Saturday, December 27, 2008

Photoshop Report

First, up front: I'll get this out of the way, so those who disagree with my decision can just stop reading now. I have agreed with the expert who did this report that I am not releasing his name publicly on this blog. He is fully aware that his name can and will be released to media personnel who make appropriate inquiries. He has a website which contains personal phone numbers as well as emails, and - based on what has occurred to others who have become involved in this story (which has included, in the case of at least one blogger who has posted on this publicly, emails to his employer demanding that he be fired) I have no problem agreeing with his request that he does not need to reveal himself to those who are simply malicious.

Second, I am making a commitment. If anyone disagrees with these results, he/she is free to hire another expert. I will be happy to post the results of another report on this blog, even if the results are sharply in disagreement with what the report that I was given.

Third, and I apologize for this, the report is in the form of a pdf. This is to protect the author of the report from having his work altered or plagiarised in any way. I realize it makes it a bit more difficult to read the report - you'll have to download it and open it on your own computer - but there's no way around this.

To review, I asked the expert to look at the following two photographs.

(Original caption from Flickr account: CBS 11 doing a live interview as the legislative session comes to an end. ) For the rest of this discussion, this is referred to as Image 1.


(Original caption from Flickr account: Myself, Governor Palin, Press Secretary McAllister. ) For the rest of this discussion, this is Image 2.

These photos were allegedly taken on April 13, 2008 in Juneau, less than one week prior to Trig Palin's birth.

Why is there so much focus on these photos? I think it's essential to review this briefly. Those who have supported Sarah Palin over the last four months, and who have insisted that there is "no doubt" that Sarah is Trig's mom in fact have very few pieces of "concrete proof." These two photos are two of only five known photos taken during the period of time during which she was said to have been pregnant (March 5, 2008 through April 18, 2008) in which there is an unobstructed view of her midsection. The other three are:

One, taken March 26th, which showed only very dubious evidence of pregnancy.
One, taken around April 8th, which shows a pregnant appearance. (However, I have asserted that the "belly," while certainly present, appears oddly flat, not "round and taut" as I would expect in a woman close to 35 weeks pregnant with her fifth child. In addition, screen shots from a video taken this same day show clear evidence of a square shape under her shirt.)
One, taken March 14th, which shows no evidence of pregnancy whatsoever.

These two photos - then - in my opinion - are the ONLY two which show her realistically pregnant. The belly is, in my opinion, rounded and quite natural-looking. And because of this, the photo of her being interviewed (Image 1) is pointed to again and again and again as proof-positive that she was pregnant with Trig. Just recently, on a website which supports Sarah Palin for president in 2012 (TeamSarah.org) there was a thread - now removed - which questioned the pregnancy. Like clockwork, someone posted this photo.

Frankly, without this ONE photo I personally believe that she would not have been able to "prove" the matter last August 31- September 1. This photo - along with the uncorroborated announcement that Bristol was "five months pregnant" - saved her candidacy. That's why this photo was - and continues to be - critical.

So ... without further ado, here's the link to the full pdf from the professional analysis. For those of you who want the result without having to wade through the analysis, here it is.

Image 1 (2814199887_67e84850f4_b.jpg) shows some signs of alterations consistent with an image that has been composited from different sources. However, due to the fact that the image available for analysis is only 1024 x 768, it is not possible to give a conclusive analysis.

Image 2 (2814979078_4815e908a9_b.jpg) shows no signs of alterations.


"Some signs of alterations." Admittedly, this is not proof positive. I concur that. But that the image shows any signs of alterations --- any signs at all --- should be very troubling considering that this is the single photograph that has been pointed to repeatedly as demonstrating that Sarah Palin is Trig's mom.

What are these signs of alterations? First, the area around her hair - a very common place to look for pixels that don't "match" in altered photos - shows signs of masking, a technique used when photos are composited. Second, as was pointed out in an earlier post on this blog, the area around her neck shows signs of adjustment - "a redundant pattern of murky pixels." Third, some discrepancy was noted in the area of the door that can be seen through her glasses, though if her glasses were clear and clean there should not have been a discrepancy. (However, to be precise, the expert felt that at 72 dpi, there was not enough detail say conclusively that this area had been altered: he calls it only an "area of interest.")

Fourth - and this was something that the expert brought up on his own (I had asked him only to look at the photos at the pixel level) in Image 1, Gov. Palin's body position seems, in his word, "peculiar." Many others have noted this. She is simply not facing where she should be if this picture is what it represents itself to be - a still shot of a news interview in progress. Even if, while Gusty was speaking, Palin's attention was drawn to something off camera and she glanced away, her body should still be facing the camera person squarely. But Palin's body is facing down the hall, quite nearly away from the cameraman, her expression almost unfocused. She does not appear in any way to be part of the action around her.

This report is not proof positive. It is not conclusive. But the main reason that is not is primarily because we do not have access to high-quality images from a known and reliable source from which solid conclusions can be drawn. What we have are low-resolution images taken by an unknown person uploaded anonymously to a Flickr account.

Considering all the other questions, concerns, and anomalies with this photo, that it shows any signs of alteration at all is profoundly troubling.

Here are just some of the questions surrounding the provenance of these photos ... and some comments on each.

1. This photo was released nowhere prior to Sarah Palin's candidacy being announced. While this is not per se a problem - lots of photos of Gov. Palin were no doubt released only after her VP nomination thrust her into the national spotlight - it is, in a word, unfortunate, that this most crucial picture was not seen anywhere prior to August 31, 2008.

2. The identity of the photographer is not known. Anyone who is willing to view these photos as "proof" should be at least slightly concerned that no one has ever been willing to publicly state who actually was behind the camera when the photos were taken.

3. The Flickr account holder is "Eric99559," and he/she has never been identified. In Image 2, the man to the left of the photo is Dan Carpenter, a photographer with KTUU - Channel 2 news (NBC Affiliate in Anchorage) , and the caption on the photo states that this person is "myself." This would lead one to assume that Eric99559 is Dan Carpenter. But this has never been confirmed.

4. The woman interviewing Gov. Palin in Image 1 is Andrea Gusty, a reporter with KTVA in Anchorage. She has gone on record as stating this photo was taken April 13th, a Sunday, which was the last day of the Alaska State Legislative Session. However, quite oddly, her account of the day (which is available for a fee on the KTVA website) is in conflict with the account published in the Anchorage Daily News the next day. Gusty's report states:
The halls are silent in our state Capitol after a bustling 90-day session wrapped up late Sunday night. More than 700 bills were introduced and less than half were voted on. Those that did make it are headed to the governor's desk for approval.
But according to the Anchorage Daily News, the session was adjourned "with time to spare," "at lunchtime," a fact that was met by considerable rejoicing from most legislators. This is not a minor difference, one person saying for example that it was over "at lunchtime," and another saying it was 1 PM. There is a huge difference between lunchtime and "late Sunday night." Was Gusty actually in Juneau on April 13th? If so, how could she confuse lunchtime and "late Sunday night?" Or was her written report uploaded to the KTVA website at a later time, and simply inserted with the date of April 14th into the sequence? Yet, archived video on the Anchorage Daily News site from KTVA on April 14th mentions that Gusty is in Juneau. I simply cannot understand how such an error could have been made.

5. Image 1 is a still photo of a news interview in progress. No actual video is now (or as far as I can tell after diligent research, ever has been) available.

6. The EXIF data on these two pictures, available openly on the Flickr account, show that these two photos were taken three minutes apart in 2005. Here is the EXIF data for Image 1. Here is the EXIF data for Image 2. Questions have been raised from the beginning about the incorrect date on these photos, with those skeptical of the idea that Palin may have faked the pregnancy insisting that the incorrect date is no big deal. The camera used was a mid range digital SLR. It cost around $700.00 when it was released, new, in 2005. Here's a page which is full of information about this camera. When it was released in 2005 it was a very nice, high end (9 megapixel) camera, a camera that would have been purchased by either a professional or a serious amateur. Here is what I have learned from conversations with two separate tech support people at Fuji:
There is no "default" date in this model camera (that the camera would reset to if the batteries died completely.) The first time the camera is turned on, the user must set a date. The camera will not work without this being done. After that point, the date is hard programmed into the hardware of the camera itself and even if the camera's battery dies completely is never lost. However, it can be changed by the user.
I find it extraordinarily odd that a professional grade camera used in what we are supposed to view as a professional interview environment has the wrong date, since there are only two ways this could happen with this particular camera. Either the date was set wrong when the camera was initially turned on OR the date was intentionally changed. Why would a professional photographer change the date in his camera - by many years?

7. These photos were intentionally downsized AFTER being uploaded to Flickr. Both images were uploaded as 3418 x 2616 images, then made smaller, to 1024 x 768. This is the procedure that was used. (It is very important to note that this is the procedure that MUST be used in order to maintain "original appearing" EXIF data.) (My thanks to Patrick and Kathleen for figuring this out.)

First, the picture was uploaded by Erik99559 to flickr in the ORIGINAL size, which was then recorded in the exif-data.

The original size, as recorded in the exif data, was:

Image Width: 3488 pixels
Image Height: 2616 pixels

THEN, the person who uploaded the picture went into the INTERNAL FLICKR EDITING PROGRAM and changed the size of the picture to 1024 x 768 pixels. He then saved the change and replaced this picture with the original flickr picture.

AS A RESULT, the picture was from then on viewable on flickr ONLY in 1024 x 768 or smaller file size.! The exif data doesn't change at all after you have done the procedure as described above.

You have to click in the end on

"save as new copy"

and NOT

"replace picture"

....because if you click "replace picture", it says in the flickr description that the picture "has been replaced", however, if you just save it as a "new copy" on flickr, then you get a new copy in the smaller size with the ORIGINAL exif data !!! (then you just have to delete your picture in the original size or make it private)
Why would someone do this? This is a FREE account - there is no expense involved in having larger resolution photographs up there. Someone had to follow a very specific set of steps to post pictures that had much smaller resolutions than the originals - but maintained "real" appearing exif data (except for the original size, which can't be altered.) So... why change the resolution so significantly AND then delete the original uploads? Is it because it is much much easier to spot alterations in higher resolution photographs?

8. It is at least worth remarking on the reference to Bill McAllister as Gov. Palin's press secretary. He was - as of mid August, 2008. But at the time the photo was taken, he was still employed by KTUU.

So, let's summarize.

This photograph is the single most often pointed to piece of evidence that Sarah Palin was "definitely" pregnant with Trig Palin in April. But upon examination, what we really have is this:

We have two photographs with incorrect dates, one of which shows signs of being composited, taken by an unknown photographer, uploaded by someone who has never come forward to an anonymous Flickr account after Sarah Palin's VP nomination. They were intentionally made smaller after they were uploaded and the originals either deleted or made private. The only person who has ever commented publicly on the photos, Andrea Gusty, has affirmed they were taken April 13th, but her published account of that day conflicts sharply with other news reports vis a vis what time the legislative session ended. No corroborating video of the photograph of the video shoot can be found.

And these are the only two photographs in which Sarah Palin appears unequivocally pregnant. These photographs have been looked at by millions and used countless times to argue that Sarah Palin was pregnant. My merely pointing out this almost endless list of problems with these photos gains my being termed a "moonbat," "wingnut," and/or many other names I would not even publish here. Would any court in the US accept photos with so many problems as any sort of evidence whatsoever for anything? I doubt it.

The fact that no one in the main stream media - with far more resources at their disposal than I have - has not looked at these photos more critically months ago is absolutely appalling.

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Anonymous said...

trish - Seems like there's no truth to it. The "Wasilla Maternity Nurse" apparently posted the comment using a New York City IP address.

I do find it very odd that stories keep pouring in about how many gifts Bristol is getting, but no one finds it odd that there is no baby, 1.5 weeks past the expected due date. One would think that labor would have been induced by now.

Anonymous said...

Just looked at Patrick's latest Flickr postings. The picture of her on April 13 as on KTUU shows her in the same suit with the cross necklace and her hair thinned and trimmed as in the photos 1 and 2. I think we can conclude that these pictures of SP were all taken on 4/13.

sandra in oregon

Anonymous said...

Half Sigma, undrestood, but the max on the camera is f/2.8 so it I dont think it is equal to f/11 or f/16.

I may be wrong!

Anonymous said...

Half Sigma, the cloning in image 1 around the right side of her head is easy to spot. I'll try to post a close up of the cloned area. the patterns are unmistakable to those who have used cloning extensivley.

