was highlighted on the Daily Kos website.

MICHAEL CAREY: Yeah, that's been -- that story has been around for quite a while. I first heard it when a lawyer who I like very much and is a very smart guy presented this to me as the absolute truth.

RAY SUAREZ: That is, that Governor Palin was not pregnant?

MICHAEL CAREY: No, and that the whole thing was faked because she was covering up for her daughter who was pregnant. And the daughter was having the child and Sarah claimed it was her child and faked the pregnancy so as not to embarrass the daughter and not to create I guess political backlash for some kind of conservative values concern.

This pregnancy story is now sort of up against the numbers of her real pregnancy, how she could have two pregnancies in X number of months is not answered.

Me: Weird, huh???

Lilybart said...

I am sure you have seen this but it is a blog by a guy who was an intern in the Gov's office. Comments on how she didn't look pregnant.http://todercan.com/2008/04/legislative-internship-2008

with a photo

wayofpeace said...

MARY G,

this is a GREAT find:

"MICHAEL CAREY: Yeah, that's been -- that story has been around for quite a while. I first heard it when a lawyer who I like very much and is a very smart guy presented this to me as the absolute truth."

it sure would help to know who this smart lawyer is?

Mary G. said...

Yes, WayOfPeace, it would be so great to know who some of these people are! I am sure there was quite a bit of disbelief when Palin claimed Trig as her biological child. That has certainly been scrubbed. And this strange sleight-of-hand with the Tripp pregnancy--I think that stifled a lot of people.

Punkinbugg said...

Thank you for your "mining" expedition, Chrystal! Maybe somebody in Fairbanks has pictures on their personal camera --?

And MaryG has discovered the infamous dead-end photo links on the STATE of ALASKA TAXPAYER-FUNDED WEBSITE.

That raised the first red flag for me. Why remove pictures unless you have something to hide?

Would a request for those pictures come under the Freedom of Information Act? They were taken at state-funded events, right?

B said...

Chrystal said...I wondered if there were pictures from the AHA luncheon last February in the Community Snapshots. I went to the library and checked the micro-film of the News-Miner from that time period. Unfortunately, there were no pictures, but I wanted to let everyone know someone had checked.

Chrystal,
Thank you so much. Just want to be sure: was it February 2008 papers that you checked? (Luncheon the 15th, coverage within a day or two?)

Do you know Janet Bartels, the AHA person in charge of the 2008 Go Red luncheon? If so, could you ask her what Palins came that day and which of them looked pregnant?

Are you able to find out if the local photographer was the same as in 2009 and might have some pictures for sale from February 2008? AHA doesn't have an answer.

I have wondered if the blog had any readers in Fairbanks and hoped someone would check the paper. Too bad nothing was there.

midnightcajun said...

Chrystal, thanks so much for checking the Fairbanks archives! If only...

In case you haven't seen it, the immoral minority has a posting that Levi has 24 hour security protection (that tells us something about how dangerous people in Wasilla think it is to cross Palin) and that he's going to be making another television appearance soon.

Grab the popcorn!

Amy1 said...

Yes, Mary G: wonderful find.

Congratulations!!

Because that person will surely come forward to self-identify when the weather for it is better -- when the risk of doing so isn't as high as it apparently is right now for the well-connected who know what's what.

When the dam breaks, there will be lots of separate sources of deluge. But who wants to be first? And risk being treated like CBS was on the Dan Rather (Bush military service) issues.

Remember the old Kennedy maxim -- was it Joe Kennedy's rule? -- that if you can keep the rumors out of the MSM (even when they are 100% true), keep the first MSM from breaking it, you are home free. And so it proved during JFK's lifetime and for some years afterwards.

ProChoiceGrandma said...

Hi Molly:
You asked about the picture that I saw of Sarah Palin when she was pregnant with Piper. Well, here is the picture, but let me explain further below.

From Alaskastock.com
Image Number:
351PL EX0022 001

“Mayor of Wasilla Sarah Palin with her husband Todd Palin at the end of the 2000 Iron Dog Snowmachine race, Fairbanks, Alaska"
http://tiny.cc/M1irY

Even though this is the Alaskastock picture that I saw last night, there was a longer and different blurb that said something to the effect that also in the picture, but not seen, is their daughter, Piper, who was born the following month. I do not recall specifically if it was in the caption or if it was in a statement below the picture. I believe Piper was born 3-19-01, and this photo says at end of the 2000 Iron Dog. Now I am really confused! Do I have the wrong year for Piper’s birth, or is the year incorrect on this photo? I distinctly remember about “born the following month” because I immediately thought of Questions and Answers timeline showing the timeline faces of the girls, and would like to have him/her do the same comparison with Sarah’s pregnant and faked pregnant faces.

How exasperating!

ProChoiceGrandma said...

