Wednesday, July 15, 2009

More on... Who are these Folks?

Earlier today, I posted several screen shots of people meeting with Sarah Palin in her office that we are trying to identify? Why? Because we'd like to date the meeting.

Here's the background. Last winter, as we reviewed myriad videos, we noticed a brief segment in a Canadian Broadcast Company report that they had done on Palin - and quite explicitly - the Trig baby question way way back on September 3rd. I had watched the video countless times back in September of '08, as my investigation was just beginning but I had not watched it, as of last winter, in months.

However, as we were going through old material looking for something - anything - we might have missed, the segment jumped out at us, because we realized that Gov. Palin was wearing what we had come to call "scarf chic," her standard "pregnancy" uniform, yet it was footage we had never analyzed or dated. We were pretty sure it had to be from 2008, due to the star in the window (indicating that she has a child in service) because Track had not yet enlisted in the winter of 2007. It's also her office in Juneau - we're sure about that. But when during that winter?

Here's the CBC segment. The entire thing is worth watching - it's uncanny how the questions about Trig's birth were laid out so fully by the CBC back on September 3rd. However, the footage we were interested in is roughly between 2:10 and 2:20.

Here are some screen shots from this footage:

This is from the 2:11 point in the video. Note that the furniture behind her is visible between her jacket and her scarf.

Here's another shot:

Again, it's clear there's no sign of impending motherhood here.

Unfortunately, we were never able to date this footage from available sources, and it got pushed to the back burner.

Until today. Why? Well, footage from the same date turned up very prominently at the beginning of Keith Olbermann's segment on Sarah Palin last night.

Now, this struck me as odd. A curious choice to say the least. Why would a network, with access to literally hundreds of hours of stock footage of Gov. Palin from the election and since, as part of a major segment on a major show (Countdown with Keith Olbermann) use obscure and outdated footage of her from another network? And place it quite prominently IN the show? I don't have an answer. But to say that I find it intriguing is an understatement.

Here's a screen grab from this footage:

I think it should be obvious to everyone why we'd like to date this meeting.


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vera city said...

Wayofpeace and Ivyfree, before I talk about the word salad I want to address some other points that came up. KaJo, I understand your desire to be quoted correctly. In this case, it highlights the confusion between the two words psychopath and sociopath. It is one of the most frequent questions I am asked. The two words are interchangeable and mean the same thing - almost. The difference, in current use, is the belief of the person using each term on what causes the disorder. Dr. Hare explains:

"In many cases the choice of term reflects the user's views on the origins and determinants of the clinical syndrome or disorder described in this book [Without Conscience]. Thus, some clinicians and researchers - as well as most sociologists and criminologists - who believe that the syndrome is forged entirely by social forces and early experiences prefer the term sociopath, whereas those - including this writer - who feel that psychological, biological, and genetic factors also contribute to the development of the syndrome generally use the term psychopath. The same individual therefore could be diagnosed as a sociopath by one expert and as a psychopath by another."

That was written in 1993: the body of solid research showing significant genetic and biological differences between people on the psychopathic spectrum and the general population has grown substantially since then. When KaJo wrote sociopath, I also switched it to the term I use which is psychopath.

Joe Christmas, if you read what I wrote carefully, you will notice that I did not call SP a psychopath. I stated that she is high on the Psychopathic Checklist. I tend to err on the cautious side when I am looking at an individual. The checklist is a spectrum with a threshold that can be crossed at any period in the person's life to get the diagnosis of psychopath. It was developed by studying male convicts so the diagnosis is weighted to their behaviour. Researchers, however, found that there are important gender differences on how the traits manifest in women. For example: women will display more aggressive, controlling and abusive behaviour towards family members, partners and people close to them, such as ex in-laws, while males will strike out towards strangers as well. Men are also more likely to use physical aggression while the women tend to use psychological manipulation. Because the women's behaviour is more often directed towards people they know, it is less reported and less noticed by others. (After all, it was only SP's ambition to play on the big stage that brought her and her behaviour to our attention.) Because of these and other factors, the threshold for a woman to cross to be a psychopath is actually lower than it is for men.

Where people can quibble if SP passes the threshold or not, it is a strong position to argue that she scores high on the checklist. It is not a binary diagnosis that a person is either a psychopath or not a psychopath. It is a scale where those who fall just below the threshold can do incredible damage and their suitability to hold public office or parent should be seriously questioned.