Anonymous said...

Audrey,

I, and others, appreciate your incurring the expense of hiring an expert to review the supposed 'proof' that SP was pregnant, as proffered by her supporters. To me, it is irrelevant whether the original picture was tampered with or not, because all anyone could say was that she 'appeared' pregnant.

I've seen lots of people on TV who appeared pregnant, stated they were pregnant, but were not. These deceptions occurred in fictional portrayals. Since we have argued that based on other evidence that SP was not pregnant and was carrying out a fraud, a fiction, it doesn't matter what she looked like except to the extent that we can conclusive determine that it was a fiction.

We could have photos EVERY DAY from January 1, 2008 through the day she supposedly delivered, and that would still not be proof of anything except that she appeared to be pregnant. If she had been better at concealing the truth, that could be what we would have.

More disturbing to me was an article in the Chicago Tribune, which linked this scientific, reasonable, thus far inconclusive investigation with the bogus Obama-isn't-a-citizen-because-his-birth-certificate-is-fake nonsense. In the latter 'controversy' documentary evidence was provided to impartial, trustworthy sources and others for verifications. There is also independent verification of Obama's mother's whereabout when he was born.

For SP's purported pregnancy story, we have her own conflicting accounts of what happened, lots of indication that she wasn't believed at the time she made those statements, and independent evidence indicated that she wasn't pregnant at all.

SP has also provided NO original documentation on a 9-month high-risk pregnancy, which should have a paper trail a mile long. And there's nothing embarassing about a pregnancy to preclude her releasing at least some documentation.

But that is what is happening. This investigation is being lumped in with all the nonsense by the MSM. I think it is fair to say that investigative reporting in MSM is dead. It may take a Frontline documentary to shake things up now. Anyone know a producer? Where are you now Lowell Bergman?

Dangerous

Anonymous said...

Sandra in Oregon said, "The picture of her on April 13 as on KTUU shows her in the same suit with the cross necklace and her hair thinned and trimmed as in the photos 1 and 2. I think we can conclude that these pictures of SP were all taken on 4/13."

Or she wore the same clothes and jewelry for the August retakes. And included the same guys who wrote about and photographed her on that day in April.

Nevertheless, a good point. Patrick, I am photo-handling impaired. Any way you could post the KTUU and 3Amigos photos next to each other to help us see if there are discrepancies? -B.

Anonymous said...

SP caught in another (little) lie: "Sarah Palin Busted by Weather Underground?" Check out themudflats.net. (I don't know how to use tinyurl, and the url to the above site link is definitely too long. Sorry about that!)

luna1580 said...

something else about the camera:

it was released on the us market in july/august 2005 according to every review of it i can find online.

if the earliest someone could have physically purchased the camera was JULY 2005, WHY would they set the camera's internal date software to MARCH 2005 at any point of owning it?

here is audrey's original blog quote about the fuji S9000's date function:

" Here is what I have learned from conversations with two separate tech support people at Fuji:

There is no "default" date in this model camera (that the camera would reset to if the batteries died completely.)

The first time the camera is turned on, the user must set a date. The camera will not work without this being done.

After that point, the date is hard programmed into the hardware of the camera itself and even if the camera's battery dies completely is never lost. However, it can be changed by the user."

so no matter what, some user had to manually set the camera's date to march 2005, which is a date that occurred in real life at LEAST 4 months before that user could have even held the camera in his/her hands.

so this does not appear to be a case of lazy mis-dating which happens a lot (i myself got a camera last summer and never set a date on it, but it is a simple digital "snap shot" style and works anyway) but a case of someone purposefully entering a date that could NEVER match any real date the camera was ever used. that alone is very weird.

also, the folks who've pointed out that this is not a true digital SLR and not a professional caliber camera are correct. it's a great camera that did cost $700 USD upon release, but it's much more the sort of thing a serious amateur would buy as an easier to understand step-up from a "snap shot" cam. or perhaps the sort of thing a pro might have as a "family camera" that any one in their home could use more casually for social snap-shot type occasions by setting it to every-automatic and point and shooting away untrained kids or a spouse could take really great shots.

in fact this camera is designed in such a way that someone would purposely have to focus on the cameraman's back in pic #1 by half-pushing the shutter button -or using all manual focus- and then swinging over to shoot gusty/SP with out refocusing to get something so blurry. and to do that they'd have to choose not to use a continuos auto-focus shooting mode before they took the shot, a weird choice for a casual "interview in progress, watch 'drea work with the gov!" sort of shot as this framing seems imply.

all that makes me think the shot is anything but casual.

would one of the current/former journalists who've previously commented here please email/call andrea gusty and ask who took the pictures and why? the answer should be herself or husband/friend, since she told fact check she thought she was the only person in possession of the original picture files.

her contact info can be located on the KTVA website, search for her name or "contact andrea".

luna

Anonymous said...

I would like to come back to the fact that the picture quality especially of the "Gusty interview picture" is surprisingly bad.

On flickr you can search easily for pictures which were taken with the same camera (here: Fujifilm FinePix S9000). Just click on the name of the camera on flickr.

I have found one photographer on flickr who uses this camera and whose pictures are a good comparison - and you can view and download his pictures in all sizes, including the "original size" (the size which is missing in the Erik99559 pictures).

The username of this flickr photographer is "cminer52".

There are lots of pictures in his photostream taken with 100 and 200 ISO, all with this camera. I have also found one picture of him taken with 400 ISO in very difficult lighting conditions - see here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cminerspics/2390615337/in/set-72157604752189111/

If you look through his pictures, it becomes apparent that this camera (Fujifilm FinePix S9000) makes very sharp and crisp images on a regular basis - even if you blow up the pictures to the original size, and even in difficult lighting conditions.

It is therefore not understable why the "Gusty" interview picture has such a low quality. It is obvious that the quality was deliberately decreased. I still favour the theory that there was a "picture taken of a picture", in order to conceal this manipulation in respect to the picture quality (and in order to conceal the other manipulations!).

Patrick

Anonymous said...

I'm not at all surprised that vague reports of Bristol having had her baby are popping up here and there. We should expect to see lots of them. A month from now, when the Palins produce photos of Bristol with a new baby and claim that they were taken in late December (rather than in late January) people who are not following this story as closely as we are will say, "Oh, yeah, I remember hearing something about that a month ago. Hmmmm, It must be true, then!"

Anonymous said...

Did bristol palin have the baby yet, that's all i want to know???the people in alaska should know by now. keep up this blog, we just want to know...

Anonymous said...

Three things I see that are strange with picture #2,

#1 the catch lights in her eyes/glasses are different than in the two mens eyes.

#2 Her hair on the right side where the edge of the picture frame is, and
#3 her suit coat where it overlays the man on the left's white shirt. Both of these areas have very pronounced stairstep edges as if they have been cut/out. If you look at the man on the left's jacket it has a large feather range, not an actual stair-step.

I put these in photoshop and zoomed in.

KaJo said...

In a rather oblique response to RW/Anon @ 10:43 PM 12/28, and to follow up on teal's very informative comments right after @ 11:33 PM/1:29 AM,

I did the 6 minute tour of the Alaska State Capitol Building just now (go to http://w3.legis.state.ak.us/start/start.php )(on the right side under THE CAPITOL, choose either the Short Version 18.8Mb or the Full Version 40.5Mb)
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B. (in your post @ 9:58 AM 12/29 re: location of the Governor's office), the video says that the Governor's office and that of the Lt. Gov. are both on the 3rd floor, and the Photo#1 & Photo#2 were taken on the 2nd floor.

In two places during the video there are good viewpoints of the second floor of the building which has that distinctive carpet that's seen in Photo#1. There is one scene in particular -- the balding man looking at pictures on the wall with the woman sitting in background at the corner of the adjoining hallway -- that's pretty interesting.

Of course, it'd help if someone would actually GO on the tour of the building.... :)
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Anon @ 9:34 AM 12/29, those are empty cardboard boxes in the hallway behind Palin.
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Sunshine1970 @ 10:57 AM, there's nothing but pantsleg and no floor carpet pattern at all between Andrea Gusty's lower legs. If that's shadow, it obliterates the carpet pattern altogether (I don't think it is).
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sandra in oregon @ 10:58 AM, that's not a folio you see (if what you're focussing on is at McAllister's left side), that's his jacket pocket.
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Re: cloning evidence -- it is a fact that if a digital picture is downsized/resized, that the color mix of pixels is muddied, because the digitalization is "reading" the average color of say, 9 pixels that will be downsized into 1 large pixel, and you will get a sometimes ugly color mix of all 9 of the original pixels.

That's why the hair section at the back of Palin's neck in Photo#1 looks muddier than elsewhere on her head, and since it's at the border of her physical image, not the middle of her body, and obviously not part of the background, that's where the expert would find most obvious evidence of compositing.

Ditto for the left lens of her glasses, and the halo of hair+background at the top of her head. Artifacts like these and not having any kind of a shadow surely do make the conclusion of a composite image quite plausible.
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P.S. To anybody who picked up on my comments earlier yesterday (12/28) about how Palin looked pinker or redder-toned in Photo#1 vs. golden-toned in Photo#2. I didn't mean to imply anything other than they probably were taken with 2 different cameras, 2 different settings.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 1:18 said: "I'm not at all surprised that vague reports of Bristol having had her baby are popping up here and there. We should expect to see lots of them. A month from now, when the Palins produce photos of Bristol with a new baby and claim that they were taken in late December (rather than in late January) people who are not following this story as closely as we are will say, "Oh, yeah, I remember hearing something about that a month ago. Hmmmm, It must be true, then!"

**BINGO!*** I believe exactly the same thing. You hit the nail on the head.

Over on the Pro-Palin blogs they are already doing this.

You have to wonder, don't you, why people who say they know she's telling the truth are lining up to lie for her.

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the correction on the "folio" in McAllister's left hand. Looking at picture #2, the individual hairs of SP seem to be as they should. I think maybe we've been thinking the image of her was pasted into this picture. I think this was a red herring. What if the mens' images were placed in the picture? There is something wrong with the shadow on the left (our right) side of Carpenter's shirt. Did the expert look at the images of the men?

sandra in oregon

Anonymous said...

kajo,

there is cloning in image 1.
not muudy pixels due to downsizing.

the patterns are there. there is also feathering, masking focus issues, and probably a few other things.

Anonymous said...

anon at 12:44

Good idea!!

Here are the comparisons of Sarah Palin´s head between the KTUU-screenshot from 13 April 2008 and the two pregnancy pictures:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3147050539/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3147882968/

I am very surprised that in the KTUU-screenshot her hair seems to be much longer, and that in the pregnancy pictures, especially in the Gusty pictures, SP´s hair looks uncombed and untidy. I would have expected that for an interview she would have have combed and dressed her hair.

Patrick

Margot said...

I am very new to flicker. Just for fun did an advanced search for Palin in the month of April and found this.

It says it was taken in early April. Maybe I don't understand how flicker works. Comments please
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30007920@N03/2809336800/

Anonymous said...

Continuing to observe picture #2...Check the facial shadows of the three people. The nose and lower lips of the men cast very symetrical shadows, but the shadow from SP's nose deviates a bit to our right. The lighting seems different overall on her face.

sandra in oregon

Anonymous said...

From what I've read, roughly 40% of babies are born one week or later from their due date, and that a baby isn't "officially" classififed as overdue from a medical perspective until two weeks after the due date.

On a case-by-case basis, a doctor may want to induce labor anytime after the due date, but more likely after one week past the due date, and almost certainly after two weeks.

Anonymous said...

This is the cameraman in the Gusty interview picture (pic 1):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3149043946/

It´s is a crop, the original photo is here...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3149024314/

...and was posted on the Governors website.

Anybody knows his name? He is the only person from the two pictures that we haven´t identified by name yet.

Patrick

KaJo said...

sjk (1/29) 2:21 PM

I guess what I was trying to say is, there's evidence (at least, to me) of BOTH cloning and downsizing in Photo#1.

I think that what's been suggested already is that the downsizing was done first, thus the muddying of the pixels -- then the compositing/cloning to meld the image into the background.

If a pure original-sized image was composited, you'd have finer, more distinct pixels with a greater variety of color.

Anonymous said...

Hi Margot:

Go to the October blog archives for Tuesday, Oct. 28. The source and correct date for this photo are discussed there and in the comments section.

LOTS of info in both the main website and the blog archives. The only reason I am up to speed is because I have visited daily (or more) since mid-October. This place is habit-forming :) !!

