Over the next few days I intend to look at some of what has been released.
Today, I am going to focus on the most famous picture of all, this photo which was taken on the last day of the Alaska State Legislative Session (Sunday, April 13th) , in Juneau, with Andrea Gusty, a reporter for KTVA Channel 11 - CBS affiliate in Anchorage). I am also going to discuss a statement made by Cherie Shirey, the Assignment Manager for the same TV station.
Here is the photo - Click for larger version:
This photo has been controversial from its first appearance. I cannot determine for certain where or when it first appeared. The closest I can get is a Flickr account on 8/31. However, consensus is that it appeared nowhere prior to her announcement as the VP nominee on August 30, 2008. (If anyone can refute that please please do so.)
It's also a bit mysterious how it was released, as Andrea Gusty has been quoted by factcheck.org as saying:
We spoke with Gusty, who sent us this copy of the photo, and she told us she was surprised the photo had made it onto the Internet. “I was under the impression that nobody had it except for me.Well, someone must have had it because it WAS released, and it sounds as if Gusty is stating clearly it was NOT RELEASED by her. I have tried very hard to pin down its first source. The Daily Kos diary that first shows it attributes it to Free Republic which in turn links to a Flickr page.
There is a second photo on this same Flickr account, shown here.
So who is erik99559? His Flickr accounts shows two photos both uploaded, helpfully, on 8/31/2008. I don't know that it really matters, (though I would think Andrea Gusty might be a bit curious to know who Erik is since somehow he managed to get access to what she has said was a private photo.) I don't really have a problem with the fact that this photo did not come to light until after the pregnancy rumors hit the internet. Lots of photos of Gov. Palin (for example, the Philadelphia Zoo photo that was discussed yesterday) don't seem to have been released until after the nomination. With the great surge in interest in Gov. Palin it is only logical and to be expected that new photos would crop up.
However, there are only four photos in existence which show Gov. Palin between 3/5 and 4/18 in which her midsection is not obscured by a scarf, and three of these four were not released until after her nomination. Those photos are these two, the still shot of Palin with Elan Frank taken on or about 4/8, and the photo released on this blog, taken on 3/25 and posted to a Flickr account shortly after that. All other photos in existence of her from this time frame show her from the side, or back, obscured by - usually - floppy scarves and black jackets or other coats. The only one of the photos that shows her straight on that was available prior to the announcement of her nomination is the one I released on this blog. The three released after her nomination show her clearly pregnant, the one released before is ambiguous at the very best.
Andrea Gusty has stated clearly and explicitly that this photo was taken that day, that it is not photoshopped or altered in any way, and that is how Gov. Palin looked.
We also have a statement, made to Lee Stratham at the Huffington Post on 9/1/2008 by Cherie Shirey, the Assignment Manager at KTVA. She states:
These internet rumors are very bizarre. We worked with Governer Palin many times in 2008. Our reporters worked her on location and in the studio and I worked with her myself. She was definitely pregnant. You could see it in her belly and her face. The whole idea that Sarah Palin wasn't pregnant with Trig is completely, absolutely absurd.
Now, this is really really good news. The station worked with Palin many times. She looked pregnant. This is a TV station. That means... video tape, right?
Hmmm. Not so fast. In fact, as far as I can tell not a single interview done by KTVA of Palin after January 2008 is available, including, incredibly the one associated with the most famous picture above.
So... given what we have been told by Ms. Gusty and Ms. Shirey, I have a few questions for them and their station.
It is beyond dispute that every single media outlet that reported on Palin's pregnancy announcement in Alaska said the same thing: that it was an utter surprise, a complete shock. This includes the Anchorage Daily News, ("shocked and awed just about everybody... even her staff was unaware she was pregnant") Newsminer and Juneau Empire ("a day-ending bombshell"). Channel 13 (Alaskasuperstion) called it "the biggest shocker of the year." Channel 11 KTVA itself said the announcement "caught a lot of people off guard."
It is also beyond dispute that from the time of the announcement (late in the afternoon on March 5th) until Trig Palin was born early in the morning on April 18th, was a period of 44 days, slightly more than six weeks.
So... returning to Cherie Shirey's statement, "We worked with Gov. Palin many times in 2008... in the studio..."