I was doing a lot of searching last night and I came across an interesting tidbit. There is a place called Mat-Su Midwifery Inc., 2650 E. Broadview Avenue, Wasilla, AK 99654 which is about a 6 minute drive from Sarah Palin’s house on Lucille Lake. There is also Mat Su Regional Homecare & Hospice, 950 E. Bogard Rd, Wasilla, AK 99654 which is 3 miles from their house. It was the HOMECARE part that caught my eye. For supposedly a small town, Wasilla certainly has all kinds of amenities.

dipsydoodlenoodle said...

Kathleen at April 20, 2009 8:31 AM

I knew the comment wasn't meant to be taken seriously I just still didn't understand it. Thank you for clearing it up for me though :)

Truthseeker2 said...

The governor's office claims that no photos were scrubbed from the state website, only reorganized, if I recall correctly. Hopefully they know that lying about it is against the law.

wv: misig as in missing photos

Lady Rose said...

When I read that Levi had 24 hour protection - a cold shiver went down my spine - yes I know the Palin's are dangerous as far as ruining your chances of a job, making your life miserable - but to think that there is a real possibilty of danger to his health and possibly even his life - well that is just down right creepy

That certainly explains why no one is coming forward with the truth. The Palin's probably have a lot of folks scared - between the AIP and their church connections that is a lot of scary violent folks to be connected to that would do favors for them

There's needs to be a Support Levi fund - I'm sure all the security and lawyer help isn't cheap. I'd offer to help him relocated - but I know he would want to stay in Alaska to be near his son(s)?

B said...

ProChoiceGrandma, whatever the year, it's clear she looks pregnant. She could not zip her jacket. Thanks for the picture.

Ivyfree said...

" There is also Mat Su Regional Homecare & Hospice, 950 E. Bogard Rd, Wasilla, AK 99654 which is 3 miles from their house. It was the HOMECARE part that caught my eye. For supposedly a small town, Wasilla certainly has all kinds of amenities."

I've thought for some time that Bristol probably gave birth in a midwifery, for privacy. However, the HOMECARE part of homecare and hospice undoubtedly refers to what is often called Visiting Nurse. You go to the patient's home, assess the patient, give required treatments or wound care, and then leave. Sometimes they have bath aids that come and bathe patients, physical therapists that show up, etc. It's not likely to mean 24 hr/day nursing care in the home. I'd expect a hospital to have some kind of service like this in the region, even if it's not directly affiliated with the hospital. Lots of patients these days go home and need some kind of followup.

Doubting Thomas said...

Just for giggles, I googled "Mat-Su".
Lots of interesting results.
Palin likes to portray the valley as a small town. I live in a small town and I can tell you, Wasilla is no small town!!
One of the more interesting pieces I found was the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman online newspaper. The most talked about top stories in particular, as it shows the attitude of your average citizen in the Mat-Su valley.
http://www.frontiersman.com/top_talk/
the most talked about article is about...Sarah!! (177 comments!)
It sure was interesting to read the consensus of the community about the first family!

If I come across anything more of interest, I will be sure and let you all know about it!

B said...

I think Rex Butler would hire security for Levi whether or not he felt Levi needed it. Levi must have a bit of an upper hand at the moment: Chuck backed up so fast he was beeping. A security guard serves the dual purpose of making sure Levi stays out of trouble and doesn't speak of things where he can be overheard by tabloid reporters on airplanes. :)

Morgan said...

Chuck backed up so fast he was beeping.

ROFL!! Nice, B.

B said...

Ennealogic has a good short summary of Sarah's version of the TriG pregnancy, with footnotes, at her threebrain.blogspot.com.

Dangerous said...

RAY SUAREZ: Well, that seems to have been what smoked out the Bristol Palin story, the attempt to put the first story to rest that came. Tell us more about the first one, which I guess was highlighted on the Daily Kos website.

MICHAEL CAREY: Yeah, that's been -- that story has been around for quite a while. I first heard it when a lawyer who I like very much and is a very smart guy presented this to me as the absolute truth.

RAY SUAREZ: That is, that Governor Palin was not pregnant?

MICHAEL CAREY: No, and that the whole thing was faked because she was covering up for her daughter who was pregnant. And the daughter was having the child and Sarah claimed it was her child and faked the pregnancy so as not to embarrass the daughter and not to create I guess political backlash for some kind of conservative values concern.

This pregnancy story is now sort of up against the numbers of her real pregnancy, how she could have two pregnancies in X number of months is not answered.
Folks, this is a classic example of unattributed second-hand hearsay, a.k.a. gossip. MSM will not report it without attributed corroboration, and tabloids won't pursue it if the gossip has been debunked. (They don't want to look foolish anymore than MSM.) It's true that tabloids will have huge headlines such as:

PROOF OF ALIENS ON EARTH

but inside it will always be attributed to some lunatic who claims to have proof. The tabloid itself doesn't say editorially one way or another, leaving it to the reader to decide after they've bought the paper based on the headline.