QE (Question Everything)

Anonymous said...

I'm thinking if/when that baby comes she will yell it from the roof tops and we won't have to wonder. Don't 'ya know that she wants the timing to fit in with her master plan.

Anonymous said...

Hey Patrick,
One of the photos in your flickr stream appears to be mislabeled (Nov 2009 instead of 8) towards the end. Just might want to fix that so the Palinites don't jump all over that.
Happy New Year.

Anonymous said...

To be fair, as far as the Weather Underground thing is concerned...is is known that all calls to the Juneau office are re-routed to her home in Wasilla where she was. So Palin stating that it was -5 degrees there, was not really a lie. It *was* -5 degrees where she was. lol

KaJo said...

Patrick @ 2:33 PM, you said, "I am very surprised that in the KTUU-screenshot her hair seems to be much longer"

...heh... She looks like a turtle in the KTUU picture, that's why... :)

Looking at your comparison photos of the KTUU shot and Photo#2, I'm surprised at how her locks of hair seem to be in precisely the same place, particularly over her forehead.

The lighting is certainly different, thus the comparative lesser coloration in her highlights in Photo#2, I guess.

KaJo said...

To Anon @ 3:29 PM

....Only if the baby comes sometime between right now and about 10 days from now.

Any later, and some serious questions will be, and should be asked about early fertility of a 17 year old primipara (i.e., a woman who's delivered one child), and the earliest EDC for 37 weeks through 40 weeks.

(ha, ha -- my word verfication is "logic"!)

Anonymous said...

This is an excellent page with lots of material about how to detect photo fraud - for those of you who would like to learn more about the subject:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~neukom/

I am just beginning to read these documents which can be downloaded there, and it´s already apparent that many of those techniques can be applied by everybody with standard programs like photoshop etc.

Patrick

Anonymous said...

anon at 3:31

Thanks a lot!

It seems that I have already mentally arrived in 2009...

Patrick

Anonymous said...

In image 2 the dude on the right has a "glow" on both of his shoulders indicating a light source overhead and behind him. No one else has that glow but the other guy has the same glow on his forehead. and the 1/2 second exposure time at ISO 400 with seemingly LOTS of ambient light, it dont make no sense.

Oh, and the 2 guys are looking at the camera and Sarah most certainly is NOT!

Anonymous said...

kajo,

gotcha! same page...

KaJo said...

One more thing, Patrick,

I found a date for the "McAllister interviewing Palin in 2007" pic in your Flickr photostream

May 4, 2007 -- see http://tinyurl.com/93wdta

And I found a larger version of that picture too -- see http://tinyurl.com/8a5vjn

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This sleuthing stuff is just too addictive. I gotta go run some errands! :)

Anonymous said...

If Palin was faking the pregnancy why would all this trouble be taken to fake pictures? I would think it's one or the other.

The similarities between the legit KTUU picture taken on 4/13 and the 2 images in questions seem very legit. The hair length might be in question but the discrepancies in lengths could just be due to angles in the pictures. In the KTUU picture her longer hair appears to be brought forward over her shoulder and in the two suspect images her hair appears to be behind her shoulders.

There are rumblings that Bristol's had her baby. Perez Hilton has posted it on his website with details coming soon. Perez isn't always correct but he got some info from somewhere.

FTR, I doubted Palin's story from Day 1 due to her incredulous tale of travel with ruptured membranes.

I'm not so sure about these two photos though and what they prove.

Anonymous said...

THE BABY IS THERE!!!

...and they will name it:

TRIPP !!!

The grandmother has been charged with selling drugs, and they are calling the baby TRIPP !!!

Can you believe it...?

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20245389,00.html

Patrick

Anonymous said...

People Magazine is reporting that Bristol has had her baby, and named it "Tripp."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20245389,00.html

Anonymous said...

apparently bristol gave birth yesterday: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20245389,00.html

Bristol Palin, the 18-year-old daughter of former Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin, gave birth on Sunday to a healthy 7 lb., 4 oz., baby boy in Palmer, Alaska.

"We think it's wonderful," said Colleen Jones, the sister of Bristol's grandmother Sally Heath, who confirmed the news. "The baby is fine and Bristol is doing well. Everyone is excited."

The baby's name is Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston, according to Jones.

Baby Tripp takes his surname from his dad, Levi Johnston, an apprentice electrician and former Wasilla High School hockey player who has been dating Bristol for three years.

Bristol Palin is currently residing in Wasilla and completing her high-school diploma through correspondence courses.

Johnston is studying to become an electrician. He told the Associated Press in October that he and fiancée Bristol plan to wed in 2009 and raise the child together.

Anonymous said...

I think that we should all write to People.com - now that they have the opportunity to research the story, ask them to make sure to send reporters there to interview people who can prove this new birth story to be accurate. Let's not miss another opportunity to nail down the truth!!

Anonymous said...

From the CNN website .. ticker from People magazine, Bristol had a 7lb. 4oz. baby boy on Sunday. Is there news in the Anchorage Daily News about this? Are there more details or pictures?

Anonymous said...

Trig and Tripp! Isn't that cute? What a trip! The birth is not being reported on the hospital website just as Trig's birth was not reported!

Anonymous said...

Here is the link to ADN - they are reporting.

Lucky couple with a People Mag exclusive. Probably made multi-millions for the first photos. Maybe they can help with grandma's defense costs.

http://tinyurl.com/76p6mu

luna1580 said...

i was SO hoping bristol would rebel hardcore against her family's naming style and and christen the poor thing with the most boring, common name available, like john, chris, jason.......

something like when the kids of hippies grow up to be republicans.

oh well, guess she's a palin through and through.

tripp. that's worse than track. at least trig is supposedly a norse family name on todd's side with a meaning.

this one has to live with public scrutiny, sarah and a drug dealer as g-moms, poor and uneducated young parents, and a name meaning "a time of travel, a time of taking mind altering substances, or an incident of stumbling or falling down." how sad.

luna

Gryphen said...

The ADN says that Bristol gave birth on Sunday. And it looks like the Mat-Su Hospital did the honors yet again.

http://www.adn.com/palin/story/636859.html

Anonymous said...

So I thought, what the heck, let's check out Mat-Su's baby page. If Bristol had it, she probably had it there. No surprise there is no record.

But perhaps the birth mother gave birth there? I always suspected that they would set up an adoption.

A 7 lb, 6 oz baby was born there on December 25th. Could be coincidence. The weird thing is that the baby appears to be listed twice, or as if they wanted to correct the first post.

http://www.matsuregional.com/nursery/show_day.php?date=2008-12-25

I'm excited to see what ADN and people say.

Anonymous said...

YES!!! Pictures from Rep. Peggy Wilson's PERSONAL PAGE were a great find…me thinks that we need to do a bit of focusing on the ‘smaller fish’ in order to find other pictures of SP. I’m still searching AK sites, newspapers and home pages for more pictures.

As for my theory of ONE PICTURE let me explain: I’m not talking about a 3-D image here, not talking about rotating one image, but about SP posing - one pose – then someone shooting her from different angles – then placing those shots into scenes of picture 1 & 2.

Without a doubt this is the same pose, even the eyes match [her focus points]. There is NO evidence of MOVEMENT in either of these poses. Perhaps those aren’t high-lights in her hair, but lighting from the flash. In Picture #1, the back of her hair [head & back], is brighter that the hair surrounding her face, no back lighting, so it doubtful that even with high-lights this section of hair would show so bright. Strange that the doorway in the background seems to reflect some lighting [source].

I believe that picture #1, really does exist [minus SP of course]. With all the evidence, it seems that SP’s picture was later placed in the mix.

AS FOR J HARRIS BEING THE SPEAKER FOR THIS TERM: I read that he decided not to keep his seat; “Chenault takes over the House job from Valdez Republican John Harris, who wielded the House speaker's gavel for four years.”
http://www.adn.com/politics/story/581109.html

We’re doing G R E A T! Let’s keep digging away!

Anonymous said...

I think it is now over and Sarah VERY likely had Trig. First we have Doctor Cathy's medical testimony letter and now we have Bristol having a normal weight baby in due time. There was no Sarah.Hoax.

Anonymous said...

Patrick, re: your flikr page for the comparisons of Sarah Palin´s head between the KTUU-screenshot from 13 April 2008 and the two pregnancy pictures:

On April 13, 2008, it appears that it was already arranged that McAllister would get the position of Palin's press secretary:

See this blog entry by Andrew Halcro:

http://tinyurl.com/7l76h6

“As part of the recent freedom of information act release of emails from Palin assistant Frank Bailey's state computer, it looks as if McAllister could have been in line for a job as far back as the beginning of April.”

So on April 13, 2008, McAllister’s job as press sec. was a done deal.

L.

Anonymous said...

Sarah Palin's age is consistent with having a Down's syndrome baby...

Anonymous said...

"The birth is not being reported on the hospital website just as Trig's birth was not reported!"

As I understand it, Trig's birth was reported but was later deleted from the page.

Anonymous said...

Wow... who commented on the news of little Tripp according to People??

The sister of Bristol's grandmother. That seems strange to me for some reason. It's like being related twice removed or something.

Named after Levi? Levi's middle name is Tripp, or is he just a trip(p), or is he on a trip(p)?

Hummmmmmmmm............ We want pictures, People!!

Anonymous said...

It is odd that the birth was confirmed by Bristol's great aunt. I'd think the grandparents would be the first person the media would go to.

Perhaps Sarah let someone else do the talking so she wouldn't have to go on record saying the baby was born on Sunday....

GraceR said...

Just saw a report on my local TV news (CBS affiliate) that Bristol and Levi sold exclusive rights (pictures, info) to People Magazine for a nifty sum. Let's hope they put the money away for the baby's future. I'm guessing we won't be seeing any pictures or getting any details until People Magazine's next issue.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations to Vic. His letter stated she would make an announcement around this time. He also thought it wouldn't be true. His other theories are also thought provoking.

I couldn't believe she'd tell another lie! Where's a picture of the baby? How about proof of the birth? What a crazy family!

Anonymous said...

in that grandparents.com phone interview (link previously listed), didn't the grandfather call out to bristol asking what baby names she had in mind.

it's entirely possible that she's living with the grandparents.

this is pure speculation, but i could see SP being extremely annoyed with the daughter, not dissimilar to her parent w/ her in the same situation 20 years previously.

the TV DJ said...

Congrats to the parents of the baby (whoever they are). I truly wish the baby all the best in life.

It seems that the "parents and/or grandparents" were finally able to find someone willing to sell... err, I mean adopt a baby into the family (even if it was ten days later than originally planned).
We know we will never see an 'actual' birth certificate for this child, or as many hope, DNA testing for both Trig and Tripp.

"We think it's wonderful," said Colleen Jones, the sister of Bristol's grandmother Sally Heath, who confirmed the news. "The baby is fine and Bristol is doing well. Everyone is excited."
Why would the announcement come from Colleen? That seems a bit odd. Wouldn't Levi, Sarah, Todd or anyone a bit 'closer' to Bristol have made the announcement from the family? Also, no picture, just the word of an 'unknown' family member. It would be really funny if People Magazine got punk'ed and the announcement wasn't even real... but that is a bit out there for a conspiracy theory.

The thing that really gets me about this announcement is that it was given to People magazine (I bet for a nice sum of money). After all of SP's bashing of the MSM this is where they choose to release the birth notification? How crazy is that.

I have spent years in the television business and many people do not know how many stories are SUPPRESSED by the news departments, or more often from the corporate owners of the stations themselves. There have been many scandals involving conservatives and republicans that are not fully researched or broadcast on the orders of these owners. The news directors and reporters know that if they do persue them it would most likely cost them their jobs. This may be the reason we have not seen more media outlets dig into the whole Palin deception in the first place.

I still do not believe that this answers any questions about Trig... changing birthdates is not that hard. I know a friend who has two birth certificates with dates 2 years apart. Until there is DNA testing done "across the board" there will be speculation that SP has been involved in wrongdoing and lies.

Again I wish the best for the newbown child and hope that it's life is not too adversly affected by the Palin lies, scams and general ignorance.

Anonymous said...