Examining Sarah Palin's travel schedule at length, from the time of her announcement until Trig's birth reveals the following:
Circa March 4: Los Angeles to Anchorage
Circa March 7: Anchorage to Fairbanks
Circa March 9: Fairbanks to Anchorage
Circa March 11: Anchorage to Juneau
Circa March 14: Juneau to Anchorage
Circa March 27: Anchorage to Juneau
Circa April 15: from Juneau to Dallas
April 17: from Dallas to Anchorage
During this time, not counting days that she was traveling, Sarah Palin was physically in Anchorage / Wasilla approximately 17 days... out of the 44.
The first question I'd like to ask Cherie Shirey is how many times in these 17 days was Gov. Palin in your studio in Anchorage? What were the stories you were covering? Now certainly, a crew could have followed (and on at least one occasion did follow) Palin to various events: the famous Andrea Gusty shoot on April 13 was in Juneau, so the crew had to fly there. But you have stated specifically that you interviewed her many times in 2008 when she looked pregnant.
So... when? Where's the footage? What were the issues discussed? And, most pointedly, were you specifically claiming to Lee Stratham that there were those of you at KTVA who noticed or believed she was expecting prior to the official announcement on 3/5/2008? If so, why did you not state it immediately after the announcement when everyone else in Alaska was talking about shock and bombshells.
As I said, the search of the KTVA website tells a different tale. When you search on the (logical) search term "Sarah Palin," there is not a single archived story concerning Gov. Palin from early January 2008 (1/08 to be exact) until 7/18 that I can find. Not one. Including the footage - which I would think would be very interesting to a great many people - that was being filmed the day that Andrea Gusty has claimed she looked very noticeably and obviously pregnant. The footage which would verify either that Palin really did look like that OR that Andrea Gusty is lying through her teeth. Here's the screenshot of the search I did just in case some new footage magically appears.
The reason that this statement needs to be vetted so SO critically is that Cherie Shirey's statement is one of the very few pieces of evidence that the people who have claimed that Palin was certainly pregnant have depended on. It was quoted again just this week by Michelle Malkin as she eviscerates those of us who have continued to question this story. Michelle states: "Shirey was ignored."
Hell yes, she was ignored. And for good reason! She is just about the only person in Alaska who has ever clearly stated that Sarah Palin looked pregnant other than Palin herself, yet she has never provided any proof of what she said even though logically she should be able to do so EASILY: she works at a TV station and the context in which she saw Palin was to FILM her!
She's also the only person who has gone on record at least implying Palin looked pregnant PRIOR to the March 5th announcement, because, given the time limitations, that's the only way Shirey's statement that the station had worked with Palin "many times" could possibly be true. (Even state staffers who had been willing to support Gov. Palin did so with whacky statements like “All of a sudden she had this penchant for really beautiful scarves.” This description of Palin's accessorizing is not exactly what I would call a resounding confirmation of her pregnancy. But maybe I'm just too picky.)
Neither Shirey nor her station has been willing to provide footage or stills from any of those "many" interviews done in 2008 during which she states Palin was clearly pregnant. Like so many things that could provide some real solid definitive proof that Palin was pregnant last spring, they are said to exist, they should be easy to get, but somehow just never quite seem to make it into the light of day.
Why not?
Of course, to ask that question makes me a "tin foil hat truther," and a lot of other things that I am not even going to repeat here.
But hey, I've got a good idea. Audrey is a nothing but a wing-nut loony, but Michelle Malkin is one of the good guys. She's on the "right side" of all this. Maybe if Michelle Malkin would ask KTVA nicely they would release the Gusty footage from April 13th and the "many" other interviews in which Palin appears pregnant. And then, finally, once and for all, all these pesky rumors could just go away.
Why don't you try, Michelle, and then let us all know how that works out for you? I for one will be watching your blog.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 228 of 228Luna, you wanted me to give my views on the Texas to Alaska plane ride and that I had to find a source that would claim there was no risk at all involved. Again, I wasn't sure why, since I have never made any claims about that trip or its relative risk factor.
I doubt there is any doctor who would rate the safety risk factor at zero for this scenario. I mean, just getting on a plane itself has an element of risk for anyone!
I doubt Sarah or her doctor felt there was zero risk involved. That would be unrealistic. Hence, the doctor's characterization of the trip as not being unreasonable. I would think that you don't use a tempered phrase like that if you really felt it was a complete non-issue.