Joe, you made a good call when you pointed out SP's obliviousness to Trig's tears. It is the complete lack of empathy and concern for the feelings of others that defines the faulty wiring of this disorder.

vera city said...

A few starting points on SP's word salads. Keep her in mind as you read these passages from Hare:

"...pathological lying and manipulation are not restricted to psychopaths. What makes psychopaths different from all others is the remarkable ease with which they lie, the pervasiveness of their deception, and the callousness with which they carry it out. But there is something else about the speech patterns of psychopaths that is equally puzzling: their frequent use of contradictory and logically inconsistent statements that usually escape detection. Recent research on the language of psychopaths provides us with some important clues to this puzzle, as well as to the uncanny ability psychopaths have to move words - and people - around so easily."

"Think about this for a moment - not only lies but several contradictory statements in the same breath. Very perplexing. It is as if psychopaths sometimes have difficulty in monitoring their own speech, and they let loose with a convoluted barrage of poorly connected words and thoughts. Psychopaths also sometimes put words together in strange ways."

More soon.

MrsTarquinBiscuitbarrel said...

Oh janie sandy, I feel badly for you! I'm leaving the country for a week tomorrow--I can't believe it!--and I joked to my youngest son that he can go a whole week without hearing one peep from the amen corner over here about $arah Palin, how 'bout that? And he said tactfully, "Well, it will be... different." Bless him.

AKPetMom said...

Actually the truck in front of the Gov Mansion is from World Wide Movers. Not sure if the boxes that you speak of in the capital photos are same, but this is definitely a moving company and not a trash hauler.

Jen said...

All the questions about her sanity reminded me of the recent Medicaid chaos in Alaska:

The Health and Social Services Commissioner in charge of that Medicad chaos is Bill Hogan. Bill Hogan used to run a mental health clinic in ...... Wasilla

I'm just sayin'.


KaJo said...

Thanks, Amy1 (9:37 AM).




I think... :)

pearlygirl said...

Perhaps this quote will help explain things.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei
astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

Trust me, when the truth does come out, everyone will agree that they "knew" all along because it was so "obvious"

This ties into my next comment---Jeanette, I've been with with blog since it's inception and NEVER believed that Palin was pregnant. My comment about not harping on small "risks" during a pregnancy like dying one's hair was meant to say to stop focusing on minor risks that a real pregnant woman "should not" but might actually take as proof that Palin wasn't pregnant---it's not strong enough. However, I don't know ANY pregnant woman who would even consider the risk of the wild ride even with a healthy pregnancy. That's what started most of us calling BS.

Way of peace: the sad part about the multicolored edit of her speech in VF is that she was a journalism major---isn't that on par with English majors as far as requiring "reasonable" writing skills? Maybe she should get her money back from all 5 universities!

To the rest: keep up the good work. You're all awesome!

Joe Christmas said...

KaJo, vera city, and Amy1..I'm glad my ill-begotten statements have inspired y'all, because assuredly it was nothing personal. Our friend, serendipidity, and awe on my part as to your work and diligence.
I especially appreciate the sub-threshold concept. So now a bunch of questions, vera, as we all anxiously await the speech salad analysis of this psycho/sociopath (NPD on steroids?)LOL :).
1. How about a little folie a deaux action? (Two nuts in orbit with each other, for the uninitiated.) Look at the the 1st dud -- my favorite two lines -- 1. He needed to be a fish picker and 2. Him and a few buddies built the house.
(n.b., a small rant, when? between racing, working, being a housefrau, hunting, getting his vasectomy, and travelling like a bedouin? Has anyone ever done just an addition? There is no greater challenge to a marriage and I doubt he is some idiot savant with a hammer and nails. Is there a even a Home Depot in Wasilla?)
But seriously, these two have to spin parasitically with each other.
2. How about her hyper religiosity? That is always a clue for me, even though it seems to be getting downplayed lately.
3. How about the utter lack of humor. Or is this just a reflection of her simpleton intellect?
4.As to CBJ, can she, too, be a .....path. This expert on sexual abuse, maybe reaction formation?
She is a tough nut to crack, though, as she probably knows the deal and has been party to a brilliant legal maneuver, i.e. her pre-election letter. Yet she clearly is deft at medicolegal, non-incriminating verbage. I found something in her bio about "secrets....surprises..secrets...secrets"

(on page 4)

So keep it comin'
Ever respectful, JC

B said...