Tabloids are going to report anonymous people like us concluding Bx2 when Bristol pregnancy with Tripp all but rules it out. They would need something other than speculation to report a February birth date from an anonymous source. If Audrey or someone else here went public with her real name and presented all the evidence and speculation to National Enquirer or some other tabloid, they might be interested. But I doubt anyone is prepared to do that because the evidence for Bx2 isn't there. The evidence for Wx1/Bx1 isn't there, either.

One clean picture from the critical time period (Feb-Apr 2008) of either Bristol or Willow looking larger than normal and you'd have the story.

Thanks to Chrystal for the effort. (Perhaps the PD researchers can confirm the findings.)

While I put little stock in gossip, note that Mr. Carey repeats that SP "was covering for her daughter who was pregnant." He only talks about SP's "daughter", although they talk about Bristol by name before then.

We all assumed the "daughter" of the rumor was Bristol. That includes me at first. I just dropped the assumption which is why I don't rule out Willow based on an assumption.

Dangerous

midnightcajun said...

ProChoiceGrandma has an interesting link to a photo officially said to be "“Mayor of Wasilla Sarah Palin with her husband Todd Palin at the end of the 2000 Iron Dog Snowmachine race, Fairbanks, Alaska"
http://tiny.cc/M1irY

This is a picture of Sarah with Todd, Track, and Bristol. Sarah is pregnant. But it can't be with Piper, can it? When Piper was born, Bristol was around eleven, whereas the little girl in this photo looks more like four or five to me--and that child really looks like Bristol, not Willow. Is it possible the bun in the oven is Willow? How long has Todd been polluting the air with his snowmobile racing? This wouldn't be the first time we've seen pictures of Palin misdated. And she really doesn't look 8 months pregnant, although her face certainly is fat.

ProChoiceGrandma said...

B said:
"Chuck backed up so fast he was beeping."
OMG! That was hysterically funny! Gives a great visual image. Good one, B!

Dangerous said...

B,

I followed your link and noticed your comment correcting the reporting on the AK Airlines flight attendant quote.

Unfortunately, critics are unforgiving of any error and can claim exaggeration to dismiss all of it, even the documented stuff. That's the age we live in.

SP's position is her best defense. If the woman in question was Sarah Nilap running for VP of the local school board, nobody would believe the nonsense wild ride and birth story. The conclusion of a faked pregnancy would be obvious because nobody is that reckless. Certainly, nobody admits to such reckless behavior except to cover something worse. Example:

"I couldn't have murdered my wife, officer. I was holding up the 7-Eleven across town."

Dangerous

B said...

midnightcajun said...
"This is a picture of Sarah with Todd, Track, and Bristol."

I agree it is Sarah, Todd, and Track, but Bristol is not pictured. She's just a couple of years younger than Track. The age difference is bigger than that between the two kids shown. The girl is Willow, the belly Piper.

Jennifer said...

A few observations regarding pregnancy issues:

1. The SP picture where she was pregnant with Track does not necessarily mean she would have looked like that in subsequent pregnancies. I got HUGE in my first pregnancy (gained 49 lbs, had a 10lb, 12 oz baby) and learned my lesson in my next 2 pregnancies (only gained 24 lbs, had 2 8lb, 14 oz babies). The point is, I looked like a GIANT for #1 and not so much for #2 and #3.

2. Amniocentesis. It is offered to all pregnant women around week 15. And, yes, a very YOUNG mother could opt to have it because very YOUNG mothers also have a high risk of DS babies (just like older women). In fact, more young mothers have children with DS than older mothers. (But, that's because more younger women actually have babies than older women. The percentage is not greater in younger women.) Also, though I had my babies a little bit older in life (32, 34 and 36), I never had an amnio. Why? Because there is risk of miscarriage and I wasn't going to abort, no matter what it showed. On my second pregnancy, I asked the doctor WHY I would have an amnio if it wasn't going to affect my decision to carry the pregnancy to term. He said that the only affect it might have is that he would actually have me deliver in another city (I lived at the time in a smaller city, about an hour from the capitol of the state with wonderful hospitals, doctors and neonatalogists.) So, if amnio had showed concerns, I would have delivered elsewhere so that my baby could have had better medical care.

Hmmm...wonder why SP wouldn't have been given the same option? It just doesn't add up. Why have the amnio in the first place if you aren't going to abort? If you do want to know what you're dealing with since she did have "advanced maternal age," why didn't she deliver in Dallas, or even Juneau? I know it's been said ad nauseum, but she risked the life of her child with the "wild ride." I can actually excuse her adopting a child that one of her children had to cover for her...but I could NOT excuse her risking Trig's life to have him in a podunk, country hospital.

Gwynedd said...