Sullivan used "reckless beyond measure" but that is his description, not a quote from a doctor. Although they collectively seemed to have a level of concern for the situation (from their outsider view).
So, yes, I'd say Sarah took what she and her doctor felt was a reasonable risk in flying back home. So since your bar of judgement was that you needed proof of ZERO risk, I guess you win! FWIW
Just because I am defending the position that Trig is Sarah's baby, doesn't mean I have the responsibility to defend all of her decisions that she has, or will, make in life. That is silly.
She and her doctor conferred and decided that there was a certain level of acceptable risk involved. Others have stepped in from outside that doctor/patient relationship and suggested there was a different level of risk.
So be it. Moving on.
I note that the wire from the camera seems to be hanging straight down. If it needed to be plugged in, would it not have to be on a different angle to be plugged into an outlet? If it is not plugged in, would that confirm that the photo was staged?
Emily, good for you and for others who will accept contrary information as legitimate pieces of evidence. I have never said "everyone on the blog is a truther", but if I suggested that, I apologize. The only people that I believe I have directly suggested are in that category are "Dangerous" and a poster who took the quote from the reporter who had stated the it was obvious that Sarah was pregnant and immediately spun it as a tainted quote from a likely Palin partisan.
Keep in mind what I have said previously about having Sarah provide specific evidence. She has no pressure to do so. Because no one in the mainstream media is pushing it, either in Alaksa or in the national press. There is no public outcry. There are no political enemies with incriminating evidence conducting a smear campaign to bring her down. This despite months of painstaking on-site research by the press, lawyers, hired investigators, and National Enquirer reporters.
Given all the forces out there who would love to bring her down in a second, there is nothing out there to seriously discredit her story. To me, that in itself is pretty strong evidence of the truth.
Bristol's delivery will be the next marker that will seperate who can accept straight-forward contrary evidence and who cannot.
Hey, go for it Dangerous. More power to ya. Go seek legal action on Palin to force out the evidence you require. I'll watch the process with great interest.
To anon @ 9:09,
I understand burden of proof, thank you. SP doesn't have to *prove* she's the mother, but if I have to prove she's not I don't have to do it conclusively with both hands tied behind my back AND she doesn't have to answer questions.
That's why people are indicted by grand juries, and then prosecutors use whatever evidence they can obtain through the use of subpeonas to compell testimony and production of documents, even private medical records if they are applicable to the issue at bar.
If those records and testimony are insufficient to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt (i.e., conclusively), then I wouldn't pursue it. SP would also be able to mount a defense, but I suspect the medical records I would get under subpeona would be sufficient to find the truth one way or the other.
I'm approaching this like a prosecutor or grand juror would, and I see I more than enough evidence to indict SP for lying about her pregnancy, if such a thing were a crime (which it may be if she took other, fraudulent actions).
And I'm not backing off because someone claiming to be an Alaskan journalist states, without any supporting evidence except the supposed collective conclusion of the AK media to "move on", that SP was pregnant and is the mother. If you are in fact a journalist, you're a damned poor excuse for one. No professional journalist would instruct others not to pursue the truth.
She was not pregnant.
She is not Trig's biological mother.
My analysis is better than yours.
Dangerous
Dear Frustrated and Gone:
You are wrong. Didn't you listen to Palin's campaign speeches throughout the lower 48? Palin herself described her "small town values" to the entire nation, based on being the Mayor of Wasilla, AK. She did it over and over again--even as those in the know were fully aware that Wasilla is a de facto suburb of Anchorage. Perhaps you are also unaware that she said "Thanks but no thanks" to the Bridge to Nowhere throughout the lower 48, even though she didn't dare repeat that phrase while in AK.
Sorry, but I don't believe you're a journalist, as you are patently uninformed about the most basic things one learns in journalism school: grammar, syntax, & facts.
It's too bad that you "know where all the photos are," but can't provide any links to us, especially since we're asking for them. Curious, I'd say, since you came here claiming that so many Palin pregnancy photos exist...
Dangerous said: 'If you are in fact a journalist, you're a damned poor excuse for one. No professional journalist would instruct others not to pursue the truth.'
Nowhere in my post did I instruct others not to pursue the truth. I said hospital documents and eye-witnesses are needed. And nowhere did I even suggest that you 'back off'.
And 'my analysis is better than yours'? How old are you?