Tripp is named after Levi in that he has the last name Johnston. If the birth report is accurate, it does not mean that Sarah gave birth to Trig. In fact, naming Tripp with a name similar to Trig makes most sense if Bristol named both children.
So now the focus appears to be possibility that Trig was born earlier than announced, or that Sarah adopted a child. The other possibility is that perhaps Sarah did give birth in April, but the event was shrouded in mystery due to the name of the father on the birth certificate. After all, Todd was concerned that the "fish picker" not be born in Texas. Why? Inability to guarantee privacy of records? What exactly does fish picker mean? Is it an endearing term? Or is it meant to be derogatory? Has Todd ever publicly stated that Trig was his son?

Anonymous said...

"Morgan said...

....I'd think the grandparents would be the first person the media would go to.

Perhaps Sarah let someone else do the talking so she wouldn't have to go on record saying the baby was born on Sunday....
December 29, 2008 5:36 PM"

yah...she is usually so vocal so as to, and also Charlie...we gotta plow on thru.

Anonymous said...

Fox News just reported that "Tripp" was born on Saturday, not Sunday! Hmmmm!

wayofpeace said...

TRIPP JOHNSON's birth
in no way negates the SARAH.HOAX.

Anonymous said...

according to this article
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/
2008/12/29/bristol-palin-
reportedly-gives-birth-son/

"The governor's office said it would not release information because it considers the baby's birth a private family matter."

hmmmm ... what a surprise

Anonymous said...

If this birth ends up proving that Palin did give birth to Trig - then that is more appalling than a cover-up. Mothers everywhere - of preemies, special needs, and those of us who lost babies to prematurity, know that the Texas to Alaska plane trip greatly endangered the life of her special needs baby. Plus a doctor telling her to go ahead and fly, and perhaps having a GP deliver such a high risk baby, and his being discharged the next day? Well this all adds up to something so unbelievable -- that thousands of people worked for months to come up with a different explanation!

I do appreciate all the work that Audrey and her team have done. I'm not sure how much more speculating I'm willing to do, but I will continue to watch this story and this site.

You can't make this stuff up.

Or can you?!

And now two high school dropouts are rich because of it. I would worry now more about the effects of the money on them, rather than their parenting skills.

Anonymous said...

By the way, Sherry Johnston per an Internet article, appeared to be selling oxycontin pills out of her own prescription supply. While this is still wrong, maybe Sherry is disabled and unable to work and sold the pills to support her family & buy Mercedes a prom dress and Levi some pucks and hockey sticks. If only there had been enough money left over for a couple of condoms. :-(

Anonymous said...

"rather than their parenting skills.

December 29, 2008 6:25 PM"

the heath wife has already stated she cant wait to get her hands on the baby.
....these kids wont be raising this new....baby.

Anonymous said...

I just looked at the ADN website and they say that People Magazine has reported the birth of Bristol's child. The comments to the (very small) article are really funny and, also too, there are a few references to this blog by name!

KaJo said...

Still suspicious...

1) SP is now a celeb, so People got the exclusive. OK, where are the paparazzi? We need some obnoxious photographers hanging around the Mat-Su Gen'l hospital.

2) Until a birth certificate for this very publicly gestated infant is produced, its birthdate should be considered just as questionable as that of Trig Palin.

3) Knowing Sarah Palin's propensity for saying something not-true when something true would do just as well, I wouldn't accept an announcement of this child's birth just because she/her aunt/whoever says it's so.

Sorry. Once burned...

Anonymous said...

Apparently so:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20245389,00.html

If only we could find the Wasilla nurse on duty when Trig was born....

Anonymous said...

OK, B, you have convinced me that pic #1 probably is composited. I can see now that the cameraman is shooting at enough of an angle to Gusty and the hall to give a visually interesting receding-wall backdrop.

So, someone took a still picture of the cameraman and Gusty in April while they were actually taping a news segment - I'm guessing Carpenter did it and did so because he was asked by his bosses to get some stills for PR use by the TV station.

In August, let's assume, McAllister, who was recently hired by Palin as her publicity director, realizes she needs some much more convincing photographic evidence of the pregnancy - maybe she had just gotten word from the McCain camp that she would be interviewed.

McAllister and Carpenter must be friends (they both worked in Alaska's small TV community) - and somehow McAllister learns of the existence of the stills Carpenter shot. So he hatches the plan of inserting Palin in one of the stills.

McAllister, Carpenter, and Palin go back to the state office building where Gusty was earlier photographed and pose for photo #2. (A tripod could have been used, to reduce the number of folks involved.)

Then Palin is photographed at least once more from a different angle with the express purpose of inserting her image in the original Gusty pic. The same camera is used both times - maybe it belongs to Carpenter, maybe to the TV station.

And then someone with some Photoshop skills in fact does insert Palin from the later shoot into pic #1, and does a pretty fair job of it - but not good enough to fool an expert.

One strange fact, then, is the fact that pics #1 and #2 seemingly were taken 3 minutes apart - and that the dates are clearly years off. Possible answer: a $25 program called JPG Date lets you change EXIF dates to whatever you like (and surely other programs offer the same capability).

Wow! It all fits. Palin and McAllister (and friends) seemingly perpetrated this hoax. And this is the woman McCain was willing to put a heartbeat away from the presidency. Damned scary.

Brad

Anonymous said...

Bristol *HAD* her baby last night in Palmer. Alaska. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/29/bristol-palin-baby-son-tr_n_154081.html)

Wonder if anyone could check out that hospital's birth recoeds earlier this year, as in early April, March or even February?

the TV DJ said...

Well fox news can't even keep the lies straight. In the article

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/29/bristol-palin-reportedly-gives-birth-son/

they list Trig as 7 months old currently

Anonymous said...

I'm guessing the People issue will be hotter than the Palin calendar - from all her worshiping fans and all the rest who want to examine those photos! I don't know why I, or anyone on here, predicted the People scoop (or at least I didn't read it here). Forget them posting a free photo on the hospital website or providing one to the news. EXCLUSIVE BABY! Just like Brangelina.

I don't recall seeing much of anything about Levi's dad - but from all of his sister's photos on MySpace, she did not lack for a thing. She appeared to be one pampered little princess. So either there was a lot of family money, or the mom was one successful dealer of her stash. At least her son won't need to borrow any money from her. But perhaps he'll have to pay for her defense. On second thought, they better get some money management advice.

Anonymous said...

I've already seen three different birth rates reported for Tripp. Does anyone else find this odd?

Anonymous said...

Brad, maybe the composite picked up the EXIF of the inserted Palin picture rather than the empty hallway picture? Then photos #1 & #2 could be 3 minutes apart. -B.

GraceR said...

TV DJ, look at the by-line. Fox News is carrying an AP story. Considering all the grammatical errors I've seen in AP articles, not surprising they can't count either.

KaJo said...

If the birth weight of the new baby is honest and true, given the size and obvious nutritional excellence of both parents, the gestational age could be anywhere between 37 (254 days) and 40 weeks (280 days).

If BS got pregnant a minimum of 20 days after TrigP was born (as a true preemie <37 weeks), TrigP's birthdate could be ~the first week of April 2008 or even before.

The appearance of the baby Sally Heath was holding the day before the infant was discharged April 19, 2008 was not that of a preemie newborn.

So the birthdate of this new baby, TrippP/J doesn't prove anything, other than Bristol is fertile.

Anonymous said...

The baby deserves love and blessings no matter who the parents are.

Sarah and her scams will catch up to her. The laws of nature are always in effect. Look how long it took OJ's to catch up to him.

I wonder if Tripp will look like Trig?

Anonymous said...

If Bristol just had a 7 lb. baby (rather than adopting one), then Sarah could have been covering for Bristol only if Trig was born earlier than April 18, which is possible. Trig's biological parent could also be Track, Molly Heath, Willow, or someone else.

We may never know who gave birth to him. The focus should continue to be that it wasn't Sarah Palin. She didn't look and act pregnant enough, her fake belly was showing, her delivery day story was unbelievable, and the photo used to "prove" her pregnancy had been altered. -B.

Anonymous said...

Another baby announcement
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28424559/

Anonymous said...

Seems like the Palins are experts at obfuscation. The birth of Bristol's baby Tripp was initially reported in People (and subsequently repeated in other media) to have taken place on Sunday, with Tripp weighing 7lb 4oz. The People report now says the birth took place on Saturday and the birthweight is 7 lb 7oz.

Anonymous said...

within the last 4 hours a few news agencies have reported that Bristol did give birth to a son----wait for the name---Tripp Easton Mitchel Johnston---YUCK! Anyway, no one is actually giving interviews or releasing photos since the Gov says that it's a "private Family matter" Yeah, she doesn't think that when legislating against someone else's womb.

Well, let's see when and if photos come out. I just hope that Bristol is okay and that Levi turns out to be a decent father. The child needs all the support it can considering the extended family and especially the two grandmothers

midnightcajun said...

I have always thought Trig was born premature, but earlier than April 18, probably early March, at the time Sarah first announced she was pregnant, since it wasn't until the babe was born and they discovered it was DS that they realized they couldn't adopt it out as planned. In early March, Trig would have been quite premature, and held in hospital for weeks. Sarah could have had to rush back from Texas because the neonatal doctor (not her puppet Cathy B-J) announced he would be releasing Trig that Monday. I've always found Sarah's use of that nursing sling in public as strange, yet it makes sense in one way--it makes it much harder for the curious to see your baby. Important if the baby doesn't look "just born."

The truth is, Bristol delivering on cue will make many people shrug their shoulders and say, "Oh, Trig must be Sarah's." Not many people have ever questioned that April 18 date. Unless Sherry Johnston decides to sing (and I doubt she will, if she's been promised a slice of the People pie), the truth here is going to be very hard to crack. Everyone else Sarah has implicated--Dr. Cathy B-J, Gusty, etc, would loose their jobs if the truth came out. They won't talk.

And don't you love Sarah saying the "birth is private," and then selling the exclusive rights to People magazine? You can bet they're not donating the money to charity like Brad and Angelina!

Anonymous said...

Per AP story, Bristol Palin had a baby boy 12/28. What I found most interesting was reference to Sarah Palin's five children, "ranging in age from Trig, 7 months, to Track, 19."

And, there you have it folks -- the AP/Palin camp making up yet more facts. 7 months? Who do they think they're kidding! Given Trig's birthdate of 4/18, he is almost 8.5 months (36.3 weeks or 254 days to be exact) not 7 months. So why the obvious lie? I suspect it's just one more example of stretching the truth, this time to deflect any more rumors about Trig's birthmother.

Boy, they really think people are gullible, no?

Anonymous said...

I've not only seen different weights (mostly 7 lbs 7 oz and 7 lbs 4 oz) but also some saying Saturday at 5:30 pm others that it is Sunday at 12: (I think 37 or 40) a.m. Conflicting reports already?

Anonymous said...

Bizarre that an event under so much scrutiny already has totally different "facts:" People magazine originally reported that Bristol's baby was born on Sunday and weighed 7lb, 4 oz. Now it's being reported that the baby was born on Saturday and weighed 7lb, 4 oz. (It appears that People revised its own story?)

Bristol's pregnancy was announced to "biologically" rebut rumors that Trig was Bristol's; therefore birth dates and other pregnancy/birth possibilities were scrutinized for accuracy. How could such critical birth information (date of birth, baby's weight) be immediately changed?? Especially when People magazine apparently had exclusive possession of the news? There was no rush to beat the competition to press, so it seems like they should be able to report the data accurately.

How can you get the date of birth and weight "wrong?" Just doesn't seem possible.

It appears that someone is manipulating the "facts."

Brad, and journalists and news folks, how does this happen? How can critical information change so suddenly?

L.

Anonymous said...

Bristol's baby is here. Now that it has been physically ruled out that Bristol could not have given birth to TRIGG AND TRIPP (really - what names!?) within this same time period, it will be interesting to read what the 'truthers' out there will come up with next. This is great and entertaining reading.

Anonymous said...

Bristol Palin, according to reports, gave birth last Saturday. If this is true, then she could not be the mother of Trig.

And I think the reason that she "disappeared" from her usual HS before may have been due to an effort on her parents to put a crimp in her partying / drug habit etc. Obviously it did not work.

I think SP is a lousy person and a liar. But I still think she's Trig's mother.

Anonymous said...

oh goodie....now people mag has changed the birth date from sunday to saturday.

changed the weight a bit also.

the jones woman said he was born at 5:30am.
....on one of those days.
heheh heh

RW

Anonymous said...

a1. The announcement of Bristol's baby "Tripp" means nothing. There is no proof. And what's with that name? Whoopeeee we're on a great money Tripp?? Boy, my mom Sara is a real Tripp??? Whoa! Sara hopes she doesn't Tripp herself up with this Tripp???