Re: the older picture of Palin and family at the Iron Dog:

This picture was discussed on Audrey's 11/21/08 "New Policy" post (only briefly; it is definitely an obscure picture). Here was Patrick's answer:
To anonymous, November 25, 2008 2:05 PM:

Yes, you are right: The two pictures of which I thought that the might be from the Iron Dog race in 2001 (which took part in Feb 2001), are not from 2001. Further research showed that they are actually from 1999. Therefore there is still no picture of Sarah Palin available so far which shows her highly pregnant with Piper (who was born on the 19th March 2001).
Patrick
November 26, 2008 9:29 AM
...but I cannot remember what finally led to the conclusion that this race was earlier. I'm sure Patrick will answer ASAP but I will also try to dig up the answer.

Chrystal said...

B said...
Chrystal,
Thank you so much. Just want to be sure: was it February 2008 papers that you checked? (Luncheon the 15th, coverage within a day or two?)

Do you know Janet Bartels, the AHA person in charge of the 2008 Go Red luncheon? If so, could you ask her what Palins came that day and which of them looked pregnant?

Are you able to find out if the local photographer was the same as in 2009 and might have some pictures for sale from February 2008? AHA doesn't have an answer...


I looked through Feb 21,08 just to be sure. I don't know Janet Bartels, but I will see what I can find out.

midnightcajun said...

To answer my own question, I had a chance to look up the Palins' ages on Wikipedia. According to them, Track was born in 1989, Bristol in 1990, Willow in 1995, and Piper in 2001. I had thought there was more of a spread between Track and Bristol, since she was only a junior last year and he was in the Army (did he inlist at 17 or something?). So the child in the photo must be Willow, although it really does look like B.

B said...

Levi, Sadie, and Sherry tomorrow will be on CNN's Larry King Live.

The show's website gives this address to email your questions:

www.cnn.com/feedback/
forms/form5.lkl.html

I have seen that some of you are good at getting to the point, isolating the missing link, lining up photos needing explanantion. I don't know if Larry will take them seriously or if Rex will let Levi et al. answer them, but it is worth a try.

Larry King had a coup with his Ross Perot interview. Maybe he's hungry for another breakthrough. He also has at least one young child by his current, gazillionth wife, so he may feel for Palin's props and pawns in this deception.

Ginger said...

I'm surprised Andrew Halcro's latest blog hasn't been mentioned.

He's leaving (darn) and is showing some of the material he had in his archives.

If you scroll down the first page you will see a picture of Sarah that was taken March 17, 2008. Four weeks before Trig's birth. It was the Alaska State Rep. Conv.

Just more evidence!

JJ said...

Levi and Mercede and Mom on Larry King tomorrow (Wednesday) night!!
GO LEVI!! And please ask the right questions, Larry!!!

cooky said...

Follow Larry King on Twitter and send him your questions: https://twitter.com/kingsthings

Liz I. said...

For Diana and all archivists of Palin photos:

Andrew Halcro is ending his blog and doing a series of "retro" posts. A sharp-eyed poster at Mudflats noticed this one "Pondering Parnell vs. Young"

http://tiny.cc/Y6hYG

which has a photo of Sarah Palin captioned March 17, 2008 at the State Republican convention. It is impossible to me to believe, looking at that photo, that Palin gave birth one month later to Trig.

(WV is "forth". I hope that means the straightforth truth will come out forthwith.)

Punkinbugg said...

*TV Alert!* Levi Johnston will be on Larry King tonight! (April 21)

I just submitted this question at cnn.com/larryking:


"When you were on the Tyra Banks show recently, there was a slideshow that repeatedly showed a picture of you holding Trig Palin in the Palin's kitchen, even though you were there to discuss Tripp Johnston.

Because of questionable "pregnancy" pictures and zero birth certificates produced to quash the rumors, many people believe that Sarah is not the mother of Trig Palin.

By giving Tyra's producers that picture, were you perhaps suggesting that Trig is not Sarah's baby, and belongs instead to you and Bristol, too?"


Wonder if he has the nerve to ask him!?! Maybe if he heard from enough of us bloggers...?

Punkinbugg said...

Woops sorry - Levi appears on Wednesday night -- April 22 -- plenty of time to submit questions!

AKPetMom said...

My apologies as it's come out that the photo from UAA on the Halcro blog was actually from Sept 07.

JJ said...

Oh, wow! Larry King is asking for viewer's questions when Levi is on the show tomorrow night.... where to start?

http://tinyurl.com/5pbxqt

Sarah in SC said...

Morgan--if this post is too long, or you feel it is too OT, please feel free to do with it what you like.)

Jennifer said...
A few observations regarding pregnancy issues:


Why have the amnio in the first place if you aren't going to abort?