You are not helping Audrey and the legitmacy of her quest by being a ranting whacko.
An interesting observation anon 10:09 about the camera chord. If you follow what appears to be the light chord, it goes under the closed door into the room behind the reporter. An obvious place, I suppose, if there were no plugs in the hallway. If follows then that the camera chord would have to go there as well. But I'm no reporter and maybe they don't even need to be plugged in :-) seems like that would be an inconvenience. Maybe it's the microphone chord which can be seen traveling over AG's left foot then no more...
Hmmm... Cameraman wears different shirt, and has shorter (and wet) hair, all within a 3minute period. One heckuva wizzard!
"Frustrated" is an Alaska journalist like Sarah Palin is a journalist.
Can. Not. Spell.
Or type the state acronym properly.
To Frustrated: Why should Audrey or anyone else "...call Bill and ASK him is Palin was Pregnant at the time."?
(You'd almost think Sarah Palin herself penned that suggestion)
Are you suggesting McAllister is the father? OK, scratch that, that's too outrageous for words. Then, are you suggesting Palin bared her belly for McAllister to feel the baby kick?
Howthehell else would he know, other than Palin telling him? -- and it's not hard to guess what would prompt him to back up her story -- the same thing that prompts her hordes of high-school clique chums in high AK office -- get on Sarah's bad side and your next job is lighthouse keeper on St. Paul Island.
"Hmmm... Cameraman wears different shirt, and has shorter (and wet) hair, all within a 3 minute period. One heckuva wizzard!"
Not sure what you are asserting here. Agreeing it could be McAllister or disagreeing? Agreeing it is the same person photoshopped from two different periods or disagreeing? Thinking inside the box or outside?
Nonetheless, Palin is photographed 3 min. later. That appears to be true. Not a problem if the whole interview setup is a fake because maybe she never actually DID the interview. She just stood for a couple of pictures. The other two are added at leisure, perhaps? Or maybe they are actually present and the cameraman is a different person altogether. All the same, ask yourself how she was photographed at, presumably, the start of a live interview then photographed in an impromtu and informal photograph with two other persons within a mere three minutes? I sure would like to see this interview. See how long it lasted. It would clear up many questions. WHY, WHY can't we see it??
The cameraman wearing the white shirt in the Gusty Pic posted by Audrey and on Flickr
is the same cameraman in the Dan Carpenter (erik99559) picture posted on the Alaska.gov website
http://gov.state.ak.us/photos/govpalinreturn_nov7_p03.jpg
He's the one in the grey. Note the yellow eyepiece cover in both pics. The same grey hair. The light kits and the audio equip matches.
--thegatekey
The big question for me is why is Dan Carpenter - aka erik99559 - in a picture with Sarah Palin.
The thing that I find the most damning about these photographs is the fact that it is clearly Palin's alliances that produced it. That is an undeniable fact. They are in the actual pictures. If she was photographed with some random citizen that could be reached for an unbiased comment, then it wouldn't be so suspicious, so utterly ridiculous. But she appears with her press secretary and ardent supporter! On a random, anonymous flickr account that has no other photos posted- past or present. And I would bet my very last dollar that no other photo will ever be posted to this account because it was created for the express purpose of debunking the rumors surrounding this pregnancy. How can this be anything else but completely unbelievable? The only thing more ridiculous would be McCain himself appearing with a pregnant Palin! Hmmm, that gives me an idea...
Undoubtedly there will be a few dead ends in this non-trivial pursuit, but I do think that you have essentially proved your point through these photos, combined with the one from March 26th. Ask any obgyn whether it is possible to go from the March 26th flat midriff to the bulging belly of April 11-13th. It is not possible. That is not how babies develop. There is your proof that she is a liar. I'm not sure you need any more than that. I would simply highlight those prominently on your website as proof certain.
artful dodger---you linked pictures of Bill McAllister from August 2008. Guess what?
They are no longer there!!! Of course. They are pulling pictures right and left.
Hmmmmmm.
L.
Let me get this straight...do you think the camerman is the same guy standing to S.P.'s left? The one with glasses? (But who doesn't wear them when using a camera?) Who is suddenly wearing a tie? (The thing around the neck of the cameraman looks like the strap for an ID badge, it's not a tie and neither is it the right color)and who changed his shirt for the photo op?