2. Anonymous Dec 29 8:47 and 9:37 are dead on. You can't have the cameraman and the back wall (2 completely different areas) in focus with Palin OUT OF FOCUS. Photography just doesn't work that way. She is obviously placed into the photo.

3. It may have been KaJo who mentioned 2 different babies involved in this hoax. Hmmmmmm.

4. The Christmas card photo of Trig in the box- Doesn't he look awfully small? Again, here are Huff.Post pictures of Trig during the campaign where he looks pretty darn big for his reported age: http://tinyurl.com/87wh2u

5. I think Trig was born in March at the latest. Palin didn't want to put on that phony pillow/ace bandage belly for too long because it would be too difficult to maintain, people would catch on.

Keep up the great work everyone.

-Ivy

Anonymous said...

Chuck Heath has caused so much trouble with his statement about the water breaking, I feel certain the family designated for announcements would not be the great grandparents. The aunt was probably a reliable source.

Dan Carpenter works for KTUU, Gusty and the videographer work for KTVA.

There still is some deception to uncover. Maybe we don't yet know what it is.

sandra in oregon

Anonymous said...

Brad @ 1:08pm Dec. 28th--
I agree that the depth of field in photo #2 doesn't look right for all three people, the doorway and the picture.

I think further analysis of this "photo" or composite will reveal additional irregularities.

L.

Anonymous said...

In the KTUU picture, SP's necklace looks like a 5 point star. In pic #2, it looks like a cross. Maybe that's why it was shopped out of pic #1?? Also, SP's lips in the KTUU pic look fuller, her eyebrows look thicker, and her eyes don't look brown! This sleuthing is driving me crazy and my family is ready to commit me.
- Journeygal

Anonymous said...

I was just taking a close look at the photos again concentrating on SP's arms.

Do her clasped hands look like they are so much higher in picture 1, than in picture 2? They do to me.

From all accounts, this is the photo position that Sarah has adopted for nearly every photo she takes. You can tell a lot by how large her belly is by calculating the angle of her arms in this position.

I am about Sarah's size. I have been pregnant twice and if I remember correctly, toward the end of my pregnancies my arms almost couldn't make it very well around the front of my belly to clasp my hands. That's why many women have a tendency to place their hands on the top of their bellies like a little table top.

Any other former preggos agree with me?

Anonymous said...

Please let's stop writing about Bristol and the babies, except to send them good wishes.

None of that is any of our business. Our only legitimate interest is if SP was not pregnant -- and we have no right to pursue it any farther than that.

There is no reason why the family should disclose ANY information to the public about anything at this point. No need to criticize or snipe at them for the People exclusive or who announced the birth.

Our only interest is if SP was not pregnant, then her candidacy (based on crusading against ethics violations) is a sham, and we deserve to know it. If we can prove that, fine. If we can't, then we must remember that we hold people to be innocent until proven guilty in this country.

I think she is guilty. And I think we are close. But WE MUST RESPECT THE PRIVACY of those who did not run for office, and we should remain respectful re SP while we continue our research.

--Amy the first

Anonymous said...

Excellent work, once again Audrey.

I hope nobody is holding their breath for the MSM to do ANYTHING. They will only report on what their masters allow them to, and in case you haven't noticed the Powers That Be seem to be setting up Palin for 2012.

(The National Enquirer is not MSM, it's a tabloid, and Edwards was meant to be taken down or that story would never have run.)

Realist

Anonymous said...

"the heath wife has already stated she cant wait to get her hands on the baby.
....these kids wont be raising this new....baby."

Another generation shot. I'm thinking she didn't do such a good job with her own kids. Yeah, that's nasty of me.

Bernie Kruger said...

the TV DJ said...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/29/bristol-palin-reportedly-gives-birth-son/

they list Trig as 7 months old currently

April 19 to Dec 28/29 is 8.5 months.

The baby released on Apr 19 was not prem and a special needs baby would not really be released so soon. Heck my kids were normal and my wife got 2 days in hospital with the second and the first was compulsory to stay 5 days.

I have looked at our baby pics and both were full term and OK, neither were as filled out one day after the birth.

Anonymous said...

Okay, I'm looking at the comparison KTUU -Three Amigos photo on the Sarah Palin's Deceptions flickr page (http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3147882968/in/photostream/).

I know she's wearing the same clothes and accessories in both shots, but to me, her hair looks different. Flatter with less highlights on the "three amigos" shot. In short, I'm not convinced that these two shots were taken on the same day.

Do any others notice this?

"Cat"

Anonymous said...

So I took a deep breath and exhaled, then asked myself what do "I" believe is true? Do I follow what I feel is true or follow what is being told to me by the Sarah Palin family!? I know I need to follow my instincts. I am sorry...but this drama that is SP is not over.

Something is still very wrong with her story. That is why so many of us are still on this site! Words should have meaning, integrity and truth attached to them but they have become meaningless when we hear them come from SP.

Her stories are just too extreme and far fetched to believe. Her whole life is extreme right now... and falling apart... and she just can't see how crazy her stories and her life appear. She is so extreme that she would go to any lengths to make this story work. That is what is truly sad. She is going to take everyone around her down with her and she doesn’t seem to care!

People say whatever is necessary to cover-up their wrong doings and it is up to people like all of us on this site not to wavier.

There is a movie out right now called "Doubt" where the lead character has a doubt about what she feels and senses to be true. When asked how she overcomes her doubt... she simply states her confidence in what she knows to be true!

Well I am confident that this is still the same story we have been pursuing for months. This does not change the original concern that Sarah Palin covered up Bristol's pregnancy by faking her own. I believe Trigg is Bristol’s 1st child and she has just had her second son…Tripp.

Trig was "Presented" to the media on April 18th. But I don't believe for a moment that was his actual birth-date! His birth-date more likely corresponds to Sarah's last minute announcement that she was pregnant. She needed to buy time, do damage control and stop the rumors that Bristol was pregnant. Sarah needed to find a way to save her family from what she thought was a disgrace and protect her career from it’s impact.

There are so many points of information that don't make sense or match:

1) Rumors flying about Bristol being out of school with mono …

2) Bristol changing schools for no apparent reason mid term…

3) Bristol is rumored to be pregnant and Sarah talks to the media about it not being true…

4) Sarah's unbelievable last minute announcement she is pregnant...

5) And 8 weeks later...Sarah supposedly gives birth to Trig…

6) Sarah’s unbelievable story of her trip to the hospital...

7) The photos and story of Trig's birth just don't match a newborn that is a preemie with Downs Syndrome…

8) Sarah’s website pictures disappear...

9) Trigs birth announcement disappears...

10) No medical documents were disclosed after repeated requests...

11) A post-pregnant Sarah that looks in three days like she has never had a child...

12) Sarah brings Trigg, a preemie, Down syndrome child to work three days after it is born...

13) Mercedes MySpace page holding Trigg stating the baby is her brother...

And....who wants to add more?!? This should be enough...but what is crazy is that there is plenty more we could add!!! Just copy and paste this list and let’s see how many talking points are added before the truth is apparent to everyone. Just keep them in a time sequence and change out the numbers!

Believe me...I am confident we are on the right path!

I know that we may lose some after Tripps birth announcement...but that is exactly why they are going to document it like crazy!

Remember...it was Bristol who was rumored to be pregnant and it was Bristol who was missing in action during the lasts months prior to Triggs birth not Sarah. Sarah was busy faking a pregnancy and covering for her daughter.

I am confident we will find out the truth. There is a valuable lesson behind this sad story... and that is anyone can say whatever "words" they want. It is their actions that tell the story! Just look at the last 8 years!! Keep seeking the truth....Diana

Anonymous said...

OK, B, you have convinced me that pic #1 probably is composited. I can see now that the cameraman is shooting at enough of an angle to Gusty and the hall to give a visually interesting receding-wall backdrop.



So, someone took a still picture of the cameraman and Gusty in April while they were actually taping a news segment - I'm guessing Carpenter did it and did so because he was asked by his bosses to get some stills for PR use by the TV station.



In August, let's assume, McAllister, who was recently hired by Palin as her publicity director, realizes she needs some much more convincing photographic evidence of the pregnancy - maybe she had just gotten word from the McCain camp that she would be interviewed.



McAllister and Carpenter must be friends (they both worked in Alaska's small TV community) - and somehow McAllister learns of the existence of the stills Carpenter shot. So he hatches the plan of inserting Palin in one of the stills.



McAllister, Carpenter, and Palin go back to the state office building where Gusty was earlier photographed and pose for photo #2. (A tripod could have been used, to reduce the number of folks involved.)



Then Palin is photographed at least once more from a different angle with the express purpose of inserting her image in the original Gusty pic. The same camera is used both times - maybe it belongs to Carpenter, maybe to the TV station.



And then someone with some Photoshop skills in fact does insert Palin from the later shoot into pic #1, and does a pretty fair job of it - but not good enough to fool an expert.



One strange thing, then, is the fact that pics #1 and #2 seemingly were taken 3 minutes apart - and that the dates are clearly years off. Possible answer: a $25 program called JPG Date lets you change EXIF dates to whatever you like (and surely other programs offer the same capability).



It all fits. Palin and McAllister (and friends) seemingly perpetrated this hoax. And this is the woman McCain was willing to put a heartbeat away from the presidency. Damned scary.



Brad

Anonymous said...

This is all so ''arranged''.

Why isn't there any comment from Levi's side of the family?

MSM treats SP's family as nobles? C'mon.

This whole thing is fishy.

Anonymous said...

"Palin's daughter, Bristol, gave birth to the healthy 7-pound, 4-ounce baby in the Valley, the magazine reported on its Web site.

The full name: Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston.

The baby's father is Levi Johnston of Wasilla. News of Bristol's pregnancy broke across the country after Sen. John McCain chose Palin as his running mate in the 2008 presidential election. Johnston soon joined the Palin family on the campaign trail and told The Associated Press in October that the two planned to marry.

Palin's father, Chuck Heath, declined to comment Monday, referring questions about the baby to the governor and her husband."

Anybody notice the similarity between the names Trig and Tripp and that they both have two middle names. Hummm...and they're keeping Chuck's mouth closed as well, he might leak some info.

**Ms.Lexstasy**

teal said...

It's amazing how her stomach grew and reduced [at will it seems]. I reviewed many SP pictures in order of date. I agree that these pictures HAD to be taken/created at a later date.

I posted as Anonymous @ Dec/29/08 at 5:03 PM…clicked the wrong button for posting. Working with Microsoft Publisher, I see some of the issues mentioned by the Expert.

Also: Picture 2 –to have so many wrinkles on the inside of his sleeve-towards his body-AND not have any on the outside of that sleeve is amazing. In fact the outline of the sleeve seems to be really straight. Why does he seems to be leaning forward–not standing up straight? And unlike SP, his glasses don't reflect light or cast shadows onto his face very well...

Picture 1 - the bottom rear edge of her coat is too straight and does not match the side length of the jacket. As in other pictures featuring this jacket, the bottom edge should have roundness to it and not appear so sharp. She sure wore a lot of black/dark clothing!

Looking closer, I don't believe SP's [stand alone] picture was taken in this area or the building. I also agree that everyone may not have known what was really being asked of them when they were asked to 'create a scene' for proof [or something to that effect], since the baby was already born.

lion55ess said...

The Conception Calculator reveals:

First Day of Last Menstrual Period:March 24, 2008
Probable Date of Ovulation: April 7, 2008
Possible Dates of Conception: April 3 to April 11, 2008
Due Date: December 29, 2008 (40 weeks)

Trig was born April 18 supposedly. Just under the wire. I don't buy it!

Anonymous said...

Here is an article on the Tripp birth which corrects the DOB to Saturday. http://tinyurl.com/7hghx7
The article uses old references. There is no reference to Levi in the article since October. Maybe People is paying big buck$$$ for a more interesting story than we have been expecting.

Anonymous said...

Bristol's baby's weight is reported at 7 lbs. 4 oz. Snarky as it sounds, my second child was three weeks early and he weighed 8 lbs. 3 oz. (He's now 6 ft. 5) Not convinced yet.

Anonymous said...

"Please let's stop writing about Bristol and the babies, except to send them good wishes.

None of that is any of our business."

They are selling photos to People for $300,000, that means it's in the public realm and acceptable to talk about. They are both over 18 and have intentionally put the baby in the spotlight to make money. There's absolutely no moral reason not to talk about them or the baby.

wayofpeace said...