Wow--this question comes up so often. I don't know if this one is directed specifically at GINO, or if this is the rhetorical version of the question ;) , but after a bunch of inquiries along the same lines over at Mudflats the other night, I posted the following. (I'm just going to copy & paste, and I apologize for its length, but it's just not possible to explain issues like this in 50 words or less!) :)

I do want to preface this, however, with the caveat that this is in NO WAY a defense of Sarah Palin. I don't believe the question actually applies to her, because I don't believe she ever had amnio (or CVS, which is what "early amnio" is called now), because there's NO WAY she carried or delivered that sweet, precious baby. BUT, this should provide answers to the question, "Why would someone pro-life have an amnio, anyway?"

Again, I apologize for the length. But this is one of the issues that made me look so hard at this whole pregnancy thing in the first place. As someone who struggled to carry babies, and experienced so much loss, the cavalier way she treated the delivery story, and the way she tosses that precious baby around like a sack of flour--it nearly makes me come unglued. (Deep breath!)

-----------------
From Mudflats:

I just want to make a comment about the idea that no pro-life person would ever have an amniocentisis. You can’t make blanket statements like this–not everyone can be painted with the same brush. Here’s why:

I would say that I’m just about as pro-life as they come–Roman Catholic, have 4 children, etc. I would have taken as many as I was blessed with. Unfortunately, I was also blessed with this little thing called a balanced translocation of chromosome 13 & 14, which is medical-speak for “only 1 out of 3 pregnancies will result in a live birth.” We lost 3 babies before our first child, 3 in between child 1 & 2, then # 3 came 19 months after #2. After that, we lost 3 more (including one at 20 weeks of pregnancy), and finally were blessed with the little one in my lap that turned 2 years old today.

We had genetic counseling (medical speak for “let’s look at your chromosomes to see what’s so screwed up that’s causing all these miscarriages”) after the first 3 losses. That’s when they discovered our “problem.” There is no “fix” for our chromosomal issues–there either is or is not enough “genetic material” for the little life to continue. We had at least 2 babies that we knew from ultrasounds that there was a heartbeat, but it was so slow that it was just a matter of time before it stopped–and we had to wait for that to happen–long, agonizing weeks of wondering when your baby would die. Then there were the ones that would get all the way to 11, 13, and 20 weeks and we’d discover no heartbeat. That was just as far as they could make it. I don’t think there is any possible way, in words, to describe the devastating kind of pain that comes with longing for a child and having this kind of loss occur. It was almost unbearable, emotionally and physically.

So, when a doctor tells you, aged 35 or not (only 1 of my children was born after I was 35), that an early amnio (now they refer to this as CVS testing–it was “early amnio” 12 years ago, with my first(and was, actually, amnio--the 2 procedures are completely different))–that an early amnio can tell you whether all the chromosomes are there or not, and whether you should get completely “invested” in the pregnancy and the idea of bringing a baby home–let me tell you, it doesn’t matter how “pro-life” you are–the risks of a miscarriage from the amnio or CVS are significantly lower than the risk of miscarriage from the whole chromosomal deal.

I would say that after 13 pregnancies, I classify as “extremely pro-life.” But I absolutely had amnio/CVS with 2 of my children–I would have been stupid not to. If we were lucky enough to carry a Trisomy 13 baby to term, then the birth and any time the baby lived past birth were going to require some extreme measures of care, and numerous specialists and therapists. The moments and days following a birth of a special needs baby are not the best times to be just starting to track those down. Preparations need to be made, not to mention preparing siblings (and yourself) for the special needs of this precious baby. I could continue to give examples of how that information would be helpful, but I think I’ve gone on too long, and most of you are probably skipping ahead thinking “TMI, lady!”

So, believe me, I am NO GINO fan at all–I wish I’d never heard of the callous, psychotic wacko–but the amnio thing just isn’t the big “aha!” (gotcha!) chink in the armor. She’s got plenty of those–and I can’t wait for Team Levi to start using the ammo they’ve got–but the amnio isn’t it. Plenty of us pro-lifers have amnios, and for very valid, very good reason.

She just didn’t, because I don’t believe she carried him. And I don’t believe she deserves that precious little guy at all. I just pray he’s getting what he needs–and I pray he never hears the tape of her saying she considered, even for a moment, the idea of aborting him. Yeah, thanks, “Mom.”

(Sorry for the novel length post. I just really needed to clear up that misconception.) (no pun intended)

Windy City Woman said...

Maybe Sarah didn't notice Bristol's pregnant tummy in the official picture because, at that point, she had no reason to look for one, no reason to believe Bristol might be pregnant.

If an amnio were done to determine paternity, and Bristol was the one who was pregnant, would they bother looking for DS or other exceptional conditions? Given that Bristol was a teen, and the odds of DS in a teen are very remote? Do they get DS-revealing info automatically?

Maybe Bristol knew who had fathered Trig, based on when she was dating which fellow, but the father himself demanded proof.