Artful-Dodger
This pic shows the camera man I believe. And also the other man Erik besides McAllister.
http://gov.state.ak.us/large_photo.php?id=202
Gusty, Erik, McAllister and the camera man. With the Gov. These pictures definitely look like they were shot at night. Incognito.
Has anyone been in this building? Are there any windows around. Not sure if that matters?
A camera man would not walk around with his shirt untucked representing the news channel especially in front of the GOV.
The more you look at the pix the more staged they become.
I have finally figured out what is odd about the interview picture. I knew something didn't quite fit but I could never put my finger on it.
It is their feet. It is not the shoes they are wearing, as was said before people in cold climates take their boots off and put on shoes when they are indoors. Well I'm from a cold climate too, and I see what is wrong. It is the fact they are not wearing socks.
Never do you wear bare feet in boots. Feet sweat and it makes the inside of your boots damp. If they had previously been wearing boots and changed to shoes, they would not have taken off their socks too. This means they were wearing these shoes outside, and believe me, mid-April in Alaska is still snowy/slushy. Yet the shoes are clean. No muck. Odd.
Hello Audrey, Patrick, et al.!
Now, I am not a photshop expert and I don't even have the software to make a very educated comment on this the Famous "unofficial" Pregnancy Picture @http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3093436517/in/photostream/ So, I am not going to go there with "necklace" or " no necklace" stuff. In fact, it's not necessary IMHO. It doesn't matter. Why? Because this Famous Picture is Staged. That simple! I really don't think one has to be a photo expert to see that.
Now, look at all Sarah Palin pictures. Look at her on her interviews. She has a very expressive face( not sure if this is the correct way of saying it). On this Famous picture She is simply not " Alive". She looks like she was taken out of Madame Tussauds Wax Museum :-|
This is what I see. I really think Sarah Palin in this photo is not real.
Now, I looked at the photo from April 17 in Texas
@http://www.flickr.com/photos/33163903@N05/page6/
On that photo, Sarah Palin's left hand is on top of her right hand in front of her belly (remember this is the day before Trig's "birth"). How is that possible for a 8 months pregnant woman?
I still believe Sarah Palin is not Trig's biological mother.
Too many reasons actually:
1) Scrubbed photos from the Internet and Alaska Governor Site, shortly after she was nominated as McCain's running mate. Yes, GraceR, I understand That the RNC are control freaks but this is more than that.
2)Bizarre travel story from Texas to Mat-Su. Her own words. BTW, amazing that Alaska Airlines allow a 8 month pregnant woman to fly with them. Is that the case? Nobody could see she was pregnant??.
3) Medical Record( the day before the Election). Too many question marks about that 2 pages document
4) This is supposed to be a happy event for the Governor and her family. Why wasn't Trig listed as the newborn on Mat-Su website?
5) Why there are no photos of Sarah Palin with her new born at the hospital? She knows she is a public person and people want to see some photos.
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You know, maybe in these pictures Palin is just really, really tired.
Is that so hard to believe?
To Anonymous of 12/09, 4:49--
Have we ever been to Alaska? What difference does that make? Do Alaskans experience pregnancy differently than others? Is Down's Syndrome different up there?
To Dodger:
The photog in the first photo is from KTVA...(so is Andrea Gusty, the reporter talking to Palin.)
Not to be confused with the photog and the reporter (Dan Carpenter and Bill McAllister) of KTUU in second pic.
Please keep it up though...your conspiracy theories are quite entertaining.
I mean, this is better than the crap they have on T.V.
Please, keep entertaining me with your "Analysis".
Hilarious.
Anyone who know Bill McAllister knows why his looks changed considerably in a few months time.
Since you do not _ I guess, that will be Bill's to tell you.
But please, Enough with the Photoshop stuff.
I have a theory too: "Palin is an alien who only takes 6 weeks gestation to deliver a baby).
Hey, Mine makes as much sense as yours, I chooses to keep it to myself because THERE IS NO PROOF...just like THERE IS NO PROOF of ANY theory you postulate on this site.
As a matter of fact, the facts clearly point to the opposite conclusion at which you seemed to have arrived.
But, hey, when did facts matter to people who HATE something, or in this case, someone.
Palin told many lies: She lied when she said she wanted the Troopergate facst to come out. She lied when she said she sould release her deposition. She lied when she said she is doing what's best for Alaska.