DIANA,

i was just thinking that a summary / precis of the position of this site should be posted ASAP since it's bound to get lots of hits.

AND you just nailed it!

a very compelling list.

....

also, it's amazing how this family, even when holding the 'truth', manages to twist and meander a narrative into vagueness.

Anonymous said...

So Bristol had the baby according to People magazine who reported that they received the news from Bristol's grandmother sister and that the governor's office (SP) had no comments and would not confirm the birth because it is a private matter. Sounds strange to me. Sounds like another cover-up. No hospital birth confirmation, no immediate pictures, no word from SP or McCain camp who actually announced the pregnancy in the first place. Just very strange, very strange indeed.

Anonymous said...

It seems as if Bristol and Levi had their little bundle of joy, Tripp, on Saturday night, and sold the information to People mag for $300K! If Bristol was smart she would contact US Weekly, and whoever else would pay big bucks for her story, and get the hell out of dodge.

Check out McAllister's comment, that he the Governor's office has no comment...it is priceless.

Since they are both 18, I think they should take that money and move far, far, away from Sherry and Sarah.

FW from VA

Anonymous said...

People reports "Bristol Palin is currently residing in Wasilla and completing her high-school diploma through correspondence courses."

Hmmm, the reason given for her not attending school earlier this year was that she had already earned enough credits to graduate through on-line courses. Odd.

If Bristol and Levi sold People exclusive rights, why aren't they getting some quotes from them, the parents. Yes, the great aunt thing is strange.

I think we will not see pictures of Tripp for several weeks yet.

The announcement is proof of nothing. They announced the due date and had to announce a birth within a reasonable time frame.

Anonymous said...

Children with Down syndrome typically have low birth weights and stay small for their ages as they grow up. Their small stature and round faces make them look younger than other children throughout their childhoods. Google "down syndrome" and "birth weight" and get an eyeful. Those who are claiming the first baby does not look newborn should factor a birthweight 10-20% lower than that of a non-Down child into their calculations.

Anonymous said...

Rather "convenient" for Bristol's new son to be born just as the alert posters & investigators on this blog have shown very convincingly that those April pregnancy photos of SP were clearly staged/altered/manipulated...

The announcement of Tripp's birth is meant to be a "nail in the coffin" for speculation about Sarah's pregnancy with Trig, but like all things Palin, it is so weirdly worded that it only makes us wonder MORE about what's really going on here...

If anything, the Dec. 27-28 birth of Tripp makes it seem more likely that Trig was actually born before Apr 18, as many here have already suggested.

The birth of a child should be a joyous event for all involved - it's a shame that Trig and Tripp's births are so shrouded in mystery and misleading statements that no one really knows who should be congratulated!

Anonymous said...

310 comments and growing. Every day there are new, articulate voices on here, searching for and asking for truth.

Diana's list is great. Think of your own child's birth or a friend's. Imagine any two of those oddities happening! Think of Pitt and Jolie's births-- they're positively transparent in comparison to the shenanigans of Palin births.

And as someone brought up earlier. Think of OJSimpson, gliding through his lies for only so long until finally, he's caught and nailed. Call if Karma, or call it Truth. But living in the public's eye means you can't hide forever.

Margot said...

Audrey, I've been turning a thought over in my mind for two days. Last night I asked my husband for his opinion on it. My husband is an attorney with a very logical mind and also a very argumentative mind.

My question: How significant is the caption under the picture (Original caption from Flickr account: Myself, Governor Palin, Press Secretary McAllister.?

Husband's reply: VERY. And, more telling than his statement was the fact that he could not argue against it. His knee jerk reaction is to see both sides. in other words, the caption is definative since we know that McAllister was not Press Secretary until 2-3 months after this picture supposedly was taken.

In my opinion the caption is the smoking gun. The picture was arranged and staged by "myself."

"Myself" isn't too bright either. Why not use his name? The statement is better grammatically if it reads, "Gov. Palin, Press Secretary McAllister and I. Even that is wierd as the point of a caption is to identify everyone in the picture including yourself.

Anonymous said...

Beyond what's been stated on the necklace issue (I'm lazy and havn't read the 600+ posts) - it's in Image 1, but not Image2

wayofpeace said...

LOL

as per MamaBird62, HUFF POST blogger:

Other babies born recently at Mat-Su Regional in Wasilla:

Garick,

Taneum,

Theryn,

Gauge,

Icis,

Daelyn,

Mayme,

Braiden,

Dax and

Aualia!!!

...

what's up with alaskans and baby-naming??? very creative.

it will make for challenges for some kindergarten teachers.

Anonymous said...

Journerygal, I also noticed the necklace being a star rather than a cross. But if all three pictures are from April 13, I think the necklace should be the same in all. Yet they left the cross on in 3Amigos, unless we're just seeing part of a star there. The necklace must have come off photo #1 as an incidental part of whatever alterations were done. -B.

Anonymous said...

News Flash! The first published video of Tripp (Remember: Jim Morrison of the Doors said, "The Best Part of the Trip is the Tripp!") shows the three day old Tripp winking and incoherently babbling something which sounded like, "You Betcha!"

Anonymous said...

Time to revisit this post:

Monday, November 24, 2008
Ongoing Questions about Trig Palin's Birthdate
Here's a comment that came in as a response to my previous post concerning the accurate dating of the "Pink" prom photos found on Mercede Johnston's MySpace page.


I believe you're right Audrey but even if the prom was held on one of the earlier dates, we received no proof of Trig being born on April 18th. Maybe he was several weeks old by that date...unless there's something I missed and April 18th was confirmed as the birth date.


Per se, you have not "missed" anything. However, I have been looking at all evidence on this matter for months now. I know that many different scenarios have been proposed. In a comment within the last couple of weeks someone suggested that Trig could have been born as far back as February, though I can't remember why the person thought that was possible and actually cannot locate that comment right now.

I certainly might be proved wrong on this issue, but here's my call. I believe that someone was in labor on April 17th. Without that fact, Sarah Palin's very public, very visible, very commented on, and extremely implausible trip from Texas to Anchorage, which commenced around 2 PM (Central Time - 11 AM Alaska Time) on the 17th and ended up 12 hours later at Mat-Su Hospital in Palmer makes no sense. The only reason we really have something to talk about now is because, on April 17th, she left a conference early, changed her travel plans, got on an airplane, told people that the reason she did this was because she was in labor, and then - voila - produced a baby six hours later. If Trig Palin was already born, and "stashed" somewhere, this trip (and dramatic production of baby the next morning) makes no sense.

Was Trig Palin born
1. at 6:30 AM on April 18th
2.at Mat-Su Regional Hospital in Palmer Alaska,
3.delivered by family practice doctor Cathy Baldwin-Johnson?

I think all three of those statements could be questioned. But I believe both his birth day and time were very close to this. While I will always look at new information as it becomes available, attempts to place the birth too far outside of this time slot are a distraction at best.
posted by Audrey at 5:37 AM

Anonymous said...

It's probably time to give this a rest. Major news media reporters have ample opportunities to debunk the pregnancy if it didn't happen. Specifically, if no other, there are a number of adults to interview at the museum during Alaskan History Week -- teacher, museum employees, etc. The adults present could confirm or deny apparent pregnancy. The only thing giving this story legs is Palin herself. She's just so "out there" that much of what she does is questionable behavior. There's a bigger story than whose child this is. The real story is how Alaskans can have her as an elected official now that she has been thoroughly exposed. All those issues is where I'd like to see your blog go.

Anonymous said...

Never a dull moment with the Palins. One would think the report of the time, date and birth weight would be fairly basic and easy to get right; but no. Now we have several versions. Also, the wrong age for Trig is pretty glaring. Unfortunately, the story is being reported more or less verbatim, even by the NY Times, which you would think would know better after having to retract a hoax letter just last week. So much for checking the accuracy of sources before reporting -- I suggest that people write letters to the editors of NYT and others, complaining about their obvious lack of fact-checking and ignoring of the inconsistencies and countervailing evidence in this case.

midnightcajun said...

Audrey, I know you think we shouldn't question the April 18th birth date because you think it's the only way Sarah's trip home makes sense. But it seems to me that one shouldn't expect logical behavior from Sarah. Nor should one underestimate the ridiculous, often gratuitous nature of her lies (consider the recently reported lie about the weather that betrayed the fact she wasn't really in Juneau). It seems perfectly possible that she thought her flamboyant tale of the trip home would fix that date in people's minds and therefore prevent them from questioning the child's size or its "early" release from the hospital-which for many it actually has done.

DS babies are normally of small birth weight, and have compromised immune systems. I just can't believe they'd release that baby in a day-they'd still be doing tests on it's heart, etc. Also, wouldn't they need to do a test to confirm the presence of DS (even if early testing had really been done), and in a small provincial hospital wouldn't that test take longer than the first reports of the child being "special"? It seems to me the "suggestion" was almost instantaneous.

I also find it interesting that all the releases on Tripp's birth are saying Trig is "7 months," rather than even 8 1/2, as if to blur the dates further.

Next Chapter said...

I have had a senario in mind if Bristole was the mother of Trigg in regard to this pregnancy.

1. There would be a 'birth announcement' within 2 weeks of the due date. This would have to be done because too many people know that a doctor will not let you go past the 2 week mark without inducing. Remember, the original due date was on the 18th. After that, Neither the baby nor Bristole will be seen for another month or two while the Palins say that they need their privacy. There might even be a doctor that could be talked into inducing 2 weeks early if Bristole actually had a due date in January. This would give the baby a gestational age of 38 weeks which is one week over what is considered preterm. If you couple that in with not seeing either Bristole or the baby until sometime in either late January or in Febuary, it makes for a plausable case that Bristole could be Trigg's mother. I have to say 7 pounds, 7 ounces seems to me to be a little small for a 41 week gestational baby. My first son had to be induced I was 2 weeks overdue and he was 8 lbs, 13 oz - almost 9 lbs! My second son was born on his due date and he was 8 lbs, 9 oz. I know that full-term babies have different weights, it just seems that 41 weeks gestation baby of a healthy, well-nourished mother would at least be in the 8 lb range.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the comming weeks.

I don't know if Bristole is Trigg's mother or not. I still do not believe that Sarah is his mother. There continues to be too much evidence against it.

I found another picture of Sarah where she is wearing the black jacket in the March 8th picture. This one shows her wearing it sometime in 2007. I don't know the exact date, but it is a 'Not Pregnant' picture. In this picture it shows the jacket zipped all the way up and she seems slimmer, but this is showing her leaning away from the person she is talking to. The March 8th picture shows the jacket being partially zipped and she is leaning forward to shake someone's hand, this is causing the top of the jacket to gape open.

The part I want to point out is the bottom of the jacket. In both pictures they hang exactly the same way. There is no pulling or distortion or lifting of the jacket. That you could even zip the same jacket at 7 months pregnant is one thing, but for there to be absolutely no descripancy in how it fits on you is another.

Didn't she say in March that she was surprised that no one could tell she was pregant because her clothes were getting, "tighter"?

Look for yourself and see if you agree.

http://tinyurl.com/7b4t49

Anonymous said...

"the governor's office (SP) had no comments and would not confirm the birth because it is a private matter."..

Except for the People magazine
thing!

Anonymous said...

"If Trig Palin was already born, and "stashed" somewhere, this trip (and dramatic production of baby the next morning) makes no sense."

Maybe Palin is just too stupid/too much of a habitual liar, to tell a boring lie, so she had to spice it up.

So perhaps Trig was born in March. Expaining why there's no birth notice at the hospital website, and no birth certificate ever produced.

KaJo said...

To Anon @ 8:08 AM,

There's now a note at the bottom of the NYT story about the Tripp birth saying, "(This version CORRECTS the day of birth to Saturday, instead of Sunday, per the magazine.)"

Nothing about the 3oz. disparity in the weight reports, though...

------------------------

To teal, (in your comment 12/30 @ 2:27 AM)

I saw what you are seeing in Photo#2 regarding McAllister's right sleeve, the one placed in front of Palin's belly. The outside of the sleeve is too straight for the number of creases in the body of the sleeve -- as if the composite seam between Palin and McAllister was "repaired" by a cloning tool, but not very cleverly.

But your finding on Photo#1, about Palin's coat hem? If you look at the picture in negative format, you can see the form of the coat clearly because the color tone of the coat is very slightly different from her pants.