Regarding NY's abortion rate, sometimes some locations have higher rates because neighboring areas have fewer facilities. I don't know if that is true in this case, as many of the states which border NY are pretty liberal. Also, if later abortions are done in NY but not in neighboring states, people might travel to NY for that reason, again, inflating the NY abortion rates.

rpinME said...

re: Halcro picture

Interesting--the picture may be from September 2007, but the jacket she's wearing is _the same_ ubiquitous jacket that she wears in most of the pictures from the spring of 2008.

wayofpeace said...

W O W !!!

i just saw the MARCH 17, 2008 picture of SP: this is from a month away from supposedly giving birth to TRIG.

there's no PADDING, no hint of artificial or of a real baby-bump. she is a svelte as she can be.

even CRAIG has to admit that this one is damning (but maybe not).

wayofpeace said...

AKPetMom,

where did you learn the pic is from '07 rather than '08? the title beloe the photo has the '08 date...

Liz I. said...

Thanks for the heads-up about the correct date of the Halcro Palin photo.

I should know enough by now not to trust ANY date given for a Palin photo outside this blog!

Is Palin working overtime to obscure the photographic record?

Ennealogic said...

I asked Mr. Halcro (in an e-mail message) if he could supply the date for the picture he's posted above a dateline of March, 2008. He wrote back and told me the photo was from September 2007.

So, as enticing as it is, we can't take much from the image. I've saved it anyway. Just for grins.

B said...

midnightcajun, Track and Bristol were two school years apart because he has an April birthday and she has an October birthday.

Palin Pregnancy Truth said...

To Sarah SC,

I'm not sure I believe that post from Mudflats.

Or at least I don't follow the logic. If you are pro-life and aren't going to abort the fetus, why would you risk complications (that could result in death or disfigurement) just to mentally prepare yourself. That seems selfish and completely against pro-life logic.

I get not wanting to invest mentally in an eventual miscarriage. But if you only have a 1 in 3 shot of conceiving a healthy child why create further risk in the name of mental preparedness? Even if that risk is small, I don't understand how putting an unborn child through an unneeded stress (that can result in the death of the fetus) is "pro-life".

My understanding of pro-life values is that every pregnancy, starting at conception, is valued as life. Even if that life won't develop into a healthy child or even be born, its still considered life. I can't understand how, if you believe this, you can justify putting this life through needless risks for your own sanity, no matter how small those risks are.

I get that pro-life is a spectrum, but I find this a weak defense for Sarah being fervently pro-life despite having amnio.

B said...

WindyCityWoman, If an amnio were done to get DNA for paternity purposes, Downs would be obvious. There are other conditions not as obvious that no one tests for unless there's a reason, like family history of cystic fibrosis.

Amy1 said...

Liz I: Could you repeat the link for the Mar 17 skinny photo of SP, pls? I don't see it.

onething said...

I have to weigh in with those who don't find any import in the mother duck statement.
It simply doesn't strike me as the sort of comment a newly pregnant teen would make in regards to her pregnancy. Too flippant and also kind of off kilter.

Bretta said...

Sarah in SC said:
""...then the birth and any time the baby lived past birth were going to require some extreme measures of care ... following a birth of a special needs baby ...not the best times to be just starting to track down... preparations... for the special needs of this precious baby.""

I so heartily agree!! Our first daughter was born with special needs, nothing that could have been determined by pre-natal testing.

We did not get good advice on her first most obvious condition, so something that should have been corrected in the first few days was delayed, resulting several surgeries up to five years old.

It took us years, I mean YEARS, and many doctors and therapists to figure it out. I think we got the second diagnosis of her four conditions by the third grade. By this time she had suffered significant brain damage.

SP hasn't talked about how much of the parents' life a special needs child takes up in any of her speeches. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Sarah in SC said...

"Palin Pregnancy Truth said...
To Sarah SC,

I'm not sure I believe that post from Mudflats."

Well, you can believe it or not believe it. I am the author, however, and am telling you how it is.

"I get that pro-life is a spectrum, but I find this a weak defense for Sarah being fervently pro-life despite having amnio."

Read my post again, or not, no matter. I specifically said that this was not put forth as a defense for Palin, because I don't believe she ever carried the baby. It was to communicate that there ARE reasons for prenatal testing besides whether or not one would have an abortion, and that those reasons are extremely valid and reasonable, even for "extremely pro-life" people.

The "why would she even have prenatal testing done?" question is NOT the "gotcha" part of this equation. In my opinion, we could drop this "prenatal testing--why?" question about Sarah, and focus on Bristol. It had to be either about something they saw on a 20 week ultrasound that looked suspicious, or to establish paternity. Sarah obviously didn't have prenatal testing if she wasn't carrying the baby.

As to your other statements about your understanding of pro-life, chromosomal abnormalities, and risks to the baby, I obviously did not make the point strongly enough that (especially in my case) it's all a matter of odds. If the odds are that you're not going to carry the baby to term because of other issues, the risk of a miscarriage in comparison to those odds is quite different than if you're the average "joe six pack" whose odds are 1 in 800 (or whatever the statistic is for your age group) of an abnormality such as Down's.