She is a politician, and if one you hate, so be it.
But please get this through your thick skull: Trig Palin is her baby.
-"Frustrated, Yet Loving This Drivel"
"Frustrated, Yet Loving This Drivel"...
Wow. Defensive much? Hey, I'm just putting ideas out there. Like I said earlier, they may very well turn out to be false but, so be it. Often, that is how truth is eventually discovered. Since this (excellent) blog appears to be a place set up for this express purpose then why not? In the world of science, we call this a theory and, as any good detective knows, it is not synonymous with the word "fact". You shouldn't take it to heart so! But I'd have to wonder if I'm on to something just by the measure of rage in your response.
You throw around that hate word like someone pretty familiar with that emotion. That's not me, though. I do believe in the possibility that Sarah Palin is lying but I don't mix my logic with my emotions. I save the latter for people that actually matter to me in my life. You should try that.
I think a potential smoking gun exists in plain sight. Can someone please provide an innocent explanation as to why the final two letters typed below Dr. Johnson's name in the medical records letter are not of the same shade as the rest of the typed letter, but instead are the same shade as the handwritten signature?
I have seen it hypothesized that the signature is a cut and paste job and that the forger then tried to make the photocopied signature appear authentic by colorizing it, via a computer stylus, as blue ink. Unfortunately for the forger, the final two letters below it, denoting Dr. Johnson's accreditation, also were colorized.
If there is no innocent explanation (and none come to my mind), then the letter must be a fake and the signature a forgery. Since it was released by Palin and her campaign, they would be the forgers and their lie therefore confirms the existence of a false story. ... Now, in which regard it is false is not revealed by the fact of a forgery, but since all the speculation related to whether Sarah Palin is Trig's mother, it would be unreasonable to conclude that the fraud/forgery was designed for any other purpose but to perpetuate the falsehood that Governor Palin gave birth to Trig.
This indeed may be a smoking gun! ...So, computer experts, forgery experts and anyone else with expertise in this area, can you offer your opinions?
Much thanks.
What was the purpose of these photo's being taken? If it was to announce Sarah was pregnant and show off her bump why would the first dude not be in the photo's.
Supposedly the first dude spends a lot of time in the Gov's office. Why would he not want to take part in appearing with his wife. Sarah said he is her best friend. they talk about everything.
But she is in a photo with a camera man and her recently hired spokesman.
Just for fun I called Alaska Airlines today and asked what their policy is on pregnant women flying. The person I spoke with (now granted, her English was not good and I wondered if she was even answering the call in this country), said that they do not "recommend a woman travel by air in her 9th month." She said they would not refuse travel to a pregnant woman. When Palin announced the pregnancy, she said the baby was due mid-May; the CBJ letter says Trig was born at 35 weeks, so SP would've only been 8 mos. pregnant at the time of travel.
Lori Tipton, who is a TV reporter from Alaska, is now the "crown witness" that Sarah's birth story was correct.
HOWEVER, it should be noted that according to her facebook page, Lori Tipton is also "A FAN OF: SARAH PALIN" " What an unbiased, reliable witness!
Screenshot here:
http://flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3101682708/
She is quoted in the "Daily Dish" by Patrick Appel in his "in defense of Sarah Palin" article:
andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/12/in-...
"Sarah [Palin] was in another room, and they said that she was sleeping when we arrived. And so, we got a little bit of footage of Sally [Heath] holding Trig, and Chuck [Heath] standing next to her. And Bristol [Palin] was in there, and I said to Bristol, "We should get some footage of you and your brother and your grandparents." And she’s like, "No I really don’t like to be photographed." And I said, "Are you sure?" And she’s like, "Yeah, yeah, no." And she didn’t have any make-up on or anything, but she was dressed in typical teenage attire, a tight shirt, low-cut jeans, you know, and we had heard the rumors before the delivery of this baby also, that Bristol was pregnant, and so, when my photographer and I got to the hospital and we saw her, I thought, well, clearly there’s no way that that girl just delivered a baby seven hours ago. "
End statement Lori Tipton.
Well, then everything must be true. No mention of course that Trig could have been born earlier, that Bristol doesn't necessary need to be the mum etc.
Patrick
Here is the link to the KTVA Archives. But it states that the archives do not contain photographs or video. Just the stories will be available.
http://www.ktva.com/archivesearch
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