And yeah, she wore a lot of dark clothing...for about 3 months. If you look at pictures of her dating back to her mayoral days, she wore lightcolored blouses, sometimes closefitting clothing, and nearly always colorful.

For those 3 months she looked like she was in mourning.

KaJo said...

In addition to the "it's private" and "sell story to People for $300,000" disparity in logic, there's something else, as was noted by one of our "Anon" yesterday (11:55 AM):

So far, Gramma Palin and the mail crew at the Capitol Building haven't sorted through and determined which of the many thousands of baby gifts sent to the governor's office that they'll keep (and itemize for ethics disclosure) or donate to needy families...as far as anyone has determined, they are keeping all of them.

In response to "amy the first", I think the Palins have put themselves in a wide-open position for criticism by doing that. With everything that's transpired and been reported on in the past few months, they appear to be the most selfish, greedy, and morally bankrupt family I've heard of in some time.

This is an opinion, not a judgment. I'd be happy to change my opinion any time the Palin family does something we become aware of that's noble, selfless, and not politically motivated.

Anonymous said...

Also bears repeating Diana's list of points "that don't make sense or match:

1) Rumors flying about Bristol being out of school with mono …

2) Bristol changing schools for no apparent reason mid term…

3) Bristol is rumored to be pregnant and Sarah talks to the media about it not being true…

4) Sarah's unbelievable last minute announcement she is pregnant...

5) And 8 weeks later...Sarah supposedly gives birth to Trig…

6) Sarah’s unbelievable story of her trip to the hospital...

7) The photos and story of Trig's birth just don't match a newborn that is a preemie with Downs Syndrome…

8) Sarah’s website pictures disappear...

9) Trigs birth announcement disappears...

10) No medical documents were disclosed after repeated requests...

11) A post-pregnant Sarah that looks in three days like she has never had a child...

12) Sarah brings Trigg, a preemie, Down syndrome child to work three days after it is born...

13) Mercedes MySpace page holding Trigg stating the baby is her brother...

Just copy and paste this list and let’s see how many talking points are added before the truth is apparent to everyone. Just keep them in a time sequence and change out the numbers!"

Anonymous said...

"It's probably time to give this a rest.... All those issues is where I'd like to see your blog go."



Wow, that message shows Palinesque levels of bravado and entitlement. Feel free to start your own blog on the issues you want to see covered.

""Myself" isn't too bright either. Why not use his name? The statement is better grammatically if it reads, "Gov. Palin, Press Secretary McAllister and I. "

I think the grammatically correct way to do it would be "me" not "I." Assuming, of course, that the rest of the account is clearly labeled so that the "me" is identified.

Anonymous said...

In answer to L re rapidly changing "facts" about birth reported by People magazine.: I suspect People was simply going with the latest "facts" at their disposal, and their sources conflicted. Getting a scoop would have outweighed concern over getting the story right from the beginning.

But I am glad to see the AP included this line in its story (as seen in the New York Times): "Palin family members, hospital employees and spokespeople for the governor's former running mate, John McCain, either would not confirm the birth or did not return messages from The Associated Press."

So the AP was willing to inject a bit of doubt as to the veracity of the story by highlighting the lack of confirmation - and the reporter had this fairly high up in the story.

Brad

Anonymous said...

That April 18 date is still one of the big keys, and I've seen and read enough to believe that the first baby was probably born at least a few weeks earlier. Way back in the beginning of this blog, someone wrote about how easy it is for a young woman to become pregnant again immediately postpartum, and I'm here to say amen to that. I got my period again less than two weeks after my first child was born, and I was nursing. Best of luck to you, Bristol. Take the People mag money and run.

Anonymous said...

Thoughts from Kay…
Was away from my computer for awhile…I am still holding onto my conspiracy theory that Trig belongs to Track Palin and Sherry Johnston. And that is why Trig can easily have the Palin name…he is a Palin thru birth and adoption (if he has been adopted). Ms. Johnston hasn’t had her day in court yet either. So everyone…don’t give up & stay strong!
Side note…if the Bristol’s baby is named Tripp…I think it’s a fitting name for the baby. That Bristol…she does have a little rebel in her…
Trip…like keep focusing on that “trip” from Texas to Alaska…or…
Trip…like my brother sure was on a “trip” the day he got Sherry Johnston pregnant…or…
Like someone else said…Mommy Sarah is sure a “trip”!
(December 30, 2008 at 10:03am)

Anonymous said...

I thought it was Tripp, as in Daddy's favorite hockey penalty. Soon there will be little brother Slash and little sister Icing.

Anonymous said...

Of all the millions, errr thousands of Alaskans, Sarah Palin's PRESS SECRETARY is the ONE person who is IN CHARGE OF SENDING OUT CORRECT INFORMATION to the PRESS, and he refuses to do so !?!

He could have handled this announcement, by saying simply "Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and her husband Todd are pleased to announce the birth of a healthy grandson to their daughter Bristol at ... o'clock on December ... weighing ... and ... inches in length." PERIOD!

How hard could that be, McAllister? It's your JOB!

Sounds like a snarky reporter had the great aunt's phone number and got her to spill the beans. If that's the case, GO SNARKY REPORTER! Uhhh why don't you get more information while you're at it?!!

Anonymous said...

"There is no reason why the family should disclose ANY information to the public about anything at this point."

No, there isn't. However, since they announced the pregnancy at the RNC, their failure to officially announce the birth is odd. Given the persistent rumors about Trig's birth, it's also rather dumb of them. Why WOULDN'T they announce the information? Because "shame" doesn't seem to be anything they're acquainted with.

"we must remember that we hold people to be innocent until proven guilty in this country."

In a court of law. This isn't. We're entitled to our opinions. If Sarah Palin actually does prove she gave birth to Trig- say, had her doctor announce it, or something like that- I'm willing to say I was wrong.

"WE MUST RESPECT THE PRIVACY of those who did not run for office, and we should remain respectful re SP while we continue our research."

Um.... no. Sarah is the one who made Bristol's pregnancy public knowledge- nobody would have cared if she hadn't announced it to cover her own questionable behavior. And no, we don't have to respect Sarah Palin. Respect means "deferential regard or esteem." Sarah hasn't earned that. We're all entitled to hold her in contempt, if that's how we feel. That's pretty much how I feel about her. It's not how I usually feel, but she earned it.

KaJo said...

It's evident that someone has muzzled the always-willing-to-oblige-the-media Chuck Heath, anyway.

If he and Sally didn't "behave", I'll bet they were threatened with ostracism by a certain well-known daughter who's pretty much had her own way since birth...

Anonymous said...

Regarding the infamous pregnancy pic No 1 (Gusty interview) - I have found something...!!

I have manipulated the pregnancy pic No 1 in a way that was suggested by Hany Farid, Professor at Dartmouth and worldwide leading expert for detecting digital photo forgeries in this research paper:

http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/farid/publications/tifs09.html

I have opened the pic in IrfanView, re-saved it with a JPEG quality of just 30% and then changed it to "negative" and afterwards changed the contrast and zoomed into the neck area without changing the picture - the result was quite a surprise: On the neck area suddenly very strange, highly suspicious "spots" appeared! (the same area in which the photoshop-expert which was instructed by the palindeception blog also detected pixel cloning and other alterations).

Here is the link to the manipulated picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3150811895/

Patrick

Anonymous said...

Addition to my post at 2:11

When I said that I "zoomed into the neck area without changing the picture" I meant that I didn´t use a "special" program for zooming which would then "straighten" the pixels again after zooming.

Therefore the pixels were not changed through the zoom. Hope that I have explained this well enough.

Patrick

Anonymous said...

Why the rushed tripp home on April 17? The plan all along was to go to give the speech in Texas and then come home to fake giving birth. The story about rushing home to give birth is likely fabricated. It's possible they never changed their flight from their original plans. Since Trig was already born and growing they did want to get home as soon as Sarah gave her speech and cemented the VP seed.

ALSO, Myself, Governor Palin, could have been written by Governor Palin, herself. An egocentric Palin would not have been concerned with anyone other than Herself and McCallister. Referencing the third person in the picture could have been superfluous!

Anonymous said...

Sarah's hair looks longer in the pic on 4/13 in her office I believe, than the two we are investigating. It looks like she has a star or jewish necklace and I think someone said the necklace in these photos was a cross.

She looks alot different in these photo's than the other ones from that day.

Can anyone tell the difference in her eyebrows from these pic's and the others in her office on that day?

Anonymous said...

Anon at 5:58 PM -
I agree.. I've been looking at those photos a LOT too, and although I've mentioned it before, I'll say it again: the proportions of SP's head & face look completely different in the 2 pics examined by the photoshop pro, esp when compared to the (more normal-looking) screenshot from the KTUU interview. SP is not just out of focus, but "squished down" somehow... The Gusty photo (#1) is the strangest of all - unlike any other photo of her from 2008, in my opinion.
When I saw Patrick's negative image of pic #1, it really struck me how short her neck appears to be. Check other photos of her and you'll see the difference!

Anonymous said...

Patrick, your negative image of SP from the infamous Photo #1 is very, very interesting. It certainly appears that there has been some manipulation there; but I can't really figure out why. Can you? It would seem to explain why the necklace is not visible (which I know you observed originally, so kudos on the good eyes!). But why would they have wanted that to disappear? Or was it unintended, do you think? I know there is some thought that the image was inserted into another photo; but why would this section of the photo be manipulated? I find this really perplexing.

--Truthseeker2

Anonymous said...

"Tina in CA said...

I was just taking a close look at the photos again concentrating on SP's arms.

Do her clasped hands look like they are so much higher in picture 1, than in picture 2? They do to me.
"

GOOD Point!
it appears to me that in #1 her hands are more centered on the largest protrusion of the belly....whereas in #2 you can pretty well SEE where the belly cuts back, drops back under....Just like the light/dark pic Audrey showed of the FAKE belly pad!!

In #1 she also has one lock of hair on her left my right shoulder which is not present in #2.

In #2 that belly looks darn high for that late in a preg!!!!

In fact if you look....the belly in #1 looks LOWER than the belly in #2.
In #2 it is right under the boobs.
In #1 it is much lower.
In fact, in #2 her boobs look way too high!!....like she shoved it all UP for the pic!!!
ROFLOL...

RW.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 5:58 PM -
I agree... I've been reviewing these photos a LOT lately, and although I've said it before, I'll repeat it now: the proportions of SP's head and face look very unusual in the 2 pics examined by the photoshop pro, esp when compared to her more normal appearance in the screen shot from the KTUU interview.
To me the Gusty pic (#1) esp is unlike any other photo of SP from 2008 - she's not just out of focus (badly) but also quite distorted and "squished down" or blocky-looking.
When I saw Patrick's negative image of this shot, it really struck me how short her neck appears to be. Compare this photo to any other and you'll see a definite difference!

Anonymous said...

New Chapter...

I haven't figured out how this photo keeps getting overlooked. To me this is one of the most telling photos. There is no way she is 30 weeks pregnant in this photo. She doesn't even look pregnant and it was taken March 8th, 2008. And your right she wore this in 2007 and it is not a jacket that is designed for a pregnant woman! I don't see how anyone looking at this photo would ever think she could be Trig's mom!

http://tinyurl.com/6vfvev

Anonymous said...

If one or both photos were faked or staged after Trig's birth to produce "evidence" of pregnancy, what is the point of having the other people in them? Sarah could have posed alone, and there would have been no need for Photoshopping, thus no evidence of Photoshopping. Certainly these days whoever was in on the game would know that Photoshopping leaves evidence. Is it just to make the photos seem legit?

Anonymous said...

In #1 when I now look at the lines (in the picture)on SPs entire jaw and chin...it seems to me you can see the slices--if you will--that were laid in place to create the face.
LOL.

They are also apparent in #2, a bit more so.
In #2---right above the chin you can see the horizontal line sections that build the composite facial structure from the bottom up (or top down depending on how they laid it out).
They are even different shades.
Same as in #1.

In #2 tho...it certainly looks to my eye as tho they were attempting to make her face look fatter.
Her jaw line in both directions breaks up.
Whereas from right below the ear and up it does not.

The line waves are mostly across the lower face....the area where pregger facial weight would show.
LOLOL...

In #1 does her head look like it was ceremoniously planted on that neck??

Oh my, maybe this isnt even SP!!
...maybe this is a poser they then set the SP facial shop on!!

If you google palin close ups...you can see quite a different neck than what is seen in #2...