This website and blog are full of evidence of Bristol having TriG. Whether it is admissable, hearsay, convincing, inconclusive, etc. is a different matter -- but it is evidence. You know that.

You are also wrong that all any of us can say is that Bristol might have had TriG in mid-January. She might have had TriPP in mid-January. She might have had TriG in February or March. The only support for either boy's birthdate is "Sarah said so." Sarah lies.

When Palin resigned and the MSM began obsessing over her again, I realized that I knew more about her and her family than many reporters and talking heads. And I know little compared to Audrey and her helpers and many regulars here and the Alaska bloggers. Most people outside of PD know little about Palin.

So the reason that we PD'ers are the only ones who dismiss your Willow theory could be because we are the ones who have followed Babygate and the many photos and missing photos and the calendars and the travel reports. Unlike most people, we actually know something about Bristol and Willow.

You haven't been laughed out of this room. Commenters often say they don't agree with you, but who has ridiculed you? Projection?

You may be right about Willow. Or others may be right about Track's girlfriend or Sarah's sister. Time will tell, I hope.

Joe Christmas said...

KaJo, vera city, Amy1..I hope my ill-begotten comments have only inspired and encouraged you, rest assured, my intentions are not personal. Great stuff, vera, as we all anxiously await your word salad analysis, a few questions I thought of:
1. What about the folie-a-deux nature of Spalin and the 1st dud? My favorites of his, "he needs to be a fish picker" and he "and a few buddies" built that house.
(n.b., a rant -- when did he have time to build a house between racing, working on the oil rig, being a housefrau, getting a vasectomy, hunting, fishing, and travelling like a bedouin? Are there even any Home Depots in Wasilla? Even doing a simple addition is a true marriage stress test, and he is some idiot savant with a hammer?)
Seriously though I think these two are parasitically linked.
2. What of her hyper religiosity? even though it has been downplayed lately. This is always a clue to me. I thought the witch exorcism video was revolting.
3. How about her utter lack of humor? Or do you think this is just a reflection of her simpleton intellect?
4. As to CBJ, perhaps she, too, is a psycho/sociopath? (Or NPD+, just kidding). Her interest in sexual abuse, maybe just be reaction formation? Although, anybody who starts a Sexual Assault Examiner Program earns some points with me.
She is going to be a tough nut to crack, though, as she probably is aware of the deal, yet is adept at medicolegal, non-incriminatory language. The pre-election letter implicates her, as far as I am concerned, although I've always appreciated the brilliant legal timing and maneuver. Further disconcerting is page 4 of the following link to her bio.. "...secrets..secrets..surprises..secrets"

So keep it comin'
Ever Respectful,

nilap said...

Here's a picture from march 28 on rep holmes photo gallery.

the back of sp's jacket doesn't seem to drape right but changing the contrast didn't seem to give any new data. Just another example of trig getting squished.

I haven't been able to find any info re the date of the CBC filming. I'm about ready to give up on it. Seems the CBC would answer

wayofpeace said...

WASH-POST: Palin Favorability Rating Dips As She Nears Exit, Poll Finds

As Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin prepares for the next stage of her political career, a majority of Americans hold an unfavorable view of her, and there is broad public doubt about her leadership skills and understanding of complex issues, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll....

Overall, the new poll found that 53 percent of Americans view Palin negatively and 40 percent see her in positive terms, her lowest level in Post-ABC polling since she first appeared on the national stage last summer as Sen. John McCain's running mate..... her support within the GOP has deteriorated from its pre-election levels, including a sharp drop in the number holding "strongly favorable" impressions of her... 57 percent of Americans say she does not understand complex issues, while 37 percent think she does, a nine-percentage-point drop ... The biggest decline on the question came among Republicans, nearly four in 10 of whom now say she does not understand complex issues....

"She just, to me, lacks substance and dedication," poll respondent Barbara Jamison said ... added that Palin "strikes me as being more interested in celebrity than in actually doing political work."

KaJo said...

onething said July 22, 2009 11:44 PM...Kajo, I think you have improved them but they are still too small and dark for me. can they be made lighter?

Here ya go, onething -- lightened and added a bit of contrast -- larger too (I just noticed the automatic sizing option on Photobucket).

I hope this helps.

P.S. for anyone who's gone back to my original comment July 22 @ 3:14 PM and clicked on that link -- it's broken -- I had to delete the smaller picture because both sizes had the same name, and I'd already uploaded the second one without noticing that :)

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