If you're still not "getting" the hows & whys of chromosomal abnormalities, that's understandable. Unless you've had to deal with genetic issues, you're probably not familiar with how it all works. It's not necessary for the purposes of Palin's fake pregnancy for you to understand the hows & whys, so I don't expect that you would understand the rest of the "logic" that comes with multiple losses due to genetic issues. There's lots of information out there should you want it. I pray you never NEED it.

The question about prenatal testing should be: why did Bristol need it? Did they see something on u/s, or were they establishing paternity, or both? The other question could be about the timing of it & when the testing took place in relationship to the NY trip. That trip remains very suspicious. An itinerary from that trip (calendar pages?) would be very interesting.

Kathleen said...

As Ennalogic and Andrew Halcro have rightly pointed out that photo which Andrew has now changed was taken on September 4th, 2007.

It was up on SP's Alaska State website and now seems to be gone. It does look like they are rearranging the Alaska State website, yet again.

The photo was taken at Alaska State University and included Palin with Parnell at an ACES convention.

I have found a cached version

http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=66

And the link to the page

http://209.85.129.132/search?q=cache:k7GNzPYNBp8J:gov.state.ak.us/p...

It could have been taken down because Parnell is updating his photo page......perhaps they are moving them from the Gov's page to his? Who knows? But it seems to me that there is no mystery with regard to that particular photo.

Thanks again to our alert readers for keeping us on the ball.

Kathleen

nilap said...

My dream outcome for the LKL would be for Levi to announce he is asking for a paternity test for both babies and let the audience draw it's own conclusions . :).

Headtrip Honey said...

Awesome story on Huffington Post regarding Palin:

http://tinyurl.com/csqkuf

About how she blames bloggers (and anyone else) for her problems.

Morgan said...

**STERN MODERATOR WARNING**

Folks, we are not going to let this thread devolve into an abortion debate. We all have strong opinions I'm sure but I'm not about to approve comments that disparage the choices or personal experiences of others.

So drop it. Now.

Palin Pregnancy Truth said...

Thanks Morgan. In retrospect, my last comment was way off topic and not serving the blog in any way.

Your good judgment in moderating and approving comments are an essential part to PD. Without you and your work, I'm sure we'd devolve into the "senseless, angry bloggers" we are so often accused of being.

Back on topic, I do think the myspace info is useful. A common (and compelling) argument against Bristol being Trig's birth mother is that there is no way a bunch of teens could have been kept silent. This research demonstrates that teens such as Bristol DID communicate online but much effort went into removing this information, starting way before she was pregnant with Tripp but not wiping out her posts entirely.

Morgan said...

Thank you, Palin Pregnancy Truth. You're a gem. :-) I wish everyone was so understanding when I throw a Moderator Tantrum.

Has anyone else been over to Mudflats, Celtic Diva and Immoral Minority? Something's afoot folks. But before we get too excited apparently it is NOT Babygate related.

Hmmmm...

B said...

Thanks to Sarah in SC for the reminder that there are rational reasons why some pro-life women would have an amnio or CVS despite as much as a 1/100 risk of miscarriage.

However, I can't think of any rational reason why a woman in early labor knowing the baby would be premature and DS and have a slight heart condition would go on a 14 hour wild ride, mostly in an airplane with no access to a doctor or hospital and reduced air pressure, to deliver in her hometown hospital with no NICU.

Ivyfree said...

"I have to weigh in with those who don't find any import in the mother duck statement."

Yeah, me too. For all we know, she had cousins visiting and her parents told her to watch the youngest after school.

Anne said...

The National Enquirer is saying that Levi is shopping a book hoping to make enough money by telling what he knows about the Palins to fund his custody fight for Trip!

http://tinyurl.com/ce7jsj

Yippee!!!!

Jennifer said...

Sarah in SC -

The reason why Bristol would have CVS testing is because she would have been a very young mother. High risk of DS. It's that simple. Or maybe the Palins believe in CVS testing for all kids. I know a lot of people do.

For the record, I was not disparaging anyone who gets CVS testing. It's just not something with which my husband and I were comfortable.

My (obscure?) point was that, one receives CVS testing to determine if there's a problem that might require a different birth plan. If SP knew Trig had DS, you would think she would have had access to an alternate birth plan. Or at least made some sort of preparations for an infant being born needing interventions.

Sarah in SC said...

B said...

However, I can't think of any rational reason why a woman in early labor knowing the baby would be premature and DS and have a slight heart condition would go on a 14 hour wild ride, mostly in an airplane with no access to a doctor or hospital and reduced air pressure, to deliver in her hometown hospital with no NICU.

Exactly. Of course, the key words there are "rational" and "in labor." ;) Neither of which apply to El Gino Loco.

So now I'm counting the hours til Larry King! Do you think there will actually be any real questions? I'm thinking probably not, but what I'd give for a few big whoppers....but Larry usually does his best to uncover nothing.