Reporter Gutsy has similar facial 'lines' again, mostly across the bottom.
The camera guy does not nor do the two guys in #2.

this is becoming nearly hilarious.
....nearly..

Anonymous said...

If she didnt pad her back in this picture...Ill eat my boots!!

http://rightwingnews.com/graphics/palinpreg.jpg

THERE IS NO WAY SP HAS A HUMP.
Not now not then now packing anyone's kid.
Ill give her that!!...she dont have a hump!!

She certainly doesnt sport that hump in #1!!!

Is this the same outfit and pink scarf?
http://i33.tinypic.com/mt70d4.jpg
Is there a date for this pic?

Anonymous said...

Oh my!!
Looks like she sported the hump on...ready?...March 6, 2008.

Same outfit.

But two weeks prior she POSED for Vogue.
...no hump there!!!

ROF.

Anonymous said...

Of course there is always this REAL SP PREG PIC...
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aFc47u3szeI6/340x.jpg

Now thats a pregger SP!!
...but still no hump!!

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the comments on the negative picture of SP´s neck area in the Gusty pic (link to the pic in my original post above). I am not an expert of detecting image alterations, although I am now reading more about the subject (I recommend the research papers of Dartmouth-Professor Hany Farid as a starting point).

However, it is clear to me that those black dots in the neck area are clear signs of image alterations. Similar dots appeared nowhere else in the whole picture. In the original picture, this area appears just as "one bright area".

Anybody can easily repeat the procedure and check. Save the original "Erik99559" Gusty pic as a JPEG with 30% quality, make it negative and change the contrast. As I said, I am not an expert, but in the research paper of Hany Farid which I mentioned in my original post he recommended this method for detecting composite images.

I am not 100% sure what those dots mean. It could be that the necklace was removed - maybe because the image quality of the necklace was just too bad, and a viewer of the picture would have immediately picked up on this.

I had also noticed that SP´s neck in the Gusty picture just looks "too short". I had even looked through some "real" pictures of SP where she has was photgraphed from a similar angle - but I didn´t come to a definite conclusion. In almost all pictures, her neck looks much longer.

Unfortunately, I could not get Hany Farid to take a closer look at the two "infamous pregnancy pictures" pictures. I emailed him, explained to him the whole story behind the pictures in detail and also sent him the report of our expert, but his response was:

"Patrick,

I receive many requests to analyze images. Given time constraints, I
am unable to consider all such requests.

regards,
Hany Farid"

I then suggested if maybe one of his students could have a look at the pictures, but I haven´t received a reply yet.

Patrick

Anonymous said...

I now think the photo of Sarah in the Gusty picture was taken on April 13. It was either taken with Gusty in April (so Gusty thought she was telling the truth) or in August it was put into the empty-hallway Gusty picture from April.

I think 3Amigos was taken at the same time (not sure about three minutes apart -- that sounds like pictures of pictures) but wasn't a side view so it was not altered. I don't find it at all unusual that Palin would pose with anyone she knew who wanted his own "See, I know the Governor" picture." As Biden said, Palin is very like-able.

So because Palin's photo wasn't staged, the side view available (and maybe already posted then by Erik/a) was not a slam dunk to be a belly a few days away from delivering a six pound baby. (At the time, she thought she had another month to "grow.") So Palin's image was altered.

Remember, one poster here recalls seeing this Gusty photo with Palin at the end of August and the belly not being convincing to her -- but then the photo somehow became a picture with a fuller belly that did seem convincing to her. That suggests the photo existed with Palin and Gusty, maybe posted by Erik/a. Some Palin person got feedback that there were no photos convincing enough and asked Erik/a to let him replace that one.

I conclude that Palin's image was distorted in some way just to stretch the belly. This probably involved making her head and legs relatively smaller. This may have screwed up the necklace so as to be a visible giveway of alteration, so that the necklace had to be removed. (Good eyes, Patrick! Isn't that what started this?) Or her head may have been put back on her altered body, thus the funny neck pixels.

I've been mulling over this since seeing Patrick's picture of her at the legislature on April 13. The hair seems the same to me as in 3Amigos, just the longer strands brushed onto and behind her shoulder there. Hair would be hard to stage several months later, especially since her hair was shorter by then.

I am gratified this morning to see others saying that Palin's body seems distorted in the Gusty photo. This makes the most sense -- no staging, no conspirators other than the photoshopper, and explains the neck. But I don't even have Photoshop to play around with how to expand a belly by reducing the rest of a body. Patrick, I can't thank you enough for your pictures and for putting them together for me.

Next step: Someone with clout needs to ask Gusty and her TV station why she gave Factcheck a picture which an expert says shows alteration, and also ask Factcheck in light of the opinion of alteration to revisit its opinion.
-B.

Anonymous said...

Yes, B (7:51AM)!! I'm glad you agree with me that Palin's body looks distorted in the Gusty pic. I also remember seeing the slimmer version of this photo (way back when, in very early Sept?) and recall that someone had a demo (linked on DailyKos perhaps?) that showed how Photoshop could've been used to expand SP's belly after the fact. The demo maneuver distorted Gusty's shape, too, so maybe someone should try to find out what she normally looks like - or looked like in April!?!?
Hmmmm.... the plot THICKENS, as they say...

Anonymous said...

Anon.@8:39 --

Really? DailyKos had the smaller belly sideview and showed how the belly could be morphed? Wow!! But then DK deleted all the stuff in September, right? I didn't follow this story until after DK removed it.

As to Gusty also being distorted in the DK demo, I think for the current version Palin was either altered and added to the original or, more likely, removed and morphed and replaced. Could this be why the photo was replaced by a lower-resolution version after it was posted on flikr: the replacement had an altered Palin and the original did not?

Is there anything in the expert's report that points to a possibility of alteration in the belly? If someone just multiplies the gray pixels already existing in the middle of the belly area, but doesn't alter anything at the edges of the belly area, would that be detectable by an expert?

I really think we are onto something here. Really! -B.

Anonymous said...

RW, Palin posed for Vogue in December, not February. What do you think the hump could be? Do empathy bellies have shoulder straps? Maybe she was just leaning forward and that's how the jacket hung. -B.

Anonymous said...

Im having problems getting ANY of these tinyurls.

What is the deal with them?
How do you get them to open up?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...10:16 AM
RW, Palin posed for Vogue in December, not February."

The Vogue cover was shopped.
http://kodiakkonfidential.blogspot.com/2007/12/sarah-in-vogue.html
...for the February edition that came out in late Jan 08.

What I had read last night re the pink scarf/hump pix was it was taken right after the Vogue pic came out.
It was unclear to me at the time when the Vogue pic were taken.

From ADN re Vogue
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/210091.html
"Photographers took shots of Palin - often including her daughters Bristol, 17; Willow, 13; and Piper, 6 - to be published in an upcoming edition.

As for the story line, Vogue was vague.

Magazine spokesman Patrick O'Connell only said she will be part of a story for its February edition to be released late January."

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/palin-featured-in-vogue/1789590682
there were only two pic of her...one against the plane and one walking....on ice...
bp1.blogger.com/.../s400/SarahVogue2.jpg

If you look at the Vogue cover her entire face looks shopped in.

Why does this pic hardly look like her....
http://www.style.com/vogue/feature/090108VFEA/

Anonymous said...

we do not have access to high-quality images from a known and reliable source from which solid conclusions can be drawn.

Been trying to tell you guys this all along.

Digitized photos aren't proof of anything. Come with some evidence of your claim that will make her accountable to the holes in the story. Otherwise, just admit you like looking at pictures of Sarah Palin's body, because that is really all that's going on here.

Anonymous said...

Here she is at the NGA photo group shot in Feb 25 08...she is 2nd from left bottom row and surely doesnt look preggers.

The hump pic comes from March 6, 2008.
http://www.nga.org/portal/site/nga/menuitem.6c9a8a9ebc6ae07eee28aca9501010a0/?vgnextoid=3ef7315eff9e7110VgnVCM1000001a01010aRCRD&vgnextchannel=5f0f749a71302010VgnVCM1000001a01010aRCRD
Feb. 25—As NGA kicks-off its centennial celebration, the nation's current governors "recreated" the 1908 photo during the annual governors' meeting with the president.

High resolution
http://www.subnet.nga.org/centennial/Images/GovsPortraitNGA2008Large.jpg

Anonymous said...

You're right, RW, that Vogue picture doesn't look like her. -B.

Anonymous said...

For what it's worth, when you enlarge the photo accompanying the ADN story about SP's Vogue shoot, you get a good view of the star necklace that she also seems to be wearing in the 3 Amigos pic and/or the KTUU screenshot from April 13.
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/6w5sn2

Anonymous said...

http://www.style.com/vogue/feature/090108VFEA/
This is the only picture Vogue presented of SP.

"From ADN re Vogue
http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/210091.html
"Photographers took shots of Palin"

Anonymous said...

We have "cut out" the people of the pregnancy pic No 2 ("The Three Amigos") and layed them over each other.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32527116@N06/3156169325/

SP looks like a hobbit here...

Funny, I always thought she was a witch. ;-)

Seriously - this doesn´t look right?

And what happened to Bill McAllisters right shoulder?

Any thoughts on that?

Patrick

Anonymous said...

Credit for the cutting out of the pictures and overlaying them goes to Jen - you know who you are!

Kathleen

Anonymous said...

Patrick, good layering to show that SP wasn't just shorter but much smaller. I suggested a while back that the images of the press people were grafted (pasted?) into that picture, not SP as was analyzed by the expert.

Please look at the shadows on the faces. The men have strong shadows under their noses and lips as if that picture was illuminated by a harsh flash. SP has smaller shadows and they point in a different direction.

Thanks for all the assistance you have provided.

sandra in oregon

Anonymous said...

Very effective, Patrick - many thanks for all you've done to further the cause of this blog! Your technical "maneuverings" and observations are greatly appreciated and very informative!!

preznit said...

check out the squares (or lack thereof) in the carpet. an extra one just behind SP's right foot that doesn't match any of the other pattern, also there should be a white square just in front of Gusty's feet

Anonymous said...

Thanks for sticking with the photo analysis, Patrick & Kathleen & Jen & others. It's almost as if we were getting too close to the truth, so Sarah had to create the distraction of Tripp's alleged birth to stop the photo analysis. (I realize her timing on Tripp was governed by a 12/18 due date.) -B.

Anonymous said...

preznit said..."check out the squares (or lack thereof) in the carpet. an extra one just behind SP's right foot that doesn't match any of the other pattern, also there should be a white square just in front of Gusty's feet"

Good finds, preznit! The line of squares that should have run between Gusty's feet is missing. Doubtful the carpet looks like that. I disagree, though, that the square behind Palin's foot is an extra. It's part of a line that runs from the door. What's wrong with it, I think, is that that line isn't quite parallel to the others: the gap narrows at her foot, even considering perspective.
-B.

Anonymous said...

preznit, good eye. The extra diamond is very evident.

sandra in oregon

Anonymous said...

Patrick, and other Photoshoppers, could the narrowing parallel line in the carpet pattern be from Palin's feet being shrunk, as in someone shrinking all of her body except the middle to make it look bigger? I think prezit's find is meaningful, but not sure how. -B

Anonymous said...

There are comments about the necklace being different in the verified 4/13 picture and the "three amigos." I thought they were different also, and that the amigos picture had the necklace as a cross. However, now I think the difference is the angle, and the light reflecting from the gold part gives the illusion of a cross. Also, I also think the length of the chain appears to be different because of the angle of SP's neck. She is leaning forward on the desk.

Anonymous said...

I haven't been able to read through all of the posts and comments, so I apologise if this has already been discussed. For image 1, has anyone considered the shadows on her face and neck and how the photographer's light cast light vs. shadow on her face? It seems that the right side of her face (her right) is in shadow, even though she is looking to her left relative to the photographer's light. Also the crease around the left side of her mouth (her left) shows a shadow, although the reporter's does not.

preznit said...

on closer examination, it looks like Gusty is standing on top of the squares. however, check the distortion of the lines of large squares where SP is standing

AnaMarie said...

The only thing that is an obvious error in your post is that with a Flickr free account, the highest resolution photo you can have is the size this one is. It cannot exceed that size, no matter how large the original file, so Flickr does the resizing and therefore, your point #7 is incorrect. I agree with your ideas, I just want to be sure all of the evidence is irrefutable. Your point #8 is interesting in that when the photo was uploaded and captioned, it is a correct caption, but why would the man have been at the photoshoot if he was not yet the press secretary?

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