Maybe Levi needs someone to edit his book for him....I'd volunteer!

Lilybart said...

B, Re: amnio....yes there are reasons for a pro-life woman to get an amnio, but Palin has NO history of any miscarriages or genetic problems, so she really has no excuse.

Her wild ride is proof enough that she didn't exactly care what happened to the fetus, if there was one.

Sheesh said...

An interesting discovery last night: I was on my MySpace account. I usually check in weekly (I use the account for my music biz). MySpace accounts have a blogging section and I haven't added anything in there since just before the election. The last 6 entries were all election related and were funny pictures with captions pulled from 'punditkitchen.com'. I had covered the political with funny pics of Obama, McCain and Hillary. The last two were specifically Palin related.

I was going to add a blog entry last night and noted that the two Palin pics (which were pretty funny but also pretty negative about her were pulled. No one else has access to my site. I have no idea when they were pulled since I hadn't looked in the blog section for several months. Those pics were added directly from my computer and not another source.

Was I scrubbed without knowing it? It just seems odd because the previous four pics were also added from my computer and also from pundit kitchen. I re-added them last night. Perhaps just a fluke but for only those two pics to be missing seems odd.

Lady Rose said...

This may have been discussed already - and I could be remembering incorrectly - But this just struck me as ODD...

in Sarah Palin's recent speech didn't she say she didn't know what a DS baby looked liked and had trouble finding info.?

But didn't she also say awhile back that when Piper (or one of the young daughters) saw Trig for the first time - she knew right away he had DS?

Soooooo.... if I'm remembering correctly - isn't it odd that Sarah didn't know but her very young daughter could recognize the physical characteristics?

Not that it adds anything to the questions of who is Trig's birthmother - but the inconsistency is just one more element of how she embellishes a story with inconsistencies

Ginger said...

If no one else has mentioned this, I wanted to call your attention to the latest issue of Star.

The cover has no reference but inside on pages 58/59, there is an article titled..."I Want my Son!"

Of course, it's Levi with the same pictures that were in the Mercede interview with US. There is one picture of Bristol carrying a car seat that I don't think I have seen before.

What was kind of exciting was Audrey's Palin's Deceptions is in the article with all the Bristol MySpace comments.

Maybe the MSM is really starting to take notice.

Gwynedd said...

Now that the dust is settling on the MySpace posts, I wanted to address a couple of issues I've noted in the comments, since I was one who looked at these comments pretty extensively.

Re: whether Willow was ever mentioned or hinted at in comments: never, as far as we saw. What that means is debatable, of course. Is it because there was never anything to find? Is it because there was something and it was scrubbed? Is there still something but we have never stumbled across it? On one hand, an explanation could be that the focus was on Bristol and Levi's circle of acquaintances. On the other hand, that circle widens pretty quickly on a social networking site.

And, in at least one other instance that occurred recently, specifically searching for some information uncovered innocuous comments that likely exclude Lauden as a candidate for a coverup. These comments also indicate that Lauden was out of the state (but accounted for) during the 2008 AHA luncheon. Therefore, in at least some instances, information is there for the finding. In Willow's case, it has not been.

I also would like to address the scrubbing topic and some specific comments in a little more detail, but I think I'll do it in subsequent comments for brevity's sake!

Hammer and a Feather said...

@Sheesh

That's scary as hell...

(wv: anomi ~ as in 'anom-i-ly'

Tina in TN

amy said...

Sarah in SC,

Yeah, I think the LKL interview isn't going to have any major revelations. Probably a few more "she changed after the election was over" type comments.

I'll be at a school board meeting and will miss it, but would rather read analyses on the blogosphere anyway.

sjk from the belly of the plane said...

Lady Rose, I think it just means that Piper is smarter than her mother!

Gwynedd said...

Another point I wanted to expand on is the possible scrubbing of comments. Could/did this really happen?

The way I see it is this: as late as November 2008, numerous comments left by Bristol during January-June 2007 still existed and were visible. At the time they were found, her account was "invalid", meaning that it had been cancelled in September 2008 or earlier.

As I understand it (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), comments that originated from a deleted account will eventually be removed by MySpace, although there appears to be no consistency in exactly how long it takes for this to happen. When all of the January-June 2007 comments suddenly disappeared in November 2008, I believe that this is what happened--MySpace finally got around to deleting them as part of its normal processes--so that I don't find mysterious.

It does, however, beg the question: what happened to any comments that she left after July 1, 2007? If they did exist (and based on the social, chatty nature of her comments to that point, my guess would be that they did), they too would have been visible last fall along with the January-June 2007 comments. Unless, of course, they were purposely deleted before the account was closed.

That is just IMHO, and if anyone has further insights into the workings of MySpace, it would surely be helpful. And Sheesh, your story is very interesting (and also creepy).

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